Wing Distinction

[themessiah]

Allright.

This board is supposed to be left wing. Communist. Left wing is supposed to be more tolerant of ALL peoples. Like regardless of race, religion, gender and so on.

However, I have noticed some very disturbing trends especially when it comes to religion. People of the Jewish and Catholic faith are insulted and berated NON STOP. The level of anti jewish sentiment on this board is ridiculous. It is phrased through insulting and berating the nation state of Israel. As for Catholics, twice as bad. Although I do not see why. The similarities between catholocism and communism are as frequent as they are obvious.

I can understand being bigoted towards protestantism. It is the forerunner to capitalism, and is literally the reason WHY it, capitalism, exists. The opposite holds true here. I can understand being bigoted towards Islam. Their mistreatment and subjegation of women places our entire species in a pre civilized state of governing. Protestantism, on this front, is just as bad. But on this board, ISLAM and PROTESTANTISM are treated and reverred with much more respect than the CATHOLICISM or JUDAISM.

Why?

My guess would be because it is populated with the run of the mill, american protestant who just spits out their brand of socialism without ever looking into the fine print. I am tolerant of ALL religious affiliation. BUDHISM and HINDUISM and JUDAISM, ISLAM, CATHOLOCISM AND PROTESTANTISM. The hypocrisy around here on a basis of spiritual belief is uncondonable.

LEFT WING means tolerating ALL.

RIGHT WING means only tolerating SOME.

COMMUNISM IS LEFT WING.

what is this board again?

[Daniel Karssenberg]

I am right wing, or at least that is how most people here would surely call me. You say "Left wing is supposed to be more tolerant of ALL peoples", I have seen people have a signature named "Liberals should be shot", I've heard people saying that they hate all Americans.

I truly the doubt the average tolerance of the people on this site, I think the rule is more as such: I'm tolerant as long as you're Communist.

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I believe everyone's views should be respected, in order to get decent discussions. But for the short time I've been here. I discovered that this part of the forum is more about flaming rather than starting healthy and respectful discussions.

[monkeydust]

This board is supposed to be left wing. Communist. Left wing is supposed to be more tolerant of ALL peoples. Like regardless of race, religion, gender and so on.


What about the BNP, the KKK, or even Neo-Nazi's?

Should we tolerate them?

Of course not.

I'm all for toleration, but I recognise that some groups don't deserve our lenience, Christians among them.

To put it another way:

I don't tolerate the intolerant.


The level of anti jewish sentiment on this board is ridiculous. It is phrased through insulting and berating the nation state of Israel.

Many people here dislike Israel, that's true.

Though this isn't necessarily due to staunch anti-semitism, but merely because the politicians in Israel today are right bastards.


I can understand being bigoted towards protestantism

You don't even need to say it.

It's clear that you're a Catholic....... right?

[Shredder]

I don't agree that left-wing means tolerating all.

I don't care if Israel is Jewish or Martian. I'm an equal-opportunity critic.

Also, you suck.

[BOZG]

Where's the plane though?

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Not all Communists, Leftwingers are tolerant people. ComradeRAF par example advocates the excecution of clergy&#39;s. <_< I on the other hand oppose that. I say that we should "destroy" religion through debate.

Communism is anti-religion. No matter if you&#39;re Islamic, Christian, Hindu we oppose your religion.

We are against the repression of Women in the fundementalist cultures, among them Islam. I say fundementalist cultur on porpuse, because not all Islamists are like that. The number of Islamists who oppose those "old values" is quite high. Just like we oppose repressions by all religions.

It seems like we on Che-lives tolerate the repressive culture under Islam, but nothing could be further from the truth. The Rightwingers on this board are often Christians or are symphatatic to. When they attack the Muslims ,we try to show the Cappies that the Christian culture isn&#39;t "less" innoncent. This is often experienced as defence of Islamic culture. Utterly wrong.

People deserve respect, religions do not, especially not from Communists.

[Misodoctakleidist]

Allright.

This board is supposed to be left wing. Communist. Left wing is supposed to be more tolerant of ALL peoples. Like regardless of race, religion, gender and so on.

However, I have noticed some very disturbing trends especially when it comes to religion. People of the Jewish and Catholic faith are insulted and berated NON STOP. The level of anti jewish sentiment on this board is ridiculous. It is phrased through insulting and berating the nation state of Israel. As for Catholics, twice as bad. Although I do not see why.

This is rather hypocritical considering the amount of bigotry which followed this in your post.

How is criticising Isreal anti-jewish? Perhaps is someone hated Isreal becuase theity were anti-jewish but hating Isreal doesn&#39;t make you anti-jewish just like hating Italy doesn&#39;t make you anti-catholic and hating Iran doesn&#39;t make you anti-muslim.


The similarities between catholocism and communism are as frequent as they are obvious.


I can understand being bigoted towards protestantism.

Are you a catholic by any chance?


I can understand being bigoted towards protestantism. It is the forerunner to capitalism, and is literally the reason WHY it, capitalism, exists.

Only if you subscibe to the theories of Max Weber, i personly don&#39;t.


I can understand being bigoted towards Islam. Their mistreatment and subjegation of women places our entire species in a pre civilized state of governing.

Where as catholocism is so progressive; anti-abortion, anti-contraception, anti-divorce ect.

Islam subegates women no more than christianity or just about any other religion that you wish to mention.

It seems that you&#39;re an intolerant bigot, how ironic.


My guess would be because it is populated with the run of the mill, american protestant who just spits out their brand of socialism without ever looking into the fine print.

Wouldn&#39;t that make them anti-muslim and pro-jewish?

The majority of memeber on this board live outside the US.


I am tolerant of ALL religious affiliation. BUDHISM and HINDUISM and JUDAISM, ISLAM, CATHOLOCISM AND PROTESTANTISM.

Thats not the impression you gave earlier in the post.


The hypocrisy around here on a basis of spiritual belief is uncondonable.

It&#39;s also fictional.

[Pawn Power]

The level of anti jewish sentiment on this board is ridiculous. It is phrased through insulting and berating the nation state of Israel.

dont get anti israel comments mixed up as anti jewish. Even though israel is predominatly jewish it does not me when one criticizes isreal they are criticizing jews, it is the goverment which is being criticized

and you can criticize a religion, you are not born into a religion you choose one or dont choose one

religion is criticized on these forumes because religion causes hatred, i am not saying thats what is teaches, but thats what it causes and you must understand this

[themessiah]

basstard:

where would you get the idea that communism is anti religion? oh yeah, marx said that religion is the opiate of the massess. that would mean that marx is, instead of being anti religious like all of you think it means, anti opiate. especially anti opiate as it effects the massess. so he is against TV, SPORTING EVENTS, PUBLIC TRIALS and EXECUTIONS, PORNO and LUXURY since they ALL opiate the massess. what you people understand is the capitalist version of communism. remember this: CAPITALISM IS 10X AS ANTI RELIGIOUS AS COMMUNISM IS.

repeat

CAPITALISM IS 10X AS ANTI RELIGIOUS AS COMMUNISM IS

misdokteliatiainsit:

or whatever in the name of fuck your name is

communism is about the whole. catholocism, as you cite their archaic and evil practices, are ONLY in favour of the same whole. especially in reagrds to protecting and insisting upon family values. the destructive nature of capitalism, in example, the THROW AWAY, DISPOSABLE mentality ( razors, diapers, tissue, cameras...contact lenses...fetuses )
is best seen in these examples. marriage don&#39;t work? don&#39;t fix it- end it&#33; the trillion dollar marriage industry of cakes and receptions and invitations needs MORE MORE MORE&#33;&#33;&#33; sex for the sake of fucking, ah, just like as seen in the trillion dollar porno industry. condomes and foams and sponges, lubrications, lingerie, hookers, swings and exstasy. MORE&#33;&#33;&#33; all single use of course. fuck a MEANINGFUL relationship that might last. where&#39;s the profit? and of course abortion. cheaper than actually raising a kid. and you can have as many as you want for three hundred a pop. fuck - you can have one a week if you want to. the clinics actually would LIKE IT. MORE&#33;&#33;&#33;

all these examples contradict what is necessary for communism to work. less excess, as is the hallmark of capitalism, and more time and effort into making things work. the modern idea of liberalism is a PRODUCT of THE RIGHT WING. and YOU are a TOOL of it.

anyway, I don&#39;t see any other religion except for Islam forcing women to be castrated and walk around in public hiding their faces. for fuck all.

[Raisa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 01:18 AM
CAPITALISM IS 10X AS ANTI RELIGIOUS AS COMMUNISM IS.

repeat

CAPITALISM IS 10X AS ANTI RELIGIOUS AS COMMUNISM IS

The thing is not that capitalism is religous or not. Capitalism doesnt give a flying shit at all......and thats why there is relgion. Because of the opression isolation and destitute from capitalism.

The whole which catholicism and communism want are not the same, catholicism is not trying to get rid of social classes.
While Catholicism pays attention to sinning....Communism is focusing on eradicating the system that makes us sin.

[Raisa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 06:26 PM


LEFT WING means tolerating ALL.

RIGHT WING means only tolerating SOME.

COMMUNISM IS LEFT WING.


Yes. Communists tolerate all people, and part of tolerating all people is not tolerating ideas ....that dont tolerate all of them.

This is why for example, communists do not tolerate racism, or fascism. These ideas do not tolerate all people.

[themessiah]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 10:58 PM

While Catholicism pays attention to sinning....Communism is focusing on eradicating the system that makes us sin.
so they are both interested in alleviating sin

a similarity I was unaware of until you pointed it out to me

well done

[redstar2000]

This board is supposed to be left wing. Communist. Left wing is supposed to be more tolerant of ALL peoples. Like regardless of race, religion, gender and so on.

Nope.

"Free Speech" for Reactionaries? (http://redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net/theory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1083860068&archive=&cnshow=headlines&start_from=&ucat=&)

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net)
A site about communist ideas

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 06:26 PM
LEFT WING means tolerating ALL.

RIGHT WING means only tolerating SOME.

COMMUNISM IS LEFT WING.

what is this board again?

Tolerant of *what*, though ?

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 04:36 AM

This board is supposed to be left wing. Communist. Left wing is supposed to be more tolerant of ALL peoples. Like regardless of race, religion, gender and so on.

Nope.

"Free Speech" for Reactionaries? (http://redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net/theory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1083860068&archive=&cnshow=headlines&start_from=&ucat=&)

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net)
A site about communist ideas

"Tolerance" of reactionary ideas always has a single consequence: the victory of reactionary ideas.

In other words, suppression of freedom of speech of anything you consider "reactionary" and presumably violence if they don&#39;t obey.

Tell us all about why Nazism was so evil again, would you Redstar ?


You know it was&#33; East German tolerance for religion was one of the factors that led directly to its demise as a "socialist experiment".

You mean communism can only "win" by shutting up everyone who dissagrees with it ? What does that tell you about it&#39;s credibility ?

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Don&#39;t put as all in the same corner. Not all commies think like that. I believe in debating. If the people become convinced of Communism instead of the leaders, then you have a guarantee against counter-revolutions. The people must know the other ideologies, they must figure out by themselves, why those systems are inhumane.

With leaders who carry the responsibility over the people, you make the people dependant on the leaders, a perfect base for dictatorship. When a leader dies, it causes instability, there is no such problem in Anarchism. The people know what they want, they are not told what they want.

[apathy maybe]

Why aren&#39;t you a Mod yet NSB?

That is something that many people make a mistake of doing. You CAN&#39;T group all leftists under one banner. While I agree with redstar2000 on many things I disagree with him on others, as I do with other leftists around this board and in "real life".

And I know that it already has been covered by to say it again, most people on this board are not anti-Jewish or even anti-Israelly (sp?). What they are anti, is the pollicies of the government of the state of Israel. I think you will find that most people think that under the present system (world-wide), the system in Israel is prefered to that in most Arab states. But this does not mean we are anti-Arab.

And I don&#39;t know about you, but I find that many people here are anti all organised religions. They don&#39;t care what the religion is, just that it is organised. The attack on Catholicism is no worse then that on any other religion (except when a Catholic comes along and starts defending their faith, but this happens for other religions as well). And I believe that there are some Protestant sects that are far closer to being communists then Catholics. And some that are further away, Protestantism covers a wide varient of ideas.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

I don&#39;t have enough support to be a mod. I quit my job and school is easy, so I have nothing to do now. I should hook up with our Socialist Party, but they are so populist, authoritian and not against-capitalism. The leader is a (former) maoist, who has apparantly lost his idealism.

[Osman Ghazi]

[QUOTE]anyway, I don&#39;t see any other religion except for Islam forcing women to be castrated QUOTE]

How do they cut off women&#39;s balls?

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Actually the women&#39;s "castration" isn&#39;t something islamic. This is a misconception. The "castration" happend even before those particulair places in Africa were invaded by Muslims. Still to this day, it doesn&#39;t happen anywhere else then those particulair places. Local clergy&#39;s often use Islam as an excuse to maintain this retarded tradition.

[redstar2000]

In other words, suppression of freedom of speech of anything you consider "reactionary" and presumably violence if they don&#39;t obey.

Pretty close, but not exact.

What I expect to happen is that a consensus will emerge within the revolutionary working class over what will be considered "intolerable" speech...and that consensus will be enforced by any means necessary.

It will not be me or any single individual or small group of individuals that decides these matters. It will be the working class that collectively makes this decision.

My voice will be one of advocacy...don&#39;t tolerate those bastards&#33;

I might add that this is exactly the situation "in miniature" at Che-Lives. People say things in their posts...and others say this is "ok" or this is "reactionary crap" that "should not be tolerated" on this board.

Often we have lengthy discussion and actual votes on the contents of people&#39;s posts and "what they really meant by that".

I am, as you might suspect, a voice of "intolerance" for reactionary crap.

I lose more votes than I win...so far.


Tell us all about why Nazism was so evil again, would you Redstar?

I&#39;ll leave that one for you, since it was your class (or the class that you support) that actually brought the Nazis to power in Germany.

The general consensus among capitalist ideologues appears to be something like: "Nazism is an effective weapon against communism and workers; but its crucial drawback is that it loses imperialist wars".

What Bush, Kerry, et.al. seem to really want is a "practical Nazism"...one that "really works".


You mean communism can only "win" by shutting up everyone who disagrees with it? What does that tell you about its credibility?

The same thing that the behavior of the capitalist class has told us for the last couple of centuries about its credibility.

Whenever and wherever significant political dissent from capitalism emerges, the capitalist response has been repression of "free speech", prison, torture, and massacre.

Do you imagine that we are going to "play fair" with you when you have never "played fair" with us?

Fascism was your creation and communists with any sense are never going to forget that.

On the eve of revolution, be a "smart cappie". Move yourself, your liquid assets, and your family (in that order) out of the country.

And don&#39;t say you weren&#39;t warned.

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net)
A site about communist ideas

[revolutionindia]

Hey redstar2000 .Long time since I have come across your posts in this forum

Anyway how&#39;s your left and right brain working :D

Just joking :)

[Misodoctakleidist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 01:18 AM
communism is about the whole. catholocism, as you cite their archaic and evil practices, are ONLY in favour of the same whole. especially in reagrds to protecting and insisting upon family values. the destructive nature of capitalism, in example, the THROW AWAY, DISPOSABLE mentality ( razors, diapers, tissue, cameras...contact lenses...fetuses )
is best seen in these examples. marriage don&#39;t work? don&#39;t fix it- end it&#33; the trillion dollar marriage industry of cakes and receptions and invitations needs MORE MORE MORE&#33;&#33;&#33; sex for the sake of fucking, ah, just like as seen in the trillion dollar porno industry. condomes and foams and sponges, lubrications, lingerie, hookers, swings and exstasy. MORE&#33;&#33;&#33; all single use of course. fuck a MEANINGFUL relationship that might last. where&#39;s the profit? and of course abortion. cheaper than actually raising a kid. and you can have as many as you want for three hundred a pop. fuck - you can have one a week if you want to. the clinics actually would LIKE IT. MORE&#33;&#33;&#33;
Communism doesn&#39;t supress the right to abortion or divorce and it certainly doesn&#39;t uphols "family values," that&#39;s called conservatism.


all these examples contradict what is necessary for communism to work. less excess, as is the hallmark of capitalism, and more time and effort into making things work. the modern idea of liberalism is a PRODUCT of THE RIGHT WING. and YOU are a TOOL of it.

I&#39;m a tool of the right wing?&#33;&#33; :lol:

You seem to be very confused about what communism actualy is, if you want to continue your sexist, homophobic catholic traditions then join the conservative party, you&#39;re certainly no communist.

The way to go on about your religion, i don&#39;t think your in any position to call anyone else a "tool."


anyway, I don&#39;t see any other religion except for Islam forcing women to be castrated and walk around in public hiding their faces. for fuck all.


I Corinthians 11:4-7
Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head. But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

[themessiah]

I meant female circumcision

my mistake

misodockoteleist:

my point is basic. as such you should understand. all these things: divorce and abortion and so on are only advocated by people such as you because they are presumed to be liberal in their doctrine. they are not. they are advocated in our society because they PRODUCE REVENUE. any communist should be made aware of what they are being USED for. advocating and upholding profit at the price of human misery.

my religion has nothing to do with any of this. your intolerance of religion has everything to do with all of this.

at least I don&#39;t pretend to be things that I am not. I am a liberal. for I do not support intolerance, bigomy, and creation of capital. and even better is that I do not suport the generation of capital over HORRIBLE things such as abortion and divorce and a trillion dollar sex industry.

you are either very young or very stupid. or both.

[Professor Moneybags]

FUBAR

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 02:26 PM
What I expect to happen is that a consensus will emerge within the revolutionary working class over what will be considered "intolerable" speech...and that consensus will be enforced by any means necessary.

It will not be me or any single individual or small group of individuals that decides these matters. It will be the working class that collectively makes this decision.
So it&#39;s wrong if one person instigates fascism but okay for a few thousand agree on it. Fascism by consensus is still fascism.



Tell us all about why Nazism was so evil again, would you Redstar?

I&#39;ll leave that one for you, since it was your class (or the class that you support) that actually brought the Nazis to power in Germany.

I don&#39;t belong to any "class".


The general consensus among capitalist ideologues appears to be something like: "Nazism is an effective weapon against communism and workers; but its crucial drawback is that it loses imperialist wars".

What Bush, Kerry, et.al. seem to really want is a "practical Nazism"...one that "really works".

They&#39;re not capitalists. Bush advocates protectionism and Kerry...well...no comment needed.


The same thing that the behavior of the capitalist class has told us for the last couple of centuries about its credibility.

Whenever and wherever significant political dissent from capitalism emerges, the capitalist response has been repression of "free speech", prison, torture, and massacre.

How many anti-capitalist protestors were imprisoned, tortured and massacred earlier this month ? (Leaving aside the poor attendence figures for this year). Or during any previous protest ? Don&#39;t try and tell me your freedom of speech is "suppressed" because it isn&#39;t.


Fascism was your creation and communists with any sense are never going to forget that.

Fascism, as has already been explained a dozen times, was a product of the same collectivist Hegelian bunk that Marxism was forged from. Collectivism does not recognise individual rights and the results throughout history have always been the same.


On the eve of revolution, be a "smart cappie". Move yourself, your liquid assets, and your family (in that order) out of the country.

Or you&#39;ll what ? Send your master race of manual laborers after me ? War is a game two can play at, you know.

But also, if "we" leave and take everything with "us" then there will be no means of production for you to take over and you will learn that "we" were right- the hard way.

[abigratsass]

i really wish that ignorante comments about islam would stop so that o could stop making these posts about them and move to somthing more important (i cant ignore them&#33;&#33;)
if you dont know anything about islam then stop making posts about it&#33;&#33;
islamically its a &#39;&#39;taboo&#39;&#39; if you will to perform &#39;&#39;castration&#39;&#39; against girls , i live in egypt and actually preforming sercumstion ( i cant really spell&#33;) is performed against christians and muslims a like &#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; and i dont know about any other islamic arab countries that do this expet sudan so its basically an african thing.

actually one of the reasons this wasnt opperated against me is because its not islamic plus the obvious reasons of you shouldnt cut away a piece of someone body&#33;&#33;
and law-wise its also illegal&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

i beg you to stop spreading ignorant, weastern , stereo typical ideas about nations and culturs you know nothing about

[Raisa]

Originally posted by themessiah+May 26 2004, 03:46 AM--> (themessiah @ May 26 2004, 03:46 AM)
[email protected] 25 2004, 10:58 PM

While Catholicism pays attention to sinning....Communism is focusing on eradicating the system that makes us sin.
so they are both interested in alleviating sin

a similarity I was unaware of until you pointed it out to me

well done [/b]
You have missed the point, you realize.

Catholicism focuses on people being sinners....and places every thing on the individual to confess or " never do it again" or beg forgiveness or what have you.


Communism focuses on eradicating the system which is the reason for most of our "sins".

[Misodoctakleidist]

my point is basic. as such you should understand. all these things: divorce and abortion and so on are only advocated by people such as you because they are presumed to be liberal in their doctrine. they are not. they are advocated in our society because they PRODUCE REVENUE. any communist should be made aware of what they are being USED for. advocating and upholding profit at the price of human misery.

Nobody makes a profit from abortion, if the doctors were carrying out abortions they would be doing something else, perhaps cosmetic surgury, tell me, do you oppose that? Abortion doesn&#39;t cause "human misery," banning abortion however does.

Divorce has nothing to do with capitalism either and remaining married to someone you dont want causes "human misery."


my religion has nothing to do with any of this. your intolerance of religion has everything to do with all of this.

So it&#39;s just a coincidence that you are a catholic who opposes abortion and divorce? It&#39;s rather telling that i knew you were a catholic without you ever saying so. I&#39;m not intolerant of religion, I&#39;m intolerant of sexist, homophobic, anti-abortionists.


at least I don&#39;t pretend to be things that I am not.
well that&#39;s good...

I am a liberal.
...oh, maybe not.


for I do not support intolerancebigomy, and creation of capital.
You don&#39;t tolerate abortion or deivorce.

You expressed bigoted veiws towards muslims in this very thread.


you are either very young or very stupid. or both.

:rolleyes:

You seem to oppose everything that can be used to make money, that&#39;s why you oppose divorce and abortion, do you own a house? Do you wear clothes? Do you have a job?

[themessiah]

misdoctroratirist:

anything that makes money is capitalist. that is the LITERAL DEFINITION of the term. I am not pretending to be one. whereas you are pretending to be a communist and have not the most basic idea regarding what one is.

strange how I am making this thread about religious intolerance on this board, and you show me the same said intolerance I speak of. without saying anything towards the effect that I am actually jewish or catholic, you go ahead and not only attribute me as being one, but attribute BOTH of these faiths as being "homophobic and sexist".

you are aware that ONLY catholocism, AND NO OTHER RELIGIOUS FAITH on the globe, has a female deity of equal OR GREATER status than GOD. hows that for sexist, moron?

[STI]

anything that makes money is capitalist. that is the LITERAL DEFINITION of the term. I am not pretending to be one. whereas you are pretending to be a communist and have not the most basic idea regarding what one is.


If I go to work and make money, am I a capitalist? Hells no&#33;


you are aware that ONLY catholocism, AND NO OTHER RELIGIOUS FAITH on the globe, has a female deity of equal OR GREATER status than GOD. hows that for sexist, moron?

The virgin Mary is NOT a deity. She&#39;s basically on-par with the Saints. Such a belief has no biblical support, though. It&#39;s just add-ons.


You&#39;re not "Good at debating", as you&#39;ve told us you are. You&#39;re just "moderately effective" at insulting people, and "Highly successful" at making yourself look like a fuckwad.

Congrats.

[cubist]

yes mesiah people know catholicism is the only religion to be monotheist and rank a mere human who is fallable and a natural sinner against god (seeing as we are all sinners thanks to eve who affectively made humans sub human from gods intention), as high as the unfallable yaqweh. tell me messiah is paedophilia as acceptable as the priests think

[cubist]

socialist tiger catholics and protestants are very different. the protestants are the ones who follow the bible in more detail.

[STI]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 12:09 AM
socialist tiger catholics and protestants are very different. the protestants are the ones who follow the bible in more detail.
I know that. I was raised protestant. I&#39;m just pointing out the further ridiculousness of his oh-so-wonderful catholicism.

[themessiah]

first of all, the idiotic claims of pedophiliacs in the ranks of church clergy is sketchy at best. strange how nine out of ten of these priests are accused twenty years after the crime. strange how the accusations are never in criminal court and are always in civil court. strange how also very few of these accusations go to trial, and the priests wind up commiting suicide in prison. how they do so, IN PRISON, is a difficult point to conclude. strange how the VAST majority of these accusations are surfacing from deep within protestant dominated southern states where the klu klux klan have been, throughout their history, notorious for murdering and lynching catholics. FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS. strange how the protestant controlled media of this continent blows EVERY LAST accusation into a guilty until proven innocent charge. strange also in that for every thousand children that go missing, nine thousand and nine hundred are perpetrated by PROTESTANTS. but all of these "strange" things never see the light of day.

so much for religious tolerance when the mere mentioning of the word catholic has the accusation of pedophilia attached to it.

as for MARY, the virgin MOTHER of GOD, simple good old fashioned catholic logic. how can GOD, the greatest, be greater than that who birthed him?

answer? he cannot be.

MARY is thus GREATER than GOD.

but don&#39;t tell anybody. pedophiles AND sexists. anything else? I heard they are also into human sacrifice. something to do with a dude called Jesus.

[themessiah]

and they&#39;re ALSO vampires

transubstantiation

AND they are training their children to be soldiers by making them wear uniforms to school so they can attack all the good little pentecostals and baptisits and jehovah witnessess and anglicans and presbytarians and all the rest of them.

AND they lace their eucahrist with LSD

AND didn&#39;t you hear that Manson was a Catholic? so was bundy.

[STI]

I&#39;m not going to get into a theological debate with you, but, rest assured, the stuff you said can be easily deconstructed.

Honestly, you don&#39;t know enough to do half the bragging you do.

[cubist]

strange how there is no evidence of god but you think he exists. strange how the tripe you attempt to pass off as evidence is written alot more than 20 years after the creation your faith claims. strange how you always persecute yet claim to be persecuted. strange how you fail to proove gods existance yet claim mary mother of jesus (son of god) is the mother of god. strange how this means jesus is an incestial child. strange how mary is an unmarried virgin that gave birth. strange how you expect to be taken seriously. . . oh yeah because as you the accusations are twenty years old and unproven they must be lies. does that stand for the bible.

[robob8706]

I practice tolerance until I can find fault and fallacy. I constantly analyze society and what not, and it seems to me that fault and fallacy are very common and reocurring concepts

[Raisa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 12:22 AM


AND they lace their eucahrist with LSD


Bullshit&#33; they lace YOUR eucharist with LSD.....they saw you coming&#33;

[STI]

Originally posted by Raisa+May 27 2004, 02:00 AM--> (Raisa @ May 27 2004, 02:00 AM)
[email protected] 27 2004, 12:22 AM


AND they lace their eucahrist with LSD


Bullshit&#33; they lace YOUR eucharist with LSD.....they saw you coming&#33; [/b]
Well, that certainly would explain a lot

[Abby Normal]

Silly silly. Left wing does not mean tolerence - that would be liberal. Communism is not tolerence - it is conformity to the masses.

In the strictest sense &#39;left-wing&#39; refers to an economic philosophy - and one that I embrace, to some extent. However, these terms are often muddled. Since I am socially a conservative, Reactionary Monarchist rather than a Commie I am confined to this area, though. :lol:

[STI]

Wrong. Find me one place where Marx or Engles say anything like this.

[themessiah]

cube:

strange how you once more IGNORE the point of his thread. there is another just like it. I am criticizing members of this board for showing extreme intolerance towards catholics. and jews. and I am shown this extreme intolerance.

you cite this intolerance as being JUSTIFIABLE because Catholics are supposedly sexist. yet their GOD of most power is FEMALE. your intolerance is UNJUSTIFIABLE.

I did like your homage to my style

[Misodoctakleidist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 12:18 AM
strange also in that for every thousand children that go missing, nine thousand and nine hundred are perpetrated by PROTESTANTS.
:lol:

[themessiah]

I&#39;m taking your smilie to mean you think that is funny

I don&#39;t

but I am not about to become as intolerant towards protestants as you are towards catholics as a result

[themessiah]

now I see

that should read nine hundred of a thousand.

about fifty of the remaining hundred are abducted by catholics.

of the remaining fifty, 30 are of no discernable religion (wiccan, devil worship, etc.) 5 are buddhist 18 are Islam 6 are hindi and 1, if you canbelieve it, is Taoist.

[cubist]

messiah, firstly i hate all religion secondly in the bible it say women came from man so how is a woman god, thirdly everything you say about intolerance is a joke as catholics are so damn intolerant, why dont you post an essay on the persecution of your religion in china. i know why because millions have died for not believing in your god but you forget that dont you. we tolerate you by letting you post superstituos crap it doesnt mean we have to agree
, or even like it . read the communist manifesto better still read dunedx&#39;s thread marx is wrong in philosophy aswell

[themessiah]

the bible don&#39;t say where God came from

the bible don&#39;t say if God is a guy or a chick

the bible don&#39;t say alot

you say plenty

and all you say says you are stupid

[themessiah]

would like to move this post up to the top of the que

nobody else wants to contribute? I win

of course

[STI]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 01:37 AM
would like to move this post up to the top of the que

nobody else wants to contribute? I win

of course
You don&#39;t "win". You&#39;re a troll and people are tired of talking to a brick wall. There&#39;s a difference.

[DaCuBaN]

the bible don&#39;t say where God came from

the bible don&#39;t say if God is a guy or a chick

the bible don&#39;t say alot


You are quite, quite incorrect. The bible spouts torrents of lies, of bullshit. It makes a lovely story, but in all honesty you can stick it back from whence it came.

It&#39;s a matter of how much depth you would like me to analyse it on.

Is Dancing a Sin (http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/dancing.html)
Is Polygamy OK (http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/polygamy.html)
Does God Approve of Slavery (http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/slavery.html)

Must I continue? A brief perusal of that site is all that is required for a reasonable mind to utterly refute religion.

[Raisa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 07:48 PM
the bible don&#39;t say where God came from

the bible don&#39;t say if God is a guy or a chick

The Bible says god is a he, where the hell were you?&#33;

[cubist]

messiah i like you, your an idiot but ilike you,

firstly i would like to point you here (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?act=boardrules)
thats the rules of the forum, flaming is not tolerated and you will probably get warnings about this,

also not answering any questions makes you look like a twat

and if you want a real theological debate then bring it boyo i have a feeling i could eat you for breakfast, i seem to know more about the bible than you as it stands

[themessiah]

for a bunch of anti authority types, you shore do go rushing off crying whenever you get shown you are wrong to the admin

he insulted me - ban him&#33;
he argued better than me - warn him&#33;
he disagreed with me - banish him&#33;

so let me get this straight

its okay to insult billions of people when you insult their religion, but not okay, when I AM PERSONALLY INSULTED, to prove you wrong and then call you ( please cover your ears ) "stupid"? what in all fuck?

ducuban:

those things you have as links all relate to protestantism. thank you for agreeing with me. their interpretation of the bible is molded so as to generate profit. and as such, your criticisms are mostly accurate.

raisa:

the bible was also written in a time when MAN meant HUMAN. as a matter of fact, ALL TIME was such a time until like twenty five years ago. it wasn&#39;t until just recently that the BABEL effect ( as written in the bible ) began to destroy our langauge. it began by FORCING people to use gender distinctions in language despite clear understandings in use. if I said one small step for man, I clearly meant HUMAN. but the argument was raised that this was "confusing", even though it wasn&#39;t. this it is now one small step for HUMANITY. five extra letters, four extra syllabulls. the language of the bible was written THOUSANDS of years before the current HUMANDATE to shift language from being comprehensible into being gender sensitive. God referred to as He or Him is only in order to prevent God from being referred to as THIS or THAT or IT. Anyway, the only GENDER SPECIFIC DEITY&#39;s in the BIBLE are MARY and JESUS. And remembering the trinity, JESUS is GOD, which infers that GOD is male. BUT, you idiots, MARY gave birth to JESUS, making her the MOTHER OF GOD. THE CREATOR OF THE CREATOR. Thus, if you don&#39;t mind me using that word, GOD IS FEMALE.
now go whine to the admin because I called you all idiots.

cube:

did you like cube 2 more or less than cube?

[cubist]

i don&#39;t know which one i prefer.

anyways, my dislike of religion is certainly not over sexism,

the bible is misogynistic irelevant of god&#39;s sex maybe thats becuase man wrote it but still, i dislike the way it excuses greed and capitalism with MAN is week and fallable, i dislike the way the bible is hipocritcal, i dislike the way in corinthians 1: chap5 :7 it says we walk by faith not by sight. i disliek the excuse of ignorance as wisdom. and most of all i dislike the fact that GEORGE BUSH is a christian, and uses god to fight his war on the "evil dooers".

and how is the onus of disproovin god on the non christians when evidence of gods existance is nothing but spiritual feelings,

and as for you being offended who cares, we are offended that you think we must accept you superstituos opinion but you don&#39;t care about that,

religion is hipocritical, oppressive, unproovable and ignorant and every religious person who comes on this board rattling on about religion prooves it even more, becuase they can not accept the possibliilty of being wrong, i accept you may be right but i don&#39;t care however you don&#39;t accept you may be wrong, becuase you know god exists you have spoke with him

[DaCuBaN]

those things you have as links all relate to protestantism

Actually, it&#39;s merely an annotated version of the Bible. It doesn&#39;t adhere to any specific religion, and uses the catholic bible as it&#39;s basis. Admittedly this is what the protestants use too, but that&#39;s because they&#39;re just another wacko spin-off from a disturbing idea.

Nice try ;)

[themessiah]

ducuban:

any chance you can shorten the amount of garbage you got at the end of your post. your sig, is it? take a look at mine. thats what a sig should look like. and read like too.


et all:

is there a character limit to what constitutes a post here? like I&#39;ve posted and sometimes they don&#39;t register. unless posts are being deleted outside of my knowledge.