Dialectics

[bunk]

Can someone explain this to me as it is a factor of Marx's and Engels work that i don't know about. I know that Hegel founded it and that a part of it is that when communism is reached society will turn into a perfect epoch?
edit:Is it just a theory about social processes?

[redstar2000]

On "Dialectics" -- The Heresy Posts (http://redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net/theory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1082735164&archive=&cnshow=headlines&start_from=&ucat=&)

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net)
A site about communist ideas

[bunk]

It doesn't explain reallt what it is though? And the quotes you answer are just critisizing you for not following it.

[Shredder]

It's the Marxist philosophy. I recommend you google it, because it'd take me too long to explain it in detail here. Some of the basic tenets are things like "everything changes" and "everything has an opposite" and stuff like that. I don't think it's actually very important to the rest of Marxism. Allusions dialectics are usually just thrown into a random sentence as a bonus. The biggest plus of Marx's dialectical materialism is that no one has sat down and written four volumes on exactly what it is. Works on the philosophy focus more on refuting other philosophers than telling you about dialectics. You're just supposed to read Hegel's idealist version and "stand him on his head."

[Conghaileach]

This (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=6015) is the thread from which RedStar's "Heresy posts" developed. It might give more of a broader overview of what he put into his document.

[Pete]

A dialectic is any process that involves two opposite viewpoints and tries to seek a middle ground between them. Socrates has dialectics discussions in the various dialogues of Plato. Marx and Engles used the dialectal model of history to pit classes (and ideals) against on another in the evolution of history. They believed that eventually the middle ground would be found in equality of all classes, which means no classes at all.

[Mike Fakelastname]

Dialectic Materialism is Marx's philosophy explaining historical progress. According to Marx, history progresses and advances through stages/epochs/eras, and each phase is inevitable and impossible to avoid. The next epoch comes along when the old epoch becomes obsolete, and starts to digress. Marx believed that the social aspect of the world was constantly advancing, and it all related to economics. "Charging" as he put it, like a runaway train, and couldn't be stopped, in fact it will never stop, not by force, not by anything. Marx has been thus far absolutely and undeniably correct about that.

Once the capitalist system becomes, to put it bluntly, "obsolete", a new epoch of history will be formed, socialism. Pay attention to what I said there, “only after capitalism becomes functionally obsolete will socialism come”, premature "revolution" will get us nowhere fast (as you've seen in Russia, China, Cuba, Angola, Eastern Europe, Rwanda, Guatemala, Chile, Bolivia, etc.).

"In a higher phase of communist society . . . only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be fully left behind and society inscribe on its banners: from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." - Marx

"History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce." - Marx

"Men make their own history, but they do not make it just as they please; they do not make it under circumstances chosen by themselves, but under circumstances directly found, given and transmitted from the past. The tradition of all the dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brain of the living." - Marx

"History is nothing but the activity of men in pursuit of their ends. " - Marx

"It is absolutely impossible to transcend the laws of nature. What can change in historically different circumstances is only the form in which these laws expose themselves." – Marx

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2004, 03:37 PM
A dialectic is any process that involves two opposite viewpoints and tries to seek a middle ground between them. Socrates has dialectics discussions in the various dialogues of Plato. Marx and Engles used the dialectal model of history to pit classes (and ideals) against on another in the evolution of history. They believed that eventually the middle ground would be found in equality of all classes, which means no classes at all.
i.m please to here that you understand dialectics.but you will have to train a little bit harder(concerning point of view).and understanding of it
it seems to me a little bit ready to cook.and if you want a dialectic dicussion you can get it.were is your middle ground when you move a topic from filosophy to religion,
when it was not ,you could have move it to politics as well but you didn't why?
i said to you i'm pissed and my middle ground is passed.


sorry for the dialectics but this is goood way to see what dialectic must not be .
since you have to compromise(and on this one i wont)