Free Northern Ireland! - What is your oppinion?

[MaQuIs]

Just posting here to see what the opinions (if any) that those out there have on a free Northern Ireland? Post whatever you would like. Why you support/are against this, your political/religious oppinion on the matter, etc.

Friend or foe, let's here what you have to say.



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[Supermodel]

First off, Northern Ireland is not non-free. It is very free. The irish republic is enslaved by the catholic church, but that's a different topic.

Secondly, I think it is only a matter of time before NI goes to the polls on uniting ireland, whereupon the republicans of the south will suddenly discover they have 2 million cold and angry people to deal with. At that point all the rhetoric about the south wanting the north back will vanish.

The invasion of northern protestants will end the Roman rule of Ireland once and for all and Ireland will be free for the first time since Patrick.

After the roman catholoic church is ousted from power, Ireland has a real chance of being a social democracy and one of the finest countries on earth.

[Anonymous]

Moskitto, the Catholic Church and the Irish Government are no longer ENSLAVED the church has 'nearly' no say in what goes on at all, 2 million ppl closer to one million last i heard not much of a diff like, Ireland is one of the finest ountries on earth but it needs to get rid of some of the stupid fucking laws it has

[Angie]

I don't know how plausible the idea is, but I've been thinking for quite a while now that if Northern Ireland cannot sort itself out on it's own, then perhaps making it an International Nation is an alternative option - at least until a later period when a better situation can be devised.

By International Nation, I mean that it would come under the Jurisdiction of some international body, not it's own parliament. Neither the Catholics nor the Protestants would have "superiority" nor "ownership" over Northern Ireland, therefore taking away their need to bicker on political levels. That does not take away their right and/or ability to remain living there, though.

However, the current problem with that is that the United Nations - as grand as it's initial ideals were - isn't currently entirely living up to expectations and needs some improvements done before it can step into such a role as a long-term 'caretaker' of a nation. Such a body would be required to be 100% international, not 90% one nation and 10% all the others. It would also have to be 100% unbiased towards the plight of the people living with the nation they're overseeing. No "taking sides".

Other places that could come under the jurisdiction of an international body could include Jerusalem, Kashmir, and possibly even Tibet. I'm sure there are heaps of others out there.

[komsomol]

I am Scottish and I dont care if we gain independence, as long as our part of the UK is spoken for. As far as Northern Ireland goes, the people dont want to leave the united kingdom, so I have to be against its uniting with the rest of Ireland at this point. I do however, think that the monarchy should be gotten rid of.

P.S Ulster is full of bloody sectarian idiots.

[MaQuIs]

The current catholic population in N. Ireland is 49%, and that percentage grows every year, even the once famous protestant stronghold which shut it's gates and proclaimed that the catholic enemy would never breah it's gates (I can't remember the name of the place, some help anyone?) is majority catholic (out of the 95,000 population there I think about only 25,000 are protestant).

Religion has first of all got to taken out of the picture before anything can be accomplished, as catholics are republicans and protestants are unionists. But to try and seperate religion from this delicate matter is impossible. The catholics (the ones in N. Ireland that I have talked with) want independance and to be part of the Irish republic, naturally bercause they would and do not want a protestant goverment running them, and because in it's long history with England, Catholics have always been treated by 2nd class citizens and have been shot, killed, raped, etc. for the longest time.

Protestants want to remain in the United Kingdom (the ones that I have talked with) wish this because for one being protestant in a catholic run country would not only be dangerous but also if catholics were to gain power (as the protestants had in old times) then they fear that they would be the ones to be treated as 2nd class citizens, having the tables turned on them.

I'm not trying to make this a religious issue, but at it's heart you cannot seperate the religious issue from the heart of the matter. I mean in many areas in N. Ireland at the request of the people fences and walls have been erected to seperate protestant and catholic from one another so as to keep the violence down.

The Catholics (besides having doctrinal differences and beliefs, I won't go into them right now) resent having the monarchy (the queen, who is head of the Angilican church) telling them how to run things and being ruled by someone who they have no alligance to (as Catholics have the Pope as the head of their church) religiously.

It is political as it is religious, that is how I see it, and you ask any Northern Irish citizen and they will tell you the same.

[MaQuIs]

The current catholic population in N. Ireland is 49%, and that percentage grows every year, even the once famous protestant stronghold which shut it's gates and proclaimed that the catholic enemy would never breah it's gates (I can't remember the name of the place, some help anyone?) is majority catholic (out of the 95,000 population there I think about only 25,000 are protestant).

Religion has first of all got to taken out of the picture before anything can be accomplished, as catholics are republicans and protestants are unionists. But to try and seperate religion from this delicate matter is impossible. The catholics (the ones in N. Ireland that I have talked with) want independance and to be part of the Irish republic, naturally bercause they would and do not want a protestant goverment running them, and because in it's long history with England, Catholics have always been treated by 2nd class citizens and have been shot, killed, raped, etc. for the longest time.

Protestants want to remain in the United Kingdom (the ones that I have talked with) wish this because for one being protestant in a catholic run country would not only be dangerous but also if catholics were to gain power (as the protestants had in old times) then they fear that they would be the ones to be treated as 2nd class citizens, having the tables turned on them.

I'm not trying to make this a religious issue, but at it's heart you cannot seperate the religious issue from the heart of the matter. I mean in many areas in N. Ireland at the request of the people fences and walls have been erected to seperate protestant and catholic from one another so as to keep the violence down.

The Catholics (besides having doctrinal differences and beliefs, I won't go into them right now) resent having the monarchy (the queen, who is head of the Angilican church) telling them how to run things and being ruled by someone who they have no alligance to (as Catholics have the Pope as the head of their church) religiously.

As the years progress and the population becomes more and more twords wanting fredom from British imperialism, then the more the voices of those who wish N. Irleand to be free will be heard.

[Moskitto]

Hey! I didn't post that, that was Supermodel. I only just started reading this topic and I thought, I never posted here. I think...

[Anonymous]

My bad moskitto not meant for you.

[saorise]

MaQuIs-
Protestants in the Republic are treated exactly the same as the Catholics- how would it be dangerous for them to be part of a united Ireland?
and MOLOCH
How many people from the north have you talked to?
also Angie why should an International body be brought in to police my country would you accept that in your country?

[Menshevik]

Nothern Ireland should become part of the republic. The Catholic Church does not have as much power as it used to--in fact, most younger Irish are turning away from the Church, especially because of recent events. Irish Protestant/Irish Catholic violence against each other has really dropped. . . it's the British military that's a problem. I see a free Northern Ireland on the horizon.

[revolutionary spirit]

some people here seem to think there is trouble in the north because mainly of catholic and protestant fueding.What is the cause of the troubles is of a class nature.Rich scottish barons[who happen to be protestant] coming over to ireland and throwing the peaseants[catholics] of their land.That is the cause of the fighting.So it came for the peaseant that it was a protestant who was throwing him off his land,raping his wife,and sending his child down a fucking mine.The war is of a class nature,look at people like wolfe tonne and connolly

[SU37]

Quote: from Supermodel on 10:22 pm on Mar. 21, 2002
First off, Northern Ireland is not non-free. It is very free. The irish republic is enslaved by the catholic church, but that's a different topic.

Secondly, I think it is only a matter of time before NI goes to the polls on uniting ireland, whereupon the republicans of the south will suddenly discover they have 2 million cold and angry people to deal with. At that point all the rhetoric about the south wanting the north back will vanish.

The invasion of northern protestants will end the Roman rule of Ireland once and for all and Ireland will be free for the first time since Patrick.

After the roman catholoic church is ousted from power, Ireland has a real chance of being a social democracy and one of the finest countries on earth.
The catholic chrunch doesn't enslave the irish people.Protestansts want to be a part of the UK and catholics want a Ireland free of british rule,so if the catholics have no power there will be no ireland,just a british controled UK state full of protestansts.Also catholicism is Ireland native reglion,Protestansts came to Ireland and start to murder people and take land.The IRA may be killing ,but a least there killing for a reason,IRA[catholics] want there land back.Also the British Miltary have no right to be in Ireland.

(Edited by SU37 at 4:26 pm on May 16, 2002)

[ID2002]

they are free! I was in Northern Ireland, and I got shot at, and watched kids getting killed in the streets.
I have no respect for the IRA or the Orange Order.
They are both stupid fools! They lack respect! They fight over religion!