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Intifada
25th May 2004, 19:56
Ex-Marine Staff Sergeant Jimmy Massey talks about his time in Iraq where he admitted the U.S. treatment of Iraqi civilians is fueling the Iraqi resistance. In a recent interview he said "I felt like we were committing genocide in Iraq."

Interview (http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/05/24/148212)

Capitalist Imperial
25th May 2004, 20:09
Interesting article chronicling one man's interpretation and opinion.

Why didn't the Iraqi civilians stop their cars after they were warned with a warning shot? Car-bombs are a reality, and US forces have to assume the worst in those situations.

lucid
25th May 2004, 20:29
Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 07:56 PM
Ex-Marine Staff Sergeant Jimmy Massey talks about his time in Iraq where he admitted the U.S. treatment of Iraqi civilians is fueling the Iraqi resistance. In a recent interview he said "I felt like we were committing genocide in Iraq."

Interview (http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/05/24/148212)
Your nothing but a pathetic, anti-american, brainwashed zombie.

Invader Zim
25th May 2004, 20:47
Originally posted by lucid+May 25 2004, 08:29 PM--> (lucid @ May 25 2004, 08:29 PM)
[email protected] 25 2004, 07:56 PM
Ex-Marine Staff Sergeant Jimmy Massey talks about his time in Iraq where he admitted the U.S. treatment of Iraqi civilians is fueling the Iraqi resistance. In a recent interview he said "I felt like we were committing genocide in Iraq."

Interview (http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/05/24/148212)
Your nothing but a pathetic, anti-american, brainwashed zombie. [/b]
Well that was certainly, a truly insiteful opinion, which has really opened my eyes, and given me a whole new perspective of the world. I thank you, from the bottom of my heart, as I am sure does ihatebush.

Capitalist Imperial, please keep this puppy on a leash, before he tears us all to pieces with these hugley well thought out, and detailed arguments.

Yours Enigma.

Kurai Tsuki
25th May 2004, 21:07
Why would you post a great article like that in Opposing Ideologies, it deserves to be in Politics. <_< Don&#39;t leave it to the mercy of the reactionary dummies.

lucid
25th May 2004, 21:20
Originally posted by Enigma+May 25 2004, 08:47 PM--> (Enigma @ May 25 2004, 08:47 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 08:29 PM

[email protected] 25 2004, 07:56 PM
Ex-Marine Staff Sergeant Jimmy Massey talks about his time in Iraq where he admitted the U.S. treatment of Iraqi civilians is fueling the Iraqi resistance. In a recent interview he said "I felt like we were committing genocide in Iraq."

Interview (http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/05/24/148212)
Your nothing but a pathetic, anti-american, brainwashed zombie.
Well that was certainly, a truly insiteful opinion, which has really opened my eyes, and given me a whole new perspective of the world. I thank you, from the bottom of my heart, as I am sure does ihatebush.

Capitalist Imperial, please keep this puppy on a leash, before he tears us all to pieces with these hugley well thought out, and detailed arguments.

Yours Enigma. [/b]
If all of his super biased bs posts havn&#39;t opened your eyes I doubt I will.

Invader Zim
25th May 2004, 21:23
Originally posted by lucid+May 25 2004, 09:20 PM--> (lucid @ May 25 2004, 09:20 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 08:47 PM

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 08:29 PM

[email protected] 25 2004, 07:56 PM
Ex-Marine Staff Sergeant Jimmy Massey talks about his time in Iraq where he admitted the U.S. treatment of Iraqi civilians is fueling the Iraqi resistance. In a recent interview he said "I felt like we were committing genocide in Iraq."

Interview (http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/05/24/148212)
Your nothing but a pathetic, anti-american, brainwashed zombie.
Well that was certainly, a truly insiteful opinion, which has really opened my eyes, and given me a whole new perspective of the world. I thank you, from the bottom of my heart, as I am sure does ihatebush.

Capitalist Imperial, please keep this puppy on a leash, before he tears us all to pieces with these hugley well thought out, and detailed arguments.

Yours Enigma.
If all of his super biased bs posts havn&#39;t opened your eyes I doubt I will. [/b]
Now theres the pot and the kettle&#33;

Stop being so damn aggressive, there was absolutly no need for that hostility.

refuse_resist
26th May 2004, 06:28
Originally posted by lucid+May 25 2004, 08:29 PM--> (lucid @ May 25 2004, 08:29 PM)
[email protected] 25 2004, 07:56 PM
Ex-Marine Staff Sergeant Jimmy Massey talks about his time in Iraq where he admitted the U.S. treatment of Iraqi civilians is fueling the Iraqi resistance. In a recent interview he said "I felt like we were committing genocide in Iraq."

Interview (http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/05/24/148212)
Your nothing but a pathetic, anti-american, brainwashed zombie. [/b]
You&#39;re the only one who&#39;s brainwashed by your corporate pro-capitalist media.

lucid
26th May 2004, 13:53
Originally posted by refuse_resist+May 26 2004, 06:28 AM--> (refuse_resist @ May 26 2004, 06:28 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 08:29 PM

[email protected] 25 2004, 07:56 PM
Ex-Marine Staff Sergeant Jimmy Massey talks about his time in Iraq where he admitted the U.S. treatment of Iraqi civilians is fueling the Iraqi resistance. In a recent interview he said "I felt like we were committing genocide in Iraq."

Interview (http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/05/24/148212)
Your nothing but a pathetic, anti-american, brainwashed zombie.
You&#39;re the only one who&#39;s brainwashed by your corporate pro-capitalist media. [/b]
Haha Pro-capitalists media. I don&#39;t what kind of news you get over there in California but over here our news is hardly pro-capitalists.

lucid
26th May 2004, 14:00
ihatebush just pisses me off because all he posts are bullshit links to anti-american/israel websites. It would be like me coming on here an just posting articles from www.celebratecapitalism.com all the time. This article is a perfect example. You have some idiot that rushes towards a military checkpoint and doesn&#39;t stop even when they start firing in the air. He ignores all of that and just points out the negatives.

dopediana
26th May 2004, 16:04
i&#39;ve got a proposition for you, lucid. tell me why you disagree with the statement that the treatment of iraqi civilians by US troops are encouraging the iraqi resistance.

Capitalist Imperial
26th May 2004, 16:19
Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 02:00 PM
ihatebush just pisses me off because all he posts are bullshit links to anti-american/israel websites. It would be like me coming on here an just posting articles from www.celebratecapitalism.com all the time. This article is a perfect example. You have some idiot that rushes towards a military checkpoint and doesn&#39;t stop even when they start firing in the air. He ignores all of that and just points out the negatives.
I agree whole-heartedly about the Iraqi drivers.

These Iraqis seem to have received clear warning shots to stop, and in a clearly established and hot war-zone at that. Why didn&#39;t they stop? In an era and region where car bombs are an insurgent terrorist weapon of choice, it seems to me that the soldiers made the right decision in this particular situaton.

How was this mistreatment?

Also, we must consider the source of these articles.

This media outlet is just as bad as Pacifica radio in Berkely.

lucid
26th May 2004, 16:19
Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 04:04 PM
i&#39;ve got a proposition for you, lucid. tell me why you disagree with the statement that the treatment of iraqi civilians by US troops are encouraging the iraqi resistance.
Of course it&#39;s encouraging Iraqi restistance. It gives them a fucked up excuse for killing people. They know that they will get sympothy from people like you and the media. They know that the facts don&#39;t matter and all that people will see is "civilians killed". They know that people will ignore the fact that these civilians where racing towards an armed check point and wouldn&#39;t stop even when given warning shots. The person driving that car should be held responsible for not stopping. If he would of stopped, like any sane person would, then we wouldn&#39;t be having this conversation. It&#39;s a personal responsibilty thing that I doubt you would understand.

Do civilians become combatents when they ignore a military check point? I know in the US if you ignore a police checkpoint you will get thrown in jail and if you raced towards a police officer you would get shot at.

revolutionindia
26th May 2004, 16:19
Lucid are you still in the US.

Pack your bags man and leave
.My uncle osama and
his buddies are planning something big
for america in the coming weeks.

If something happens to you
then what will happen to us.

Whose posts shall will we read for our daily dose of humour.

Capitalist Imperial
26th May 2004, 16:27
Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 04:19 PM
Lucid are you still in the US.

Pack your bags man and leave
.My uncle osama and
his buddies are planning something big
for america in the coming weeks.

If something happens to you
then what will happen to us.

Whose posts shall will we read for our daily dose of humour.
We are not scared of "Osama and his buddies".

If you haven&#39;t learned by now, the US does not capitulate to terrorism or terrorist threats.

Lucid and I will be fine, and American diligence will be maintained. Any subsequent attacks on American soil will be much harder to execute than 9/11 was.

Even is something doees happen, we will be steadfast, and become even stronger.

If you want to try and scare someone, talk to Spain.

lucid
26th May 2004, 16:28
Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 04:19 PM
Lucid are you still in the US.

Pack your bags man and leave
.My uncle osama and
his buddies are planning something big
for america in the coming weeks.

If something happens to you
then what will happen to us.

Whose posts shall will we read for our daily dose of humour.
Yeah, I am in the US. You and Osama can bring it on. I am not worried about either. Just hope the US doesn&#39;t tie anything Osama does back to your country or my military brothers will turn that cat box you call home into a waste land.

Your nothing but a joke if Osama is the best you have.

Misodoctakleidist
26th May 2004, 16:28
Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 04:19 PM
Of course it&#39;s encouraging Iraqi restistance. It gives them a fucked up excuse for killing people. They know that they will get sympothy from people like you and the media. They know that the facts don&#39;t matter and all that people will see is "civilians killed". They know that people will ignore the fact that these civilians where racing towards an armed check point and wouldn&#39;t stop even when given warning shots. The person driving that car should be held responsible for not stopping. If he would of stopped, like any sane person would, then we wouldn&#39;t be having this conversation. It&#39;s a personal responsibilty thing that I doubt you would understand.

Do civilians become combatents when they ignore a military check point? I know in the US if you ignore a police checkpoint you will get thrown in jail and if you raced towards a police officer you would get shot at.
And what about deaf people?

Perhaps they didn&#39;t stop because they were so scared of the American troops, considering they way they&#39;ve treated Iraqis that would certainly by a reasonable fear.


It gives them a fucked up excuse for killing people.

Yeah, because they just like killing people for fun, please&#33; Don&#39;t tell me you&#39;re actualy stupid enough to believe that.

Capitalist Imperial
26th May 2004, 16:34
Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 04:28 PM
And what about deaf people?

Perhaps they didn&#39;t stop because they were so scared of the American troops, considering they way they&#39;ve treated Iraqis that would certainly by a reasonable fear.


It gives them a fucked up excuse for killing people.

Yeah, because they just like killing people for fun, please&#33; Don&#39;t tell me you&#39;re actualy stupid enough to believe that.

And what about deaf people?

Come on, Miso.


Perhaps they didn&#39;t stop because they were so scared of the American troops, considering they way they&#39;ve treated Iraqis that would certainly by a reasonable fear.

True, but considering that you are receiving warning shots, the hypothetical danger of possible mistreatment becomes a guarantee of being straight-up shot. They should have stopped.



Yeah, because they just like killing people for fun, please&#33; Don&#39;t tell me you&#39;re actualy stupid enough to believe that.

Are you going to apply this comment to alleged innocent civilian Iraqi deaths by US troops as well?

revolutionindia
26th May 2004, 16:37
Originally posted by Capitalist Imperial+May 26 2004, 09:49 PM--> (Capitalist Imperial &#064; May 26 2004, 09:49 PM)
[email protected] 26 2004, 02:00 PM
ihatebush just pisses me off because all he posts are bullshit links to anti-american/israel websites. It would be like me coming on here an just posting articles from www.celebratecapitalism.com all the time. This article is a perfect example. You have some idiot that rushes towards a military checkpoint and doesn&#39;t stop even when they start firing in the air. He ignores all of that and just points out the negatives.
I agree whole-heartedly about the Iraqi drivers.

These Iraqis seem to have received clear warning shots to stop, and in a clearly established and hot war-zone at that. Why didn&#39;t they stop? In an era and region where car bombs are an insurgent terrorist weapon of choice, it seems to me that the soldiers made the right decision in this particular situaton.

How was this mistreatment?

Also, we must consider the source of these articles.

This media outlet is just as bad as Pacifica radio in Berkely. [/b]
The iraqi&#39;s drivers thought the U.S soldiers were
stopping them so that they can rape iraqi women and children
and then take the men to abu gharib prison to fuck them also.

Thats why they tried to escape.
You can&#39;t blame them better to die than suffer american torture

Americans will fuck anything that has a hole from animals,children to a doughnut.

They probalby fucked the dead people they shot just like they did in abu garibh prison

I think its called necrophiliia which is a fascination for dead and lifeless things
Necrophillics just cannot stand life and the most famous necrophillic person i know
was Hitler.

For every 1 photo or video of iraqi prisoner abuse
there are 99 other videos and photos which have
not yet been preimered

American soldiers kill because they hate life and anything living.

lucid
26th May 2004, 16:37
Originally posted by Misodoctakleidist+May 26 2004, 04:28 PM--> (Misodoctakleidist &#064; May 26 2004, 04:28 PM)
[email protected] 26 2004, 04:19 PM
Of course it&#39;s encouraging Iraqi restistance. It gives them a fucked up excuse for killing people. They know that they will get sympothy from people like you and the media. They know that the facts don&#39;t matter and all that people will see is "civilians killed". They know that people will ignore the fact that these civilians where racing towards an armed check point and wouldn&#39;t stop even when given warning shots. The person driving that car should be held responsible for not stopping. If he would of stopped, like any sane person would, then we wouldn&#39;t be having this conversation. It&#39;s a personal responsibilty thing that I doubt you would understand.

Do civilians become combatents when they ignore a military check point? I know in the US if you ignore a police checkpoint you will get thrown in jail and if you raced towards a police officer you would get shot at.
And what about deaf people?

Perhaps they didn&#39;t stop because they were so scared of the American troops, considering they way they&#39;ve treated Iraqis that would certainly by a reasonable fear.


It gives them a fucked up excuse for killing people.

Yeah, because they just like killing people for fun, please&#33; Don&#39;t tell me you&#39;re actualy stupid enough to believe that. [/b]
Deaf people huh. Thats a good one&#33; Maybe they had jimmied the stearing wheel so the car would just go straight and where all asleep. A deaf person would be able to see a checkpoint and people shooting automatic rifles in the air.

Your "they were so scared" excuse is pretty stupid to. I don&#39;t know about you but I don&#39;t run towards something that I feel threatened by.

They may have a few nuts, just like our military does, that does enjoy killing but I don&#39;t think most of them do. Your talking about people that have been brought up around killing. They are taught to hate the US in school. They are not fighting because they have some &#39;plan&#39; for Iraq. They are fighting because they don&#39;t know what else to do. If we pulled out Iraq would just end up being led by another fucked up dictator.

Capitalist Imperial
26th May 2004, 17:10
Originally posted by revolutionindia+May 26 2004, 04:37 PM--> (revolutionindia @ May 26 2004, 04:37 PM)
Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 26 2004, 09:49 PM

[email protected] 26 2004, 02:00 PM
ihatebush just pisses me off because all he posts are bullshit links to anti-american/israel websites. It would be like me coming on here an just posting articles from www.celebratecapitalism.com all the time. This article is a perfect example. You have some idiot that rushes towards a military checkpoint and doesn&#39;t stop even when they start firing in the air. He ignores all of that and just points out the negatives.
I agree whole-heartedly about the Iraqi drivers.

These Iraqis seem to have received clear warning shots to stop, and in a clearly established and hot war-zone at that. Why didn&#39;t they stop? In an era and region where car bombs are an insurgent terrorist weapon of choice, it seems to me that the soldiers made the right decision in this particular situaton.

How was this mistreatment?

Also, we must consider the source of these articles.

This media outlet is just as bad as Pacifica radio in Berkely.
The iraqi&#39;s drivers thought the U.S soldiers were
stopping them so that they can rape iraqi women and children
and then take the men to abu gharib prison to fuck them also.

Thats why they tried to escape.
You can&#39;t blame them better to die than suffer american torture

Americans will fuck anything that has a hole from animals,children to a doughnut.

They probalby fucked the dead people they shot just like they did in abu garibh prison

I think its called necrophiliia which is a fascination for dead and lifeless things
Necrophillics just cannot stand life and the most famous necrophillic person i know
was Hitler.

For every 1 photo or video of iraqi prisoner abuse
there are 99 other videos and photos which have
not yet been preimered

American soldiers kill because they hate life and anything living. [/b]
Revolutionindia, please continue posting on behalf of leftists everywhere.

I beg you.

lucid
26th May 2004, 17:15
Originally posted by revolutionindia+May 26 2004, 04:37 PM--> (revolutionindia @ May 26 2004, 04:37 PM)
Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 26 2004, 09:49 PM

[email protected] 26 2004, 02:00 PM
ihatebush just pisses me off because all he posts are bullshit links to anti-american/israel websites. It would be like me coming on here an just posting articles from www.celebratecapitalism.com all the time. This article is a perfect example. You have some idiot that rushes towards a military checkpoint and doesn&#39;t stop even when they start firing in the air. He ignores all of that and just points out the negatives.
I agree whole-heartedly about the Iraqi drivers.

These Iraqis seem to have received clear warning shots to stop, and in a clearly established and hot war-zone at that. Why didn&#39;t they stop? In an era and region where car bombs are an insurgent terrorist weapon of choice, it seems to me that the soldiers made the right decision in this particular situaton.

How was this mistreatment?

Also, we must consider the source of these articles.

This media outlet is just as bad as Pacifica radio in Berkely.
The iraqi&#39;s drivers thought the U.S soldiers were
stopping them so that they can rape iraqi women and children
and then take the men to abu gharib prison to fuck them also.

Thats why they tried to escape.
You can&#39;t blame them better to die than suffer american torture

Americans will fuck anything that has a hole from animals,children to a doughnut.

They probalby fucked the dead people they shot just like they did in abu garibh prison

I think its called necrophiliia which is a fascination for dead and lifeless things
Necrophillics just cannot stand life and the most famous necrophillic person i know
was Hitler.

For every 1 photo or video of iraqi prisoner abuse
there are 99 other videos and photos which have
not yet been preimered

Americans kill because they hate life and anything living [/b]
Yep, looks like someone has found our hidden agenda. It&#39;s not about oil or money, it&#39;s about fucking. You may wanna go ahead and lube yourself up with KY cuz we might be coming your way.

BTW - Do you have any dogs?

dopediana
26th May 2004, 18:34
don&#39;t be fooled by the pictures of GIs giving women and children flowers.

look at the innocent prisoners at abu graihb and tell me what you admire about america there. liberation my ass. those people were put in the prison mostly on suspicious pretexts. no cause, no protection of habeas corpus, and the excuse? war.

if america, as a "free democracy promoting liberation of oppressed peoples" doesn&#39;t have to yield to anyone, what right do they have to STOP IRAQIS IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY? i want you to admit that you know damn well america does not care about iraq. or else it would not be an "occupation" as they call it. would americans stop at a checkpoint in their own country? probably not unless they were sensible pussies. this sounds a bit radical, i&#39;ve no idea why they didn&#39;t stop, but america does not have the right to waltz into a strange land, drop bombs on people, and then expect them to live by their rules and succumb out of fear alone. good for the iraqis who didn&#39;t stop and not yielding to imperialistic terrorists. and good for the soldiers who shot them down and revealing the true horror at the heart of uncle sam&#39;s system.


oh, and revolucionindia? SHUT THE BLOODY FUCK UP&#33;

revolutionindia
27th May 2004, 04:12
oh, and revolucionindia? SHUT THE BLOODY FUCK UP&#33;
ok


BTW - Do you have any dogs?
No why?