are communists really suburban kids?

[Nas]

im looking for a topic that sounds kind of like that , i just want to know if the "communists" here are actually suburban kids

[Nas]

or can someone answer the question and tell me what most of the people reply

by the way im not a suburban kid, right now im in the lower class

[Fidelbrand]

What's the amusement in knowing the answer? Does it make them less qualified to embrace communism?

[New Tolerance]

There is another thread that addresses this from a while ago. Someone find it.

By the way... I AM rich and suburban, not sure if I still qualify for the "kid" part.

[New Tolerance]

Here you go: this is from Y2A's signature: (it's an earlier thread about this)

http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?a...=4&t=21398&st=0 (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=21398&st=0)

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

On this board maybe, at a meeting or whatever of a socialist party, prolly not.

[Invader Zim]

As it happens I dont live in Suburbia, I actually live out side it, in a village.

Though why it matters is beyond me.

[Fidel Castro]

I live on the outskirts of Edinburgh, in a council estate with my folks. I am lucky though, the estate I live in is quite nice without any real trouble, there are some nearby which are really rough.

Rich? Not really, both parents on below average income, myself with a part-time £200 a month job which I use to buy my own clothes, travel and other stuff.

I consider myself a socialist, and as a socialist I believe that the goal is to end class distinction and therefore class war, and I believe that it is the Working Class who, as the foundations which prop-up bourgoisie society, hold the key to bringing about the desired change.

Remember: Lenin, Castro and Marx himself did not rise from slums, they emerged from the Bourgoisie to embrace socialist thought.

[Y2A]

They get mad when I tell them the unsugarcoated truth.

The mindset of the average Che lives poster.

Political wiggers.....

*shrugs*

http://www.signal66.com/music/lostindc/00_0324b.html



WHITE PANTHER MANIFESTO
by John Sinclair, 1968.
Used by special personal permission of the author.


Not to be confused with any white supremacist or white power groups- quite the contrary. Our program is Cultural Revolution through a total assault on the culture, which makes us use every tool, every energy and any media we can get our collective hands on. We take our program with us everywhere we go and use any means necessary to expose people to it.
Our culture, our art, the music, newspapers, books, posters, our clothing, our homes, the way we walk and talk, the way our hair grows, the way we smoke dope and fuck and eat and sleep - it is all one message, and the message is FREEDOM!

We are the mother country madmen in charge of our own lives and we are taking this freedom to the people of America, in streets, in the ballrooms and teenclubs, in their front rooms watching TV, in their bedrooms reading underground newspapers, or masturbating, or smoking secret dope, in their schools where we come and talk to them or make our music, in their weird gymnasiums - they love it- We represent the only contemporary life-style in America for its kids and it should be known that THESE KIDS ARE READY !

They are ready to move but they don't know how, and all we do is show them that they can get away with it. BE FREE, goddamnit, and fuck them old dudes, is what we tell them, and they can see that we mean it. The only influences we have, the only thing that touches them, is that we are for real. We are FREE. We are a bunch of arrogant motherfuckers and we don't give a damn for any cop or any phony-ass authority control-addict creeps who want to put us down. For the first time in America there is a generation of visionary maniac white motherfucker country dope fiend rock and roll freaks who are ready to get down and kick out the jams - ALL THE JAMS - break everything loose and free everybody from their very real and imaginary prisons - even the chumps and punks and honkies who are always fucking with us. We demand total freedom for everybody! And we will not be stopped until we get it.

We are bad.

There's only two kinds of people on the planet: those who make up the problem and those who make up the solution. WE ARE THE SOLUTION. We have no problems. Everything is free for everybody. Money sucks. Leaders suck. School sucks. The white honkie culture that has been handed to us on a silver platter is meaningless to us! We don't want it!

Our program of rock and roll, dope and fucking in the streets is a program of total freedom for everyone. We are totally committed to carrying out our program. We breathe revolution. We are LSD driven total maniacs of the universe. We will do anything we can to drive people crazy out of their heads and into their bodies.

ROCK AND ROLL music is the spearhead of our attack because it is so effective and so much fun. We have developed organic high-energy guerrilla bands who are infiltrating the popular culture and destroying millions of minds in the process. With our music and our economic genius we plunder the unsuspecting straight world for money and the means to carry out our program, and revolutionize its children at the same time.

And with our entrance into the straight media we have demonstrated to the honkies that anything they do to fuck with us will be exposed to their children. We don't need to get rid of all the honkies, you just rob them of their replacements and let the breed atrophy and die out.

We don't have guns yet - not all of us anyway - because we have more powerful weapons - direct access to millions of teenagers is one of our most potent, and their belief in us is another. But we will use guns if we have to - we will do anything - if we have to.

We have no illusions. Knowing the power of symbols in the abstract world of Americans we have taken the White Panther as our mark to symbolize our strength and arrogance.

We're bad.


White Panther Party 10-Point Program

1. Full endorsement and support of Black Panther Party's 10-Point Program
2. Total assault on the culture by any means necessary, including rock n' roll, dope and fucking in the streets.
3. Free exchange of energy and materials -we demand the end of money!
4. Free food, clothes, housing, dope, music, bodies, medical care - everything free for everybody!
5. Free access to information media -free the technology from the greed creeps!
6. Free time and space for all humans -dissolve all unnatural boundaries.
7. Free all schools and all structures from corporate rule - turn the buildings over to the people at once!
8.. Free all prisoners everywhere - they are our brothers.
9. Free all soldiers at once - no more conscripted armies.
10. Free the people from their "leaders" - leaders suck - all power to all the people freedom means free everyone !
--John Sinclair Minister of Information White Panther Party November 1st, 1968

[Invader Zim]

Thats amazing Y2A, you can post a whole artical, and still not post anything remotly relevant.

Well done, have a prize.

[Y2A]

I use these boards to make fun of idiots like yourself. Why should I bother wasting time putting up a real arguement against communism when the responses I get are "kkkapitalism is evil" "U.$=Terrorists"?

[STI]

I'm "rich" and suburbian and white. It makes no FUCKING difference, though :angry: . My ideology is no less valid than yours, Y2A. Live with it.

[Y2A]

ST, as long as you don't use the words "bourgerious" "proletarian" "U.$" "KKKapitalist"...etc.... I got no problem with you. I also hate fags that try and hijack latin american culture by being whites and having Cuban flags and spanish poster names. No offence Nas, but that's my opinion.(Unless your actually Cuban)

[Y2A]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 12:53 AM
I'm "rich" and suburbian and white. It makes no FUCKING difference, though :angry: .
Get real. Yes it does.

[STI]

Originally posted by Y2A+Jun 3 2004, 12:59 AM--> (Y2A @ Jun 3 2004, 12:59 AM)
[email protected] 3 2004, 12:53 AM
I'm "rich" and suburbian and white. It makes no FUCKING difference, though :angry: .
Get real. Yes it does. [/b]
How?


ST, as long as you don't use the words "bourgerious" "proletarian" "U.$" "KKKapitalist"...etc.... I got no problem with you. I also hate fags that try and hijack latin american culture by being whites and having Cuban flags and spanish poster names. No offence Nas, but that's my opinion

'Bougeois' and 'Proletarian' are actual terms which refer to specific classes. As long as they're used in their correct context, there's really no problem with it.

And, the "hijacking" of latin american culture by the left is a by-product of the co-opting of latin american culture by Amerikan corporations. I own a "Che/Cuba" flag, but that has everything to do with politics and nothing to do with culture. I also own a Palestinian flag.

And using the word "fag" only makes you look "stupid".

[Y2A]

Talk to me in ......the other board.........(don't say anything bout it here)

[Maynard]

I bet the majority of rich people are capitalists, I would bet the majority of white people are capitalists, I would also bet that the majority of kids living suburbia are also capitalists. So, if it's enough to discredit communism, than surely the same should apply to capitalism. Not that it matters but my father is a maths teacher, my mum is a child care worker, we are by no means rich but we are not poor either. I go to University full time, gaining a bachelor of Economics. I'm very poor, in fact i'm in debt :)


Why should I bother wasting time putting up a real arguement against communism when the responses I get are "kkkapitalism is evil" "U.$=Terrorists"?

Why are you here then ? There are some people here who do that, there is ultimately a lot of people who will go through a "communism" phase before they move on, that is not represenstive of our total thought. There are plenty of people willing to engage in proper debate, if you want it.
There are some cringeworthy posts. You don't like the generalising of capitalists, why do the same to communists ?


I also hate fags that try and hijack latin american culture by being whites and having Cuban flags and spanish poster names
How is it hijacking the culture ? How do you know, for instance, they are not from Latin American themselves, which some here are.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 12:50 AM
I use these boards to make fun of idiots like yourself. Why should I bother wasting time putting up a real arguement against communism when the responses I get are "kkkapitalism is evil" "U.$=Terrorists"?
I use these boards to make fun of idiots like yourself.

So your a troll then.

And you are never going to be smarter than me.

Why should I bother wasting time putting up a real arguement against communism

Well as you dont have the intelect too, its kind of a pointless question.

when the responses I get are "kkkapitalism is evil" "U.$=Terrorists"?

Well you show me where I have said "kkkapitalism is evil" "U.$=Terrorists".

[synthesis]

This is ridiculous. Y2A has yet to explain why rejecting one's wealthy upbringing to embrace a revolutionary standpoint is "bad"; his argument is simply ridicule without logic or reason, as if the fact that some leftist sympathizers come from privileged backgrounds completely discredits all Marxist ideology.

Funnier still is the fact that he is attempting to use replies from a message board to discredit the movement. If I wanted to, I could say that I'm from Kenya, or El Salvador, or Thailand, or that I am a poor, struggling black/Latino, and everyone else could follow my example. News flash: It's the fucking Internet. Personal details don't mean shit.


Why should I bother wasting time putting up a real arguement against communism when the responses I get are "kkkapitalism is evil" "U.$=Terrorists"?

Probably because those of us who have more experience with debating are already tired of disproving the same seven arguments you capitalists use over and over and over again.

[Maynard]

DyerMaker makes a great point. If we were all poor here, would that suddenly make our ideas more or less valid ? lucid has always said we are losers who are "jealous". So either way, our socio economic positions will always be a way to discredit us, when it shouldn't make any difference. This is an internet message board, there will, of course be plenty of people who are somewhat well off. There won't be many Maoist rebels here but in no way does that discredit our beliefs, just as it wouldn’t capitalists.




Probably because those of us who have more experience with debating are already tired of disproving the same seven arguments you capitalists use over and over and over again.
Another great point for every kkkkapitalist remark or u$ = terrorist, there is a Hitler was a communist !! Human Nature makes______ impossible, Communism has killed 60000 billion people, you are hypocrites for using a computer ! move to Cuba ! All hardly intellectual arguments.

[Fidelbrand]

comrades, i know the reason now.

Fucking vicious circularity leading to no fucking where.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Political wiggers.....



so what exactly is a "wigger" son? Were you trying to say white kids that act like "niggers"?

Perhaps you would like to explain what exactly consitutes acting like a "nigger".

C'mon boy, you have a couple warning points left, why not use them up now and get it over with.

Scumbag.

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 01:22 AM
I bet the majority of rich people are capitalists, I would bet the majority of white people are capitalists, I would also bet that the majority of kids living suburbia are also capitalists.
Actually, more than half of the top 1% rich people vote democrat. I'll see if I can find the source. I think it was about 60% of them.

[BOZG]

Just goes to show that there's no difference between Republicans and Democrats. =D

[New Tolerance]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 09:08 PM
Just goes to show that there's no difference between Republicans and Democrats. =D
Agreed, if you bring Steven Harper to the United States the Republicans will call him a Democrat. (They'll be like: "This is your right-wing extremist??! What's the hell is up with Canada? or should I say Soviet-Canada-Stan?")

[Y2A]

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 3 2004, 08:13 PM

Political wiggers.....



so what exactly is a "wigger" son? Were you trying to say white kids that act like "niggers"?

Perhaps you would like to explain what exactly consitutes acting like a "nigger".

C'mon boy, you have a couple warning points left, why not use them up now and get it over with.

Scumbag.
What does it matter? I know more blacks then this entire board combined. Just because I'm not some PC white boy from the suburbs I'm a "racist". Give me a break.

I see that you have been banned, what did RAF do?

[synthesis]

Using the term wigger is racist. You are saying, without even the typical liberal goosestepping, that there is a way "niggers" act and that a white person is disgracing himself by behaving like a "nigger."

You're not alone, though, this term is somehow considered widely acceptable in mainstream usage, even in Northern liberal strongholds. Yet another indicator of how far we've come since segregation :rolleyes:


I know more blacks then this entire board combined.

As long as we're playing by Internet make-believe rules, several people on this board have traveled to Africa, one on a Peace Corps humanitarian mission, so I highly doubt that, not to mention the fact that we have more minority members than any Internet forum I've ever seen.

[Y2A]

I'm such a racist bastard. I indeed deserve to die.

[synthesis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 05:45 PM
I'm such a racist bastard. I indeed deserve to die.
No, all you deserve is the Clockwork Orange treatment.

[Y2A]

Naw, I think I'm evil to the point where I deserve to be killed by morally upstanding kids from homogenous neighborhoods.

[Guest1]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 08:29 PM
What does it matter? I know more blacks then this entire board combined.
"I'm not racist, my best friend's black!"

Yeah, that makes it all better <_<

[Y2A]

Yep.

[Misodoctakleidist]

This is stupid, if the majority of members on this board were poor you&#39;d say; "you&#39;re all just jealous and and lazy so you want to get all our money without working for it blah blah"

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2004, 02:39 AM

I know more blacks then this entire board combined.

As long as we&#39;re playing by Internet make-believe rules, several people on this board have traveled to Africa, one on a Peace Corps humanitarian mission, so I highly doubt that, not to mention the fact that we have more minority members than any Internet forum I&#39;ve ever seen.
Who are the peace corp guys? There are some peace corp working with me?

And actually, there are 2 openly gay members of this board. Out of an active membership of at least 200 thats only 1%. Its nothing.

[Hate Is Art]

why has RAF been banned?

[lucid]

I ignore pretty much everything you say.

[Y2A]

Originally posted by The Anarchist Tension+Jun 4 2004, 09:20 AM--> (The Anarchist Tension @ Jun 4 2004, 09:20 AM)
[email protected] 4 2004, 02:39 AM

I know more blacks then this entire board combined.

As long as we&#39;re playing by Internet make-believe rules, several people on this board have traveled to Africa, one on a Peace Corps humanitarian mission, so I highly doubt that, not to mention the fact that we have more minority members than any Internet forum I&#39;ve ever seen.
Who are the peace corp guys? There are some peace corp working with me?

And actually, there are 2 openly gay members of this board. Out of an active membership of at least 200 thats only 1%. Its nothing. [/b]
That depends on what the ratio of gays to population is. Anyone know?

[fuerzasocialista]

Just because you live in the suburbs doesn&#39;t mean you are priviledged. I don&#39;t know where people keep getting that idea. When my family moved to the subs, we had to work are asses off to make ends meet and till this day, we still do. Couple that with all the racist bullshit I had to grow up with and still contend with until this very fuckin moment and its not very difficult to see how I started developing leftist ideologies. Not to mention all the time I spent in the Dominican Republic as a kid and an adult where there is a rich revolutionary history and quite a few leftist movements.

[synthesis]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 4 2004, 02:20 AM
Who are the peace corp guys? There are some peace corp working with me?

Uh, what?

You were the person I was referring to.


And actually, there are 2 openly gay members of this board. Out of an active membership of at least 200 thats only 1%. Its nothing.

It is at least my impression that there is a huge bisexual population on Che-Lives, although it could simply be that way only from my standpoint.

That is true, though, Che-Lives does have a dearth of &#39;strict&#39; homosexuals. Still, it has the largest minority population, percentage-wise, of any board I&#39;ve ever seen, with the exception of boards that cater specifically to minorities.

[DarkAngel]

Are cappies really rich white middle aged republican men?

ANSWER: Probobly so... :lol: :D

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Y2A+Jun 4 2004, 10:34 PM--> (Y2A @ Jun 4 2004, 10:34 PM)
Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 4 2004, 09:20 AM

[email protected] 4 2004, 02:39 AM

I know more blacks then this entire board combined.

As long as we&#39;re playing by Internet make-believe rules, several people on this board have traveled to Africa, one on a Peace Corps humanitarian mission, so I highly doubt that, not to mention the fact that we have more minority members than any Internet forum I&#39;ve ever seen.
Who are the peace corp guys? There are some peace corp working with me?

And actually, there are 2 openly gay members of this board. Out of an active membership of at least 200 thats only 1%. Its nothing.
That depends on what the ratio of gays to population is. Anyone know? [/b]
Apparently it&#39;s 1 in 10

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2004, 04:24 AM
Uh, what?

You were the person I was referring to.
I don&#39;t work for Peace Corp, I work for ADPP.


It is at least my impression that there is a huge bisexual population on Che-Lives, although it could simply be that way only from my standpoint.

This is true.


That is true, though, Che-Lives does have a dearth of &#39;strict&#39; homosexuals. Still, it has the largest minority population, percentage-wise, of any board I&#39;ve ever seen, with the exception of boards that cater specifically to minorities.

This also.

Comrade James should make another Che-Lives census&#33;

[Y2A]

Wow, one in ten&#33; That&#39;s alot, I never would have expect that large a population of gays.

[New Tolerance]

Did that ratio increase over the course of human history??? or has it always been the same ratio? I mean, I don&#39;t remember there being a significant number of historical records that mentioned gay people...

[Y2A]

Originally posted by New [email protected] 5 2004, 06:01 PM
Did that ratio increase over the course of human history??? or has it always been the same ratio? I mean, I don&#39;t remember there being a significant number of historical records that mentioned gay people...
I think that is incorrect. As historically homosexuality has been look down upon, by religon and society. There are not much historical records held on the populus that was homosexual. At least that is my understanding. But 1 in 10 sounds pretty large. Are you sure that&#39;s correct AT? Do you have a source?

[synthesis]

I don&#39;t work for Peace Corp, I work for ADPP.

Well, I was mistaken then. My apologies :)

[The Feral Underclass]

No, I have no source. Someone said 1 in 10 then someone said 1 in 14, but I cant remember who, and why?

You are forgiven Senor DyerMaker

[Osman Ghazi]

I think that is incorrect. As historically homosexuality has been look down upon, by religon and society. There are not much historical records held on the populus that was homosexual. At least that is my understanding. But 1 in 10 sounds pretty large. Are you sure that&#39;s correct AT? Do you have a source?


It was frowned upon but it didn&#39;t make people straight, they just didn&#39;t tell anyone that they were gay, hence there not being such a high proportion of gay historical figures.

[STI]

Originally posted by Professor Moneybags+Jun 3 2004, 09:06 PM--> (Professor Moneybags @ Jun 3 2004, 09:06 PM)
[email protected] 3 2004, 01:22 AM
I bet the majority of rich people are capitalists, I would bet the majority of white people are capitalists, I would also bet that the majority of kids living suburbia are also capitalists.
Actually, more than half of the top 1% rich people vote democrat. I&#39;ll see if I can find the source. I think it was about 60% of them. [/b]
The democrats are capitalist. Fucking tool. :rolleyes:

I&#39;d comment further, but you don&#39;t deserve it.

[Guerilla22]

I&#39;d like to point out that Fidel Castro was part of the petty burgeois, educated class in Cuba, he wasn&#39;t poor, his parents paid his way trough law school. Che wasn&#39;t exactly poor himself growing up. Perhpas even more pertinent is that Freidrich Engles himself came from a very wealthy family. His Father owned several factories. Was Engles a fake communist? As long as you embrace the idelogy it shouldn&#39;t matter where you come from.

[DaCuBaN]

As long as you embrace the idelogy it shouldn&#39;t matter where you come from

Indeed - you will be welcomed with open arms. This does not mean you should be calling yourself a communist though. Until you are actively involved in the emancipation of the working class as a member of the working class you will always be a hypocrite.

This by no means intimates you are unwelcome, but it must be accepted that most of the &#39;keyboard commies&#39; still have a long way to go.

[Y2A]

Wow, I pissed off alot of people&#33; Damn I&#39;m good&#33;

[Guerilla22]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2004, 12:39 AM

As long as you embrace the idelogy it shouldn&#39;t matter where you come from

Indeed - you will be welcomed with open arms. This does not mean you should be calling yourself a communist though. Until you are actively involved in the emancipation of the working class as a member of the working class you will always be a hypocrite.

This by no means intimates you are unwelcome, but it must be accepted that most of the &#39;keyboard commies&#39; still have a long way to go.
You definitely have a point there. I do not call myself a communist, because I live in America and practice capatilism everyday. However, I would consider myself as a socialist because I have spent time in Central America trying to help the Maya as much as I could. And in 2 years after I ear my degree from the University of Colorado I will join the peace corps. There are actually very few people who have and are currently true communist and most of those people are dead.

[Hawker]

Not me.I live in a middle class neighborhood,but before this my family was poor.I grew up in a small fishing village in Bataan,Philippines.My family was poor,but luckly we managed to scrap up enough money to go to the US and start out a new life.

[Palmares]

I swear there is only one &#39;famous&#39; commie/socialist who was from the proletariat. Personally, I&#39;m now proletariat (I&#39;m a student living away from home), but when I was with my parents still, I was petty bourgeoisie.

[DaCuBaN]

I live on under £10,000 (US&#036;17,000) a year - so where does that put me? ;)

[percept¡on]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2004, 07:35 AM
Personally, I&#39;m now proletariat (I&#39;m a student living away from home), but when I was with my parents still, I was petty bourgeoisie.
Being &#39;proletarian&#39; is not a weekend retreat. You don&#39;t go off to college and join the working class. You come from well-off parents, you are &#39;slumming it&#39; while you get your college degree which will land you a job doing something very un-proletarian.

[Pete]

I grew up in a farming town, spent a few summers working in the forests of northern Ontario, and now live (paying my own rent and food) in urban (no &#39;sub&#39; here) Ottawa. So, for me atleast, no we are not all suburban kids

[Guerilla22]

of course, when you are young, as I am, it would be untrue to say that you still don&#39;t have anything to learn.

[Guerilla22]

unfortunate

[Guerilla22]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2004, 06:26 PM
I live on under £10,000 (US&#036;17,000) a year - so where does that put me? ;)
The majority of the world earns &#036;4,000 US a year and under. Consider yourself lucky.

[DaCuBaN]

The majority of the world earns &#036;4,000 US a year and under. Consider yourself lucky.

I do.

Pity in my country the average wage is around £22,000 at the moment.

[Guerilla22]

All the intelligent people in the western world do consider themselves to be lucky. There is nothing I hate more here in America than listening to someone, who comes from a household that is bringing in &#036;40,000 a year complain about their life.

[BOZG]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2004, 09:08 PM
The majority of the world earns &#036;4,000 US a year and under. Consider yourself lucky.
You have to take into account the cost of living in each country. Most of the world actually lives on less than that anyway.

[truthaddict11]

i just moved to the western chicago suburbs, does that really change my economic or political status? or do some people think that the poor only exist in cities.

[Nas]

dont get me wrong but i wasnt trying to be classist (if thats a word) , i just wanted to know who is more political conscious , the middle class or lower class?, well in theory i guess the lower class is where we (pro-socialists/pro-communists) get our support from but if they dont have a clue to whats going on then where are we going to get our support from???


i think most of you answered that you come from the middle class, which i dont have a problem with , i just wanted to know who im talking to , thats all

[Rasta Sapian]

yes your right some commies and anarchists are suburbanites, some is the key word, most kids are brainwashed by the media and their own parents, they are looking forword to new cars and establishing themselves as vain individuals.

for those of you who come from the suburbs, kudo&#39;s to you for waking up from your consumeristic upbringing, and exploring the world for all of its ideologies&#33;

peace yall

[Eastside Revolt]

Y2A,

It&#39;s amasing that you could post that whole entire white panther platform and not have understood a damn word.

[DaCuBaN]

dont get me wrong but i wasnt trying to be classist (if thats a word) , i just wanted to know who is more political conscious , the middle class or lower class?

If we try to advocate a classless society, the first step is to ourselves accept that there is no difference between the classes - to expunge the idea of the working class, the capitalists and so on, and simply look at the two camps that are of relevance to us - our supporters and our opposition.

I believe this is what was meant when the phrase &#39;revolution of the mind&#39; was coined

*EDIT*
People do not readily fit into pigeonholes, so it would seem to be logical to not try and put them there.