Originally posted by Digital
[email protected] 26 2004, 01:22 PM
the manic street preachers - anything with richey
Fugazi anything of any of their albums
are they old-skool hardcore?
Are you a scriptwriter for Hale & Pace?? Or do you work for Kerrang??
"Early" Manics is punk at best...if you disregard they're pretty ridiculous whoring to anyone and everyone.
Fugazi is pretty much emo-punk. Ian Mackaye was in some band called Minor Threat, who you should probably check out.
Harriet - to me, Rites of Spring was the formative emo band, back when emo equalled emotional hardcore, so yes you're right...but they're probably not the most obvious example of old skool hardcore. Hardcore started out as hardcore punk, as such, the following could all equally be considered punk bands. The generally accepted story is that the term "hardcore" was first coined by Joey Shithead of the band DOA while attempting to differentiate between this new movement and the already stagnant "drunk punk" scene.
Basically, hardcore started out in Washington DC and spread outwards from there, but that's a huge over-simplification cos bands like Black Flag (from LA) did as much for hardcore as the DC bands. Dischord (http://www.dischord.com), run by aforementioned Mackaye, started out the DIY concept in hardcore.
Here's a rough list of hardcore bands from 1979-83 (the first wave of hardcore):
Minor Threat
Bad Brains
Void
Faith
Scream
Antidote
DYS
The FU's
Jerry's Kids
SSD
However, the very concept of "old skool" hardcore seems to be such a vague one.
At which point do old and new meet??
Is a band currently in existance considered "old skool" in 20 years time even if their music is currently the polar opposite of what the less enlightened consider to be "old skool"?? If so, what does that make bands before them??
Is a band currently in existance who play hardcore similar to the style played in 1979 "old skool"?? If so, what does that make the actual bands who played in 1979?? Pre-old skool??
And hence, from those few questions, an infinite amount of others emerge over time.
Personally, I tend not to use it as a term, preferring to describe a hardcore band in terms of its chronology (either its years of being or the years in which it harks back to) but most often via its style (youth crew, thrash, positive etc). One could cynically remark that the fact a radio station is holding a night dedicated to such a redundant term says a lot about the popularity of hardcore right now and the fruitless attempts by ****s in the establishment (this is the fucking BBC let's remember) to cash in on it and "capture a niche".
All the information is out there for you should you really want it Harriet. Don't rely on misconceptions of DJs for an education in the ways of the core.