HELL IN JAMAICA!

[redstar2000]

When you have a teenager on the rampage, who are you going to turn to? In America, parents send their troubled offspring to Jamaica's Tranquility Bay - a 'behaviour-modification centre' which charges $40,000 a year to 'cure' them. Decca Aitkenhead, the first journalist to gain access to the centre in five years, wonders if there isn't too high a price to pay.

Part One (http://education.guardian.co.uk/classroomviolence/story/0,12388,987932,00.html)

Part Two (http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine/story/0,11913,987168,00.html)

You may not want to actually read this...but every teen should know about this shithole.

In fact, this story should be spread all over the internet.

The only tactic I can suggest is that if they come for you at four in the morning, cuff you, and take you to an airport, scream your fucking head off! Let everyone in the airport and on the plane itself know that you're being kidnapped!

It's your last chance.

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[synthesis]

Christ. It's like 1984 except you don't get shot after you're through with it.

[Invader Zim]

That is fucking sick....

OMG, how can they be allowd to get away with that shit?

Something is very wrong.

[Guerilla22]

They have places like that in Mexcio also. Why any parent would send their kid to a boot camp in a third world nation is beyond me.

[Eastside Revolt]

That happened to someone my sister knew. Only they took her to a place in the states I can't remember where. She escaped, and her parents freaked-out about it she ended-up being found again somewhere in the praries. It was all over Vancouver newspapers.

The really scary thing to me was that most people didn't question her parents for sending her (basically) to prison. Just because she was a heroine addict.

[gummo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 07:42 PM
That happened to someone my sister knew. Only they took her to a place in the states I can't remember where. She escaped, and her parents freaked-out about it she ended-up being found again somewhere in the praries. It was all over Vancouver newspapers.

The really scary thing to me was that most people didn't question her parents for sending her (basically) to prison. Just because she was a heroine addict.
It sounds like you are trying to make heroine look harmless. Two of my close friends from child hood died of heroine overdoses. I would take drastic measures if my kid was into heroine.

[Raisa]

Thats rediculous. The reasons parents sent their kids there didnt seem worth it. "sleeping around" "doing drugs" "hanging out with the wrong crowd"

its a place for ritch parents who cant raise their kids!

[DaCuBaN]

It's a place for rich incompetents to send those who have refuted their authority

They should've been sterilised.

Drastic I know, but I get really pissed off when people do things like this and pretend it's in their best interest.


It sounds like you are trying to make heroine look harmless. Two of my close friends from child hood died of heroine overdoses. I would take drastic measures if my kid was into heroine

I once woke up in a mates flat to find him blue and cold - he'd been on a small amount of smack and heavy on the coke, all mixed in with a little valium and had died whilst I slept in the other room. This doesn't mean I would ever condone sending anyone to such a shithole regardless what 'crime' you believe someone has commited, or if that they would benefit from such immoral treatment.

The people involved here are individuals that have made a life-choice. You have no right to force them into any other way of thought/action.

*EDIT*


Why any parent would send their kid to a boot camp [...] is beyond me

Exactly. To me, nothing would make me happier than for my kid when he's old enough to come to me, call me an idiot, try to attack me then bugger off and do his own thing

I'd know I'd raised him correctly as a free-thinking individual.

[Anarchist Freedom]

fuckin sick if i was there i would spend the whole time in OP i dont care how long it took i would spend the whole fuckin time.

also there was kid who had this happen to him because he was a leftists it was fuckin sick dude i mean fuckin sick he has been there for 8 months and his parents wont let him come home till he reforms. if i got stuck there as they picked me up i would have a baseball bat next to my bed which i do i would grab it and start swinging and i would run for all hell to a friends house and just go for as long as i can.



:che:



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[DaCuBaN]

If in my youth I had been sent somewhere like that, I'd quite simply have played along. They use extreme force to get the end result. So make like you're in on the game, be polite and courteous, and you'll be home in a blink.

Then revert to old ways. ;)

[Anarchist Freedom]

check out these pics they may not seem like much but these kids dont seem happy its really sad.


http://www.tranquilitybay.org/students.php?id=1

[The Children of the Revolution]

Disturbing...



[From the article]

... Other students were sent here for wearing inappropriate clothes, using bad language, or hanging around with the wrong sort of friends.


Ridiculous! As people have said, these are "lifestyle choices"! Ok, so the parents might not approve of their son "wearing inappropriate clothes"... So what? It's not as if it's their decision to make!



[From the article]

Messy divorce and remarriage are the norm among these parents. Their expectations of loyalty from their children, though, suggest a gilt-edged ideal of American family life so brittle any rebellion or defiance is literally terrifying. This culture then creates its own logic - for once adolescence is criminalised, Tranquility becomes the obvious solution.


Interesting... Marx and Engels, of course, advocated the abolition of the family unit... I suppose this is one reason why?!?



[From the article]

But if they hadn't been dead, they would have been poor, a destiny they have been taught to consider more or less the same thing.

'I'd probably be living with a drug dealer or something awful like that,' speculates a girl. 'And going nowhere. Not being successful.'


Absurd! The owner of the institution has taken it upon himself to demonise the poor and the homeless; (this receives a mention, too) this is basically political indoctrination, as well as the obvious social manipulation! :o



[From the article]

The US legal system has more or less agreed that they are right. In a crucial 1998 test case, a Californian court ruled that a parent had the legal right to send a child to Tranquility. Parental choice was sacrosanct.


Hmmm... That sums it all up really! I blame the parents!

[Victor-Meunier]

Is that authorized to defend yourself ? I mean I read the article and it's mentionned nowhere if I can like...hit the guards with something to try to escape or claim wanting to go home before achieving the latters without fearing consequences ? :unsure:

Because dude it must be the only way to escape this hell !

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

my mind draws a blank every time I think about this. There are two ways you can deal with it: resist every inch of the way like Redstar suggests, or try the Dacuban's charm offensive.

The best thing we can do is smash these places and burn them to the ground.

At least in boot camp you more or less chose to be there and know what goes on.

[DaCuBaN]

The best thing we can do is smash these places and burn them to the ground

I'm game.
Places such as this should not exist, but as they do I would take great pleasure in burning them to the ground should the shackles ever be thrown off.

[redstar2000]

I have been giving some thought to this matter, but "brilliant insight" continues to elude me.

Here are some rather mundane suggestions.

If you think your parents might pull some shit like this...

1. Watch their mail.

2. Check the history on their computers; see where they've been browsing.

3. Lock your door from the inside when you sleep; if there's no lock, stuff a bath towel under the door. Sleep during daylight hours if possible.

4. It occurred to me that in order to prevent public disturbances, they may drug you or even give your parents a drug to slip into your coffee or soft drink "the night before". Therefore, be suspicious of unusual offers of food or drink at odd times. If you are drugged, ride it out and prepare to make a huge outcry in the Kingston airport terminal.

A Struggle Against Those Shitholes

If you are part of a young radical group, this might be a good issue to consider working on.

1. Reprint the Guardian story in full and distribute it widely...especially at internet sites where kids hang out.

2. Write nasty letters to the Jamaican Government...lots of them.

3. Write letters to "Human Rights" groups...demand that they investigate!

4. If you live in a city with a Jamaican Embassy, picket the bastards!

The fascist turds in charge of places like this "bring out the Stalinist in me" -- whenever it becomes possible to do so, I think they richly deserve summary execution.

As to the parents, I think we should let the kids decide on their penalties.

:redstar2000:

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[gummo]

Originally posted by Socialist [email protected] 8 2004, 02:56 AM
check out these pics they may not seem like much but these kids dont seem happy its really sad.


http://www.tranquilitybay.org/students.php?id=1
Go find some pictures of a military type boot camp for kids. Then tell me which one you think is more appropriate.

[TheProletariatWillRise]

That's disgusting...I read an article somewhere about a place like that that was in the States. I wonder if the parents know about everything that goes on there, like OP, because anyone who would send their child to a place like that, knowing the abuse that takes place, is just plain sick. I'm surprised a Human Rights group hasn't looked into that yet. Maybe they have, though. I might write to Amnesty International about this.

[Take the Power back]

I posted this on another forum I am a member of. It's a bass guitar forum, but it has a large member age ratio, and has around 25,000 members. Help get the word out.

[commie kg]

Yeah, this is disgusting. I read about it awhile back.

Especially the part describing how the guards come tell you to "take off your watch." That apparently means "Get ready to have the shit beaten out of you."

And the one chick who was sent there because her parents didn't like her boyfriend... Sick. She was headed for HARVARD, and her parents fucked over her whole life because they didn't like her boyfriend.

And you know all the girls are being raped by the guards.

[Daymare17]

I don't think staying in OP for infinity is a good tactic - it doesn't help, you don't get out, you just grow old. No matter what people say, no human being can withstand infinite torture. The only justification for openly defying authority at any time, is the propaganda value. Here, the propaganda value is nil. You won't become a martyr, you'll only impress and amuse the guards.

The Trotskyists in Siberia organized hunger strikes among the prisoners, but that was mostly because there was no chance of getting out. Here, there is a chance. I think that someone enslaved in this place should obey 100%, to get out as fast as possible, and then spread the word.

[CubanFox]

I don't believe the Jamaican government should be blamed for this. Imagine the rates that this twisted little camp pays to Kingston. A poor country needs that money.

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2004, 09:55 PM
I don't believe the Jamaican government should be blamed for this. Imagine the rates that this twisted little camp pays to Kingston. A poor country needs that money.
The turds who run the Jamaican government are not "poor".

:redstar2000:

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[refuse_resist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2004, 08:23 PM

I'm game.
Places such as this should not exist, but as they do I would take great pleasure in burning them to the ground should the shackles ever be thrown off.
Damn straight. :D

[revolutionindia]

We need more such centre's to treat people who do drugs,want to have sex in public and then sex with children etcetcetc

The only viable long term solution to bring these retarted people back to their senses

Better to send the scum of society to these centre's than Jail

though the treatemnt meted out could be toned down a little


Just because she was a heroine addict.

What do you mean by this?
Just because??

The treratment she gets in that teen factory may save
her life some day

Don't you understand the gravity of the situation that requires such drastic measures

Extraordinary times calls for extraordinary measures

[synthesis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2004, 11:36 PM
We need more such centre's to treat people who do drugs,want to have sex in public and then sex with children etcetcetc
That is one of the most "Stalinist" things I've ever heard anyone say.

[revolutionindia]

Hi Dyermaker
No pornographic pictures this time?

[synthesis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2004, 11:50 PM
Hi Dyermaker
No pornographic pictures this time?
You must be confusing me with somebody else. I haven't posted any porn since that time with the farm animals and the thumbscrews (I don't really want to discuss that right now) unless there's something I'm forgetting.

[revolutionindia]

What about this

Ugly nude guy who is stoned (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=26110)

I found this offensive and in bad taste

Don't be suprised if you end up in one of those teen factories.

Get well soon!!

[synthesis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 12:00 AM
What about this

Ugly nude guy who is stoned (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=26110)

I found this offensive and in bad taste

Are you joking? That's John Lennon and Yoko Ono.

Beatles? Ever heard of them?

Hardly porn, regardless. It's quite clearly artistic.

[revolutionindia]

What does John Lennon get by being photographed nude?

And what do you achive by viewing him nude?

[synthesis]

Perhaps it's supposed to represent their complete love for one another, or a modern view of society, or something like that. Look at the piles of clothes on the floor and how it all fades into the wall. I don't know what it was created to represent, John died with that knowledge. That's the great thing about eisegesis.

What do I achieve? In a thread about drug taking, when requested (as a joke) to post a picture after proclaiming myself naked with a female friend, I provided a picture of two famous naked people, one of whom being renowned for his drug intake, because because I felt it was appropriate for the circumstances.

This is, of course, a rampant hijack of this thread, and I would request that you PM me if you wish to discuss it further.

[revolutionindia]

Perhaps it's supposed to represent their complete love for one another, or a modern view of society, or something like that. Look at the piles of clothes on the floor and how it all fades into the wall. I don't know what it was created to represent, John died with that knowledge. That's the great thing about eisegesis.

If they loved each ,How does being photographed nude prove it

To me being photographed nude serves no meaningful productive purpose

In all likely hood lennon was so stoned he did not know if he was
nude or not

Yoko ono probably wanted 60 seconds of fame for being photographed with
John lennon nude

John Lennon slept with probably many women,

He got tired of all this shit in the end and experimented with that
Fake Indian Guru(What s his name?)



What do I achieve? In a thread about drug taking, when requested (as a joke) to post a picture after proclaiming myself naked with a female friend, I provided a picture of two famous naked people, one of whom being renowned for his drug intake, because because I felt it was appropriate for the circumstances.

This is, of course, a rampant hijack of this thread, and I would request that you PM me if you wish to discuss it further


When I said what you achieve

What I meant was why would anyone want to see another person's nude body
if not for sexual arousment?
Calling it art is just another way of soft selling porn

This would definately classify as Burgeiose Excesses

I'm sure redstar would'nt mind us chattering on his thread
He is such a sweet guy :rolleyes:

[CubanFox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 04:36 PM
We need more such centre's to treat people who do drugs,want to have sex in public and then sex with children etcetcetc

The only viable long term solution to bring these retarted people back to their senses

Better to send the scum of society to these centre's than Jail

though the treatemnt meted out could be toned down a little



What do you mean by this?
Just because??

The treratment she gets in that teen factory may save
her life some day

Don't you understand the gravity of the situation that requires such drastic measures

Extraordinary times calls for extraordinary measures
History has proved that locking the "scum of society" in prison camps doesn't fix anything. They get out, write books, and wreck your government's international reputation. Look at Mr Solzhenitsyn.

And on top of that, it's obscene.

So you have a grand vision of society where everyone fits your mould of being perfect and "unperverse". Isn't there a better way of achieving this than putting them in camps?

And about John Lennon and Yoko Ono: that isn't porn. Seriously, it's art. Not my favourite sort, but art nonetheless.

[revolutionindia]

History has proved that locking the "scum of society" in prison camps doesn't fix anything. They get out, write books, and wreck your government's international reputation. Look at Mr Solzhenitsyn.
[QUOTE

And on top of that, it's obscene.


This will only serve as a small step towards solving the ills of society

The problems lie with the parents
they have failed

We should also start a factory in Jamaica where these parents can be
sent to where they are taought the art of good parenting

slowly we will get to the root of all problems

So you have a grand vision of society where everyone fits your mould of being perfect and "unperverse". Isn't there a better way of achieving this than putting them in camps?

And about John Lennon and Yoko Ono: that isn't porn. Seriously, it's art. Not my favourite sort, but art nonetheless.
[/QUOTE]

Society as a whole can come to a general conclusion as to what
is perfect and unperverse

There are better ways but this should be tried as a last resort
It should be tried with druggies,people who exhibit perverted sexual behaviour
and the like

Calling it Art is soft selling Pornography-which is an unrequired excess present in
society

[cormacobear]

I wrote them a letter asking them what's to prevent my child from sueing me for violating his rights. I can't wait to read the answer from these sick bastards.

It's brainwashing, the description of the place is quite retiscent of a number of P.O.W. camps i've investigated. You'd think it would be hard to find places like this outside of Nazi Germany circa. 1940.

I find it so depraved while I rarely condone violence, I wouldn't object to a militant action against a place like this, designed in all perversion to brainwash, and break the free will of children. it's sick.

I'm going to post the stories web site all over the University area.
I think I'll go with

'Kidnapped Children Being Tortured and Brainwashed by Fascists'

That aught to get peoples attention.

This seems like a good test of the internets effectiveness as a subversive tool.
I wonder if all of Che-lives members were to dveote themselves to one issue like this at a time what kind of impact it would have.

[cormacobear]

And yes I think the Gov't of Jamaica needs to be held accountable if perents fail to protect a childs rights, then who's job is it, if not the gov't's.

Money raised by enslavement should not ber money desired by the people of kingston.

[CubanFox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 06:40 PM

Society as a whole can come to a general conclusion as to what
is perfect and unperverse

There are better ways but this should be tried as a last resort
It should be tried with druggies,people who exhibit perverted sexual behaviour
and the like

Calling it Art is soft selling Pornography-which is an unrequired excess present in
society

Well, it worked for Hitler. Sending all the "sexually perverse", Jewish or otherwise "unacceptable" elements of society to places like Auschwitz and Treblinka.

Image it, revolutionindia, you could have these who camps that can kill hundreds of them by the hour! And an amazing rail network to shuttle them in from all over the world!

Won't it be just grand?

http://www.jimtardio.com/germany-dachau-entrance.jpg

[revolutionindia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 02:27 PM

Well, it worked for Hitler. Sending all the "sexually perverse", Jewish or otherwise "unacceptable" elements of society to places like Auschwitz and Treblinka.

Image it, revolutionindia, you could have these who camps that can kill hundreds of them by the hour! And an amazing rail network to shuttle them in from all over the world!

Won't it be just grand?

http://www.jimtardio.com/germany-dachau-entrance.jpg
Well....
I'm sure if hitler was sent to the teen factory in Jamaica,He wouldn't
be so retarted
things would have turned out different

No one's talking about killing anyone,what we are talking is
about modifying anti-social behaviour in the interests of the
people themselves and society as a whole

Once rehabitalated they would live in society again as equals

[CubanFox]

That's exactly what Hitler said. Sure, we'll let them live.

Then a few years later he decided to implement the Final Solution.

But back to Jamaica.

Do you seriously think these camps will work?

The people sent to them will be enraged that their parents shipped them off to some dump in Jamaica, and they might just be more "perverse" just to get back at their parents.

People hate having their freedom taken away.

[cormacobear]

Carefull Revolutionindia you're showing your true colours. ' Behavior-modification' has been the term used to describe torture by nearly every evil dictator of the last century.

Do you not beleive that children are human beings, and therefore entitled to inherent human rights. If the perants had laid out there child spread-eagled on the floor and twisted their limbs, in the U.S. they would have been prosecuted for child abuse. Alloweing this means that American civil rights do not apply to foreign soil. Therefore any foriegn power can do whatever they like to a U.S. citizen without any legal remuneration. (spend a little time in the law library)

The girl sent there because her perants didn't like her boyfriend reminded me of a news story I just saw.

A woman in Pakistan was beaten by her family and is now serving a ten year sentence for having the audacity to servive the beating.
Wheather the perants do it themselves or let someone else the situation is identicle.
Defending camps like these shows your support for the actions of the fanatical elements of Islam.

[__ca va?]

I'm shocked about seeing people on this forum agree with this kind of treatment!! I thought I was in a leftist forum, not a fascist one! Haven't you seen the photos? Those clothes remind me of the neo-nazis of my city! (Though all photos were taken on one day, fun day, the only day of the year these kids are treated a bit well. ) No one under any conditions should be sent to a place like that! We've got our laws, our courts it's their role to judge! This all thing is lynch-law by the parents.

Revolutionindia, what do you consider yourself? (Lets not talk about what others consider you) A leftist?

[CubanFox]

Originally posted by __ca [email protected] 25 2004, 08:36 PM
I'm shocked about seeing people on this forum agree with this kind of treatment!! I thought I was in a leftist forum, not a fascist one! Haven't you seen the photos? Those clothes remind me of the neo-nazis of my city! (Though all photos were taken on one day, fun day, the only day of the year these kids are treated a bit well. ) No one under any conditions should be sent to a place like that! We've got our laws, our courts it's their role to judge! This all thing is lynch-law by the parents.

Revolutionindia, what do you consider yourself? (Lets not talk about what others consider you) A leftist?
Ca Va, this forum is the little cage in which the fascists are locked in. You should expect this sort of filth here.

[revolutionindia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 02:58 PM
Carefull Revolutionindia you're showing your true colours. ' Behavior-modification' has been the term used to describe torture by nearly every evil dictator of the last century.

Do you not beleive that children are human beings, and therefore entitled to inherent human rights. If the perants had laid out there child spread-eagled on the floor and twisted their limbs, in the U.S. they would have been prosecuted for child abuse. Alloweing this means that American civil rights do not apply to foreign soil. Therefore any foriegn power can do whatever they like to a U.S. citizen without any legal remuneration. (spend a little time in the law library)

The girl sent there because her perants didn't like her boyfriend reminded me of a news story I just saw.

A woman in Pakistan was beaten by her family and is now serving a ten year sentence for having the audacity to servive the beating.
Wheather the perants do it themselves or let someone else the situation is identicle.
Defending camps like these shows your support for the actions of the fanatical elements of Islam.
What's wrong with Behaviour modification
When I say behaviour modification I mean it literally and
what some dictator did calling it behavour modification is
not what I meant

Also I said it should be used as a last resort
and only in extreme cases of drug absuses
and not for childhood infatuation etc

I don't know what your talking about kids being twisted
Is it in the teen factory?

Women in pakistan are treated worse than shit
and something needs to be done about it

but what was the purpose of beating her?

I think the parents should be sent to
an parent factory.

Physical abuses so not serve any purpose in Behaviour modification

What makes you think I support this?

What 's the relation between fanatical Islam and these teen factories?

Infact,
I have a big fucking problem with Islam
that fucking WAhabbi Movement is spreading all over my country
which promomtes a radical form of Islam

I ain't even a muslim

The main point is
What needs to be done to help people in distress ?
Will you just watch them go up in smoke just because they are
individuals and you think you have no right whatsoever to do anything about it

or

Are you of the view that drugs need to be promoted in society
or think that people should have right to have sexin public places
and have no problem indulging in such activities

[revolutionindia]

Originally posted by __ca [email protected] 25 2004, 04:06 PM
I'm shocked about seeing people on this forum agree with this kind of treatment!! I thought I was in a leftist forum, not a fascist one! Haven't you seen the photos? Those clothes remind me of the neo-nazis of my city! (Though all photos were taken on one day, fun day, the only day of the year these kids are treated a bit well. ) No one under any conditions should be sent to a place like that! We've got our laws, our courts it's their role to judge! This all thing is lynch-law by the parents.

Revolutionindia, what do you consider yourself? (Lets not talk about what others consider you) A leftist?
I'm not sure if I you can call me a leftist

But on che-lives.com

Gifted individuals whose ideas are way ahead of the times are
put in a special forum for enhanced discussion called
Opposing Ideologies

We are given a special group called Restricted Members
While you are just a member
(Look undre your Avatar)

BTW: You won't find any real communists here
Most of the guys here have serious drug problems
and when they are not stoned they are fighting for
paeodophile rights to have sex with consent with children

[CubanFox]

"Restricted member" isn't a mark of respect, my friend.

And for the record, I've never taken, nor will I ever take, drugs.

[revolutionindia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 02:42 PM
That's exactly what Hitler said. Sure, we'll let them live.

Then a few years later he decided to implement the Final Solution.

But back to Jamaica.

Do you seriously think these camps will work?

The people sent to them will be enraged that their parents shipped them off to some dump in Jamaica, and they might just be more "perverse" just to get back at their parents.

People hate having their freedom taken away.
Hitler was retarted and there is nothing I can do about it

Like I said again this should be used as a last resort
When all else has failed

Also I said this should be use as an alternative to sending Juvenile's to
prison.

These camps may or may not work
But there is no harm in trying

The people sent to them will be grateful that their parents shipped them off to
Jamaica,and now they live as better individuals cured of their anti-social behaviour
and will learn to appreciate the freedom they now enjoy and the responsibility they
carry towards society

[revolutionindia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 05:19 PM
"Restricted member" isn't a mark of respect, my friend.

And for the record, I've never taken, nor will I ever take, drugs.
That was a joke?
I know that we are considered the scum of the forum

Congratulations
you are the first commie who I have met on this site who
does not do drugs

So, Do you have a problem with other people doing drugs or
you think its none of your business?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

There is nothing wrong with having an addiction. It is only prohibition that 'ruins people's lives'


The people sent to them will be grateful that their parents shipped them off to
Jamaica,and now they live as better individuals cured of their anti-social behaviour
and will learn to appreciate the freedom they now enjoy and the responsibility they
carry towards society

This sounds like it came straight from the mouth of one George W. Bush.

[revolutionindia]

There is nothing wrong with having an addiction. It is only prohibition that 'ruins people's lives'


do you have any proof for these statements



This sounds like it came straight from the mouth of one George W. Bush


:lol: :lol: :) <_<

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

You want proof eh? Just try smoking a little weed in the good ol&#39; US of A and you&#39;&#39;ll get a warm welcome from your fellow inmates =D

[revolutionindia]

how does smoking weed make you a better person?

Will doing drugs ensure every hungry man on this planet will
get 1 meal a day ?

Will drugs ensure women and children don&#39;t get raped?

Will taking Drugs solve the problems created by imperialism?

If you think it will then you should know now that you are stoned
as Hell

Druggies are going on a one way trip to Hell
Happy Journey

[revolutionindia]

Drugs are everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see people who do it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work, when you go to church, when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes, to blind you from the truth. ... you are a slave. Like everyone else you were drugged into bondage, drugged into a prison that you cannot smell or taste or touch. A prison for your mind ... What are drugs? Control. Drugs are a dream world built to keep us under control - Revolutionindia(courtesyMorpheous)

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

how does smoking weed make you a better person?

How does reading books make you better person? playing computer games? eating snacks? Playing chess?

Most of us don&#39;t do drugs to make us better people. We do it because it is fun.
Granted some drugs decrease your reaction time, make you inured to pain, or expand your mental capabilities, but that is not the primary reason people take drugs.


Will doing drugs ensure every hungry man on this planet will
get 1 meal a day ?

Will drugs ensure women and children don&#39;t get raped?

Will taking Drugs solve the problems created by imperialism?

No, No, and no. but drugs are not intended to do any of those things.

They are intended for having fun.


Druggies are going on a one way trip to Hell

I thought you were a Hindu, RI. Hell is a Christian concept.
Also, tell me why God created marijuana if not for smoking?

[revolutionindia]

Hell is mere representations of life on earth

You are making your life hell by doing drugs

All those activities that do not contribute directly or indirectly
to progression of Human Race and its current crisis should be
immediately be given up by the people.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

All those activities that do not contribute directly or indirectly
to progression of Human Race and its current crisis should be
immediately be given up by the people.

Oh my, we have an Avakianite on our hands.

Why don&#39;t you join the RCP/MIM, you&#39;d fit right in&#33; :o

[__ca va?]

All those activities that do not contribute directly or indirectly
to progression of Human Race and its current crisis should be
immediately be given up by the people

Nice thought... what do you think about? TV? Or would you put writers, actors and artists in such "camps" because they don&#39;t play an active role in the progress of humanity? Nice idea <_<

You know, in my opinion one can always strive to live as he wants unless he violates the other peoples&#39; right to freedom&#33; I mean when one&#39;s problemed, it&#39;s none of my business. If he asked me to help, I&#39;d try to but I mustn&#39;t do anything against his will. I wouldn&#39;t legalise heavy drugs though, it&#39;s too dangerous and easy to get addicted.

Anyway, a can assure you, I don&#39;t take drugs either.

for more info take a look at my signature

[redstar2000]

The main point is

What needs to be done to help people in distress?

Will you just watch them go up in smoke just because they are individuals and you think you have no right whatsoever to do anything about it?

or

Are you of the view that drugs need to be promoted in society or think that people should have right to have sex in public places and have no problem indulging in such activities?

Let me get this straight. The choice is confinement and torture or drugs and sex, right?

Ok, I&#39;ll pick drugs and sex.

Any other questions?

:redstar2000:

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[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I wouldn&#39;t legalise heavy drugs though, it&#39;s too dangerous and easy to get addicted.

Why not? even addicts to &#39;heavy&#39; drugs can function normally when they have a ready supply of their drug.

[__ca va?]

Why not? even addicts to &#39;heavy&#39; drugs can function normally when they have a ready supply of their drug.

But if they are already addicted and get to a supply they can easily mistake the amount of drug to take in. This can lead to overdosing and death. Also, if someone tries heroin, for example he can get addicted and he can&#39;t give it up even if he wanted to.

So I could sum this up like: tries--&#62;likes it--&#62;gets more--&#62;gets addicted--&#62;loses ability of judgement--&#62;dies

Of course, the final part is not always death, some people can realize it that they have to give it up.
So that&#39;s my problem. It takes too little time to get addicted. If you were a politician and you legalized &#39;heavy&#39; (is this the correct word?) drugs, would you forgive it for yourself if many people died because of this?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

easily mistake the amount of drug to take in. This can lead to overdosing and death.

This is why all drugs should legalised, so that proper information about them is produced and quality control can be enforced.

If people know that they could get addicted and/or die by taking a drug, and go on to do so anyway, they are making an informed decision.

And if they want to stop being addicted they should get the help they want.

Simple as.

[CubanFox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 12:42 AM

This is why all drugs should legalised, so that proper information about them is produced and quality control can be enforced.

If people know that they could get addicted and/or die by taking a drug, and go on to do so anyway, they are making an informed decision.

And if they want to stop being addicted they should get the help they want.

Simple as.
That&#39;s actually an almost uncounterable reason for drug legalisation: it basically makes both the users and the detractors of narcotics happy. The availibility and safety margins both broadened immeasurably.

Good job, NoXion.

[__ca va?]

I don&#39;t know if people would care about proper information. Do you always read the information sheet given with aspirin and etc?

I don&#39;t think it would solve the problem, jus see what happened what&#39;s with smoking: even though there are even little stickers on the boxes reading &#39;smoking causes cancer&#39; and things like that, people won&#39;t give it up. And smoking is way less dangerous than heavy drugs.

Still, this topic is not about drugs.

[revolutionindia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 06:55 PM

Let me get this straight. The choice is confinement and torture or drugs and sex, right?

Ok, I&#39;ll pick drugs and sex.

Any other questions?

:redstar2000:

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A site about communist ideas
Ya Redstar I heard you are 72 years old
then what are you doing here on an Internet forum?

I think you would have seen enough of this world
It &#39;s time you renounce this material life.

Take the first plane to India and I will take you to the Real Guru&#39;s
of knowlege who live in the himalayan peaks and there
all your ignorence will be desrtroyed
and there you can learn true knowlegde
not found in books or anywhere else
and move on to a higher plain of existence.

You can become a naga sadhu(A branch of ascetics who believe
clothes should not be worn)
I will be your disciple and we will spread true knowledge in this world

[cormacobear]

Revolutionindia wrote

"I don&#39;t know what your talking about kids being twisted
Is it in the teen factory?"

"However, former students say it is issued more often as a punishment. One explains: &#39;It&#39;s a completely degrading, painful experience. You could get it for raising your voice or pointing your finger. You know you&#39;re going to get it when three Jamaicans walk in and say, "Take off your watch." They pin you down in a five-point formation and that&#39;s when they start twisting and pulling your limbs, grinding your ankles.&#39; ( from the article &#39;The Last Resort&#39; in &#39;Gaurdian Unlimited&#39;)

There are tens of thousands of psychiatrists, hospitals, psych. wards, councilling, treatment, and de-tox centers in the U.S.. Most of wich are grossely underfunded because Jerks like this demand tax cuts so they can afford to have some Jamaican with a grade 12 education beat his children into submission and force feed them ultra right wing brainwashing propganda.
( not that I&#39;m upset by this or anything :angry: )

more than 50% of Canadians have tried marijuana. more than 20% admit to being regular users. our society functions quite well. Drug use has been identified in the first city ever built on earth. If drug use has such a negative influence on the advancement of civilization the last 10,000 years would have been kind of dull.

[cormacobear]

Even they don&#39;t think it&#39;s legal ;)

At 02:32 AM 6/25/2004, you wrote:
Clayton O&#092;&#39;Bear ([email protected]) send the following message to Tranquility Bay ([email protected]) :

What if anything is there to prevent my child from pressing charges, or filing a civil suit against us, after their return or their coming of age, for violating their rights.


Dear Sir,

We would ask you to contact an attorney in your local jurisdiction to find out the answer to your questions. We are not in a position to give legal advice.

Have a great day&#33;
Jay R. Kay

[redstar2000]

Ya Redstar I heard you are 72 years old then what are you doing here on an Internet forum?

Too old for sex and drugs & I needed a hobby.

:redstar2000:

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A site about communist ideas

[dopediana]

how about flower arranging?


honestly, it seems like all the pictures on the tranquility bay site are from special events. jay r. kay sounds like the name of an evil talk show host. some kids are saying horrible stuff about it. some kids say it saved them.

but come on....
what are we to think of a place that pins you down for asking to go to the bathroom and purposefully humiliates you by making you recount painful moments at the price of being placed in OP otherwise?

[dopediana]

it costs 40 grand per year. do you think i could get a scholarship?&#33;

[Urban Rubble]

Too old for sex and drugs & I needed a hobby.

You&#39;re never too old for sex and drugs, are you going senile old boy ?


it costs 40 grand per year. do you think i could get a scholarship?&#33;

I&#39;d love to. I&#39;m sure escape couldn&#39;t be too hard, and after that, it&#39;s nothing but beach, reggae, fruit, and as many joints as I can cram down my lungs.

[dopediana]

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 29 2004, 01:37 AM
I&#39;d love to. I&#39;m sure escape couldn&#39;t be too hard, and after that, it&#39;s nothing but beach, reggae, fruit, and as many joints as I can cram down my lungs.
HAH&#33; you know, one thing i found mildly entertaining about the article was whenever they talked about the employees of the "facilities" they used the word "jamaicans". three jamaicans come and tell you to take your watch off. the jamaicans observe you while you do your schoolwork...


all laughing aside it&#39;s disgusting that correctional centers like those exist.