Berg Video Camera Exact Same as Abu Ghraib prison

[Skeptic]

Hello Comrades, here is an uncopy writed snipet I found on the Internet concerning our on going discussion about the video showing the beheading of Nicolas Berg: --Skeptic

OK - we may have the smoking gun in the Berg video that proves the Nick Berg was killed by Americans at Abu Ghraib prison. In addition to all the other evidence that I posted on my blog, I have been seeing some messages that if proved to be so answers the question as to who really killed Berg.

There has been a semi-secret government initiative to add digital signatures to various digital consumer products. Photocopiers and digital cameras store an encrypted signature to identify the unit that made the video. This digitial signature is totally inique to each device and is more unique than a fingerprint.

Today new pictures were released of prison torture at Abu Ghraib prison. But not just still pictures. Today video was released showing prisoners being tortured by Americans. Aparently Kodak film experts are Kodak Park in Rochester New York have compared the digital watermarks of the turture video and the beheading video and have determined that one of the cameras used in the Nick Berg beheading is THE SAME CAMERA that took the prison torture video.

If this turns out to be true then there is NO DOUBT that Berg was killed by Americans at Abu Ghraib prison.

I urge all of you to press to find out if this story is actually true, and if so - HOLY SHIT !!!

http://marc.perkel.com/

[Bolshevist]

Can you post some sources were these Kodak experts say that this is the same camera as used to videtapo Nick's beheading?

[Skeptic]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2004, 09:00 PM
Can you post some sources were these Kodak experts say that this is the same camera as used to videtapo Nick's beheading?
Dear 'Twisted' I found some information on Kodak watermarks. I hope this helps. --Skeptic

Kodak page regarding watermark technology, although it focuses on digital still cameras, and sounds as if it's still in the works:

http://www.kodak.com/US/en/corp/researchDe...ermarking.shtml (http://www.kodak.com/US/en/corp/researchDevelopment/technologyFeatures/digitalWatermarking.shtml)

Another page:
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/digital/...nterviewP.shtml (http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/digital/kennelInterviewP.shtml)
EXCERPT: "QUESTION: How will Kodak address industry concerns about piracy?

KENNEL: Security and anti-piracy measures are absolutely essential. With the Kodak Digital Cinema system, we expect data files to be stored in our Cinema Operating System in encrypted form with decryption keys delivered for use in Kodak digital projectors. Once the movie is 'unlocked' to be shown on the screen, it will be impossible to copy. We have simultaneously developed watermarking technology that will enable the industry to pinpoint the time and place camcorder copies were made off of cinema screens."

And a FAQ in .pdf:
http://www.digimarc.com/docs/analogHole/DW...cts%20FINAL.pdf (http://www.digimarc.com/docs/analogHole/DWM%20Facts%20FINAL.pdf)

Now, is it possible to analyze a video copy of the Berg tape and compare it to the other Abu G. photos/videos? I'm cetain it is for SOMEONE, but finding that person is the tricky part.

[h&s]

IF this is tru this is the most disgusting thing I have ever heard.
I felt sick watching videos of Nazis executing Jews, but if Americans did this it is worse.
The Nazis did what they did because they were brainwashed by their government and ancient xenophobic prejudices, but if Americans did this they were doing it purely to get their "President" re-elected.
Also, I don't usually believe stupid conspirasy stories like this, but why would the U$ immediatly say that the executer was a known terrorist?
Could this be to remind the public about the "war on terror" so they think that Iraq is part of this?
Whatever the truth, Arab or American killer, his death is George Bush's fault, and it makes me FUCKING SICK!

[refuse_resist]

Thats true. No matter who killed Nick Berg, it was sick and inhumane. But one thing is clear that the government used this as propaganda on the American public. I mean if you see how alot of those reactionaries reacted to it all they would brag about is nuking Iraq and the Middle East.

Another thing to be aware of is when that video made its way all over the internet and was announced by the mainstream media at the height of the prisoner abuse scandal that had just broken out a bit before that. Its clear they used it to draw attention away from the whole ordeal.

It was a wag the dog type thing.

[fuerzasocialista]

If this indeed holds to be true; I would have to agree that the U.S. is now the fourth reich...

[BuyOurEverything]

Dear 'Twisted' I found some information on Kodak watermarks. I hope this helps. --Skeptic

So what you're saying is you have no evidence whatsoever to back up your claim.

[DaCuBaN]

Just make up your own mind - http://marc.perkel.com/archives/000233.html has many links to other sources, which in turn have many links

[Urban Rubble]

The Nazis did what they did because they were brainwashed by their government and ancient xenophobic prejudices, but if Americans did this they were doing it purely to get their "President" re-elected.

If you don't think the Americans who are torturing people in Iraq are brainwashed by their government and ancient xenophobic predjudices then you're insane.


Also, I don't usually believe stupid conspirasy stories like this, but why would the U$ immediatly say that the executer was a known terrorist?

Because at the start of the video it says in Arabic on the screen "(insert terrorists name) slaughters and American".


Could this be to remind the public about the "war on terror" so they think that Iraq is part of this?

I don't think the American public has a lack of reminders about the War on Terror. Do you really think all this was a ploy to remind us that there is a war on ?


Whatever the truth, Arab or American killer, his death is George Bush's fault, and it makes me FUCKING SICK!

Well yeah, I agree, in either case Bush and his administration are partially to blame. But hey, if you didn't notice, it wasn't George Bush who sawed the guy's head off. There should be at least a shred of accountability for the guy who actually committed the crime.


But one thing is clear that the government used this as propaganda on the American public.

Actually, this is one of the first times where I've seen this kind of thing tried and the public didn't really buy it. With all the scandal about the torture and generals possibly being involved, the public, and to a lesser degree the media kind of impressed me by not switching their focus to the one kid who was killed. I mean, the news channels had a field day with it, but the coverage of the torture scandal has gotten alot more airtime.

[DaCuBaN]

Actually, this is one of the first times where I've seen this kind of thing tried and the public didn't really buy it. With all the scandal about the torture and generals possibly being involved, the public, and to a lesser degree the media kind of impressed me by not switching their focus to the one kid who was killed. I mean, the news channels had a field day with it, but the coverage of the torture scandal has gotten alot more airtime

This is a result of the unenlightened population of the west, and the gross generalisation that everything east of Isreal and west of Japan is occupied by 'Sand Nazis' or some suitably idiotic saying. The idea of these 'sand nazis' torturing and executing someone is perfectly acceptable, but as they are under the delusions that they themselves could not perform such an act, all their 'fellow countrymen' could never do something like this

Illogical Logic of the Illiterate and Unenlightened

*DaCuBaN dons his tin-foil hat*

[Yazman]

So what you're saying is you have no evidence whatsoever to back up your claim.

WRONG. He didn't make the claim, don't ask HIM for the evidence. Go ask whoever originally made the claim. Namely the guy at http://marc.perkel.com/

[h&s]

If you don't think the Americans who are torturing people in Iraq are brainwashed by their government and ancient xenophobic predjudices then you're insane.


I wasn't saying that.
I'm just saying that in Europe the xenophobia against the Jews was widespread for thousands of years in all countries, leading to Jews being burnt alive and kicked out of countries all of the time. The Holocaust was just a minor part of this.
I am not sayng that the torturers were not brainwashed.


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Also, I don't usually believe stupid conspirasy stories like this, but why would the U$ immediatly say that the executer was a known terrorist?



Because at the start of the video it says in Arabic on the screen "(insert terrorists name) slaughters and American".


That's exactly the point I was trying to make!


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Whatever the truth, Arab or American killer, his death is George Bush's fault, and it makes me FUCKING SICK!



Well yeah, I agree, in either case Bush and his administration are partially to blame. But hey, if you didn't notice, it wasn't George Bush who sawed the guy's head off. There should be at least a shred of accountability for the guy who actually committed the crime.


Yeah, I agree. But If torture and other war crimes in the Balkans were all Milosovich's fault, as the Americans said, then surely all torture and war crimes commited in Iraq are ultimately Bush's responsiblity.
I should think they should be getting a cell ready for him in the Hague!