we need to stop the nazis NOW

[Frederick_Engles]

I've been looking at redwatch.org, and it kind of scares me. I think that action needs to be taken against the nazis NOW. whether it be by peace full means, or by grabbing an AK-47, we must stop them. The moment we fight back, they will stop, they can only attack us when there are more than a dozen of them.
Where are the communists on the streets? I walk through my city centre, i see the UKIP and the BNP, where are the lefties??? go out on the streets with berets and AKs before it's to late.

WE MUST SMASH THE SCUM!!

[Comrade Mathew]

...where in hell am i gonna get any gun where i live??? where am i gonna find leftist that are not stoned 24/7 in my city??? i know a few but they are pacifists.....

[Kez]

then u should turn to the workers in their traditional organisations in the Trade Unions and the SDP

[SittingBull47]

It's really hard to organize such a thing, and the moment people see an AK on the streets you'll be broken up immediately. It can't just be a spontaneous small (half dozen people) occurrance.

[James]

what happened to freedom of speech?

[Kez]

why should we give them freedom if they wouldnt give it to us?

[James]

And why should they give you freedom when you wouldn't give it to them?


I know what you are saying - why should people be given freedom when they wish to take it away from others?

But don't you see, wanting to remove that freedom makes you like them. All of a sudden you become someone who wants to put a limit on freedom of speech. You become a fascist.

You have faith in the people? But you don't trust them to denounce something (via voting and conversations) which you think is so blantly, so wrong?


If the BNP are wrong - then argument should be able to prove them wrong. If you can't show them for what they are, you either A) don't argue well enough or B) perhaps they are right?
(i don't subscribe to the latter by the way... before i'm jumped on)

[Kez]

but BNP have backers from big business and wealthy ****s, we dont.

Using bourgeoise democracy, this enables them to spread their message more than us.

When people are dissillusioned with normal capialism they look for an alternative, if we arent there, and they are, its not an equal platform.

By restricting the freedom of fascists u preserve the freedom of a lot more

[RedAnarchist]

I concur with James.

I hate the BNP. If given the chance to, i would ensure a BNP member had a painful and slow death at my hands.

But we must allow the people to see the true face of the BNP for themselves. Soon enough the facade the BNP use to hide their evil behind will soon fall, and they will be hated and reviled by all, even the Right.

Let them dig their own grave, then we can push them in it with majority support.

[James]

which big businesses?

[Kez]

the petit bourgeoise class sorry, not big business, yet...

[Guest]

We DO have communists fighting on the streets against the fascists; organizations such as RASH (Red & Anarchist SkinHeads) are always battling white power skinheads...atleast, that's how it is in Philadelphia.

[Colombia]

Such petty little Nazis could not overpower the strong US government.

[CabalTherapy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2004, 01:58 PM
but BNP have backers from big business and wealthy ****s, we dont.

Using bourgeoise democracy, this enables them to spread their message more than us.

When people are dissillusioned with normal capialism they look for an alternative, if we arent there, and they are, its not an equal platform.

By restricting the freedom of fascists u preserve the freedom of a lot more
so...being inneffectual at the task of communicating your ideas to others you wish to stifle the bnp's communication of their ideals.

who are the fascists? the group utilizing democracy or the group who seeks to marginalize others and in the process subverting democracy?

[Sideshow Luke Perry]

I just think keeping spreading our message, and talking to more and more people. It's the only possible way- I'm well aware that they have millionaier backers, but we have millions of decent workers, students and the like who know that racism and fascism is a load of bullshit. There's a huge inert mass at the centre of society, but I'd say their natural instinct is a good one. If I didn't believe that, then I wouldn't be a socialist.

[commieboy]

i think we should realize that this is just one sudden outburst of unrealistic fury...he's new and i know alot of us long-time members did the same thing when we were new...I did...

Not every leftist is willing to put down a joint and pick up a rifle...

[Guest]

The BNP are not a threat yet.
If it ever looks likely that they could take power, then we need to be prepared; bear in mind we'll have every single foreigner with us, cos they will be sent into concentration camps while waiting to be deported.
Ignorance is the root of all evil; attacking the BNP would boost sympathy for them and provoke hostility towards reds. We must instead use peaceful methods, counter leaflets, and so on; get a hold of BNP leaflets and hand out new ones, contradicting the lies they have told on their leaflets.

[Vinny Rafarino]

what happened to freedom of speech?



Ugh, seeing statements like this makes me cringe.


It is our duty as communists to never allow a platform for fascist to speak.

[DaCuBaN]

It is our duty as communists to never allow a platform for fascist to speak

My own emphasis. I personally don't believe this means restricting their right to talk, but by proving imperically that these people are complete idiots.

I mean it's not exactly a difficult thing to prove!

[BOZG]

what happened to freedom of speech

Freedom of speech is a privilege, not a right. Those who wish to smash it should not have the priviledge of using it. Simple as that.

[Dawood]

Organize! That is the answer. Form AFA (Anti-Fascist Action) groups. Organize big campaigns where you go out and tear down posters, and if the fascists object, bash them bloody.
Keep check of where they live. Put an axe in their door (this one always works). Put their faces and anmes on a poster and hand out in their neighborhood.
Hunt them away when they hand out leaflets or puts up posters.
Take contact with your local football hooligans, they can always be useful. :lol: (Unless they are nazis themselves of course)

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 6 2004, 10:50 PM

what happened to freedom of speech?



Ugh, seeing statements like this makes me cringe.


It is our duty as communists to never allow a platform for fascist to speak.
They are born with a platform of communication.

[Comrade Latino]

WE MUST SMASH THE SCUM!!
Now that is what I'm talking about. I've already started doing it in my high school(not with AKs though) I 've been converting facist to communist and they love it. I think they have actually realized that there is no race greater than another; but that there is only one race, the human race.

[Guerrilla22]

I agree that we need to stop the fascist, however I feel that showing up at the places they show up at and didtributing socialist literature to counter their racist ideologies is the best way to go.

[Kalašnjikov]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 17 2004, 03:32 AM
I 've been converting facist to communist and they love it.
In my country young people easily become nazi skinheads because they think it's cool and the majority is afraid of them. History plays a great role here too. Many youg people think that the dark croatian facscist episode is great and that it was the only period when we had independence. When you try to explain an ordinary gy that all people are equal he says: Yugoslavia's gone.

[Guest_gaf]

fighting the beast is good,but the beast has many disguise,clothes and flag don' t be lost ,don't become one and watch your back

[socialistfuture]

they are starting to be a problem here too (new zealand) still in small numbers tho

[socialistfuture]

:huh:

[h&s]

Shouldn't this be in anti-fascism?

[Gen Arkan]

hunting them is too risky, start your own campaihgns., pamphletting and writing on walls will show we won't be moved and if they then object or they then attempt to go for you then people will be on your side so much more.

Its a black and white case if they start on you if you start on them it will be slightly grey, they will say well even if they are nazis you started first.

Thanks Arkan

[Revolt!]

shouldn't this be in the ant-fascism sub-forum?