next socialist republic?

[socialistfuture]

Where is the most likely place for a revolution to be completed? Venezuela is in the stages of it. Spain elected a semi leftist goverment. Scotland has a rapidly growing socialist movement. Italy has a strong history of socialism/communism - 300,000 marched in Genoa! England has a large anti capitalist/anti war movement but cant shake of torrie and neolabour clones.

Who will be next.. to join the red ranks and why? Cuba is getting lonely.

[h&s]

The U$ would never let reds get in anywhere in the UK :angry:
Italy stands no chance with Berlusconi the fascist in power.
I suppose Spain has a very good chance - they have a history of anarchists in catalunya.

[Comrade Raz]

Counties in the grip of struggle, with leftist fighters are NEpal, Philapennes(Spelling), Clombia and Venezula. There are probably more but these are the ones im most aware of. I'd say theat Venezula is probably the most likely.

I can't see a major international nation like Spain going any further to the left than it's current government. The US and the capitalist international community would not allow it.

[Louis Pio]

Counties in the grip of struggle, with leftist fighters are NEpal, Philapennes(Spelling), Clombia and Venezula.

Well there's no guerillas in Venezuela if that's what you mean. They got killed along time ago because of their tactics. And in the Phillipines the socalled "people's war groups" are pretty dead too. Most of them abandoned maoism, because it lead them to disaster. In my oppinion it is not the job of a small group of honest but rather confused people to start a guerilla war. It just get's them killed and end up in a deathlock. Rather a revolution will be build on the masses, as can happen in Venezuela. So the job of revolutionaries must be to work in the unions and traditional organisations spreading our ideas and getting recognition so people will listen to us when the time comes.

[fernando]

Italy...well I wouldnt count too much on that, its a surprise already that Berlusconi is in power for such a long time, they normally change government every week there I think :P

[h&s]

Its because Berlusconi owns most of the media - he's like Murdoch wearing a politians suit!
Anyway Columbia has given up with communism - FARC just kidnap people and deal drugs now.
Hang on a minute, is that just U$ propaganda? I don't know what to believe anymore! :angry:

[Colombia]

The only country I can even imagine becoming socialist is Venezuela. The US will never let a country fall to the socialists. You need only to look at Guatemala.

[Comrade Raz]

And in the Phillipines the socalled "people's war groups" are pretty dead too.

I saw a program on the BBC and it seemed pretty alive. As for the FARC, i'd say they are pretty fucked up in the drugs underworld, and they kidnap innocents but i do still belive they are marxist in ideology and would aim to implement a socialist republic (however distorted) if they came to power.

[VincentValentine]

I think Nepal is on the brink of becoming a maoist/communist country, shouldnt be too long now.

[Kez]

I think we must be ready for a revolution in Venezuela, and i urge everyone to do something now, no excuses, no tiredness, please, we should all do something for the "next socialist republic".

[fernando]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 2 2004, 06:21 PM

And in the Phillipines the socalled "people's war groups" are pretty dead too.

I saw a program on the BBC and it seemed pretty alive. As for the FARC, i'd say they are pretty fucked up in the drugs underworld, and they kidnap innocents but i do still belive they are marxist in ideology and would aim to implement a socialist republic (however distorted) if they came to power.
I dont mind if they deal drugs, the thing that does bother me is the kidnapping and killings of innocents. Dont kill the innocent people of the country they are fighting in, kill those american soldiers and companies who are sucking the land dry

[Kez]

but who suffer from drugs?

the working people of the USA and colombia...

If FARC want money, let them win the masses over and get monthly donations from them

[Louis Pio]

saw a program on the BBC and it seemed pretty alive.

Well there has been quite big splits in the movement. Some want's to continue "people's war" (funny thing to call it when the backing of the people is missing...) while others want to return to marxism and build on the workers, thus not trying to substitute the fight of the masses.

[Comrade Mathew]

If there would be a revolution in venezuela i dont think the US hast the troop capacity to intfear with troop support... maybe weapons. As long as they are still that present in iraq (what wont change for years) they even think about instating the draft! I think the protest in the own country would be too big even though its communist so in their eyes bad.

[fernando]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2004, 06:53 PM
but who suffer from drugs?

the working people of the USA and colombia...

If FARC want money, let them win the masses over and get monthly donations from them
I didnt mean selling to their own population, let them sell it to the US or Europe, to put it in capitalist words "its an open market, waiting to e exploited" they want cocain...ok let them have it, only it will be the farmers and workers who will get payed for it. Not some druglord who sits on his ass doing nothing and maybe kill a bunch of people because they might be a threat to him.

And if FARC would get the masses behind them, which also means part of the militairy, they wouldnt need money because they have all the support to overthrow a government...I think

[VincentValentine]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 2 2004, 07:37 PM
If there would be a revolution in venezuela i dont think the US hast the troop capacity to intfear with troop support... maybe weapons. As long as they are still that present in iraq (what wont change for years) they even think about instating the draft! I think the protest in the own country would be too big even though its communist so in their eyes bad.
I think the yankee troops are spread out quite thinly, I heared they moved a load of troops based in South Korea into Iraq.

Kill zem, kill zem all.....

[Comrade Raz]

Well there has been quite big splits in the movement. Some want's to continue "people's war" (funny thing to call it when the backing of the people is missing...) while others want to return to marxism and build on the workers, thus not trying to substitute the fight of the masses.


Sorry i was unaware of this.

As for FARC, there is no piont in the fight if they dont have the support of the poulation, even though its one of the biggest movements in thye world.


Well there's no guerillas in Venezuela if that's what you mean. They got killed along time ago because of their tactics

I'm aware of this, i simply meant that there is revolutionary potential in Venezuela.

[Louis Pio]

I'm aware of this, i simply meant that there is revolutionary potential in Venezuela.

Yes indeed, a very big potential.

[Fidel Castro]

The situation in Scotland is quite different, the only chance socialism has to florish here is through the democratic arena, simply because any attempt at violent revolution would lack popular support and be quickly crushed by the government.

[Louis Pio]

The situation in Scotland is quite different, the only chance socialism has to florish here is through the democratic arena, simply because any attempt at violent revolution would lack popular support and be quickly crushed by the government.

But socialism through parliament would also face reaction. So it would have to be defended, violent if neccesary. The bourgiosie don't accept Democracy when it's against them, that's an important point. It's the bourgiosie that starts the violence, just as they have been doing in Venezuela

[bunk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2004, 06:25 PM
I think we must be ready for a revolution in Venezuela, and i urge everyone to do something now, no excuses, no tiredness, please, we should all do something for the "next socialist republic".
what do you propose we do? What do you mean?, putting up posters and handing out leaflets?

[Colombia]

Originally posted by VincentValentine+Jun 2 2004, 09:35 PM--> (VincentValentine @ Jun 2 2004, 09:35 PM)
Comrade [email protected] 2 2004, 07:37 PM
If there would be a revolution in venezuela i dont think the US hast the troop capacity to intfear with troop support... maybe weapons. As long as they are still that present in iraq (what wont change for years) they even think about instating the draft! I think the protest in the own country would be too big even though its communist so in their eyes bad.
I think the yankee troops are spread out quite thinly, I heared they moved a load of troops based in South Korea into Iraq.

Kill zem, kill zem all..... [/b]
Only about 850 US troops have died in Iraq and Afghanistan.This is a mere amount to how many soldiers the US has.I doubt the US has it's line very thin.

[Kez]

Originally posted by crossfire+Jun 3 2004, 02:15 PM--> (crossfire @ Jun 3 2004, 02:15 PM)
[email protected] 2 2004, 06:25 PM
I think we must be ready for a revolution in Venezuela, and i urge everyone to do something now, no excuses, no tiredness, please, we should all do something for the "next socialist republic".
what do you propose we do? What do you mean?, putting up posters and handing out leaflets? [/b]
Not only this but using the leaflets and posters to discuss with workers and students and tell them what is happening in Venezuela is not unique, but a situation which arises with capitalism, and try to win them over.

[solo_ar]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2004, 06:25 PM
I think we must be ready for a revolution in Venezuela, and i urge everyone to do something now, no excuses, no tiredness, please, we should all do something for the "next socialist republic".
sure buddy. you're going to go fly there and fight? send me a post card. man so many internet heroes here.

[solo_ar]

Originally posted by Kez+Jun 3 2004, 06:26 PM--> (Kez @ Jun 3 2004, 06:26 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 02:15 PM

[email protected] 2 2004, 06:25 PM
I think we must be ready for a revolution in Venezuela, and i urge everyone to do something now, no excuses, no tiredness, please, we should all do something for the "next socialist republic".
what do you propose we do? What do you mean?, putting up posters and handing out leaflets?
Not only this but using the leaflets and posters to discuss with workers and students and tell them what is happening in Venezuela is not unique, but a situation which arises with capitalism, and try to win them over. [/b]
and that accomplishes what? convincing someone you work with venezeula needs to be socialist, accomplishes what?

[Kez]

who the fuck is this prick?

what it accomplishes is it raises class consiousness of the workers internationally, as well as sending solidarity and raising vital funds for the fighting over there.

I didnt know i had to explain it as such a basic level, obviously id overlooked dicks like you. My apologies

[fuerzasocialista]

Next Socialist Republic eh??? After I finish my travels in Europe I'm gonna go back to the Dominican Republic and start a revolution. I'll show you a Socialist state!!!

[Conghaileach]

Originally posted by hammer&[email protected] 2 2004, 09:05 AM
I suppose Spain has a very good chance - they have a history of anarchists in catalunya.
Catalunya is a spearate nation from Spain. The Catalan people have their own history and culture. Just like the Basques.

[18tir]

Where is the most likely place for a revolution to be completed?

I predict that a revolution will happen in Iran very soon. The situation there isn't getting any better. The hard-liners staged a virtual coup d'etat and stole the parliament from the reformists. The mullahs use the religious police to beat up and imprison anyone who who protests their despotic rule. Millions of people are unemployed and most of the people are living in poverty. The people are really pissed off.

What will probably happen is a popular uprising which will throw out the mullahs and lead to a secular democratic government. From there on, the country could move towards socialism.

[Guerilla22]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 2 2004, 07:37 PM
If there would be a revolution in venezuela i dont think the US hast the troop capacity to intfear with troop support... maybe weapons. As long as they are still that present in iraq (what wont change for years) they even think about instating the draft! I think the protest in the own country would be too big even though its communist so in their eyes bad.
Yeah, unfortunately I think the US can pretty much dictate the government of almost any Latin American governmnet, with the exception of Cuba, by offering and pulling away aid and by using the OAS and IMF/WTO. Not to mention the CIA.

[DaCuBaN]

Venezuale could have the US by the balls though... certainly of all the Latin American countries I would think it would have the best chance of popular revolt

Personally though, I'm beginning to think socialism is dead...

[renwan]

Nepal would be the next to join the great communism.

http://rwor.org/s/dispatch-e.htm

is a very interesting read about the Nepal revolution and stuff like that, enjoy it^^

[renwan]

by the way i am from Spain specifically from Barcelona in the State of Catalunya, and let me correct you:

first: Catalunya is a State of Spain and not a separate country, netiher is the Pais Basco or in english Pais Basque.

second: in catalunya and Pais Basque we speak our native language + everyone knows spanish.

thris: no way Spain will become communist neither really socialis, the party in power is the Socialist Party but is more a central party is not a real socialist one, it beliefs are bassed mostly in Cpitalism they have no Socialism nor Communism views nor relation with it. I will post a more extended text below i hope you will understand better that Spain has no choice to become socialist nor communist.

the PSOE(now in power) in not really a Socialist Party, they take 100 times more care for Social,Educational and Sanitary systems than PP(before in power, PP means Popular Party) did, PP just incereased the economy grow by puting the country's debt into the States Companies (TVE1 television Channel and RENFE trains and shit like that) so now that companies have a big debt and the PSOE is willing to clear it out but if they do spain will spend 1% more than what its income is and that can create an easy response from the PP who will acuse them to steal the money and shit like that and then in 2008 PP will win again, and i hate this the PCE (Partido Comunista de España=Comunist party of Spain) and the PCOE= Worker's Communist Spanish Party) didnt even get 1 representant in the Parliament, we need some really communist parties here cuz that 2 are just bullshit! by the way last time that PSOE was in power finished in 1996 the 75% of its high powers stole a lot of money so people votes PP becasue they r pretty scared of the PSOE to steal again not becasue PP is good just because there is nothing else.

so basically there are this parties in Spain:
PP=Popular Party that is right winged. takes more care of the economy than the people, allies with USA always and have strong relations.
PSOE= Socialist Party of the Workers of Spain that is central winged. takes more care for the people than for economy. have no real relatio with the USA.
ERC= Republican from Catalonia(Catalunya) is left winged but with no realtion to communism nor socialism all what they want is to abolish monarchy. no relation with USA. leftist party
CiU= nationalist party of Catalonia(Catalunya) no relation with USA. defined as a right party(in case i expressed my self incorrectly they r like the opposite of a leftisit i dont know the exact word)
IU= the greens, want to abolish monarchy and take more care of the enviroment.
no relation with USA. leftist party.
PNV= nationalist party of pais Basque, defined as a central(neither right nor left) party.
PCOE= Communist party of the workers of spain, not even 1 seat on the parliament, they r pretty bad organizing their party.
PCE= communist party of Spain not even 1 seat on the parliament, they r organized as bad as the PCOE so people dont trust both of them.
ADES= Spain Forward ultra-right party they want a dictatorship and they r extreme rightist people (like Franco) i think they get like 30 votes over 40,000,000 so everyone lifes safer without them around :)
then you have the small regional parties who have like 1 parliament seat they dont have any power so i dont mention them.

i hope you understand better, btw there is no anarchist group in Catalonia(catalunya) there is just ETA in the Pais Basque that is:

1- the fire cease in the State/region of Catalonia occured not because there is a sepparatist group in Catalonia,is because the PSOE won the election in Catalonia and not the PP(FASCIST) the PP techniques to stop ETA are killing them or busting them, PSOE uses dialogue.
2-No one who is in ETA is from Morroco, the train attacks were done by Al Qaeda not by ETA.
3-ETA never declared itself Marxist.
4-E.T.A. started in the 1960's while Dictator and Murder Franco was in power, they fought to stop his murdering,regime and his actions, in 1975 Franco died and 80% of the E.T.A. militants just went away from E.T.A. because E.T.A.'S purposed were to establish a Democracy in Spani so when King Juan Carlos I of Spain signed the consitution of Spain in 1978 e.t.a.'s job was done, but some people thought that they should kill all the fascist remaining in Spain so they continued in E.T.A.,eta has always killed Politics from the PP and PSOE and just made public attacks once or twice.
5-E.T.A. doesent like to kill civilians everytime they set a bomb they call and advertise that there is a bomb there, they dont like to kill civilians they exist because there still Fascists in Spain.
6-E.T.A. in the actuality fights for an Independent Basque State, without being together with Spain and without a king and the Basque Language as oficial not the Spanish, THEY DONT FIGHT FOR BURGUESSES they r people who were farmers,students,workers NORMAL people they dont fight for burguesses!

everything clear with spain now? :)
if anyone didnt understand anything just ask me i will be glad to answer.