Haitian Revolution - 2010 revolution - i shall start it

[Natalenko]

Haiti is the poorest country in the western hemisphere, and the third poorest in the world, the family which are the rulers own 99.99% of the wealth and the military owns the other .01% the people own none. THEY NEED a revolution and FAST so, who will help me, we cannot start it in Haiti, we need to go to the dominican republic, becasue any word of opposition to the ruling family.... well lets say that the people dissapear in the middle of the night.

[anarchoveganLAM]

im with ye comrade

[Guest]

Quote: from Natalenko on 1:06 am on Mar. 21, 2002
the family which are the rulers own 99.99% of the wealth and the military owns the other .01% the people own none.I can believe that Haití is the third poorest nation in the world, but it is very difficult for me to believe that 99.99% of the wealth belongs to the ruling family and that the 'rest' belongs to the military. That just doesn't seem right.


Quote: from Natalenko on 1:06 am on Mar. 21, 2002
we need to go to the dominican republic, becasue any word of opposition to the ruling family.... well lets say that the people dissapear in the middle of the night.Are you sure? Where did you hear (or read) this? I can definitely say that in the past, that happened (back when Trujillo was in power). Now, however, I don't believe so. There is no actual 'ruling family.' There's a president and luckily, it's not Joaquin Balaguer. The president is Hipólito Mejía and he is of the social democratic Dominican Revolutionary Party. The Vice-President (a woman) is Milagros Ortiz Bosch.

[Sasafrás]

That guest was me, La Rainbeaux! I forgot to sign in, I'm sorry! :)

(Edited by La Rainbeaux at 7:44 pm on Mar. 20, 2002)

[Supermodel]

Here's the CIA "fact" book on Haiti....

http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factb...ok/geos/ha.html (http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ha.html)

Anyway, right on with a revolution being needed. Poor souls. How the western world can stand by and watch is amazing.

[new democracy]

[quote]Quote: from Natalenko on 1:06 am on Mar. 21, 2002
Haiti is the poorest country in the western hemisphere, and the third poorest in the world, the family which are the rulers own 99.99% of the wealth and the military owns the other .
what is the name of the ruling family?

[Felicia]

(Edited by felicia at 11:46 am on Sep. 16, 2002)

[bluerev002]

great a revolution! lets see......2010....thats like.....8 years from now! i wonder if it will be televised. oh well, tell me how are things in haiti from your point of view, what will you make of this country......will you be like the president, or kind or.........whatever?! sorry for all the quesitons im just curios.

[mujer revolucionaria]

my mom lived in Haiti for 3 years doing humanitarian aid in a hospital/orphanage. And yeah what you are saying about the ruling family is very true. People were known to have "dissappeared" in the middle of the night. There is a lot of mob rule there as well.

Here's an interesting tidbit.....after the american "occupation" (Which the US government refers to as "operation restoring democracy" WHATTA JOKE) The drug trafficking through Haiti has skyrocketed, and the US government gave hundreds of thousands of dollars to help build the ruling family a new house. God bless the CIA.

My mom saw first hand the hypocrisy, and evildoings of imperialist America.......she has such interesting tales.

I am going to Haiti with her in January to visit the hospital and a school to help with some work. Has anyone on the boards been there? I am curious to hear impressions and experiences from Haiti other than those of my dear wonderful mum.

[bluerev002]

nope never been there.

i cant belive that ppl disapear in the middle of the night!
r there any big american cooprations there by any chance? well be sure to tell when you come back from your january trip to haiti.

as for teh revolution, be sure to plan out every bit and make it all worthwhile, and just hope that da US wont stick their nose in it.

[vox]

The actions of the US in Haiti are nothing short of criminal. This isn't overstatement, this is just the way things are.

The US support of the Duvalier dictatorship is well documented. The US didn't think Aristide would win, but the people from the slums had a different idea. For that, Aristide was deposed and the CIA leaked stories (for which there is no real evidence) that Aristide was insane.

Haiti is the ugliest shame of the United States of America's foreign policy.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/Haiti_KH.html

vox

[stick person]

Quote: from mujer revolucionaria on 5:34 am on Aug. 15, 2002
I am going to Haiti with her in January to visit the hospital and a school to help with some work. Has anyone on the boards been there? I am curious to hear impressions and experiences from Haiti other than those of my dear wonderful mum.


I have a friend who was part of an effort to improve higher education in Haiti a few years back. The project ended in failure because there is essentially no infrastructure to support education at any level. The roads exist mainly as lines on maps, clean water is a luxury, the police work for whoever will pay them--in fact, nothing official is done without a fee. It's a perfect example of a libertarian capitalist society.

[mujer revolucionaria]

Yeah from what I hear the country really is a mess, and yeah the US foreign policy towards Haiti is utterly sickening and disgraceful.

My mom reccomends a book called "Written In Blood" which is a comprehensive history of Haiti, beginning with Columbus, and goes to Duvalier. The author did not write about Duvalier, because he was still alive at the time of the writing and it was too dangerous. I have not read it, but it sounds very interesting. Haiti is not my area of historical expertise, but when I get a chance I will read that.

I was wrong about the money for the house.....what it was, was that the US Govt funded the rebuilding of the family's private wharf in Port Au Prince, I asked my mother about it.

[Felicia]

(Edited by felicia at 11:47 am on Sep. 16, 2002)

[Revolution Hero]

I am sick of these talks about starting the revolution. You have to be a crazy one if you write this being serious. People doesn't start the revolution after the discussing it over the internet. You are all watched, don't you understand this?

šYou are so smart, you have set the year of you revolt. Well, it seems serious , but stupid. As you can't just go and start fighting, you have to have revolutionary situation and only then you can act.

Those who are ready to join this revolution are the bunch of the uneducated revolutionary romantics, who think that they can change the world. Be the realists, and think twice before you start.

(Edited by Revolution Hero at 7:20 pm on Aug. 16, 2002)

[mujer revolucionaria]

Are you serious? I am trying to work out if you are serious or just being sarcastic.

As much as Haiti needs some serious change, I dont think anyone on this board seriously was boasting about taking up arms and running off to Haiti to start a revolution.

[hawarameen]

Viva la revolution!!

After we are done in Haiti can we go to Iraq and Turkey?

They are long overdue for a revolution. These countries have gassed their kurdish minorities (of which i am one), have made it illeagal for people to speak kurdish, changed all kurdish names to turkish and arabic ones and then called US terorrists!!!

[Revolution Hero]

Quote: from mujer revolucionaria on 1:11 am on Aug. 17, 2002
Are you serious? I am trying to work out if you are serious or just being sarcastic.

As much as Haiti needs some serious change, I dont think anyone on this board seriously was boasting about taking up arms and running off to Haiti to start a revolution.




Well, Natalenko and some other fanatics seem to be pretty serious. They are so brave, but I am sure that they have never hold a gun in their hands. Maybe that's why Natalenko set the 2010 year for the start, so they will have time to learn how to fight.LOL

Come on, let's start imagining stuff. We will have imaginary revolution!

[hawarameen]

Actually i have a little experience (Very little), i have been caught up in the Iraq/Iran war and some Iranians were shooting at us!!

[Revolution Hero]

Hawarameen, that is a very important experience you had. But you have to remember that your luck can show you it's back......and the bullets will not be afraid of you anymore....but it is not the reason to give up, be a man and go straight into fight!!!
But you have to wait for the right time, don't be such a dreamer and romantic. Revolution is always a mass movement, and can't be done by the small bunch of the brave people like you...