So NOW you tell me Jesus was married??? - how did I miss thi

[Supermodel]

OK in the Che-Jesus-saint-communist thread we're talking about Mary Magdalene and how she was Jesus' wife and had his baby and all. I found this book, the Woman with the Alabaster Jar" on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-h...2244183-1093744 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/102-2244183-1093744)

Is this news gonna piss off some celibate priests or what????

[Lardlad95]

uh Jesus never married, there is no mention of that in the Bible, and if there is give me the passage

[I Will Deny You]

It's not mentioned by the Bible, but there is evidence from other reliable sources.

[Lardlad95]

hahahahahahhahaaa. You forget my friend that the Bible is the only credible Religous source for Christians. Anything else is interpretation

[alphaq]

"It's not mentioned by the Bible, but there is evidence from other reliable sources. " Other reliable sources? There are no reliable sources outside of the Bible even for the existence of Jesus (save maybe a reference in Josephus) so I don't think there are reliable sources pertaining to his marital status. If you have any I would love to see them.
AlphaQ

[Lardlad95]

Alphaq, you are exactly right

[RedRevolutionary87]

dude the bible isnt very reliable, it was written 200-300 years after the death of jesus and after that it has bin altered many times by politicians.

[Moskitto]

The evidence for Jesus being married is that if he wasn't married, surely they would have mentioned it in the bible because most people at that time were married and being unmarried was very unusual.

There's also the Koran...

Maybe he didn't do all the things the bible says he did, but in all probability someone (even just a guy who talks about god lots) probably existed for someone to base a story on him.

And no, not all christians believe the bible is the only authority.

[I Will Deny You]

I didn't mean to imply that the Bible is especially reliable.

[Moskitto]

There's the dead sea scrolles which got dated to BC time.

[I Will Deny You]

I read a great book on the Dead Sea Scrolls. I forget what it's called but Supermodel, if you haven't placed you order at Amazon yet you should definitely look for it. I think it was called Who Wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls? or something like that.

Maybe Malte could set up a much bigger Che-Lives.com store with general interest books and member recommendations, since I think he'd make more of a profit that way. Not that I know how this whole online store thing works, though.

[MJM]

Good idea IWDY it may help to broaden the sphere so to speak. Not that I buy anything over the net, I'm credit-card-fraud-a-phobic.

[deadpool 52]

I read that archaeologists found missing parts in the bible which read that "Jesus kissed Mary many times on the . . ." missing part was on the end of the scroll, probably worn away.

I also heard that there are two missing sections in the Bible which are calle 'Enoch' and 'Thomas.'

[vox]

"dude the bible isnt very reliable, it was written 200-300 years after the death of jesus and after that it has bin altered many times by politicians."

I thought that the gospels of Matthew and Luke were dated somewhere between 50-80 years after Jesus' death. I'm pretty sure that's the current theory.

As for the alteration, you said it! I was surprised at how many Christians don't know that the King James version deleted some books. Also, the gnostic texts were not added, as I remember, but they make interesting reading.

vox

[Moskitto]

Yeah there's some bits of the bible that are missing. Like there's references to "The Book of War" in it as if it's meant to be annother part of the bible.

And the bible being translated into other languages might have caused fundamentalism to develop in countries where leaders wished to control their leaders. What's i'd love to do is learn Hebrew or Latin and read something closer to the original version.

[vox]

Moskitto,

There's a ton of stuff out there about translations of the Bible, history of it, authorship, etc. Some very good and scholarly, some not so good. I don't know where you live, but it's likely you could find several texts about it all at your local public library. (Factoid: The Bible is the most commonly stolen book from public libraries.)

I was referring to the Apocrypha (http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/apocrypha_exp.html), but I mispoke. the KJV did include them, but does not now.

Also, you might be interested in the work of the Jesus Seminar (http://religion.rutgers.edu/jseminar/), which does research regarding the historical Jesus. As I recall, the Jesus Seminar had a hand in the Lost Gospel Q, but it's been a while and I'm not certain of the connection.

vox

edited for link code

(Edited by vox at 3:53 pm on Mar. 23, 2002)

[Moskitto]

I once say a documentry that suggested that Jesus was probably a political activist rather than a religious figure.

What it said probably happened was he got to powerful for the Roman authorities and was executed by their orders (not by the pharasis.) But his followers split into 2 groups, one of them who wanted to keep his original message of Jewish nationalism and the other which wanted to start a new religion and wrote loads of mythology about him and played down the role of the Romans. The second group won an managed to spread their ideas through the Roman Empire by blaming the Pharasise for Jesus' demise.

[I Will Deny You]

Very few non-Christians, especially Jews, believe that Jesus started Christianity. My father, a Christian, says the founder of his religion is St. Paul. But then again, my father has also been quoted as saying that his "afro will never go out of style." So you might want to do some research on your own. I think there was a huge conflict between St. Paul and St. Peter and Paul won. The only difference between the two that I know of is that Peter wanted Christians to follow the Kashrut laws and Paul didn't think they should have to, because it might scare some converts away.

Lots of Christian biblical scholars learn Hebrew and read the Torah in its original form. There is good reason to do this, because many Hebrew words have more than one meaning and the wrong word is used a lot of the time.

[Moskitto]

It is believed by many that St Thomas went to India.

Imagine what it must have been like at that time, India and the far east would be annother world. You'd have no contact at all with your previous life. That's the sort of time i'd love to live in, Knowing I could just walk away from everything and only take the things I need and go and start a new life in a completely different world. I suppose that might be what draws me to South America or South East Asia.

[Rob]

just a little note, apocrypha means "of dubious authenticity"