The Better Band

[La comunista de America]

So to you the reader who is the better band?

RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE or SYSTEM OF A DOWN

PS. Favorite album and song if you have one.



Viva :che: y viva :hammer:

[Hate Is Art]

Rage are really over-rated and so are SOAD.

Rage made 2 good albums, Rage and Renegades, Battle of LA was average and so was Evil Empire, their leftist tendencies can also be questioned quite readily!

SOAD are just plain shit!

[h&s]

RATM were fucking brilliant. They are my favorite band ever!
The Battle of Los Angeles was such an under-rated album. You do have to listen quite carefully sometimes to catch just how political they are though.
My favorite songs are RATM - Wake Up
Evil Empire - Bulls on Parade ( my signature is a verse from that song)
Battle of Los Angeles - Calm like a Bomb.
I'm not comemnting on Renegades because those songs are all covers.
People to question RATM's leftist tendencies, but if you read their interviews they have stronger leftist views than quite a few people on Che-lives. Morello is definitely a communist.
SOAD are alright, but not very political.

[Kaan]

I personally love RATM as well, and I really can't see how you could question their politics. If ever get a chance to see the dvd of their last performance, theirs footage of their performance at democratic national convention which is quite inspiring stuff. Zach is one of the greatest rabble rousers in the history of music, right up there with phil ochs and the MC5. I mean the bombtrack video in there is basically maoist propaganda, they're most definitely leftists.

P.S. Fuck SOAD, they have their moments, but the apolitical material doesn't seem to hold my attention, and they're whole obsession with charles manson is kinda weird

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Rage is far better
System of a Down blows

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by hammer&[email protected] 29 2004, 09:37 AM
RATM were fucking brilliant. They are my favorite band ever!
The Battle of Los Angeles was such an under-rated album. You do have to listen quite carefully sometimes to catch just how political they are though.
My favorite songs are RATM - Wake Up
Evil Empire - Bulls on Parade ( my signature is a verse from that song)
Battle of Los Angeles - Calm like a Bomb.
I'm not comemnting on Renegades because those songs are all covers.
People to question RATM's leftist tendencies, but if you read their interviews they have stronger leftist views than quite a few people on Che-lives. Morello is definitely a communist.
SOAD are alright, but not very political.
OMG, I just read this abomination!

SOAD are alright, but not very political.

Have you ever listened to SOAD? Just to correct your foolish views: -

PRISON SONG

They're trying to build a prison,
They're trying to build a prison,

Following the rights movements
You clamped on with your iron fists,
Drugs became conveniently
Available for all the kids,
Following the rights movements
You clamped on with your iron fists,
Drugs became conveniently
Available for all the kids,

I buy my crack, my smack, my *****,
Right here in Hollywood,

Nearly 2 million Americans are incarcerated
In the prison system,
Prison system of the U.S.

They're trying to build a prison,
They're trying to build a prison,
They're trying to build a prison, (for you and me to live in)
Another prison system,
Another prison system,
Another prison system. (for you and me to live in)

Minor drug offenders fill your prisons
You don't even flinch
All our taxes paying for your wars
Against the new non-rich,
Minor drug offenders fill your prisons
You don't even flinch
All our taxes paying for your wars
Against the new non-rich,

I buy my crack, my smack, my *****,
Right here in Hollywood,

The percentage of Americans in the prison system
Prison system, has doubled since 1985,

They're trying to build a prison,
They're trying to build a prison,
They're trying to build a prison, (for you and me to live in)
Another prison system,
Another prison system,
Another prison system. (for you and me to live in)
For you and I, for you and I , for you and I.

They're trying to build a prison,
They're trying to build a prison,
They're trying to build a prison,
For you and me,
Oh baby, you and me.

All research and successful drug policy show
That treatment should be increased,
And law enforcement decreased,
While abolishing mandatory minimum sentences,
All research and successful drug policy show
That treatment should be increased,
And law enforcement decreased,
While abolishing mandatory minimum sentences.

Utilizing drugs to pay for secret wars around the world,
Drugs are now your global policy,
Now you police the globe,

I buy my crack, my smack, my *****,
Right here in Hollywood,

Drug money is used to rig elections,
And train brutal corporate sponsored
Dictators around the world.

They're trying to build a prison,
They're trying to build a prison,
They're trying to build a prison, (for you and me to live in)
Another prison system,
Another prison system,
Another prison system. (for you and me to live in)
For you and I, for you and I , for you and I.
They're trying to build a prison,
They're trying to build a prison,
They're trying to build a prison,
For you and me,
Oh baby, you and me.


Just one song out of about 50 I could use to correct you.

P.S. Fuck SOAD, they have their moments, but the apolitical material doesn't seem to hold my attention,P.S. Fuck SOAD, they have their moments, but the apolitical material doesn't seem to hold my attention,

Apolitical? Another person who clearly has failed to listen to more than Chop Suey and Arials.

Hell I dont even like SOAD that much, but you guys are talking out your asses.




On RATM, I hate that whole RAP rock bullshit scene. Its so damn tacky, and reaks of pop music. In my experiance of RATM they are different, but still cursed by this whole scene. They have had to be fair, a few good songs, Wake Up is not ear splittingly attrocious as say Bulls on Parade, but its not exactly fantastic.

The only real talent of RATM is in the form of Tom Morello, an excelent guitarist, but his music is way to cold for my liking.

No I dont like RATM very much, but to be fair i've heard worse... much worse.

[che's long lost daughter]

I like them both but I think RATM are better. When it comes to being political, both of them are. It's just that SOAD have not gotten much exposure as RATM had.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by che's long lost [email protected] 29 2004, 09:25 PM
I like them both but I think RATM are better. When it comes to being political, both of them are. It's just that SOAD have not gotten much exposure as RATM had.
Depends on where you are, if your in the UK, only people who listen to this kind of music, and are well into the Matrix know who RATM are, SOAD have quite the following in UK, you can ask a person who only likes pop music, and chanses are they will know SOAD.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

On RATM, I hate that whole RAP rock bullshit scene. Its so damn tacky, and reaks of pop music. In my experiance of RATM they are different, but still cursed by this whole scene. They have had to be fair, a few good songs, Wake Up is not ear splittingly attrocious as say Bulls on Parade, but its not exactly fantastic.

I must say that I disagree.
Even though RATM isn't the best band out there, they're quite good. I'm not very familiar with the 'rap rock' scene, but RATM is certainly less 'pop' than that crappy pop-"rock" band, Audioslave.

EDIT: SOAD is pop music.
I don't know how you classify it, but they're on pop stations here in the US all the time, and if I'm not mistaken, they've made it onto the charts before.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 09:30 PM

On RATM, I hate that whole RAP rock bullshit scene. Its so damn tacky, and reaks of pop music. In my experiance of RATM they are different, but still cursed by this whole scene. They have had to be fair, a few good songs, Wake Up is not ear splittingly attrocious as say Bulls on Parade, but its not exactly fantastic.

I must say that I disagree.
Even though RATM isn't the best band out there, they're quite good. I'm not very familiar with the 'rap rock' scene, but RATM is certainly less 'pop' than that crappy pop-"rock" band, Audioslave.

EDIT: SOAD is pop music.
I don't know how you classify it, but they're on pop stations here in the US all the time, and if I'm not mistaken, they've made it onto the charts before.
I must say that I disagree.

Ohh well, such is life, we both still love Pink Floyd after all.

SOAD is pop music.
I don't know how you classify it, but they're on pop stations here in the US all the time, and if I'm not mistaken, they've made it onto the charts before.

I wasn't thinking really about popularity in that sense, but more bands which have been formed soley because the record industry thinks the bands are popular. Neither RATM or SOAD are like that, but RATM's Rap genre has been swallowed by this ever growing influx of record industry pop into the Rock scene.

I have no problem with cult bands which gain a large following which spills out into the general public, thats great it allows great music to be appriciated by a large range of people. it just irritates me when bands are designed soley for popularity.

You get me?

[Invader Zim]

Anyway the better band: -

Tool.

Disguss...

[La comunista de America]

Thx for all your replys.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Not familiar with tool.
But from what I've heard it seems like a combination of psychedelic prog rock and nu-metal. And nu-metal is bad. And while that combination sounds like it would produce some bad glam metal hair band music, Tool's not so bad.
Tool's an okay band. I should probably give it a spin.

...and I know several folks who like Pink Floyd and lots of them seem to also like Tool.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 05:11 AM
Not familiar with tool.
But from what I've heard it seems like a combination of psychedelic prog rock and nu-metal. And nu-metal is bad. And while that combination sounds like it would produce some bad glam metal hair band music, Tool's not so bad.
Tool's an okay band. I should probably give it a spin.

...and I know several folks who like Pink Floyd and lots of them seem to also like Tool.
Trust dude they are nothing like nu-metal... worlds apart. They are a prog-rock band, maybe bordering on alternative, with a hint of metal.

[mentalbunny]

Thing is, there are so many better bands than either of these, it's really a pointless competition. Go pick up some dead kennedies and some refused.

[Hate Is Art]

Tool are ok, they are prog-rock and thats not really my thing although I love Floyd!!

Schism is a good song, and there mini-album (opiate) or something has some good songs on it, nothing special though!!

If you want a decent leftist band check out Richey Era Manics!

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Digital [email protected] 30 2004, 10:42 AM
Tool are ok, they are prog-rock and thats not really my thing although I love Floyd!!

Schism is a good song, and there mini-album (opiate) or something has some good songs on it, nothing special though!!

If you want a decent leftist band check out Richey Era Manics!
If you want to check out a decent leftist band then you can have any era manics. Its not like they ceased to be leftists when they got popularity.

[Hate Is Art]

True, I just prefer the heavier stuff whilst they still had Richey, although once he "left" it did give Nicky a chance to right more lyrics which can only be a good thing, because Nicky is great! So damn great!!

[h&s]

OMG, I just read this abomination!

SOAD are alright, but not very political.

Have you ever listened to SOAD? Just to correct your foolish views: -


I have that song, but it is just one political song out of a lot more songs that aren't political.
Anyway, they claim to be Marxists but if you listen to that Science song they are saying that religion is the "most important thing to mankind" (or some shit like that).


Apolitical? Another person who clearly has failed to listen to more than Chop Suey and Arials.

You obviously haven't listened to their latest album (that I have). Try and find more than a few little political comments in that.
Compared to RATM they are not political at all. They are only really political out of their music, as Serj from SOAD and Tom Morello run that Axis of Justice thing.

Anyway
I personally love RATM as well, and I really can't see how you could question their politics. If ever get a chance to see the dvd of their last performance, theirs footage of their performance at democratic national convention which is quite inspiring stuff.

Well said, that DVD is fucking brilliant. Just watching Killing in the Name along with that police brutality is enough to persuade anyone that RATM are Marxist.
BTW, that Bombtrack video is an alternative one. Does anyone know whats happening with the Shining Path at the moment?