America, how long can you last!

[Hiero]

Seriouly i think we should start a betting comp on how long the USA is going to last. More and more people from the world are starting to hate you, europe hates, you south america hates you, asian countries hate you, african countries hate you, even here in australia i have notice more anti american auitides from the people around me.

I say 15 years till more embassies are getting bombed and 50 years and america will by force from outside countries have socialist one party control.

[Hiero]

A corny song might help as well.

[Y2A]

China's economy will eventually surpass the United States and China will become the new world power. That is the best that I can predict.

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 04:32 AM
China's economy will eventually surpass the United States and China will become the new world power. That is the best that I can predict.
Premier Wen Jiabao in Berlin, " China will never be a hegemonic superpower." with his hands gesturing in slow motion.

I guess China may value something that the U.S. has never valued -----> Co-operative development and peace. We ' ll see if it is true.

[Y2A]

Yes, because the undemocratic China will be a great benevolent superpower. Get real. You seem to think that everything that does not=U.S is good.

[Fidelbrand]

thanks for putting words in my mouth... :P

Democracy is useless under capitalism when exploitation goes on and when the political realm can't do jack shit to alleviate the problems of the free market mechanism. Starve to death but having a chance to vote is a joke. Get real, cappo. ~

[Professor Moneybags]

Democracy is useless under capitalism when exploitation goes on and when the political realm can't do jack shit to alleviate the problems of the free market mechanism. Starve to death but having a chance to vote is a joke.

The free market mechanism does not cause starvation, reality (or rather, your unwillingness to accept it) does. No revolution is going to overthrow that.

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by Professor [email protected] 3 2004, 06:46 AM

Democracy is useless under capitalism when exploitation goes on and when the political realm can't do jack shit to alleviate the problems of the free market mechanism. Starve to death but having a chance to vote is a joke.

The free market mechanism does not cause starvation, reality (or rather, your unwillingness to accept it) does. No revolution is going to overthrow that.
Blocked in the head? No starvation ?? do you ever read news, baby? or do you ever look around? :o

"No revolution is going to over throw capitalism?" Oh.. I see... :huh: Lets see..

maybe a revolution is not needed, when the system keeps the fucking going on and people get tired or enlightened by our passion and rational ideas about the human future, the system will die itself.:ph34r:

[Hiero]

Yeah i forgot about china, but what happens to america. I do think there will be many acts of rage.

[Professor Moneybags]

Blocked in the head? No starvation ?? do you ever read news, baby? or do you ever look around? :o

Why are they starving and what has it got to do with capitalism ?

(Of course, nobody ever starved in the people's paradise of North Korea, China or the USSR.)


"No revolution is going to over throw capitalism?" Oh.. I see... :huh: Lets see..

I said that no revolution is going to overthrow reality. Read it properly.

[Colombia]

Everyone hates Bush.NOT the United States of America. I truly doubt that one president who ran the country for four years could cause the breaking of the USA.

[Fidelbrand]

Why are they starving and what has it got to do with capitalism ?

I said that no revolution is going to overthrow reality. Read it properly.

Feed me with ur feedbacks first. (You know what im talking about ;) )

[toastedmonkey]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 05:32 AM
China's economy will eventually surpass the United States and China will become the new world power. That is the best that I can predict.
You remind me of a teacher at school, whom didnt quite have a full grasp on economy.

China is growing rapidly, econimically that is.

These things do not last though.

Whilst at the moment, they can produce quickly and cheaply this will change.
As the country gets richer, the workers demand better standers, higher wages etc, but not only do the standards of living improve, the cost of living does, these along with other things, slow the economy down. (that isnt anything to do with politics, its just economics) It will then be on the same lines as the US and UK, only a lot further back.

There were similar thoughts about India, i think.

Though it may have increased political power, I doubt it will become a superpower.

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 06:48 PM
Feed me with ur feedbacks first. (You know what im talking about ;) )
No, I don't.

[Loknar]

Man, you guys just hate this country...

If you are unhappy with America why stay?

[Y2A]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2004, 02:03 AM
Man, you guys just hate this country...
They just need to vent there anger at something.

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2004, 02:03 AM
Man, you guys just hate this country...

If you are unhappy with America why stay?
It's typical behavior for their age. Most of them will grow out of it. The real social misfits will not.

[Maynard]

I do believe comrade neonate is Australian, so I guess he has taken your advice not too stay :).

It's impossible to predict when and how it'll happen. Not many predicted the fall of the Soviet Union when it did. I would suggest reading some of Chalmers Johnsons work on this very subject. I think imperial overstretch has been the downfall of a lot of empires, where they believe there presence is necessary to everywhere to maintain the status quo.
I think the most important thing is what will be after the United States "turn", there is no point in willing on the downfall of an empire, if it's going to be replaced by the same thing, whether in "socialist" colours as in China or whomever.



China's economy will eventually surpass the United States and China will become the new world power
Interesting prediction but I'm wondering what the United States will potentially do to "curb" their growth. As I think it's understood, no "superpower" likes to give up their power to anyone. Also, I think the status of Taiwan, could potentially be the catalyst for a dangerous situation in the future.


Premier Wen Jiabao in Berlin, " China will never be a hegemonic superpower." with his hands gesturing in slow motion.

Ha, believing politicians on their words alone is not a particularly good thing. Actions speak a lot louder than rhetoric. China, right now, has no problem violating the rights of it's own citizens, I don't see why they wouldn't do the same too others. All empires believe they are the "Indispensable" nation who the world couldn't do without.

George Bush has said "We don't seek an empire, Our nation is committed to freedom for ourselves and for others.”. Doesn't mean it is so.


Co-operative development and peace
I'm not so sure the citizens of Tibet, Vietnam or Taiwan even would agree.


Why are they starving and what has it got to do with capitalism ?

Why are they starving ? Perhaps you could answer it. When the Soviet Union collapsed production fell 60 per cent over 6 years, while today 36 Million Russians cannot afford to eat everyday. Why has the "free market" failed these people ?


Whilst at the moment, they can produce quickly and cheaply this will change.
As the country gets richer, the workers demand better standards, higher wages etc, but not only do the standards of living improve, the cost of living does, these along with other things, slow the economy down. (that isnt anything to do with politics, its just economics) It will then be on the same lines as the US and UK, only a lot further back.

China most defiantly has the potential to be the biggest economy in the world, they are, if I remember correctly, if they continue with a growth rate of 7 % a year, they will overtake the United States by 2020, if the United States has a growth of 3 %. You look at Japan, whose GDP per capita is $28,000 now or 3.651 trillion, while after World War 2 it was around 700 million dollars. While China has a GDP per Capita of 5,000 dollars or GDP of $5.989 trillion. If China can experience the same growth as Japan, then this level will multiply by 5, to dwarf the United States current GDP level of 10.5 trillion.
Of course there high growth cannot be sustained forever, as Japan found out but it has the potential to grow as an economy, in much the same way as Japan did and continue to grow for 40 years.

[Hiero]

Everyone hates Bush.NOT the United States of America. I truly doubt that one president who ran the country for four years could cause the breaking of the USA.
Not true, this may not be me but many people just hate all American's.



QUOTE (Loknar @ Jun 4 2004, 02:03 AM)
Man, you guys just hate this country...

If you are unhappy with America why stay?


It's typical behavior for their age. Most of them will grow out of it. The real social misfits will not.


Well then in your opion there are alot of social misfits, other societies must be social misfits in your case.

There are many people who say why do americans act the way they do and we just say their american what do you expect.

[revolutionindia]

I personally feel that

China is headed towards breakdown and in the near
future I really do'not forsee the americans breaking up.

I place my bets on China breaking up.

[SittingBull47]

well hopefully something will happen socially/politically to reform this country. Otherwise, I don't see much of a future if we keep on being imperialist assholes hiding under a veil of democracy.

[lucid]

Originally posted by comrade [email protected] 4 2004, 04:40 AM

Everyone hates Bush.NOT the United States of America. I truly doubt that one president who ran the country for four years could cause the breaking of the USA.
Not true, this may not be me but many people just hate all American's.



QUOTE (Loknar @ Jun 4 2004, 02:03 AM)
Man, you guys just hate this country...

If you are unhappy with America why stay?


It's typical behavior for their age. Most of them will grow out of it. The real social misfits will not.


Well then in your opion there are alot of social misfits, other societies must be social misfits in your case.

There are many people who say why do americans act the way they do and we just say their american what do you expect.
How exactly do americans "act" that pisses the world off?

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2004, 02:13 PM
How exactly do americans "act" that pisses the world off?
All religions need a scapegoat.

[Professor Moneybags]

Why are they starving ? Perhaps you could answer it. When the Soviet Union collapsed production fell 60 per cent over 6 years, while today 36 Million Russians cannot afford to eat everyday. Why has the "free market" failed these people ?

Because they haven't bothered to implemented it. Absence of communism does not automatically mean that the gap must be filled with capitalism. Why are we not seeing 2 million starving in N. Korea and not in the US ?

[Maynard]

China is headed towards breakdown and in the near
future I really do'not forsee the americans breaking up.

Is there any particular evidence for this assertion ? The Chinese economy is growing rapidly at the moment. It isn't facing a too obvious military threat, the communist party's power over the populace is strong. As there is strong economic growth the calls for liberal democracy in that country will not be as strong either. How do you imagine it breaking up ?


All religions need a scapegoat.
You don't think anything the United States government has done or orginaztion affilated with the government, has caused any of this resentment ?


Because they haven't bothered to implemented it. Absence of communism does not automatically mean that the gap must be filled with capitalism. Why are we not seeing 2 million starving in N. Korea and not in the US ?
They did indeed implement it much like the American style economy, they were following IMF policies, which is of a Free market variety, while Japan, South Korea, China and all the economic tigers had huge growth with "planned" economies, while Eastern Europe, Argentina, Brazil, Russia have followed economic policies implemented by the IMF and have suffered a great deal. What would you propose Russia do then ?
Why must you assume that I'm a supporter of North Korea ? I'm not but there is over 2 million homeless in the United States anyway, which I presume are hungry. So that analogy doesn't even work.

[Hiero]

Im not religous, and lot of people see american citizens as arrogant and they americans dramatise everything movies, september 11 etc etc really pisses us off. America is really corny.

[DaCuBaN]

not just corny. So few seem to understand subtelty

Not all, but those who do never seem to come into the 'limelight'


All religions need a scapegoat.

Moneybags, this is the most insightful thing I've seen you post. It's so true it's unreal

Yes the US has done some pretty nasty things in her time, and yes they deserve criticised for it - but they are not alone in their 'evils'

It&#39;s a scenario that often does remind me of Nazi Germany late 1920&#39;s through 1938. <_< I wish that my fellow &#39;pinkos&#39; would drop this hate campaign and concentrate on the emancipation of the working class.

After all, if you are here because you hate america that doesn&#39;t make you a socialist.