about suicide bombing

[DORRI]

I'm doing a research on different aspects of suicide bombings in israel,so I need people's opinions about it, too.actually I need to know how it effects on the people who hear about it or watch the movies.
please tell me how you think about it and your reasons:)
and I beg you all,don't fight each other !let everyone tell their viewpoints freely and practice political tolerance.
thank you ;)

[Hate Is Art]

disgusting, suicide bombing is pointless and stupid! Killing civilians in it's own way is horrific, but killing yourself so you don't have to deal with it is even worse!

Any cause that uses suicide bombing gets no sympathy from me!

[Eastside Revolt]

If you suicide bomb a military target it is a usual practice, people have been doing things like this for a very long. However, suicide bombing is a busload of comuters on their way to work is wrong, and in my opinion is the work of a sick individual.
This sick individual, became ill because of the condidtions they were forced to live in. I am therefore just as against the oppressive conditions of the suicide bomber, as their actions.

[MiniOswald]

changes the views of moderates is one reson its done, if a plan for peace aint goin the way you like blow yourself up in a crowded downtown restaurant and people will keep oposing each other, keeping a very slow and messy war going

[Funky Monk]

Used to attack millitary targets i have less of a problem with it. When targeted against civillians i believe it is completely inexcusable.

[Bolshevist]

The Palestinians answer terror with terror. I can understand why they do it, but that doesn't make me wan't to justify it or something. I think its just as bad as shooting at a demonstration, or firing missiles into a refugee camp.

[Pawn Power]

Palestinians live in desperate times and are in a desperate situation so they choose this eratic answer. i do not live over their in the horrible situation so i can not judge them. obviously killing civilians is wronge but it does get their point across.
the really ownly true answer is to eliminate corporations, religion, and change into a communist world!!!

[refuse_resist]

Suicide bombings that target civilians is just inhumane and very sick minded. It will only continue the cycle of violence and doesn't help solve anything. However, when this is the case, we must examine what would drive someone to do such a thing and try to prevent the oppressive problems that may make someone commit such an act.

[Nobody]

Terrorism, hence suicide bombings, are a poor man's army. If the Palestinians had tanks and helicopters, there would be no buses or military bases being hit by suicide bombers. But if the only way to strike against your enemy is to ferry the explosives there yourself on your body, I understand. A suicide bomber on a bus is like the little kid who kicks the huge bully in the groin, cheap, but gets the point across.

[Intifada]

suicide bombings are wrong and unjustifiable. however due to the conditions that palestinians live in they will unfortunately occur. this doesn't make the crime less horrific and unaccepatable, but one should try to understand that these people are desparate. suicide bombings are an act of desparation.

remember that the palestinians are living under occupation every single day of their lives. we do not know what that feels like.

[Lefty]

Against military targets: I'm down with that- go out in a blaze of glory, or whatever. I understand that.

Against civilians: Disgusting. At least I have the pleasure of knowing that if there is a hell, the suicide bombers are burning in it.

[Comrade BNS]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 08:04 PM
If you suicide bomb a military target it is a usual practice, people have been doing things like this for a very long. However, suicide bombing is a busload of comuters on their way to work is wrong, and in my opinion is the work of a sick individual.
This sick individual, became ill because of the condidtions they were forced to live in. I am therefore just as against the oppressive conditions of the suicide bomber, as their actions.
I second that post.....

but we have no right to judge people whatsoever in any circumstances, least of all the Palestinian situation...

Comrade BNS

[Sammi87]

did anyony here watch the death in gaza documentary on channel 4 in England a couple of days ago?

[h&s]

The Israeli administration deliberatly provokes these suicide bombings to gain support from the world. While being sick and inhumane, they are caused by Israel. However, attacks against military targets is not terrorism, so suicide bombing against them are fine and completly justified.

[Intifada]

did anyony here watch the death in gaza documentary on channel 4 in England a couple of days ago?

yes. that gave a great insight into what palestinian children have to live with. some of the things they have experienced in their short lives is just horrific.

[h&s]

I missed that. Was it independanmt or biased against Palestine?

[Intifada]

I missed that. Was it independanmt or biased against Palestine?

it was pretty much independant. the film was made and directed by james miller (http://www.justice4jamesmiller.com/) who was killed by israeli soldiers after they had demolished a palestinian home.

[h&s]

Oh, I remeber him.
What I find disgusting is how there is international uproar when the IDF kill europeans, but none when they kill palestinains.

[Intifada]

white man's life is worth more than a dark man's life.

[Sammi87]

I think I heard somewhere that James Miller planned to make another documentary from the israeli point of view. Also that after the filming of the documentary that one of the boys featured within it (sorry I didnt see all of it) wanted to go on to become a film maker as Miller had such an effect upon him.

[Intifada]

Also that after the filming of the documentary that one of the boys featured within it (sorry I didnt see all of it) wanted to go on to become a film maker as Miller had such an effect upon him.

it also said that the some of the children were affected by the latest israeli operation in rafah.

[toastedmonkey]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 12:40 PM
Also that after the filming of the documentary that one of the boys featured within it (sorry I didnt see all of it) wanted to go on to become a film maker as Miller had such an effect upon him.
The two children it focused on, who were obsessed with the idea of becoming martyrs, have given up on the idea and now want to be camera men.


To the original question: i struggle to understand the logic behind suicide bombing, you can achieve much more alive, than dead.

[fuerzasocialista]

I don't agree with suicide bombings as it is a sick practice. To die in battle at the hands of your enemies is one thing; but to blatanly blow yourself up especially in a public place where they intended goals are civilians just doens't fit in my mentality.

[Reuben]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 10:46 PM
Terrorism, hence suicide bombings, are a poor man's army. If the Palestinians had tanks and helicopters, there would be no buses or military bases being hit by suicide bombers. But if the only way to strike against your enemy is to ferry the explosives there yourself on your body, I understand. A suicide bomber on a bus is like the little kid who kicks the huge bully in the groin, cheap, but gets the point across.
i know you didnt waant arguments ut i have to take issue with this bulshit analogy. When you kick a bully in the groin you are attacking the individual responsible for your oppression, suicide bombs on the other hand are far less targetted - they represent attaks on some who are reponsible fr oppression some who are not some who are fighting against their governments aoppression (yes there are corageoues groups within israel ressising their government) etcetc.

My personal opinion is that suicide bombs are not only unjustifiable but are futile - they are recipe for class collaborationism they are means by which israelies will be pushed into extreme nationalism, into thinking 'we are all in this together' when in fact the oppression of the palestinians is being carried out against the interests of the mass of israelies, in the interests of small sections of Israel.

[h&s]

Suicide bombs are the kind of attacks that Israel wants against them. If their army were to be attacked in a Guerilla war, there would be no international condemnation of the Palestinians, so Israel would be fucked.

[DORRI]

thank you my friends.you helped me a lot.
your viewpoints are under translation.