''13''

[DarkAngel]

Wow I saw the movie ''13''.... that was some good shit.

It was about this geeky 13 year old girl named Tracey, who became best friends with a badass named Amy. They ended up living together in Traceys house after Amy told Mell {traceys mom} that shes being abused by her crackwhore mother. So the two became the best of friends... they did everything together-smoke, drink, fuck ect... Tracey ended up being sucidal and cutting herself, because of all they pain, which was so well showed in this movie. It was so real.. there was nothing fake about it. Its an exellent choice...

Anybody else see it?

{btw this movie took place in a 4month period}

[Enver Hoxha]

I haven't seen that film but I'm aware of the themes and issues bought up in that film I think.

It reminds me of a film (or feature length drama) shown here in the UK last year on Channel Four called 'Pleasure Land' I think. Basically it was about one girl aged 14 in Liverpool, to begin with she's your typhical top of the class boffin (although she comes from a rough estate) and ideal daughter. She ends up falling into the wrong crowd so to speak and takes the drugs, has the sex and wears the short skirts and make up.

Watching this drama sought of bought up huge contradictions in my head atleast. On the one hand I couldn't bare watching her destroy herself and be taken advantage of and bullied into doing things, in the begginning atleast towards the end she was the one girl telling others what to do. However as a 19 year old male watching the scenes where she was wearing the high heels, short skirts and low cut tops I couldn't help think that she and the other girls of the same age were really 'fit' as the slang saying goes in England and I'd admit that I'd struggle to say no to sex with them if it were offered.

That's not meant as perverse or anything, in the end though it makes me as bad as the guys that did go around fucking them. Hell simply because I'm 19 (not to mention being a great looking guy aswell) I've been situations where I could of had sex with 13-15 year old girls. So have some of my mates, and other guys who I know although not really 'friends' with do actually sleep with them.

It happens more than you would orginally think. In the end its the culture that causes it. Increasing sexuality of young people in magazines and such. People wonder what produces warped minds like Ian Huntley's, I'd say its obvious but still.

Anyway back to the film I do take it positevly when the main character who was orginally the 'nice girl' after practically forcing the girl who she had orginally wanted to impress to have sex with two guys in some back alley have a discussion pointing out that neither of them really had a choice in the matter. The culture demanded that she give some boy a blow job at a party through peir pressure, as did her friend having sex with two grown men one after the other.

Only problem was in my point of view was when she dridicules the make up she was wearing at the end of the drama and laughs with her younger sisiter I ask myself what happens to the younger sister in four years time? Answer probably the same.

[BOZG]

I seen it about 6 months ago. Very good portrayal of the effects of peer pressure etc. I have been meaning to get a copy of it on DVD. The 'Pleasure Land' series that was mentioned was also quite interesting, completely destroyed the idea of sexual unawareness among young people.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

I remember that, you only have to walk around your estate to see all this anyway.

[BOZG]

Comandante Paul,

Yeah but it's a subject which most films have not really focused on. It's also interesting to see it from someone's perspective.

[honest intellectual]

It's alright, kina cliched and sentimental.
Is Geist Paul?

[BOZG]

Paul Ennis, not Murphy.



sentimental.

Cause we all know that you are Mr. Macho =P Everyone likes a bit of sentiment at times, whether we admit it or not.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 12:08 AM
Comandante Paul,

Yeah but it's a subject which most films have not really focused on. It's also interesting to see if from someone's perspective.

I guess so, I havent seen the film just one of the Please Island programs. I suppose it is difficult to imagine life for a thirteen year old girl when you are a dude, 19 and never think about it.

[Urban Rubble]

I thought it kind of sucked, and it made me feel perverted because I thought the "bad girl" in the film was kinda hot. She couldn't have been 13 !!

It was a mediocore movie overall.

[FatFreeMilk]

I saw it today and it was so not what I expected it be from the review that I read in Teen Vogue, sue me, and my cousin, who btw thought the girl was hot too.

The theme they tried to present was okay but it wasn't very realistic. I mean come on, the setting was LA, what more could you expect?! The review I read made it sound like every young teen girl goes through all this...which is bullshit. Well we do, but not to that extreme. Yeah, every middlschool has some bad ass chick that every nerdy girl wants to be like but please, they're not that bad ass. Ha ha, I don't remember being affected by that kind of pressure when I was 13 and that was like 2 years ago.

Nikki Reed, *Evie in the movie, does a great job though. And so does the other girl who was probably not even 13. Nikki was 15 when they filmed it, so boys don't feel that bad.

The way they tried to move the camera around in suspense really annoyed me.

It was OK.

[(*]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 01:00 AM

Nikki Reed, Tracy in the movie, does a great job though. And so does the other girl who was probably not even 13. Nikki was 15 when they filmed it, so boys don't feel that bad.


If I'm not mistaken, she wrote the movie as well.

[Maaja]

I saw in in cinema about a month or even more ago and I liked it too. Especially because with the pressure the movie turned out black and white. And when the pressure was gone, slowly the colours came back.
Actually Nikki Reed who was playing Evie (not Tracy and Amy doesn't exist at all!) was 15 years-old (she looked older) and she wrote the scenario, I read somewhere that she had experienced the same when she was 13. Then she was in the role of 'Tracy'. I deeply hate all kind of mainstream comedies because I dodn't get anything from them. But I loved this movie.

[BOZG]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 07:06 AM
I saw in in cinema about a month or even more ago and I liked it too. Especially because with the pressure the movie turned out black and white. And when the pressure was gone, slowly the colours came back.
Actually Nikki Reed who was playing Evie (not Tracy and Amy doesn't exist at all!) was 15 years-old (she looked older) and she wrote the scenario, I read somewhere that she had experienced the same when she was 13. Then she was in the role of 'Tracy'. I deeply hate all kind of mainstream comedies because I dodn't get anything from them. But I loved this movie.
Welcome back Comrade. I had wondered where you had disappeared to.

[Maaja]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 07:25 AM
Welcome back Comrade. I had wondered where you had disappeared to.



I just needed an Internetfree year and half!;) Well, actually not 100% Internetfree but almost! It's great that you still remember me!

[BOZG]

A lot of members disappear over time and you do wonder where they are. We also had a lot of old members return in the past few months so it was strange to see so many old faces. To be honest, I couldn't remember your name and it was bugging me for ages.

[GrYnEt]

i saw it. It was.....interesting...

[refuse_resist]

Never seen it. How long has it been around?

[commieboy]

I watched this movie with my girlfriend and the whole time we just kept saying, "They're 13 for christ's sake!"

That was one messed up movie, but a sad thing is that i knew a girl who acted almost exactly like Tracy did and i mean she cut, smoked, fucked, but the movie was very "real" and kinda freaked me out.

[honest intellectual]

Consider that it could have been a lot worse. I mean, no one got AIDS, no one got pregnant, no one got hooked on hard drugs or fell into prostitution, no one got raped....
Just a thought.

[Borincano]

Originally posted by honest [email protected] 12 2004, 11:42 AM
Consider that it could have been a lot worse. I mean, no one got AIDS, no one got pregnant, no one got hooked on hard drugs or fell into prostitution, no one got raped....
Just a thought.
Ok, it wasn't a Lifetime Channel movie now, lol. j/k Thank God it wasn't, because then I wouldn't have seen it. It was a great movie; very "artsy" with the color, visuals, and camera movements. It's sad that so many girls in the "real world" actually do act like this. They want to grow up too fast. To kids being grown up is pretty much being either a whore or a little gangsta. :(

[honest intellectual]

very "artsy" with the color, visuals, and camera movementsReally? I thought the cinematography was very 'MTV'