PALESTINE AND ISRAEL - what are your opinions?

[ZaPaTiStA SoCiAlIsTa]

I was watching the news, and the war between palestine and isreal get worse each and every day! what are your opinions on the middle east crisis? I think that the palestinian people are oppressed by the monster sharon, but thats just me. I'd like your opinions.

[ZaPaTiStA SoCiAlIsTa]

I don’t support terrorist attacks on any one, but also, I think people shouldn’t be baffled as to why the oppressed turn to terrorist tactics.
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[Reuben]

I agree withh you comrade.

Victory To The Intifada is the phrase that best expresses my opinion.


What we are seeing now is Israel violently repressing a people who are doing as much as excersizing their legitimate right to resst racist occupation, humiliation and persecyution (sorry for speechiifying)

[Commisar BOB]

I totally agree.

The current situation is an Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory. The Israeli's are criminals of peace and continue to flex their military muscles upon innocent palestinians.

[Xvall]

I'm not sure if any of those sides are 'right', but I do agree that the Israel will have to stop opressing palestine in order for the conflict to end. But I DO know that the palestinians are very tied to their beliefs. All these american kids around here say they would be willing to defend their country, but if it got invaded, I'm pretty sure they would all be hiding in their cellars. However, I have seen ten year old palestinians go running against a tank with a rock, and eventually getting killed later.

- Drake Dracoli

[El Brujo]

I support the PLO 100%. The Israili's have no right to set up a sick apartheid state in territory that does not belong to them in the first place. Its kind of like when the white settelers killed off most of the natives and took their territory.

[Anonymous]

First it wont be short, its just like ireland and england, brits came and took land that didnt belong to them they oppressed us we tried to take it back and got some just like the palestinians.
Shar on should be anal searched for gay porn mags!

[Jhala]

What is happening right now in Palestine/Israel to the Palestinian people MUST be adequately compared the the Holocaust. Methods of killing, means of oppression, and the actual figures of the number killed are irrelevent. Ten people killed under oppresion is no different to 1 million. When ever this comparison is made by a Palestinian delegate, it is dismissed by the Israelis and western media alike. Whats the difference between rounding Jewish people into ghettos or Palestinians in camps and segregating them into designated areas ??

Just a note on the last round of peace talks and the collapse of these talks. Other than the issues of Jerusalem, a major breaking point was the Israeli condition that any newly created state of Palestine must not allow Palestians that moved overseas during the past 50 years to return to their homeland. Does anyone else see the hypocracy in the conditions of the Jewish state and the Palestian State?

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"One mans terrorist, is another mans freedom fighter"

[Reuben]

While I would not want to diminish the atrocities carried out it is not an accurate comparison with the holocaust.

There are mass murders and executions and their is an attempt to ethnically cleanse the palestinians.


However their is not a systematic attempt to kill EVERY SINGLE person of Arab or palestinian decent so that none exist.

There have been isolated incidents comparable to Nazism. However, when the Nazis occupied ANY village they would round up anyone of Jewish descent.

They attempted to kill every jew., this was their objective. While Israeel are murdering their objective is to force every palestinian to leave.

[Reuben]

P.S. I generally agree with what your sayiung Jhala

[Guest]

well reuben , if u think of it ........... the israeli army would love to just ethnically clean palestain from the palestinian ppl , and wipe them all ........ if there was no international pressure , and ofcourse the threat from the arabic and islamic countries !

[guerrillaradio]

Palestinian suicide bombers don't help the situation, but what world leaders seem to refuse to believe is that terrorism is a symptom not a cause. Terrorism cannot be eradicated just by killing terrorists. The more they kill, the more new terrorists will appear. When will Sharon the fascist fuckwit realise that??

[Jhala]

Agreed guest !!! The Israelis don't look at the Palestians and say "well, there not all suicide bombers". If that were the case, Israeli tanks would not blockade whole Palestinian towns. The problem according to the Israelis is simply Palestinians. The methods for the Nazi oppression and the methods for Israeli oppression are different for many factors, such as the period in which they occur, the surrounding lands, international pressure (mainly caused by US mid-east oil interests) however, the underlying basis of it all is still the same. The Nazi's saw the Jews as an infestation of their land, same with the Israelis (although, wording is different nowadays)

As for terrorism, I personally think that the US/Allies attempt to eradicate terrorism is fruitless, as the causes of terrorism have not been addressed. US forgien policy hasn't changed, which is what bred the 9/11 attacks. I think that these people are not just a bunch of trigger-happy nutcases, that there is a very real oppression of people the world over, by the actions of the US. How far would a terrorist get, if he went around with a signed petition from his neighbours, kindly asking for the US to remove themselves from the Mid-east??

Perfect example of US interference ... here's what got the ball rolling for Che's political awakening

http://www.mayaparadise.com/ufc1e.htm

PS. This site (che-lives) is the greatest ... can't believe I didn't find this earlier

[Derar]

Sorry i was the one who posted previously as guest . ( i was at uni. )

and jhala , welcome to the board .
Together in the fight against imperialism .

[Commisar BOB]

why do the jews feel that because of the holocaust they can kill any enemy that stands in their way?

[Derar]

We r not talking about the jews in general , we r talking about zionists ......
Its not right to accuse jews in general .....

the ones we must fight r the zionists ......like sharon and his followers ..

[I Will Deny You]

Quote: from Commisar BOB on 6:09 pm on Mar. 25, 2002
why do the jews feel that because of the holocaust they can kill any enemy that stands in their way?
I agree with Derar. Who else have the Jews used the Holocaust as an excuse to kill?

[Reuben]

Thanks Derar, for putting Bob right. I certainy don't go round thinking I have got the right to kill people so that was a stupid generalisation about an ethnic group.

I agee with what you said before when you posted as guest.

In fact ethnic cleansing is happening at the moment in the senste that since the intifada 100,000 palestinians have been emigrated under the duress of Israe's racist atrocities.

In my post before I said that Israel was carrying out ethnic cleansing (I.E. forcing palestinians to leave) though, was different from what happened in the Holocaust as it was not systematically trying to murder every single person of palestinian descent

[I Will Deny You]

I've got a question: Why do the champions of so many causes get offended when you refuse to compare the plight of the people they're trying to help to the Holocaust? Someone was offended when I said that what happened in Kosovo wasn't quite comparable to the Holocaust. The only comparison that I can think of is to what happened in Rwanda. The Tutsis were murdered three times faster than the Jews were in the final solution. The only reason the genocide in Rwanda stopped was that there were actually no more Tutsis to murder! I have sympathy with the Palestinians, but that's no Holocaust. (Sorry I'm a little slow, but I didn't catch that post until now.)

[peaccenicked]

Israel should be the new South Africa.
It should be the focus of the world on racist injustice.
End the Israeli occupation now!

[ZaPaTiStA SoCiAlIsTa]

What do you guys think about a Palestinian nation? How do you guys think they would go about doing that, if the fascist leader Sharon (and big brother a.k.a. Bush) allowed it? I hope to live to see the day when Palestine is a legitimate nation, free from Israeli oppression.

[Derar]

Today the isreali army majorly invaded the palestinian territory , stormed Al-Aqsa mosque ..... while the palestinians were during their friday prayer .
then the isreali troops stormed yasser arafat's office .... battling with his guards , keeping yasser arafat under siege in his office .

also tanks entered the palestinian cities , and israeli troops took position on top of the house .

We soon might expect a new massacre , just like the one that happend weeks ago ....
And all this happend after the US gave the green light to sharon !

[Revolution2002]

Please, comrades, You are making the majority if the Israeli people seem as supporters of the government and it's actions. As an Israeli citizen, I know that there are many groups in Israel who oppose our current facist government. You are right that Israel must withdraw from the territories and evacuate the "settelments". But you must not degrade to fanaticism and blind hate of Israel. From the western media it really looks as if Israel oppresses the Palestinian people,( which it does!!!) but you cannot learn anything from the media and decide your oppinions in this matter upon what it says. Remember that the media just serves the current intrests if the government in control at your country.

[Commisar BOB]

israel should get the hell out of palestine completely

[Guest]

...oops i hit that tricky mouse button a little too early...anyway, i just wanna say that shit is not as easy as all that...atrocities have been committed by both sides... fathers have watched as their sons have been killed before their eyes...babies have been torn from their mothers' breasts and murdered in cold blood...the bodies continue to pile up-Palestinians as well as Israelis...innocents have been slaughtered in the name of their enemies' respective gods...but at the end of the day at whom ought we point the finger? does it even matter who's to blame? maybe at one point it did, but this shit has tit for tatted itself way beyond a simple solution...at this point what's desperately needed is frank and brutally honest dialogue...why do you hate me? why do i hate you? am i willing to let go of my pride, admit where i fucked up and deal with the current situation...am i willing to handle my biz-nass and stay the fuck up outta yours...respect is the key-love is the ideal, but these brothers-from-another-mother have gotta baby-step they asses through the preliminaries first...lets put down our guns for a hot minute and remember that if you're born of women your blood runs red...anyway, that that's my fitty-cent...aint nobody gonna fuck wit this...peace

[Rob]

I usually side with Palestine. I fear, however, that if given the chance, the Palestinian people would attempt to wipe out the Israelis. I would have no problem if it was only the state that was being attacked, but it is the people's blood that is being shed. I think i just realized a solution about 54 years too late today, and I am surprised by the fact that I hadn't thought of this before, and that no one tried this at the time. In the 30s and 40s, British Palestine accepted more Jewish refugees than England or the U$A. What if the first wave of Israelis had instead of getting their own state, immigrated to British Palestine. This way, Palestinians wouldn't be displaced, and the refugees would have had somewhere to go. Following this, the Palestinian people could attempt to liberate themselves from British Imperialism. Oh well, I guess hindsight's 20/20

[deimos]

I think its stupid to say the "Israelis".To generalize em.Because there many israelis who are against this government.I know a guy, who went from israel to his brother in austria because he was ashamed of his country!

[Moskitto]

I think the Saudi peace plan is best, Israel withdraws from all land occupied in 1964 thus creating a Palistinian state, in exchange, Israel gets normal relations with the rest of the Arab world.

[Derar]

Yeah , but israel responed to the peace offer by invading the palestinian territories .... putting yasser arafat under siege in his office for 2 days now ..... and today they cut the electricity and water from the room he is in , and assasinated 6 of his guards !!

[Rob]

They weren't responding to the peace offer, they were responding to the suicide bombing that took place the first night of passover. It's still bad what Israel is doing, but the suicide bombings weren't much better.

[Che Vive]

its really easy for u ppl to talk about whats right or wrong.try living under what the palestinians go thru every single day of their lifes from discrimination to humiliation to cold blooded murder on their own land by ppl who claim to own the land and yet have only been there since the begining of the last century .there are over 7 million palestinian refugee over the world who cant even relate to the notion of having a country.do you know how that feels?i guess not.
i say the palestinians have every right for resistance against the zionist occupation.
and for u ppl who stick by israel on thi9s.u guys are supposed to be educated ppl (i would guess)and yet you find no problem with a state based on religious selection its just as bad as south africa under the apartheid just a different type of discrimination.
SHAME!!!!

[I Will Deny You]

I think that the Saudi Peace plan is best. Israel should at least go back to the 1967 borders. (1967 was also the year that kind of ruined the American Jewish political identity.) I don't support the suicide bombers. I do support a Palestinian state.

It really tells us a lot when a tyranical theocracy is the last hope for Israel and Palestine. In good news, however, America finally condemned Israel's horrible actions in an emergency UN session.

[Derar]

Israel just said that's about to enter Arafat's office , where he is been under siege in , and try to arrest him or kill him ....... but for what ?!!
Also all the palestinians factions including hamas , fath , and the palestinian army warned israel that if they touch arafat ....... a huge strike is gonna be committed against israel and the israelis ... specially the settlers , also Hezbollah did few guerilla raids on israeli posts in the accupied territories of lebanon , destroying 2 israeli posts and an israeli tank , but this is nothing compared to what israel is doing and the army they have ....... all american weapons that r made to kill palestinian civilians ......

the israeli army accupied lots of palestinians cities , and arrested all males from 16-40 years old ...... and made them take their clothes off and lay on the ground ..... then they arrested them under extreme humiliation .
here r some pics of today's events :
http://www.aljazeera.net/mritems/images/2002/3/30/1_89069_1_6.jpg
http://www.aljazeera.net/mritems/images/2002/3/30/1_89103_1_17.jpg

http://www.aljazeera.net/mritems/images/2002/3/29/1_88948_1_6.jpg
http://www.aljazeera.net/mritems/images/2002/3/29/1_88924_1_6.jpg

[revolutionary spirit]

My brother went to Palestine on thrusday,for two weeks,i got an e-mail from him today,here is what he had to say so far,

''Hi everyone!

Just letting everyone know that i've made it and i'm currently in Bethlehem. The situation is very tense and evcents are changing very quickly on the ground. When we arrived yesterday, we were told about the Israeli Siege and military action on Arafat's compound. We were asked by the palestinians we are working with if we would be willing to go and intervene in any way we could, everyone argeed that we should, afterall thats why we came! Btw there are about 60 - 80 internationals from the International solidarity movement, in addition there are Italian and i believe Siss activists somewhere in Israel. We have meet about 30 Italians who were already in Bethleham. Any way, in the end we could not to Ramallah, so we ended up continuing our direct action training however, because many of us felt that something had to be done and add the fact that news just came in at the time that a suicide bomber blew herself up in West Juresulem the Israelis looked as if they were going to take action against the camp she came from, which happened to be round the corner from where we were based. With this threat of action we took part in a solidarity visit through the refugee camp known as Da Haisha. The purpose was to be visible so that the international media know we were there and then the Israelis so as to at least make them think twice about bombing the hell outof the area.

Today we have just taken part in a protest against three Israeli Armoured Personnel Carriers, full of soldiers who invaded a refugee camp called Beit Jala last night. We peacefully protesed for about an hour marching from the hotel we are staying at, thru the streets of Bethleham annoucing to the people and the Israelis that we are here. It was a great protest with the most lively contigent the italians, suprise suprise! All the usually songs and slogans from Genoa it was great! When we got to the APC'S one of the solidiers threw a precussion grenade, and we stayed, but later another APC came around the corner firing bullets in the air obiviously trying to intimitade us. After a while we left the scene. But news of our small action has and is spreading around and local palestinians are awaare that there are international activists on the ground. We will be meeting up soon to discuss next actions, we may be going to palestinian homes to act as human shields around the areas threaten with israeli military action.

Please if u can do anything to highlight to the media of what we are doing please do so, Could some one please collect a list of all email address from national news papers, letter pages, and i'll try to email them, thanks very much. I'll try and inform u all as regulary as possible. There is an internet cafe conviently around the corner from the hotel, which is good.

Apoligies for the length, grammer and spelling of this message! speak to u soon!''

I decided not to put his name for secruity reasons,but i can say that i am very proud of him and hope he comes back safely.

[Reuben]

Your brothers a good guy RS.


Fuck Israel, sorry I couldn't think of any thing more sophisticated to say on the issue

[poncho]

Quote: from Jhala on 3:36 am on Mar. 25, 2002
What is happening right now in Palestine/Israel to the Palestinian people MUST be adequately compared the the Holocaust. Methods of killing, means of oppression, and the actual figures of the number killed are irrelevent. Ten people killed under oppresion is no different to 1 million. When ever this comparison is made by a Palestinian delegate, it is dismissed by the Israelis and western media alike. Whats the difference between rounding Jewish people into ghettos or Palestinians in camps and segregating them into designated areas ??

Just a note on the last round of peace talks and the collapse of these talks. Other than the issues of Jerusalem, a major breaking point was the Israeli condition that any newly created state of Palestine must not allow Palestians that moved overseas during the past 50 years to return to their homeland. Does anyone else see the hypocracy in the conditions of the Jewish state and the Palestian State?

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"One mans terrorist, is another mans freedom fighter"


Sorry had to post!!!!!

I agree with you a thousand percent.....The other night an Israel government official was calling the people of Palestine animals that need to be put down....They have become Nazi's and society must stop feeling sorry for them because of the holocaust..... I'm sick of friends of mine calling me a racist for saying such things because I do not hate Jewish people, but I'm on side with Palestine......

[El Brujo]

Quote: from poncho on 2:44 pm on Mar. 31, 2002


Sorry had to post!!!!!

I agree with you a thousand percent.....The other night an Israel government official was calling the people of Palestine animals that need to be put down....They have become Nazi's and society must stop feeling sorry for them because of the holocaust..... I'm sick of friends of mine calling me a racist for saying such things because I do not hate Jewish people, but I'm on side with Palestine......

I started a thread about that:

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...m=11&topic=1093 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=11&topic=1093)



(Edited by El Brujo at 3:27 pm on Mar. 31, 2002)

[TheDerminator]

Said this elsewhere, but until the United States government re-evaluates its almost unconditional support for Israel, Israel will continue to oppress the Palestian people with impunity.

What the hell do people think 11/9 was all about?

Bin Laden made the equation as clear as day light to the whole world, and although means was atrocious, at the same time, it is the correct equation.

Unconditional US support of Israel = The continuous oppression of the Palestian people. Okay U can add that for Bin Laden, the US also = the main international destroyer of fundamentalist pan-arabism, which is the main motivation, but part of the pan-arabic outlook is the necessity for Palastine to have its own automony from Israel.

Unless U tackle the causation of that which creates an atrocity, U are merely allowing that causation to produce other woeful effects, such as means of a suicide bomber.

Until the causation is addressed the effects will continue. It is irrational to think otherwise.

The United States has made itself, the moral policeman of global politics. In Israel it is a policeman with the same mind set as the policemen who set upon Rodney King.

Resistance is Futile!

derminated

[Derar]

After all what israel did and been doing , Bush the idiot said yesterday in an interview that he totally understands why israel is doing that , and that it's their right to defend their country !! and that yasser arafat must do more to crack down the terrorism ( from his room that he is trapped in ) !!!

WTF ?! is he a total idiot or what !?

And i heard today that israeli troops entered and accupied 3 of the palestinian local tv stations that's been usually watched by palestinian children and civilians and started airing israeli propaganda...... and also porn movies ...

[Rosa]

yes Dermymydear, but don't you think that wuthout US support Israel would be erased from the face of the Earth?...interesting that during Clinton's rule, the situation wasn't so critical overthere...but he was there at least 1/month, making both sides to talk to each other...

[TheDerminator]

Rosa,

The difference between a good policeman and a bad policeman is that a good policeman is even handed.

If the United States sets itself up the world policemen, the rest of the world has the right to demand even-handedness!

Resistance is Futile!

May the Force be with U!

derminated

[James]

Rosa; where do you live?

[Rosa]

Croatia, why do you ask?

[STALINSOLDIERS]

i am anti isrealie for being anti communist and what they have done to the palestein that is all

[James]

I was just wondering...

[Reuben]

It is with absolute digust and anger, not least at my own powerlessnes, that I watch these terrible eveents unfold at the bloody hands of Sharon.

It is with disgust that I watch the butcher of Sabra and Shatilla humiliate and destroy Arafat. That this excuse for a human being can presume to have any moral authority to indict the whole palestinian population for terrorism, after a year of extra-judicial murders, of taking parents away from children simply to satisfy those who support him baying for blood, of demolishing houses, is beyond me.

[Guest]

I must interject a small amount of zionisim hear, The PLO is not great and neither is arrafat. He is a two faced lier. And a small peice of history to you idiots IN the 20's and 30's Palestinians where the jews and when the brits where in charge you know who fought them the jews not the bow-down muslims. Oh and CHE and Castro both supported the zionist movement.

How can you support people who murder innocent children. They lost any of my sypathy when they killed my sister. And i will tell you I sreve in the military here and they aren't oppresed there so called refugee camps are really fully functioning cities. and you rheroic PLO leaders are realy fat cats who are compltely out of touch with the common people. SO FUCK YOU IF YOU SUPPORT THESE MURDERS

[I Will Deny You]

Quote: from Guest on 4:43 pm on Mar. 31, 2002
SO FUCK YOU IF YOU SUPPORT THESE MURDERSSorry about your sister, but I think you need to calm down and make a distinction or two. I support the Palestinian cause and the idea of a Palestinian state, but I do not support the suicide bombers, nor have I ever, nor will I ever. I support what they're fighting for, but not the way that they're fighting. The people who get my undying support are the people in the peace movement, whether they are Israelites or Palestinians.

I know about the PLO and I know what their mission is. I've read lots of books on Zionism and I know about the original idea of a Jewish homeland. The Jewish homeland that many people supported in the 20's and 30's is certainly not the Jewish homeland that we see today on the news.

I'll call myself a Khazarist if that's what it takes.

[Moskitto]

I have to agree with the guest partly on this.

I've said it before and i'll say it again, you hear about the kids being shot, but you don't hear about the kids who's bombs blow up in their pockets as they run to the checkpoint. Anyway, what the hell did Sharon say that started this whole thing off? If I found out It might settle my mind.

[Kez]

When the Palestian people become one, then they can defeat Ziononism

[Moskitto]

Ok, after I stopped reading R.J.Rummel's Website (A website about why governments kill people.) I decided to pull some statistics on the deaths caused by Arab-Israeli conflicts.

Israelis Vs Palestinians

B'Tselem: The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in The Occupied Territories
Palestinians
Security forces: 102
Civilians: 1943
TOTAL: 2045
Israelis
Security forces: 193
Civilians: 383
TOTAL: 576

All Arab-Israeli international conflicts since 1948 (Based on Eckhardt, S&S, B&J, Hartman and WPA3

Israel: 7000-7500
Egypt: 24,300-33,000
Syria: 6000-11,500
Jordan: 7,100

But what did Sharon say?

[Derar]

hey guest ...... u r a fucking idiot zionist .

And what about che and castro supported zionism , what's that bullshit .!! che was with the palestinian ppl all the time , he also had connections with the plo and tried to do an operation with them once ....
and castro last year made a speech and he said that the cubans r ready to help their palestinian brothers and that israel is a racist country .
and u cant blame the suicide bombers , they r all young men like us , that couldnt stand the humiliation they live thru everyday ..

And if it was me ................ If u take my land , I'll take ur life .

[Rosa]

that is awfull what you say, Jews hadn't took anybody's land, it was a part of Asia under Brits...
What I can't understand is why people have to elect morons for their leaders once...once, but enough to make horrible damages...do people want to have a reason to work for "better future" (reason called "everything is destroyed")? I mean, that Sharon had a speach on muslim's saint hill, on muslim saint day, and muslims started throwing rocks, and Sharon won the elections, and...were jews scared of something when elected Sharon? why the hell they elected him?(they did...)

[Guest]

Quote: from TavareeshKamo on 10:35 pm on Mar. 31, 2002
When the Palestian people become one, then they can defeat Ziononism
Wrong. The Palestinians can never defeat Israel or 'Zionism'. Six Arab nations couldn't do it together. They talk a big game, but they are militarily inferior to the Jews. Arabs have never been effective fighters. They're good at hijacking airplanes, throwing rocks, and blowing themselves up, but at the end of the day they won't put a dent in Israel, whether they're right or wrong. And what makes you think the Palestinian people are not one? Are they divided on the issue?

[Reuben]

My my we are intelligent aren't we. We have resorted to "We're better fighters than you are.." is this because you are unable to put forward any moral or political grounds for your argument.


I like you am jewish and (I assume it was you that posted before as guest). My great grandparents who were russians were zionists, mainly in response to the persecution they suffered in russia . And I can tell you they envisaged something completely different from what your couuntry is today, for a start the zionist movement was formed in response to racism, they envisaged a socialis state set up to protect minority right, set up specifically to counter discrimination.


Now for whatever reason, when this state of yours came about, 700,000 palestinians were expelled simply because of their ethnic, the wqorst case was at Dier Yassin where palstinians wer raped and massacred. And i think israel has continued in this vane ever since

[GuerillaTactics]

The time for preaching is done

[Guest]

Hey genius, what argument? I didn't put forth any "moral or political grounds for an argument" because I was responding only to the statement that the "Palestinians can defeat Zionism". They can't. It isn't a moral argument. Are you paying attention? You may think you're a detective, but I'm not Jewish.

[El Brujo]

Quote: from Guest on 5:43 am on April 1, 2002
I must interject a small amount of zionisim hear, The PLO is not great and neither is arrafat. He is a two faced lier. And a small peice of history to you idiots IN the 20's and 30's Palestinians where the jews and when the brits where in charge you know who fought them the jews not the bow-down muslims. Oh and CHE and Castro both supported the zionist movement.

How can you support people who murder innocent children. They lost any of my sypathy when they killed my sister. And i will tell you I sreve in the military here and they aren't oppresed there so called refugee camps are really fully functioning cities. and you rheroic PLO leaders are realy fat cats who are compltely out of touch with the common people. SO FUCK YOU IF YOU SUPPORT THESE MURDERS


zinoists = racist genocidal bastards = hypocrites and opressors.

Tell me, how the fuck would you feel if a bunch of people kicked you out of your home and sent you to a refugee camp and on top of that invading the refugee camp and brutally murdering everyone in your family? It would be human nature to become a suicide bomber would it not? Yes it is wrong to kill innocent civillians but the Israili government does it in a much much higher proportion, for a foul cause and to people that gave up their homes for them.

See this thread:
http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...m=11&topic=1093 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=11&topic=1093)

[Reuben]

guest, I confused you with guest who posted earlier who seemed to indicate that he was Israelie.

Also Because I thought you were the same person as the guset who posted earlier I assumed were a zionist, that's why I had a go. Sorry


Sorry, Ill check the IP address next time.

I also reacted badly to you attributing racial characteristics to people I.E. saying the arabs were bad at fighting.

[Derar]

Guest , u fucking racist idiot ......

in 1967 the syrian/egyptian army crushed the israeli army ........ the israeli P.M called the US president and he was crying on the phone .... and thats a knows historical fact , if the U.S didnt come in and help their dogs ( israelis ) ...... we would have cleared this world from some racism and spared the life of lots of palestinian children killed since then .

and Zionism is gonna go with the wind .... this ugly face of racism is gonna be destroyed by the children of palestine ...... the children that make the israeli soldiers piss their pants while they r in their tanks .

cant u see that israel is going down , with all their army and unlimited ammo and missiles , they cant stop a defenseless armless civilians ..... with all the technologies they have they couldnt stop the human bombs from entering in the heart of israel ....
and can't u see what hizbollah did to the zionist army in lebanon , they kicked their ass with only guerilla attacks , with few riffles and some katiosha handheld anti tank missiles , they kicked them out of lebanon , with the smiles of victory on the faces of the lebanese and the shame on the zionists faces...... it's the guerilla warfare , the only type of war that the israeli army is not good at , the only type of war they r scared of , the only type of war that's gonna crush them , just like che and castro crushed batista's army .

Long live the intifada ....... The Intifada of the palestinian children that wont calm until every israeli soldier is either kicked out from their country or killed !

[revolutionary spirit]

the Israeli army invaded bethleham for a little while today with over 100 tanks.that is where my brother is.I hope he gave them hell.

[James]

A TOTAL of 10 Palestinian prisoners accused of collaborating with Israel have been shot dead in the West Bank.

Security sources say the suspects may have been killed to stop them being freed by Israeli forces.

In the West Bank town of Tulkarem, gunmen entered an apartment where seven suspected collaborators were being held by military intelligence.

They took the prisoners into the street, where they were shot and left.

Police and guards, who were also in the apartment at the time, did not try to stop the gunmen, who reportedly belonged to the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade.

The seven men had been held in the apartment for about three months, ever the Israeli military demolished the Tulkarem prison. The men had been prisoners for between six months and one year.

Earlier, in the West Bank town of Qalqilya, the bodies of Iyad Abu Ishab, 20, and Walid Radwan, 22, were found riddled with bullets in a side street.

Palestinian security sources said the two men, who had been arrested and charged for collaborating more than a year ago, were killed by their prison guards.

It is not immediately known whether their bodies were dumped in the street after they were killed in jail.

The body of another suspected collaborator, Mahmood Rahamie, 21, was found in Bethlehem near Manger Square, traditionally thought to be the birthplace of Jesus.

In a statement to Palestinian security, the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade said Rahamie had been killed after he was caught sending information to the Israelis through the internet and email.

[James]

Don't want to worry you revolutionary spirit but i found this on AOL news...

"Britons among six foreigners wounded in Israel

By Ananova

A British woman has been hit in the abdomen by a live bullet fired by Israeli troops.

It happened as about 100 foreigners, mostly Europeans, marched from Bethlehem to Beit Jalla.

Kumle Ibidun, 30, from Bristol, was not believed to be seriously injured.

She said later: "We were only showing solidarity with the Palestinians."

The Foreign Office said in London that two other Britons were slightly injured in the incident. A total of six foreigners were wounded.

Israeli tanks entered the area after a mortar shell landed on the roof of a house in a nearby Jewish neighbourhood.

As the crowd approached the tanks, a soldier fired a burst from a machine gun at the ground, eyewitnesses said.

The Israeli army had no immediate comment to the shooting in Beit Jalla."

[revolutionary spirit]

don't worry,his irish,but might be labelled british.I saw the images today,israeli APC firing live bullets 10 or so feet infront of them,bastards.

[James]

Wankers, its because they carn't shoot the suicide bombers...they have to shoot something i suppose??????!?!!??!?!?!

[revolutionary spirit]

they could try shooting themselves

[Reuben]

I think that the suicide bombs are more a pretext than a reson for israeli aggression.

What I am saying is that Israel wants to kill and intimidate as many palestinians as possible simply because of their own racist ideologies, he suicide bombs are just an excuse.

VVictory to the intifada and to RS's little brother,

Reuben

[revolutionary spirit]

no my big brother,and he wouldn't want to be looked on as an indivuial for praise,praise the movement.We are the movement.

[Freedom for Cyprus]

Israel is a state that has no place in the Middle East. "Like a cucumber" we say in Cyprus, meaning uninvited and unwanted.

The only state that should exist in the first place is Palestine.

Even when the Palestinians tried to compromise and accept the existence of Israel to achieve the recognition of their own state, the Israelis became more provocative than ever.

Let us face it. The Israelis are fascists. And when you defend yourself you are entitled to use every means possible.

The suicidal attacks by the Palestinians are not terrorist acts. They are their only choice to defend themselves.

Goliath is the Palestinians ancestor. But 2500 years later, they are the David of our time.

Freedom for Palestine. I only wish that my people, who decided to compromise with the Turkish occupation of 37% of Cyprus, had half the degnity and courage of the Palestinians. Freedom for Palestine. The "two conflicting sides" theory is bullshit!

[CautheN]

>>>>Croatia, why do you ask?

Tito was the best.

[Guest]

Tito was a *****

[Derar]

Yel znas Mocvara club u zagreb ?

[CheateN02]

the jews use what hitler done to them as an excuse to murder inocent people they also shoot inocent peace protesters and the almighty capitalists George bush and Tony Blair support these people the jewish soldiers act more like terrorists...

they shoot inocent people like children and woman for nothing and because i hate the jews because of this people think im a nazi

[Guest]

dude you're not a nazi, you're just a fucked up racist scumbag

[Reuben]

Guest is right. What the hell are you talking about.

I am an anti-zionist and I hate Israel for what they are doing to the palestinians. I am also jewish and know many jews who feel the same way as me.

You said "I hate Jews" do you hate us. And you express suprise when you are attacking all jews that people call you a Nazi. What Is wrong with you?

[deimos]

cheateno2 when you say that you HATE THE JEWS you are not better than than sharon and his guys.Imaginate that you meet a girl. Shes really fantastic goodlooking. You talking with her all night and shes for the victory of the intafada too. And after all she tells you that she is a faithful jew. What would you do?

[CheateN02]

i only hate the jews because of what they done in palistine.

[deimos]

so you don't like the behaveour of some jews?Right

cya

[CheateN02]

sorry i only hate some jewish like the army and goverment

[CheateN02]

Quote: from deimos on 8:33 pm on April 3, 2002
cheateno2 when you say that you HATE THE JEWS you are not better than than sharon and his guys.Imaginate that you meet a girl. Shes really fantastic goodlooking. You talking with her all night and shes for the victory of the intafada too. And after all she tells you that she is a faithful jew. What would you do?


im gay

[I Will Deny You]

Quote: from CheateN02 on 10:47 am on April 3, 2002
they shoot inocent people like children and woman for nothing and because i hate the jews because of this people think im a nazi
I don't think you're a Nazi. Just an asshole.

I'm a Jew, but I've never set foot anywhere in Asia. I'm not even related to anyone in Israel. And I hope for victory for the intafada. Plenty of Zionists are goyem and plenty of Jews are pro-Palestine. So why use the term "Jews" when it's not the Jews who you have to worry about? It's the militant Zionists, the JDL and the Israeli right wing.

[Valkyrie]

Does anyone have any numbers on the percentage of Jews living in Israel who support Zionism?

[CautheN]

Quote: from Guest on 4:14 am on April 3, 2002
Tito was a *****


You're so full of shit cockknocker, you've no idea who is he is or what he did.

[James]

Cheaten>>> So what if your gay? OK, change the word girl/woman to guy/man. What would you do?

Think before you speak

[Guest]

DESTROY ALL ISRAILI OPPRESSORS OF PALASTINE