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Misodoctakleidist
6th June 2004, 18:29
British Telecom has taken the unprecedented step of blocking all illegal child pornography websites in a crackdown on abuse online. The decision by Britain's largest high-speed internet provider will lead to the first mass censorship of the web attempted in a Western democracy.
The move, previously thought to be at the limits of technical possibilities of the internet and prohibitively expensive, was given the personal backing of BT chairman Sir Christopher Bland at a board meeting last month after intense pressure from children's charities.

Known as Cleanfeed, the project has been developed in consultation with the Home Office and will go live by the end of the month, The Observer can reveal. Other major players in the internet market, such as Energis and Thus, which owns rival Demon Internet, are said to be preparing to block banned sites.

Subscribers to British Telecom's internet services such as BTYahoo and BTInternet who attempt to access illegal sites will receive an error message as if the page was unavailable. BT will register the number of attempts but will not be able to record details of those accessing the sites.

A list of illegal sites compiled by the Internet Watch Foundation, the industry's watchdog, has been available for some time, but until now there has been no way to prevent people accessing them because most are based outside the UK.

The initiative would not have been possible a year ago, but improvements in computer processing speeds means that the company is now able to block websites, offensive pages and even individual images of abuse.

The move is the brainchild of John Carr, internet adviser to children's charity NCH, who wrote to Home Office Minister Paul Goggins last July urging action on paedophile websites after a successful campaign to block internet newsgroups (electronic message boards which paedophiles used to share images of children). Goggins approached internet providers last September to ask them to investigate if it would be possible. At first they were resistant, but BT came back to the Home Office last month to announce early tests of Cleanfeed had been successful.

Blocking websites is highly controversial and until now has been associated only with oppressive regimes such as Saudi Arabia and China, which have censored sites associated with dissidents. But many in the field of child protection believe that the explosion of paedophile sites justifies the crackdown.

'British Telecom deserve to be congratulated on this bold move,' Carr said. 'I expect every other service provider will now look at what they are doing to see if they can achieve a similar result.'

Pierre Danon, chief executive of BT Retail, added: 'You are always caught between the desire to tackle child pornography and freedom of information. But I was fed up with not acting on this and always being told that it was techically impossible.'

The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/online/news/0,12597,1232506,00.html)

I don't think anyone will be particularly disappointed about this but does it set a dangerous precedent? I'ts quite worrying that it displays an error as if they web page didn't exist, this would enable BT to censor anythign they like without their customers knowing.

DaCuBaN
6th June 2004, 19:09
Pierre Danon, chief executive of BT Retail, added: 'You are always caught between the desire to tackle child pornography and freedom of information. But I was fed up with not acting on this and always being told that it was techically impossible.'

It's nice to know that techies all over understand that information censorship is absurd.


Subscribers to British Telecom's internet services such as BTYahoo and BTInternet who attempt to access illegal sites will receive an error message as if the page was unavailable. BT will register the number of attempts but will not be able to record details of those accessing the sites

Interesting lie there
Your ISP can currently record every single site you visit if they so choose to - after all every single binar goes through their servers before it reaches you - it's a matter of decoding the strings.


Blocking websites is highly controversial and until now has been associated only with oppressive regimes such as Saudi Arabia and China, which have censored sites associated with dissidents. But many in the field of child protection believe that the explosion of paedophile sites justifies the crackdown

To be honest, I saw this coming. Next we won&#39;t be able to get into Che-Lives of course <_<


&#39;British Telecom deserve to be congratulated on this bold move,&#39; Carr said. &#39;I expect every other service provider will now look at what they are doing to see if they can achieve a similar result.&#39;


As if it wasn&#39;t bad enough that some providers block specific ports&#33;
Personally, I say we should boycott any firm who starts to follow these &#39;censorship&#39; guidelines.

There is certainly no law upholding this - it&#39;s a business decision from the ISP&#39;s

renwan
7th June 2004, 03:49
i applaud that decision, i would shot myself the sick minded people who use kids to take porn pictures, aghhhhhhhhh it makes me sick i would kill them assholes&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;thats the kinda people that should be tortured until they die, it really makes me sick&#33;

The idealist
7th June 2004, 07:13
Personally I think they should be pitied. In a way it must be terrible living with those desires while knowin it is wrong and perverse.

Most of those people are probably weak sods who simply do not have the self control to stop themselves.

ÑóẊîöʼn
7th June 2004, 07:44
And so it begins. we must remember that when they are able to do things like this to websites that few people object to being blocked, they can do it to websites like Che-Lives. Personally I believe the internet should remain completely uncensored.

and guess what guys? the nazis will still be able to post their bomb building instructions while anyone remotely left who does the same thing will be instantly clamped down upon and punished with the full extent of the law&#33; Bastards&#33;

DaCuBaN
7th June 2004, 20:31
i applaud that decision, i would shot myself the sick minded people who use kids to take porn pictures, aghhhhhhhhh it makes me sick i would kill them assholes&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;thats the kinda people that should be tortured until they die, it really makes me sick&#33;

No-one would dream of condoning the actions of these people: about the best reaction you&#39;ll get is "it&#39;s none of my business"

It&#39;s about what may come next, not why this is being done in this incident.

It&#39;s a precedent - From here on in they can start restricting pretty much anything they disagree with. It&#39;s up to the individual company. This may mean that, for example, every &#39;communist&#39; in the UK would have to sign up to specific ISP&#39;s as many of the mainstream ones block information that they may wish to access, such as this site.

The important bit you seemed to miss is that the only other places this seems to happen are in the likes of China, Saudi Arabia - oppressive regimes.

redstar2000
8th June 2004, 14:17
What about the possibility of a worm/virus that seeks out and destroys such "blocks"? Or simple software that "fools" the isp server into thinking a block has been successful when in fact it has not?

Surely, the "geek community" will not let us down on this one... :D

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h&s
8th June 2004, 14:59
I&#39;m certainly not one of the "geek community," (I hardly know anything about computers) but internet blocks that aren&#39;t done perfectly are extremely easy to get past.
Internet blocks at public places like schools or libraries can be simply got past by entering the IP address (like 217.172.189.21 , etc) instead of the "word" address (www.che-lives.com), or you could just use a site that browses the internet for you, from another computer.
(if you have spyware viruses on your computer you may already be doing this&#33;)

DaCuBaN
8th June 2004, 18:34
Internet blocks at public places like schools or libraries can be simply got past by entering the IP address (like 217.172.189.21 , etc) instead of the "word" address (www.che-lives.com)

The DNS name www.che-lives.com resolves to the IP address of the site - the name is simply there for the convenience of humans (funnily enough most people don&#39;t easily remember a 4 section IP address). If the places you are going to only have blocks on the DNS names, then the people running aforementioned sites are no more geeks than yourself.


What about the possibility of a worm/virus that seeks out and destroys such "blocks"? Or simple software that "fools" the isp server into thinking a block has been successful when in fact it has not?


Every computer on the net has an IP address, assigned in &#39;blocks&#39; to different ISP&#39;s, who in turn supply these to their customers. Some are fixed (such as the server running this site) whereas others are dynamic (such as a dial-up account - every time you connect you are issued with a new address). If the block is done correctly, then to the best of my knowledge it&#39;s as to close to impossible as is possible.