Is America Done???

[El_Oso]

It is my personal belief that America has long since reached its prime. I think that it peaked out around 1950-60, and since has begun a long downward trend. This spiral is leading America to its demise. Take, for instance, these examples: 1) THe war that isn't a war but really could be one in iraq. 2) the people of America voted in their own worst enemy, Bush, who has destroyed all that was holding America together. 3) China is gonna kill us. 4) Incase you haven't noticed, no one likes America. 5) Since they became the only super power, they have become the world's 'babysitter' and need to watch out for it. This kinda spreads their resources a little thin and doesn't gain anything. 6) The "Patriot" act. 7) Really rreally bad morals and ethics... I mean you can't even watch tv without encountering it

IDK, I just think that the USA is going to fall apart... soon... maybe within the next 100 years. So... what do you think?

[DaCuBaN]

The fall of every empire is as inevitable as the sun burning out. It may not be tomorrow, but it will happen.

I do hope I'll be there to light up off the ashes though ;)


1) THe war that isn't a war but really could be one in iraq

120,000 more american reserves to be brought into active duty - I'd say this 'war' is only getting warmed up.


2) the people of America voted in their own worst enemy, Bush, who has destroyed all that was holding America together

Bush Sr I assume ;)
Baby-Bush hasn't actually done anything yet. He's just reacted.


3) China is gonna kill us

What? Bite the hand that feeds them? Much as I'd love to see the US put in their place by the worlds true superpower, I would expect the US to self destruct before that happens.


4) Incase you haven't noticed, no one likes America

Quite true. The ruling classes of the rest of the world despise your country as it is a 'rebel' state and opposed imperialism. Nowadays of course, they are hated by most every man woman and child with above average cognotive abilities for their ability to 'have their cake and eat it'


5) Since they became the only super power, they have become the world's 'babysitter' and need to watch out for it. This kinda spreads their resources a little thin and doesn't gain anything

Yes, and this has always puzzled me. The US gets involved in things it has no part in. I personally feel they just learned the wrong lessons in WWII, and nothing in Vietnam.


6) The "Patriot" act

Is perfectly reasonable in itself... the only place it falls down is the fact that it does not legislate for it's own removal and return of civil liberties. The real problem is you're most likely stuck with it.

I won't comment on morals

[BuyOurEverything]

7) Really rreally bad morals and ethics... I mean you can't even watch tv without encountering it


What exactly are you talking about?

[Yaroon]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 06:38 AM
It is my personal belief that America has long since reached its prime. I think that it peaked out around 1950-60, and since has begun a long downward trend. This spiral is leading America to its demise. Take, for instance, these examples: 1) THe war that isn't a war but really could be one in iraq. 2) the people of America voted in their own worst enemy, Bush, who has destroyed all that was holding America together. 3) China is gonna kill us. 4) Incase you haven't noticed, no one likes America. 5) Since they became the only super power, they have become the world's 'babysitter' and need to watch out for it. This kinda spreads their resources a little thin and doesn't gain anything. 6) The "Patriot" act. 7) Really rreally bad morals and ethics... I mean you can't even watch tv without encountering it

IDK, I just think that the USA is going to fall apart... soon... maybe within the next 100 years. So... what do you think?
A story and then suddenly, "USA is going to fall apart", why do you think it's going to fall apart? Haven't seen any arguments.

If it's now strong why wouldn't it in 2100?

The US citizens seems to be happy with there current system. So if they are happy with it, they wouldn't change it so it won't crash!

Yaroon has spoken!

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

If the US citizens are happy with the system, that's the question.

In the past few years we have seen that "patriotism" has grown in the US, but opposite to it the leftist movement has grown too. Showing dissatisfaction. The leftist movement continues to grow, slow but steady.

In my believe this grow will continue, since the enviroment is perfect for it. An ever increasing gap between rich and poor - not only money, but also the live standard. It's known that the poor can't afford the same healthcare as the rich, decreasing the proles livestandard. Furthermore there is a war which harms the poor and benefits the rich. Of the entire US congress, only 1 of them has a child in the army. Yet hunderd of thousands poor American families have their children in a foreign hostile country. Fighting a war, for a illusionist goal.

[noland]

If it's now strong why wouldn't it in 2100?

The US citizens seems to be happy with there current system. So if they are happy with it, they wouldn't change it so it won't crash!

What makes anyone think that the U.S. is strong? Why should anyone believe what the bastard ruling-class says? Is the US is so damn strong, then why does it's government insist on fighting a war against a non-existant threat, or why is there a national debt of billions of dollars that grows greater everyday?
How can you say that the citizens seem to be happy with the system, have you actually read anything that anyone on this site has said?

[gaf]

WELL YOU KNOW THE ONE WHO CAN NOT LEARN FROM HIS MISTAKE IS DOOMED TO LIVE IT AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN ETC.....

[fuerzasocialista]

Its seems perfectly feasable to me that the U$ is starting to falter at the seams. This indeed does look like the beginning of the end of times for America. It happened to the Romans, the Byzantines, Greeks, Egyptians, Chinese, Japanese, British, Spanish----should I continue??


Once the U$ falters and there are no more super powers left and countries can go about there business. Granted that there are no further necessities for armed conflict and diplomacy prevails, Socialism will be more tangible than ever.

[fernando]

Idealist fools...history repeats itself...always...soon this empire will fall and another one will rise. That's what happens...only this one is being quite succesfull at being an empire...most people dont look at it as a dominant and controlling empire. We (society) tricked ourselves in believing that we are free to do and say and think what we want, while big companies decide what is normal and pretty. You dont consume and you're ugly, weird, crazy, you name it.

It is no longer the time of empires with kings and emperors, it's the age of empires with companies ruling the people, and they dont even know that they are being ruled by these companies. Yes America will fall, but the need to consume and obtain wealth will stay.

You can dream of this big pretty utopian world where everybody will like each other and share everything, and there would be no property and no money and no greed and we will all be happy little flowers...

Dream on...first you have to kill off or re-educate every greedy bastard on the globe....GOOD LUCK!

[VincentValentine]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 09:32 PM
Idealist fools...history repeats itself...always...soon this empire will fall and another one will rise. That's what happens...only this one is being quite succesfull at being an empire...most people dont look at it as a dominant and controlling empire. We (society) tricked ourselves in believing that we are free to do and say and think what we want, while big companies decide what is normal and pretty. You dont consume and you're ugly, weird, crazy, you name it.

It is no longer the time of empires with kings and emperors, it's the age of empires with companies ruling the people, and they dont even know that they are being ruled by these companies. Yes America will fall, but the need to consume and obtain wealth will stay.

You can dream of this big pretty utopian world where everybody will like each other and share everything, and there would be no property and no money and no greed and we will all be happy little flowers...

Dream on...first you have to kill off or re-educate every greedy bastard on the globe....GOOD LUCK!
Line them up and shoot them. Thats fine by me.

[fernando]

Originally posted by VincentValentine+May 30 2004, 11:11 PM--> (VincentValentine @ May 30 2004, 11:11 PM)
[email protected] 30 2004, 09:32 PM
Idealist fools...history repeats itself...always...soon this empire will fall and another one will rise. That's what happens...only this one is being quite succesfull at being an empire...most people dont look at it as a dominant and controlling empire. We (society) tricked ourselves in believing that we are free to do and say and think what we want, while big companies decide what is normal and pretty. You dont consume and you're ugly, weird, crazy, you name it.

It is no longer the time of empires with kings and emperors, it's the age of empires with companies ruling the people, and they dont even know that they are being ruled by these companies. Yes America will fall, but the need to consume and obtain wealth will stay.

You can dream of this big pretty utopian world where everybody will like each other and share everything, and there would be no property and no money and no greed and we will all be happy little flowers...

Dream on...first you have to kill off or re-educate every greedy bastard on the globe....GOOD LUCK!
Line them up and shoot them. Thats fine by me. [/b]
yah let's just kill the majority of the world's population just because they dont share your "lets all share and become part of this happy utopian world" vision...

Now it's you who is more sounding like a totalitarian empire instead of those Yankees :rolleyes:

agree with our ideology or die!!!

[fuerzasocialista]

Idealist fools...history repeats itself...always...soon this empire will fall and another one will rise. That's what happens...

If the American empire falls, capitalism will be extremely fractured. Not to say that it will be erradicated, but thats a hell of a blow.



It is no longer the time of empires with kings and emperors, it's the age of empires with companies ruling the people, and they dont even know that they are being ruled by these companies. Yes America will fall, but the need to consume and obtain wealth will stay.

Again, if America falls, these companies will go down with it. And the companies around the world in different countries will all of a sudden find themselves shit out of luck cuase their American plate of capitalism just got fucked.



You can dream of this big pretty utopian world where everybody will like each other and share everything, and there would be no property and no money and no greed and we will all be happy little flowers...

That won't happen anytime soon, if ever. Infact, anyone who believes in that should have their head examined.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

The way I see it, within the next 100 years, either a political slaughtering of America or World War 3 against the common enemy of America could happen.

Look at the Iraq case for the obvious starter. I don't really need to explain it. Once the Iraqi people get their heads around what has happened and realise what the US did to them, their anger could be vented.....

.....with an alliance with many other Arab nations. Who knows, maybe even Iran's Persians will Ally themselves with their old Arab foe. Certainly Iran's recent disgruntled remarks about American foreign policy suggest that is on the cards. No doubt, Syria, Libya and Sudan would join such an Alliance. The unfortunate thing is that terrorist organisations may also join these alliances.

Also, one major thing needs to happen and, though unlikely, is becoming increasingly more possible: The Palestinian and Israeli people need to realise their common enemy comes not from their neighbour, but from the giant on the Atlantic. Yes, America, the enemy of Israel. Uncle Sam's puppetry is destroying the Israeli people just as much as it is the Palestinian people. By funding the Israeli army, America is murdering Palestinians every day. By enforcing it's dollar diplomacy and hegemony over Israel, it is bringing on the attacks by Palestinians on Israeli people. If both countries see this, peace can be made between them and the fight against the real enemy may begin.

Latin America's countries are still stuck under dollar diplomacy, economic hegemony and the form of neocolonialism adopted by the United States against them. United under leaders, the people of Latin America have proven they will stand up to the neighbour of the North and with the likes of Chavez coming into play, maybe such leaders are being forged in this epoch in history. Marti, Bolivar, Castro, Guevara... the mastizos, mulattos, guajiros and all of Latin Americas other races have all proven they can unite under the right leaders.

The problem then comes to Europe. What of the countries over the pond from Uncle Sam? Well, fragmented public opinion throughout Europe makes this hard to predict. However, fragmented opinion is slowly but surely becoming general consensus. The people of Europe want their leaders to stand up to the American government and this could show if the circumstances arise. The EU may be forced to stand up to America.

A storm is definately brewing. While you all talk of the economic collapse of America, I see it differently. Should these things happen, in time, America will be brought down. If not through political means, then through war. I believe that within the 100-150 years I talk of, this will happen and at the heart of bringing the downfall, ironically, will be the United Nations.

It sounds like a dream; almost utopian. But America's crumbling as the exploiter of the world is happening. One way or another.

[ZeroPain]

If America Crumbles with out the american peoples awakening then a new and worse structure could arise prompting facism mabee not iv lived in the Southern US all my life where i can sence the nature of the people around me and the stupidity of even more i know under the right conditions there could arise another Hitler.


Mabee even ol' Gates might step up

[fernando]

Yes and then the American empire falls...and then what? someone else will rise from it's ashes and be just as bad!

But I still want to see this oppressive capitalism fall.

[ZeroPain]

If America ever falls the entire political left must ally it sounds easy but of corse its not but it would have to be done to prevent the rise of a new and even more evil empire

[h&s]

Yeah, if the U$ falls we must be ready, prepared, and united to stop the uber-right from getting in.
If we are separated we will lose.

[fuerzasocialista]

Its true, if America falls, we must unite and bring Socialism to the forefront. Really it would be the best chance we would get...

[gaf]

afraid we only get fascist.....sick.....again.but you right together and autonome ,who knows????.........

[socialistfuture]

I read something by someone in the US govt once, cant renember who said it. He said that ww1 and ww2 happened, the cold war was WW3 and WW4 is the War on Terrorism which is in the early stages.

That makes sense. Some predict there will be troops in Iraq for 10 years. There have been new resitrictions against Cuba. Afghanistan attacked, Iraq invaded, Haiti intervened..... things are just heating up.

Some really believe we are at a turning point in history... the New World Order is coming into existance.. the WTO is being put in place... resistance is happening to. Seattle, Genoa, Iraq, Cuba... the worldwide anti-capitalist movement. The biggest anti war protests this planet has ever seen... there will be more.

America has reached the point where it cannot sustain itself.. it must take foreign resources.. it needs oil for the economy, for vehicles, for food production, for the miliatry, for everything. If america falls - world economy falls and a new age will begin.

Who knows whats around the corner.. one things for sure.. we'll be part of it.

[scrap metal]

remember. the right will be just as prepare for it as we are, but they will (more than likely) be better armed, and larger in number. how would we overcome that?

[ZeroPain]

Well it comes down to luck and recrutement both hopefully easy to come by if not then let us fear the even darker, dark age to come

[h&s]

We must join together to stop the right from taking power. Forget our differences, just unite and sort them out later.

BTW, scrap metal - good quote in your sig.
I take it you have ratm's latest dvd?

[ZeroPain]

One of the reasons the right is able to keep power is because it is more-less united the left has aways been broken up never alowing for the true might of the left to be focused

[truthaddict11]

the right doesnt control america ,capitalism does we need to organize at a class level by "left" or "right"

[h&s]

the right doesnt control america ,capitalism does

Capitalism is the right!
People claiming that the left can be represented in capitalism has been key in the left's downfall. Rightists try and get us to believe that "left-wing capitalists" can represent us, but they can't.
Stuff like that has lead to parties like the "democrats" in the U$ and "labour" in the UK getting into power, claiming to be on the left, but really representing the right.

[Pepo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 06:38 AM
2) the people of America voted in their own worst enemy, Bush, who has destroyed all that was holding America together.

4) Incase you haven't noticed, no one likes America.

5) Since they became the only super power, they have become the world's 'babysitter' and need to watch out for it.

6) The "Patriot" act.

IDK, I just think that the USA is going to fall apart... soon... maybe within the next 100 years. So... what do you think?
2) The people of America didn't vote. Last elections were the biggest lie in Democratic countries history. Bush lost and everyone knows it, even Bush.
First proof that we are facing a Fascist Regime.

4) American people should start to think, Why us? Why there is so much hate and anti-american movements like never before, although around the world already for many years there were those who saw the truth. Che was one of them.

5) Nobody needs to watch the World, people must only leave together and respect each other. America has much more to learn with other countries has the rest of the World with America, afterall American culture is as little as a Ant.

6) One more proof of Fascism. When you are loosing pour you rase Patriotic feelings, so it happen with Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Salazar among others. But look carfully and you realise that this strategy has been in America for a long time.
American people have been for years bombed with Patriotic propaganda, only like that I can understand the blindness and lack of action during the Government.

America might fall soon, well, soon might be in 20 years. I predict that America in the next times will feel underpressure and will origin more war to fight to keep power. WRONG DECISION! America should open it's heart and talk with the world and not "to the world". It's a big difference on those ways to talk.

What I think? I think that American governments have been in the last decades ruled by Fascist Pigs. I just don't know if we ever saw the face of those pigs. Well, at least one I saw RUMSFELD is for sure a Fascist Pig.

[Colombia]

Why do you people wish to change the USA into a socialist country?The US has prospered for years as a federal republic.What makes you beleive that a socialist USA will be better?I don't see any uprisings in the US that could actually be serious enough to cause the government fear.

2)Merely your opinion.You and I don't have proof whether or not Bush did win or not.

4)People like the USA.People DON'T like the Bush adminstration.All those anti-american movements in the Middle East are full of ignorant people.It all merely stems from our support of Israel.The Arabs would be better off just giving up on the whole Israeli issue.

5)The UN watches the world.US doesn't.

[Comrade Mathew]

giving up on the israel issue... you call THEM ignorant?? what would any country do if it gets occupied by another nation and that is supported by the US.

bush got less votes that gore... he might still have won but thats a weird democracy....

why are all anti-american movements ignorant?? is it ignorant that i dont like the US if they bombed my house, family or just my country?? maybe that the US followed israel blind into every conflict and supports the occupation...

maybe also it pisses people of that the US supports (and always did) governments like in saudi arabia as long as they are pro-usa

are all those anti americans ignorant?? maybe they are not right with being anti american because you cannot be anti a whole population because you dont know them.... i know many americans dont give a crap who dies in middle east or whereever as long as its no one they know! people are may even systematically uneducated to make it easier for the US government.... i dont know or maybe its just not cool to care for people other than yourself... i dont know but americans have a responsibility for the actions of their government!!!


back to the topic

i think another good sign is that the US is getting arrogant, i talked to millitary officials in washington and they said the US think the can outspend all other countries in military spending and even spend more than the 2nd and 3rd together...

THAT is arroganz and that comes before the downfall of every nation. they always say they're so great but they dont try to stay great they get comfortable and than somebody beats them and that shock will shake the US so bad....

one reason is that the US had for a long time not fought a war on their own territorry and bomb alarms in citys nevers sounded before the age of terrorism... now even though they get hit they underestimate their enemy like we saw in iraq.

maybe it will end in a world war maybe not... i know europeans wont stand on the side of the US for long...

[ZeroPain]

Eventuly the U.S. will have to fall since more and more jobs are being taken by china,india, illeagle imagrants makeing the economy decline even more once the Middle Class feels the sting of poverty and see people killed every day on T.V. many of the members of the right may lose some of there ideological strength possably makeing them vulnerable to education and conversion to the left however they will be tainted with greed and capatialism and it will take another 2 generations after the fall to wipe some of the corrosion off the majority of Americans get rather angry when there cash is taken away even if because of their own favorite system (capitalism) so here comes the major split:
-------The Development to facism
Righties/Cappies|
------Renagade Restiance (capitalist)
\
Converts (people who see the light and abandon their greed)

[Kurai Tsuki]

I think there's a big difference between a country being wretched and immoral and being hopeless. America will probably go on for some time as the beast of the world.

[ZeroPain]

Sorry it didnt add the spaces what what it basicaly means is the right its split between facists/renagade capitalists/converts to left

[Vinny Rafarino]

1) THe war that isn't a war but really could be one in iraq

This statement does not make much sense. The yanqui government has never tried to hide the fact that the conflict in Iraq is a war; they have only mislead the public as to "why" there is a war.


2) the people of America voted in their own worst enemy, Bush, who has destroyed all that was holding America together

Bush is doing what most yanquis want and he is doing it brilliantly. What exactly are the "things" that were "holding America together"? As far as I can tell, not only is America "together" but is is expanding exponentially.


3) China is gonna kill us.

China has no intention now or anytime in the future of "killing America".


4) Incase you haven't noticed, no one likes America.

Unfortunately "being liked" does not have much to do with anything politically. Those that "dislike" the yanquis now may very well be their "best friends" at some point in the future.

As a matter of fact, you can count on it.


5) Since they became the only super power, they have become the world's 'babysitter' and need to watch out for it. This kinda spreads their resources a little thin and doesn't gain anything.

It gains very much indeed; more third world labour to exploit.


6) The "Patriot" act

The government has been doing everything covered in the "patriot act" well before it was ever made a law.

Now they just spend less money "hiding their actions".


7) Really rreally bad morals and ethics... I mean you can't even watch tv without encountering it


What exactly are you referring to?


I just think that the USA is going to fall apart... soon... maybe within the next 100 years. So... what do you think?

By the time capitalism crumbles, the USA as you know it today will not really exist.

The name will most certainly still "exist" much like the "Emperor of Japan" still "exists".

[h&s]

Well put.
COMRADE RAF, just out of interest, where are you from?

[Colombia]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 2 2004, 09:56 PM
giving up on the israel issue... you call THEM ignorant?? what would any country do if it gets occupied by another nation and that is supported by the US.

bush got less votes that gore... he might still have won but thats a weird democracy....

why are all anti-american movements ignorant?? is it ignorant that i dont like the US if they bombed my house, family or just my country?? maybe that the US followed israel blind into every conflict and supports the occupation...

maybe also it pisses people of that the US supports (and always did) governments like in saudi arabia as long as they are pro-usa

are all those anti americans ignorant?? maybe they are not right with being anti american because you cannot be anti a whole population because you dont know them.... i know many americans dont give a crap who dies in middle east or whereever as long as its no one they know! people are may even systematically uneducated to make it easier for the US government.... i dont know or maybe its just not cool to care for people other than yourself... i dont know but americans have a responsibility for the actions of their government!!!


back to the topic

i think another good sign is that the US is getting arrogant, i talked to millitary officials in washington and they said the US think the can outspend all other countries in military spending and even spend more than the 2nd and 3rd together...

THAT is arroganz and that comes before the downfall of every nation. they always say they're so great but they dont try to stay great they get comfortable and than somebody beats them and that shock will shake the US so bad....

one reason is that the US had for a long time not fought a war on their own territorry and bomb alarms in citys nevers sounded before the age of terrorism... now even though they get hit they underestimate their enemy like we saw in iraq.

maybe it will end in a world war maybe not... i know europeans wont stand on the side of the US for long...
I said anti-BUSH protests in the Middle East Alone are ignorant.Clearly anyone with something called a common sense would not go to such low levels as to do something called a suicide bombing.Do you think that ten year old kids with AK-47s actually know anything about the US besides the color of the flag?The Palestinians are in political terms "wrong" Great Britain had control over Palestine and last I heard a country taken over by another must listen to the stronger nation.Americans do have a responsibility for their actions.That is why we have the vote.

[ZeroPain]

What "the vote" haven't you learned yet America isnt a democracy

[Colombia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 08:17 PM
What "the vote" haven't you learned yet America isnt a democracy
Isn't a democracy?Strange how everyone but you thinks it is.

[h&s]

Lots of people here don't think that the U$ is a democracy (me included)- just look at the posts on the thread about the U$ elections.

[Comrade Mathew]

the US is a democracy as long as the people vote for the right president .....

[ZeroPain]

The Right controls the media
The Media controls the Election

The Electorial College

The Funding of candidates by Huge Companies

Harsh Requirements to get on the ballet in many states makeing it near impossable

Write-in Votes Arn't Counted



Awfully rigged "democracy" isn't it

[fuerzasocialista]

The Right controls the media
The Media controls the Election

The Electorial College

The Funding of candidates by Huge Companies

Harsh Requirements to get on the ballet in many states makeing it near impossable

Write-in Votes Arn't Counted

Awfully rigged "democracy" isn't it




its bullshit is what it is. all the more reason for it to come crumbling down...

[thor]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 06:38 AM
4) Incase you haven't noticed, no one likes America.
that is true. i do not, however, see america falling anytime soon. america has too huge of an influence on the world at this time. from mcdonalds and cocacola, to american music and movies,they are all american things that our "popular" in nearly every country. america will probably fall due to some huge fued with a union of other countries. maybe an oil shortage of some kind will send america into a panic. we dont know how or when america will fall, but it is inevitable. i would guess another hundred years.

[h&s]

that is true. i do not, however, see america falling anytime soon.
Don't count on it.
Remember how quickly the USSR fell?
What we are seeing now in Iraq is the beginning of the end for the U$.

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

I predict that the USA will become much like the films "THE ROAD WARRIOR" and "WATER WORLD." Gangs of people searching for plants; in the case of the world flooding. And in the other highly likely possiblity: the entire Earth becoming a desert and roaming motorcycle gangs will search for oil and water.

[Chad King]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2004, 03:47 AM
we dont know how or when america will fall, but it is inevitable. i would guess another hundred years.
It might fall, no one can really say... I mean, with the McDonaldization of the world, we now have money markets in pretty much every continent on this planet. Money makes the modern world go round'... and guess what, we got the money, we have the resources and theyre still plowing in. Do you really think that something like an oil shortage in a few years would really stop America? I mean, I know our leaders are far from perfect, but theyre not entirely stupid. We have backup plans, Im sure of it, they probably just choose to not let every action be known.

I mean, how smart would it be for a superpower to openly say "Hey, if no one sells us oil, our country would collapse!"... and if no one liked America, we'd be gone already.

But yeah, with technology and all that, America will probably eliminate the oil threate soon, through whatever means, I cannot say... but who knows...

[The idealist]

Personally I think USA is already trying to secure as much oil as possible. Check out the OPEC countries. See how many of them are either pally with the US, or closely tied to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I think the US is trying to slowly secure itself before everyone says "Hey!! Where is all the oil?!"

[truthaddict11]

Originally posted by hammer&[email protected] 2 2004, 09:55 AM
Capitalism is the right!
People claiming that the left can be represented in capitalism has been key in the left's downfall. Rightists try and get us to believe that "left-wing capitalists" can represent us, but they can't.
Stuff like that has lead to parties like the "democrats" in the U$ and "labour" in the UK getting into power, claiming to be on the left, but really representing the right.
Capitalism is not a left wing right wing issue asshole, its upper and lower class. It doesnt matter what your "wing status" you are you can still be a capitalist. Not everyone on "the left" is anti-capitalist.

[Guerilla22]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 06:38 AM
It is my personal belief that America has long since reached its prime. I think that it peaked out around 1950-60, and since has begun a long downward trend. This spiral is leading America to its demise. Take, for instance, these examples: 1) THe war that isn't a war but really could be one in iraq. 2) the people of America voted in their own worst enemy, Bush, who has destroyed all that was holding America together. 3) China is gonna kill us. 4) Incase you haven't noticed, no one likes America. 5) Since they became the only super power, they have become the world's 'babysitter' and need to watch out for it. This kinda spreads their resources a little thin and doesn't gain anything. 6) The "Patriot" act. 7) Really rreally bad morals and ethics... I mean you can't even watch tv without encountering it

IDK, I just think that the USA is going to fall apart... soon... maybe within the next 100 years. So... what do you think?
What a ridiculous statement. The national economys of both China and the United States are so dependant on one another, that if one side attacked the other, both sides would end up suffering. How about this instead; China's economy is going to surpass ours within the next 25 years, because of the massive trade defcit.

[h&s]

Capitalism is not a left wing right wing issue asshole, its upper and lower class. It doesnt matter what your "wing status" you are you can still be a capitalist. Not everyone on "the left" is anti-capitalist.

Personally, I think you are wrong - how can something to do with upper and lower class ever be represented by the left? Maybe I'm too far on the left to compromise.
Anyway, its too fucking hot to argue. I can't be arsed!

*Edit*
Safe man, I'm in the commie club! :hammer:
How did that happen?

[truthaddict11]

its about 80 degrees here im ready to argue.

[Pepo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 06:08 PM
1) Clearly anyone with something called a common sense would not go to such low levels as to do something called a suicide bombing.

2) Do you think that ten year old kids with AK-47s actually know anything about the US besides the color of the flag?

3) The Palestinians are in political terms "wrong" Great Britain had control over Palestine and last I heard a country taken over by another must listen to the stronger nation.Americans do have a responsibility for their actions.That is why we have the vote.
1) Let me tell you something.
If you are not leagally recognise as a country you don't have the right to have an official army and you cannot buy weapons.
Palestina has no right to fight back. The solution are selfmade bombs.
Now, who says that they have no right, who imposes? Israel supported by America. Who makes more money with all this? US because they are the ones selling everyear weapons to Israel.
If the chance was given to Palestina to fight with the same weapons then it would be fare. But you believe that Palestina should eat the bullets from Isreal army and watch it's own people dying. (Typicall US, close and not seeing much of the world reality)

2) Ten year old kids that know that if they don't fight maybe they will never have the chance to grow, or that their parents were killed be the Israel army supported by the US and by it's own weapons.
The middle east doesn't protest against Bush but against US governent, at the moment represented by Bush and the fascist party called Republicans.
Just notice that Clinton being a Democrat talked with the world and even that things didn't improve much people were talking. Since this administration is in power there is no more dialogue.
Maybe you also believe that US are not listening and talking with the World due to bad telephone conections!!? ah!

3) The last point is a real stupidity, you show how someone can really lack intelegence. How can you say that "a country taken over by another must listen to the strongert nation".
By your line of thoughts Europe had submitted to the Nazis, (they were the strongest), and we should dye all in some concentration camp. I'm sorry to tell, but that are purely imperalist and fascist though, I could thow up now.

[Colombia]

The USA survived the 80s with oil problems. No reason it can't now.

[The idealist]

You cant run a car on nothing. This is not just an oil shortage. General scientist report something like 30-50 years the world will be out of gas. And things will start running low waaay before then.

[ZeroPain]

Yea you forget that the earths oil supply isn't unlimited the Saudi Arabian oil well is slowley showing more and more water in its yeild