American beheaded

[La comunista de America]

In my own way I feel that America diserved that because of what they did to the prisoners it's not fair that america thinks it has the right to do what ever the hell it wants to do and still think they can get away with it.

Viva :che: y viva :hammer:

[Cognitioned Kazak]

though I feel the American administration may have deserved such a thing yet I feel great sorrow for Nick Berg for he did nothing to personally deserve the harsh punishment. Simply my two cents but as they say: "all is fair in love and war."
I do find it interesting though how he was detained by Iraqi police forces perhaps on account of a star of david found on his passport was it?

[BuyOurEverything]

Blah blah blah, I'm really sick of this shit. "America" didn't deserve anything, it's just a meaningless social construct like all other countries. Much of American ruling class probebly deserves to have their heads chopped off, but some guy that happened to be born in America did not deserve to die for his countries crimes.


all is fair in love and war

What war? Does the perpetual war the American government has been waging against its opposition for decades justify all their attrocities? I'm sure you didn't mean it in this context, but I'm really curious what context you did mean it in.

[Urban Rubble]

Thank you BOE (see, got it right!).

How does cutting some innocent man's head off avenge of the crimes committed by the U.S ruling class ? So, because my government has done some fucked up shit, you think it's acceptable for someone to cut my head off ? Would you be applauding it if you actually knew the guy ?

I can't believe I even dignified this with an answer. Get a fucking clue kid.

[Sammi87]

I dont think that anyone really deserves to die the way Nick Berg did, but with that aside his parents/friends/family must have been totally devestated by what happened. I dunno if they will have seen the film of what happened but if they have it must have been horriffic beyond words for them to witness that happening to someone that they love.

[themessiah]

of course it isn't right

neither is the war in Iraq though

was it justifiable? difficult to say

[James]

Very wrong.

[Danton]

I think beheading is the way forward, it's cheap and easy to learn and carries that extra sense of menace, you can also cause much more outrage by beheading one American with a sword than by killing hundreds of thousands of brown skinned people with "smart bombs" don't ya know..

[h&s]

Yeah, too right. If there are just a few more cases like Nick Berg's, the American public are going to seriously consider their support for the war, and for Bu$h.

[Funky Monk]

I think you misunderstand the psychology behind this, mate. This incident and any more like it will boost the wars support, people want to see Bush combatting the bastards who did this. Bad press was coming from the treatment of prisoners but this action from the "enemy" will just make people more determined.

[Danton]

Nick Berg's own father blamed the U.S administration for this, so will the electorate..

[MiniOswald]

wasnt this nick berg fella a soldier though and so he musta known what his army was doing out there, and he either agreed or turned a blind eye, either way he stayed and paid

[canikickit]

He wasn't a soldier, he was an independant contractor trying to make himself some money. Pretty silly place to go.

[MiniOswald]

well yer he musta known what he was going into, if yer play with fire........

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

We can't really take sides, though, can we? It's am imperialist war being fought by capitalist rulers for land and power. If we were to side with any Iraqi militia or movement, then we could possibly condone the killing of this fella. I mean, the US fights pretty dirt too doesn't it? Not that killing civilians is okay, but think of the countless other Iraqi civilians who were killed. But taht's not relevant because I don't think that any true socialist would support the religious, autocratic militias currently kicking America's ass in Iraq. =D

If were gonna be unbiased about it, he's a mere statistic among thousands of other Iraqis.

[fuerzasocialista]

That was a down right atrocity and I don't give a flying fuck what anyone thinks. That shit was wrong. Of course, it wasn't the Iraqis or Al Queda that killed Nick Berg. Like I said before, those Army Intelliegence and CIA operatives should really learn how to dress accordingly and learn to speak proper Arab when impersonating Muslim fundamentalists terrorists.

No one deserves to go like that...

[Urban Rubble]

Nick Berg's own father blamed the U.S administration for this, so will the electorate..

Nick Berg's father was also a staunch anti war activist before this happened, not exactly the epitome of objectivity. Also, the majority of Americans are in no way similair to his father. They will not understand that the Bush administration is partly to blame for this.


Pretty silly place to go.

I agree, but I don't think the money was all of it. This guy had a history of humanitarian work, I honestly think he was there to rebuild the infastructure as a humanitarian act, not to support the U.S war machine.

Plus, offer me up to 20,000 dollars a month and I'll do just about anything.


If we were to side with any Iraqi militia or movement, then we could possibly condone the killing of this fella. I mean, the US fights pretty dirt too doesn't it? Not that killing civilians is okay, but think of the countless other Iraqi civilians who were killed.

Well see, it goes back to the old saying "2 wrongs don't make a right". Cutting someone's head off does not avenge that victims of American attrocities.

Also, you're right, this guy is small beans compared the thousands of Iraqis being burnt to death, however, I think it's just a little more shocking because they took such pleasure in dragging his death out. Torture, to me, is always worse than a quick death. They're both wrong, but it's just a little more shocking.


No one deserves to go like that...

That's what I think. I get accused of not caring about the Iraqi's being killed. Of course I care, it bothers me everyday, but we aren't talking about that at the moment, we are talking about this.

[fuerzasocialista]

Regardless of who killed him, its just a horrible atrocity...

[noland]

Nobody really deserves to be killed by a fellow human being and no person should feel that he has the right to kill another. Anyone who thinks that the loss of life by human actions can be justified is a moron. I don't agree with the majority of US government official nor do I agree with Islamic fundamentalists or anyone else that conservative idiots running America see as a threat. However, I lean toward supporting the Iraqis. Who wouldn't want to try to discourage the tyrannical occupation forces of foreign power that invaded your home?

[themessiah]

anybody remember the movie macbith(its bad luck to say or write, I guess, the name, or does "screaming out macbith" refer to reciting the play?) when he gets his head choppe doff by macduff and they're running around with his head and the viewer is like seeing the world through macbiths eyes, and somehow he's still concious as just as head?

does that really happen?

thats mortifying.

and like it wasn't even his fault he got all power hungry. his fucking wife was the one who like brainwashed him into doing it all anyway. then again shakespeare supposedly hated women so maybe this play was all about his politics.

[La comunista de America]

Thank you for all your replys.

[Kurai Tsuki]

There are the accusations that this video was a fake, it's hard to answer this thread's question clearly without knowing whether it was really done by Iraqis.

[Hate Is Art]

I have started to completly dis-regard everything to do with Iraq, the situation is just so fucked up now, it has become allmost impossible to sort out enemy and friend and who's side we (the left) are on now.

It just become a sprawling mass of choas and buearacy, with political speak and empty promises from the US chucked in for good measure.

Do we leave? Do we stay? Do we support our forces (these are soldies with familys remember? Or do we support the Iraqi's (these are religious freedom fighters with familys too) do we pledge support for a group who would most like Iraq turned into a religious fundamentalist state?

It's all become so confusing!

[DaCuBaN]

Do we support our forces (these are soldies with familys remember? Or do we support the Iraqi's (these are religious freedom fighters with familys too) do we pledge support for a group who would most like Iraq turned into a religious fundamentalist state?

Or you can sit aside, and condemn them all for fighting. It pisses me off seeing the protests about the war as it evidently solved nothing, and now we've been branded as taking a side. If we'd have sat back to see how things panned out and left the objections to the bourgeious politicians - many of whom did object - then we could have really shafted both parties come the end of the fiasco

But it's been blown now :rolleyes:

[Urban Rubble]

does that really happen?

Yes. During the French Revolution, when people were beheaded by guilotine, they would pick up their heads and face it towards the body so the head could see his decapitated torso.

That would be the most fucked up experience ever.

[che's long lost daughter]

When I first saw that video on the news, I thought, they deserved it for all that they have done to Iraq. I though that the Iraqis were only saying "it's payback time". But then I realized that what they (the Iraqis)did were really brutal. Brutal in the sense that they did it to someone who is innocent. But if they did it to Bush who is the root of all that has happened then brutal would not be the word but brilliant. Bush has shed more brutality to the whole world than a thousand beheadings.

[La comunista de America]

Thank you for your replys.

[Comrade Clint]

I believe the nick berg video was fake because my grandma was a nurse and i asked her about it, she said with all the arteries in your neck if it was to be cut like that blood would just pump out for a minute or two. All there was on the floor was a small pool. But yes i do feel very sad for what happened to him no matter how he died, I would blame the toxic texan as well.

[DaCuBaN]

All there was on the floor was a small pool

I thought about this as well, but in all honesty the 'effects' are not unrealistic.

Ironically it's the 'effects' that make this look unreal. The blood does pour from the neck of this poor soul - the pool itself rapidly increases it's size. That, and Nick Berg is quite definitely dead.

The only question is who were the real perpetrators.