Legalization of Marijuana

[RevoltNOW]

I smoke marijuana. I wish I lived in a country where it was Legal. The usa has it illegilized bacause they make lots of money off of it!!!!!!!! :angry:

[h&s]

Weed is a funny subject. Personaly I think it should be legalised, but it can cause scysophrenia (if thats how you spell it!) so it is a touch and go thing
People say that it is a gateway to harder drugs, but if it was sold over the counter at shops people wouldn't have to go to dealers and see other drugs to get it.
free the weed man! :redstar2000:

[RevoltNOW]

Weed is not a gateway drug there was a study on that in like 02' but no one really heard about it

[Commie Girl]

:D I am VERY HAPPY that Canada is on the road to decrimininalizing weed...next step is legalization!

Umm...it is NOT a gateway drug, nor does it lead to schizophrenia....

[Debs'atron]

Firstly I think anyone anywhere should be able to do whatever they want to do with their own bodies. Not to mention the BILLIONS of dollars spent on the the war on drugs. I personally think marijuana could pull the U.S. economy inparticular out of its economic situation. Theyd save budget on the war on drugs, Farmers could grow marijuana wich is a HUGE cash crop, and the governemnt could TAX it. The only thing legalizing marijuana would do is HELP our economy. Not to mention the huge hypocrasy of the US gov. They have an anti-poppy virus that they paid to have developed at MIT. They refuse to use it for political reason. IDIOTS.

[Touchstone]

Exactly, it would strengthen the U.S. economy so much, and people should be able to do whatever they want with thier bodies.

[Roses in the Hospital]

I think you have to take into account how widespread useage would become if it was easily available legally. We've got problems enough with ciggarette smoking as it is...
While on that topic what's the consensus on banning smoking in public places? Surely the legalisation of Marijuana couldn't really run in parralel with limiting use of similar drug, could it?

[Raisa]

Why the hell not. I think it should be legal. Alcohol is legal. I dont see why not.
Its not addictive you know.

[Roses in the Hospital]

Its not addictive you know
When smoked with tabacco it is...which is by far a bigger problem. We should be aiming to reduce smoking, not encourage it...
Though with some thought I'm not dead its legalisation, it just needs to be done with a bit of subtlety...

[Invader Zim]

People killing me with their filthy habits is bad enough.

As long as you weed smoking bastards dont do it near me.

[Pawn Power]

if it was legalized would it be a lot cheaper, because these prices are killing me

[Bolshevist]

If it were legalized, organized crime wouldn't profit from it, thus resulting in less money to make new drugs, trafficing, guns, exploiting farmers in Latin America etc etc...

Only reason its still criminalized is that is the will of the capital. Anyone know the story behind the criminalization of Cannabis? It was driven by big mean ugly capitalists. Dupont as one example. :marx:

[Dune Dx]

I live a sheltered life and dont really know its effects but doesnt it harm ur lungs?
I think people should have the right to do what they want as long as it doesnt harm society but what I do mind is on the way home walking behind smokers ahhhh I cant stand go harm ur own lungs at home not with me!

[Bolshevist]

It harm your lungs, no deny in that and is much easier than alcohol to make you psychotic. But that is no argument against it. We do allow harmful food such as macdonalds food, that is much more harmful to a society than cannabis. 60% of the American population has a weightproblem.

[Nas]

we are suppost to progress

society is suppost to progress

that is what socialism and communism is all about

[monkeydust]

I've always said yes to the legalisation of marijuana.

Of course it has harmful effects, though many, currently legal substances and occupations are the same.

Tobbaco has harmful effects, as does alcohol and fatty foods. In fact, even such practices as watching TV may be considered 'harmful' in the sesne that they encourage intellectual complacency. Moreover, many sports can be 'harmful' yet are still legalized.

Of course there are different degrees of 'harm'. Though I don't consider marijuana to be particularly more harmful than alcohol. Certainly it's not as potentially addictive.

From a ideological point of view I normally believe that people should be able to do whatever they wish to themselves (within reason), providing it does not harm others. Of course there's exceptions. I certainly feel that heroin addicts should not be left to go about their business without help. Though cannabis is hardly as serious as this, and other such substances.

If people are aware of the negative effects of marijuana then I see little reason as to why they should not be able to decide for themselves whetehr or not to use it.


Even if I did not believe what I said above, from a pragmatic view, legalization makes sense.

Where I am now, cannabis is incredibly easy to get hold of if one wants it. Its illegality does not prevent its use in any sense, often police turn 'a blind eye' to the use of the drug.

Legalization would allow cannabis to be bought through licensed channels, and might prevent petty criminlas from reaping profits (despite my reservations about giving money to businesses).

Some might even argue that legalization of cannabis could act as a counterweight to combat the current problem of alcohol abuse.

[koreanfob]

if McDonald's is legal...why not marijuana?

[DaCuBaN]

Some might even argue that legalization of cannabis could act as a counterweight to combat the current problem of alcohol abuse.


I live in scotland - we have a horrific booze problem here. Also, despite the relaxation of UK drug laws to allow pot it's own classification, the scottish legal system has decided to veto this, and is retaining the old system whereby you can get charged for having over 5g (just less than a quarter - anywhere between £5-30 street value, the latter being the legal system's 'street value')

With this as a given, imagine how much money could be made for the capitalist bastards by charging street prices over the counter, when you consider the cost of production it's immense.

Interesting that greed doesn't seem to work on this debate though...

[fuerzasocialista]

I'm not big on the weed to be honest but if alcohol is legal, I don't see why it shouldn't be either....

[RevoltNOW]

The US is so stupid you can go to prison for a very long time for such a stupid thing they dont turn a blind eye to it . They punish you and make you pay fines they confiscate your house and cars

[h&s]

I only said that it was considered a "gateway" drug, as thats what all the anti-drug press say in England. They also CLAIM that it can lead to scizofrenia.

[fuerzasocialista]

Originally posted by hammer&[email protected] 21 2004, 08:47 AM
I only said that it was considered a "gateway" drug, as thats what all the anti-drug press say in England. They also CLAIM that it can lead to scizofrenia.
I've read about this. The bassist for Bob Marley is locked up in the psych wing of Bellevue hospital with Schizophrenia induce by the massive amounts of marijuana he smoked. Although I have to say that I don't think there is a high incidence of it. but it most definitely triggers a chemical imbalance in some people.

[h&s]

Apparently you have to smoke tonnes of it over 20 odd years and already have mental problems for it to make you go schizo.
It just scare-mongering from the Daily Mail again.
God I HATE that "news"paper.

[refuse_resist]

It needs to be legalized already. This is just prohibition all over again. It's only a matter of time before they begin to realize this, hopefully. Especially since its safter than ciggarettes and alcohol.

[Louis Pio]

I smoke weed from time to time. But im still not sure about legalising it. I have seen to many good friends go down on it :( But still I have seen the same with alcohol...

[fuerzasocialista]

for a good percenatge of people, they move on to heavier shit.

[DaCuBaN]

for a good percenatge of people, they move on to heavier shit.

But the point is that hash is NOT the gateway to these drugs. These people almost undoubtably started by drinking coffee or alcohol and smoking cigarettes. There are plenty of 'legal highs' out there for people - once they get a taste for that, they then move on slowly up the scale

The idea that hash is responsible for people moving to harder drugs is absurd - It's like saying if hash didn't exist noone would smoke crack. Where's the sense there?

*EDIT*

You only have to look at the propoganda from 20th century USA to see that it was simply nothing but a skapegoat.

[RevoltNOW]

I smoke weed and I have absolutely no urge to move on to harder shit and I never will. My whole life has been absolute crap because of hard drugs and if any of you think that because of smoking I will move on to harder junk. I will be the first to point out the possiblility of YOU being high!!!!!!!

anyways I am seriously considering moving to amsterdam once I turn 18 :D

[Frederick_Engles]

legalise it, it kills far less than alchohol, and would if it was legalised.




get hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh

[DaCuBaN]

anyways I am seriously considering moving to amsterdam once I turn 18

I heard that only dutch nationals will be 'tolerated' smoking in the dam from now on. I'd advise brushing up on your dutch ;)

[Dune Dx]

just a strange little question whats so good about getting high anyway?

[DaCuBaN]

It's not a matter of what's so good about it - we allow people to abuse themselves in whatever way they see fit in current society, so the argument rests mainly on the fact that the drug is largely harmless - certianly less so than other readily available substances

[monkeydust]

legalise it, it kills far less than alchohol, and would if it was legalised.




get hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh

Eh?

I though you were a staunch Catholic?


just a strange little question whats so good about getting high anyway?

Seeing is beleving; or so they say.

Getting high is probably the best way for you to find an answer to your question.

[fernando]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2004, 11:06 PM

anyways I am seriously considering moving to amsterdam once I turn 18

I heard that only dutch nationals will be 'tolerated' smoking in the dam from now on. I'd advise brushing up on your dutch ;)
Dont go to Amsterdam, it's way too expensive, Rotterdam is a cheaper and easier city ;) Besides, you can get weed "legal" (it's tolerated, not completely legal) everywhere in Holland.

but erm...brushing up on your dutch? dont worry about that, I hardly talk dutch here :D and dont really get problems with it! :)

[fernando]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2004, 09:13 PM
It's not a matter of what's so good about it - we allow people to abuse themselves in whatever way they see fit in current society, so the argument rests mainly on the fact that the drug is largely harmless - certianly less so than other readily available substances
Well that is the problem, we have all kinds of weed and hasj here, but what they do now is, is that they clone and genetically manipulate the plants so the weed would contain way more THC (which makes you stoned/high) than there would normally be, making it more harmfull than it would in the old days. There are people who would claim that the current (genetically manipulated crap) should be considered to be a hard drug

[DaCuBaN]

brushing up on your dutch?

I intend to move to holland at some point, as I'm expecting the UK government to move further away from where I want it to be. However, I feel learning dutch is a mild concession

Besides, it's a phenomenal sounding language. Almost as good as Danish ;)

[fernando]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2004, 10:08 PM

brushing up on your dutch?

I intend to move to holland at some point, as I'm expecting the UK government to move further away from where I want it to be. However, I feel learning dutch is a mild concession

Besides, it's a phenomenal sounding language. Almost as good as Danish ;)
Well I advice you not to move to Amsterdam yet, you can buy and smoke weed everywhere. Almost all dutch people talk english, so language wont be that much a problem.

Amsterdam is a very expensive city to live in, try getting an appartment there!

[Bolshevist]

Originally posted by fernando+May 23 2004, 09:58 PM--> (fernando @ May 23 2004, 09:58 PM)
[email protected] 23 2004, 09:13 PM
It's not a matter of what's so good about it - we allow people to abuse themselves in whatever way they see fit in current society, so the argument rests mainly on the fact that the drug is largely harmless - certianly less so than other readily available substances
Well that is the problem, we have all kinds of weed and hasj here, but what they do now is, is that they clone and genetically manipulate the plants so the weed would contain way more THC (which makes you stoned/high) than there would normally be, making it more harmfull than it would in the old days. There are people who would claim that the current (genetically manipulated crap) should be considered to be a hard drug [/b]
I think its good that they produce real high-quality hashish. That mean you need to smoke less, and you still get quite stoned, wich means less damage to your lungs and throath etc.. Besides, if you have smoked some times before you smoke this high-quality hashish, you know when to stop. I think it should clearly state that this is strong hashish though. Not to confuse the newbies

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I think weed should be encouraged as a replacement for alcohol- it doesn't turn you into a smelly anti-social yob, and if you want to keep your lungs healthy you can ingest it.

[fernando]

Originally posted by Twisted+May 24 2004, 01:11 PM--> (Twisted @ May 24 2004, 01:11 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2004, 09:58 PM

[email protected] 23 2004, 09:13 PM
It's not a matter of what's so good about it - we allow people to abuse themselves in whatever way they see fit in current society, so the argument rests mainly on the fact that the drug is largely harmless - certianly less so than other readily available substances
Well that is the problem, we have all kinds of weed and hasj here, but what they do now is, is that they clone and genetically manipulate the plants so the weed would contain way more THC (which makes you stoned/high) than there would normally be, making it more harmfull than it would in the old days. There are people who would claim that the current (genetically manipulated crap) should be considered to be a hard drug
I think its good that they produce real high-quality hashish. That mean you need to smoke less, and you still get quite stoned, wich means less damage to your lungs and throath etc.. Besides, if you have smoked some times before you smoke this high-quality hashish, you know when to stop. I think it should clearly state that this is strong hashish though. Not to confuse the newbies [/b]
It's not better, you smoke a joint and feel like you have been smoking 10 of them!
Smoking is bad for you, but so is THC...dont think that stuff is healthy for your brain!

[Poderosa III]

I've heard a story in the U$ about a Vietnam War hero, (an owner of the purple heart), who was crippled in the war, being sent to prison for the rest of his life for smoking weed.

This is just plain wrong... the man nearly DIED for them, and they chuck him in prison for the rest of his life for "harming" himself. so, so wrong...

On a side note, as far as i'm aware, weed is relatively harmless, smoking it harms your lungs much in a similar way to cigarettes, but space cakes are completely harmless as far as i know...

[fernando]

only there is a high chance you might turn schizophrenic and your memories goes all fucked up..but for the rest it's all ok :P

And you're brain goes mroe fucked up with that genetically altered shit

[Colombia]

Legalizing marijuana in the USA would be a slap in the face to Colombia and many other nations in South America.Each day Colombians are killed because of terrorist attacks from such organizations as the FARC and M-16. What funds these terrorists are drugs such as marijuana,cocaine, and so on.It would disgust me if the US ever allowed people to smoke this legally.

[fernando]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2004, 06:39 PM
Legalizing marijuana in the USA would be a slap in the face to Colombia and many other nations in South America.Each day Colombians are killed because of terrorist attacks from such organizations as the FARC and M-16. What funds these terrorists are drugs such as marijuana,cocaine, and so on.It would disgust me if the US ever allowed people to smoke this legally.
Funny though that the US has so many militairy in these countries.
Funny that they stole high amounts of cocain, sold it to their own population and then bought weapons to use in Iran...oh yah and also in Central America...the Contras had to be supported :rolleyes:

What you call terrorists I call freedom fighters, the US has this tendency to call movements, who are not US lapdogs, terrorists, while similar groups who use the same tactics, but support the US are called "freedom fighters" explain that?

Well maybe Im being harsh...I dont know that much about the situation in Colombia concerning FARC and M-16.

What I think, this is my opinion, and maybe you are gonna be very pissed off at me for this, but I think there should be a new government, maybe someone like Chavez, who doesnt suck up to the US. They want the cocain, that's why they dont really interfere in Colombia.

So the US wants cocain? Sell it to them, but for your prizes, dont let some crime lord force it upon the people, dont let the Yankees come in and steal everything, while killing the poor farmers.

Didnt Pable Escobar like build roads and schools from the money he got by selling cocain? I heard something like that once. I dont know ifit's true

[gaf]

living in holland i can speak other legalising is going to be: it means the state and big maffia bos are dealing the cake with a little part for you
you're going to be consumer they're going to be the producer all strict in the legal way. i mean legalisation is not an aprobation it's just a way for them to controll it,and by all means make profits from it. legalisation is doomed........ just smoke it!

[fernando]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2004, 08:12 PM
living in holland i can speak other legalising is going to be: it means the state and big maffia bos are dealing the cake with a little part for you
you're going to be consumer they're going to be the producer all strict in the legal way. i mean legalisation is not an aprobation it's just a way for them to controll it,and by all means make profits from it. legalisation is doomed........ just smoke it!
legal of illegal, we still have to pay for the crap :lol:

[Kez]

interesting topic.

Surely if the masses want it legalised, then it should be the masses who do this, and not the state?

However, what good comes from weed? I smoke it now and again, but its just a way to forget how shit life can be at times.

Notice how many proper pot heads dont have gf's or bf's?
Its as bad as alcohol, its a short term solution to capitalism.

I wonder if less people will smoke it under socialism/communism. I reckon there will be a significant deecrease, what u think?

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2004, 08:25 PM
legal of illegal, we still have to pay for the crap :lol:


you can try to grow it if you want,but if you're to stoned it won't happen :lol:

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2004, 08:25 PM

legal of illegal, we still have to pay for the crap :lol:
Yeah but it would be much cheaper, and safer to obtein then it is now.

[DarkAngel]

''weed speed birth contol, if in life you dont suceed, fuck it all and smoke some weed''

ahahahahah

[James]

Seems best to legalise it;
A) make it safe
B) tax it!!


+ + +
"However, what good comes from weed? I smoke it now and again, but its just a way to forget how shit life can be at times."

awww
Wouldn't be the case "in socialism" though, eh what, kamo?!

[Bolshevist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2004, 08:38 PM
interesting topic.

Surely if the masses want it legalised, then it should be the masses who do this, and not the state?

However, what good comes from weed? I smoke it now and again, but its just a way to forget how shit life can be at times.

Notice how many proper pot heads dont have gf's or bf's?
Its as bad as alcohol, its a short term solution to capitalism.

I wonder if less people will smoke it under socialism/communism. I reckon there will be a significant deecrease, what u think?
I don't smoke it because it takes away some pain/misery, but rather because I think its fun and I enjoy being high. I don't do it often and that's why IMO I think its so great.

On your question though, I would guess people who smoke it because they want to forget how bad life can be will be a lot smaller. People who use it for fun, I'd say they would still be smoking it.

On the bf/gf issue, I have seen that many potheads get together, rather than getting a bf/bf who doesn't smoke. But yes, I agree with you. If you smoke it day in, day out its only bad.

[BuyOurEverything]

Legalizing marijuana in the USA would be a slap in the face to Colombia and many other nations in South America.Each day Colombians are killed because of terrorist attacks from such organizations as the FARC and M-16. What funds these terrorists are drugs such as marijuana,cocaine, and so on.It would disgust me if the US ever allowed people to smoke this legally.

Well assuming the FARC are indeed 'terrorists,' whatever that means, wouldn't legalizing drugs make smuggling drugs unneccessary and thus completely eliminate their income?

[Sideshow Luke Perry]

Disagree about potheads not having partners, I smoke occasionally and live with a very fine partner, as do most of my smoker friends.

Arguing about it in terms of effect is redundant, as the real issue is, of course, money. Alcohol and tobacco are taxed and make money for Governments, and are both more harmful than marijuana (according to the majority of independent inquiries on the subject).

"The Strange Case Of Pot", a small book written in the late 60s, is a fascinating introduction to the subject. Simply put, if it were legalised, then it could be taxed, people would be on the whole less aggressive, the link between pot and harder drugs could be shown for the bullshit it truly is (just like there's no link between a pint of lager and drinking paint stripper). And I'm pretty sure under socialism people would have more important stuff to do and consumption would decrease.

[Colombia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2004, 09:29 PM

Legalizing marijuana in the USA would be a slap in the face to Colombia and many other nations in South America.Each day Colombians are killed because of terrorist attacks from such organizations as the FARC and M-16. What funds these terrorists are drugs such as marijuana,cocaine, and so on.It would disgust me if the US ever allowed people to smoke this legally.

Well assuming the FARC are indeed 'terrorists,' whatever that means, wouldn't legalizing drugs make smuggling drugs unneccessary and thus completely eliminate their income?
Like I said before it would be a smack in the face for Colombia if they legalized it after fighting for over 40 years.

[Colombia]

Originally posted by fernando+Jun 1 2004, 07:33 PM--> (fernando @ Jun 1 2004, 07:33 PM)
[email protected] 1 2004, 06:39 PM
Legalizing marijuana in the USA would be a slap in the face to Colombia and many other nations in South America.Each day Colombians are killed because of terrorist attacks from such organizations as the FARC and M-16. What funds these terrorists are drugs such as marijuana,cocaine, and so on.It would disgust me if the US ever allowed people to smoke this legally.
Funny though that the US has so many militairy in these countries.
Funny that they stole high amounts of cocain, sold it to their own population and then bought weapons to use in Iran...oh yah and also in Central America...the Contras had to be supported :rolleyes:

What you call terrorists I call freedom fighters, the US has this tendency to call movements, who are not US lapdogs, terrorists, while similar groups who use the same tactics, but support the US are called "freedom fighters" explain that?

Well maybe Im being harsh...I dont know that much about the situation in Colombia concerning FARC and M-16.

What I think, this is my opinion, and maybe you are gonna be very pissed off at me for this, but I think there should be a new government, maybe someone like Chavez, who doesnt suck up to the US. They want the cocain, that's why they dont really interfere in Colombia.

So the US wants cocain? Sell it to them, but for your prizes, dont let some crime lord force it upon the people, dont let the Yankees come in and steal everything, while killing the poor farmers.

Didnt Pable Escobar like build roads and schools from the money he got by selling cocain? I heard something like that once. I dont know ifit's true [/b]
Provide me with a source that the US obtained and sold cocaine.Perhaps the US has military in Colombia because of the oil?Ever thought of such a thing?Freedom fighters?Don&#39;t make me laugh.The FARC lost being called a freedom fighter a long time ago.I don&#39;t see why a freedom fighter would be bombing innocents in Colombia now do you? <_< Pablo Escobar did build roads and schools but so did the likes of Mussolini and Hitler as well.

[fernando]

Originally posted by Colombia+Jun 2 2004, 11:47 AM--> (Colombia @ Jun 2 2004, 11:47 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2004, 07:33 PM

[email protected] 1 2004, 06:39 PM
Legalizing marijuana in the USA would be a slap in the face to Colombia and many other nations in South America.Each day Colombians are killed because of terrorist attacks from such organizations as the FARC and M-16. What funds these terrorists are drugs such as marijuana,cocaine, and so on.It would disgust me if the US ever allowed people to smoke this legally.
Funny though that the US has so many militairy in these countries.
Funny that they stole high amounts of cocain, sold it to their own population and then bought weapons to use in Iran...oh yah and also in Central America...the Contras had to be supported :rolleyes:

What you call terrorists I call freedom fighters, the US has this tendency to call movements, who are not US lapdogs, terrorists, while similar groups who use the same tactics, but support the US are called "freedom fighters" explain that?

Well maybe Im being harsh...I dont know that much about the situation in Colombia concerning FARC and M-16.

What I think, this is my opinion, and maybe you are gonna be very pissed off at me for this, but I think there should be a new government, maybe someone like Chavez, who doesnt suck up to the US. They want the cocain, that&#39;s why they dont really interfere in Colombia.

So the US wants cocain? Sell it to them, but for your prizes, dont let some crime lord force it upon the people, dont let the Yankees come in and steal everything, while killing the poor farmers.

Didnt Pable Escobar like build roads and schools from the money he got by selling cocain? I heard something like that once. I dont know ifit&#39;s true
Provide me with a source that the US obtained and sold cocaine.Perhaps the US has military in Colombia because of the oil?Ever thought of such a thing?Freedom fighters?Don&#39;t make me laugh.The FARC lost being called a freedom fighter a long time ago.I don&#39;t see why a freedom fighter would be bombing innocents in Colombia now do you? <_< Pablo Escobar did build roads and schools but so did the likes of Mussolini and Hitler as well. [/b]
Hmm I should have written that better, I mean that part about the FARC, the US has a tendency to call movements who are anti US "terrorists", while they will call similar movements who are pro US, or against an anti-US government, "freedom fighters"

About Pable Escobar, yes Hitler and Mussolini did the same, but so does everybody, the build these things because they are needed in a country. A good infrastructure and education system are important.
I still think Hitler did a good job in Germany...untill he started the war and kiling all the jews.

[Colombia]

Do you have proof though that the US takes cocaine and sells it themselves?

[fernando]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2004, 05:18 PM
Do you have proof though that the US takes cocaine and sells it themselves?
I read an article about it once, but I have to look for it again. I&#39;ve heard the same story from several people before, but ok that isnt good enough proof.

But what I do know if that the Dutch navy are (many of them) either coke-heads or cocain dealers, what is basicly going is that the cocain comes from Colombia/Peru and then goes to Surinam, Antilles and that is where the Dutch Navy is stationed, the are able to confiscate a certain amount of the cocain and then ok...it is "destroyed" but many of these navy guys use it themselves or sell it.
Customs are also involved in all this, this was in the news some time ago, but now it is "forgotten". My friend is in the navy himself and he told me that most of the dutch marines are cocain users.

[gaf]

Originally posted by fernando+Jun 2 2004, 06:54 PM--> (fernando @ Jun 2 2004, 06:54 PM)
[email protected] 2 2004, 05:18 PM
Do you have proof though that the US takes cocaine and sells it themselves?
I read an article about it once, but I have to look for it again. I&#39;ve heard the same story from several people before, but ok that isnt good enough proof.

But what I do know if that the Dutch navy are (many of them) either coke-heads or cocain dealers, what is basicly going is that the cocain comes from Colombia/Peru and then goes to Surinam, Antilles and that is where the Dutch Navy is stationed, the are able to confiscate a certain amount of the cocain and then ok...it is "destroyed" but many of these navy guys use it themselves or sell it.
Customs are also involved in all this, this was in the news some time ago, but now it is "forgotten". My friend is in the navy himself and he told me that most of the dutch marines are cocain users. [/b]
you may be right but nothing new in this world.
when i smoke my 1rst joint it came from somebody who stationated in libanon back in the 80&#39;s......hash oil it was.
and if the duch are doing the same with cocaine,won&#39;t surprise mee at all
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[fernando]

Originally posted by gaf+Jun 2 2004, 07:13 PM--> (gaf @ Jun 2 2004, 07:13 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2004, 06:54 PM

[email protected] 2 2004, 05:18 PM
Do you have proof though that the US takes cocaine and sells it themselves?
I read an article about it once, but I have to look for it again. I&#39;ve heard the same story from several people before, but ok that isnt good enough proof.

But what I do know if that the Dutch navy are (many of them) either coke-heads or cocain dealers, what is basicly going is that the cocain comes from Colombia/Peru and then goes to Surinam, Antilles and that is where the Dutch Navy is stationed, the are able to confiscate a certain amount of the cocain and then ok...it is "destroyed" but many of these navy guys use it themselves or sell it.
Customs are also involved in all this, this was in the news some time ago, but now it is "forgotten". My friend is in the navy himself and he told me that most of the dutch marines are cocain users.
you may be right but nothing new in this world.
when i smoke my 1rst joint it came from somebody who stationated in libanon back in the 80&#39;s......hash oil it was.
and if the duch are doing the same with cocaine,won&#39;t surprise mee at all
.drugs is&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036; &#036;
that&#39;s all what counts here&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036; [/b]
Well from the dutch navy Im 100% sure, my friend is in the navy, and he told me many of his collages do it.

My brother&#39;s neighbour had to go to the army when he was 18, and he told me that then they also dealt drugs, they sold weed and hash mostly to local guys here

[Commie Girl]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2004, 12:39 PM
Legalizing marijuana in the USA would be a slap in the face to Colombia and many other nations in South America.Each day Colombians are killed because of terrorist attacks from such organizations as the FARC and M-16. What funds these terrorists are drugs such as marijuana,cocaine, and so on.It would disgust me if the US ever allowed people to smoke this legally.
Why would it be a slap in the face to South Americans...just trying to follow the logic.

This is about legalizing Marijuana, not Cocaine :D

[Colombia]

Originally posted by sexydj4u+Jun 2 2004, 08:34 PM--> (sexydj4u @ Jun 2 2004, 08:34 PM)
[email protected] 1 2004, 12:39 PM
Legalizing marijuana in the USA would be a slap in the face to Colombia and many other nations in South America.Each day Colombians are killed because of terrorist attacks from such organizations as the FARC and M-16. What funds these terrorists are drugs such as marijuana,cocaine, and so on.It would disgust me if the US ever allowed people to smoke this legally.
Why would it be a slap in the face to South Americans...just trying to follow the logic.

This is about legalizing Marijuana, not Cocaine :D [/b]
Forgive me.I guess you did not know that marijuana is made in Colombia as well?I am refering at ALL DRUGS in general. :D

[Colombia]

Originally posted by fernando+Jun 2 2004, 07:23 PM--> (fernando @ Jun 2 2004, 07:23 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2004, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2004, 06:54 PM

[email protected] 2 2004, 05:18 PM
Do you have proof though that the US takes cocaine and sells it themselves?
I read an article about it once, but I have to look for it again. I&#39;ve heard the same story from several people before, but ok that isnt good enough proof.

But what I do know if that the Dutch navy are (many of them) either coke-heads or cocain dealers, what is basicly going is that the cocain comes from Colombia/Peru and then goes to Surinam, Antilles and that is where the Dutch Navy is stationed, the are able to confiscate a certain amount of the cocain and then ok...it is "destroyed" but many of these navy guys use it themselves or sell it.
Customs are also involved in all this, this was in the news some time ago, but now it is "forgotten". My friend is in the navy himself and he told me that most of the dutch marines are cocain users.
you may be right but nothing new in this world.
when i smoke my 1rst joint it came from somebody who stationated in libanon back in the 80&#39;s......hash oil it was.
and if the duch are doing the same with cocaine,won&#39;t surprise mee at all
.drugs is&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036; &#036;
that&#39;s all what counts here&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;
Well from the dutch navy Im 100% sure, my friend is in the navy, and he told me many of his collages do it.

My brother&#39;s neighbour had to go to the army when he was 18, and he told me that then they also dealt drugs, they sold weed and hash mostly to local guys here [/b]
The Dutch Navy is not the US navy.Have I been lied to?Do you have any proof at all?

[Commie Girl]

Well, up here in the great white north of Canada, we grow our own
;)

[h&s]

If weed is legalised, you take it out of the hands of organised crime and into the mainstream.
I am for weed to be legal, but if this happens it will be the big tobacco companies that will sell it, so it would be another win for the capitalists.
As sexydj4u said, grow your own&#33; :redstar2000:

[dark fairy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 03:08 PM
:D I am VERY HAPPY that Canada is on the road to decrimininalizing weed...next step is legalization&#33;

Umm...it is NOT a gateway drug, nor does it lead to schizophrenia....
he&#39;s right i started with coke and now do that so yeah... it is if you make it...i am for legalizing it ...
and yeah go canada that is one cool thing about canada that and it is quite peaceful in most places or at least i&#39;ve heard

[dark fairy]

Originally posted by Roses in the [email protected] 20 2004, 07:34 PM

When smoked with tabacco it is...
I don&#39;t see why anyone would smoke it WITH tabacco but my parents smoke tabacco and really i would much rather have them smoke some weed than that shit... if tabacco is legal why not just make weed legal the thing would be the taxation of it... people are not going to like being taxed for something when they could be doing illigaly and not taxed

[fernando]

Originally posted by dark fairy+Jun 6 2004, 07:05 AM--> (dark fairy @ Jun 6 2004, 07:05 AM)
Roses in the [email protected] 20 2004, 07:34 PM

When smoked with tabacco it is...
I don&#39;t see why anyone would smoke it WITH tabacco but my parents smoke tabacco and really i would much rather have them smoke some weed than that shit... if tabacco is legal why not just make weed legal the thing would be the taxation of it... people are not going to like being taxed for something when they could be doing illigaly and not taxed [/b]
You never been to holland..it&#39;s disgusting, they all smoke it with tobacco...it kinda gives the stonedness a different effect, but I prefere the 1st generation pure stuff...still real and good.

[canikickit]

Weed doesn&#39;t burn properly without tobacco in there.

[Soul Rebel]

Like other things, such as prostitution, the best option is decriminalization, not legalization. Legalization gives complete control to the goverment on our drug use and would serve to benefit tobacco companies. For one, the government would probably control how much we can grow or not allow us to grow it at all. If we are capable of growing our own, no money is to be made by tobacco companies, so the amount we grow would have to be controlled, if even allowed to grow it. Secondly, the cost of marijuana would actually be quite high. The cost would go up on something that for most of us is usually pretty cheap (depending what grade you get) because it is now available on the market. Third, the quality would be shitty. We would basically be saying good-bye to Kynd and Northern Lights quality bud and hello to some crappy ass shwag weed. And for many of us who do love marijuana and consider it very important to us, the quality of the weed is something that concerns us. Fourth, who could smoke it would be limited as well. There would be age limits, which is a bit messed up. Its better to have no age limits (such as alcohol use in spain for example) because people learn to handle it better and it doesnt lead to so many problems (financially and socially).

So just because its legalized it doesnt mean that you would have complete smoking freedom. Decriminalization, if anything, is the best option. Companies would still be prohibited from selling it, like they are now, meaning there would be less control on marijuana use. Sure growing it may be an issue for the government, but you would not be punished in the way that you are now if caught with weed, smoking weed, or growing weed. It would be treated as a minor offense, like a speeding ticket. It would also help solve or lessen some of the problems that we have now due to this so-called war on drugs (which is nothing but crap).

[DaCuBaN]

Weed doesn&#39;t burn properly without tobacco in there

Quite true, and it&#39;s just not quite the same

Plus I resent putting like £5 of weed into one skinset :lol:

With bud of course, it&#39;s a very different story - there&#39;s no reason why you need to use tobacco with bud, but over in the UK a lot of what we see is resin, and I&#39;d like to see you roll a joint with resin and no tobacco ;)

[Commie Girl]

We never add tobacco, all we get here is Bud.

[RevoltNOW]

All i ever smoked was just weed and it seemed to burn fine and i agree after all the imput on your guys part i think decriminalization would be best because giving control over to the government would be horrible

[andresG]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2004, 01:39 PM
Legalizing marijuana in the USA would be a slap in the face to Colombia and many other nations in South America.Each day Colombians are killed because of terrorist attacks from such organizations as the FARC and M-16. What funds these terrorists are drugs such as marijuana,cocaine, and so on.It would disgust me if the US ever allowed people to smoke this legally.
If these drugs were made legal organisations like the FARC wouldn&#39;t be able to make money selling it on the blackmarket. It would be legal&#33;

[Commie Rat]

i live in australia and i wanna live in andsterdam
:D

[DISTURBEDrbl911]

i feel that weed, pot, grass, whatever you want to call it, should be legalized. it is the persons&#39; choice as to whether or not they want to smoke it or not, and if its not legal, people will just go through more trouble to get it. hell if alchohol and tobacco are legal, why isn&#39;t mary jane? although i do not smoke the substance, i know many who do, and they feel it would be better if it were legal, i do not smoke, because i would like to keep my mind as clear as possible, plus i am always on a natural "high" and it costs too much too

[ComradeChris]

In a communist society why would it be illegal in the first place. It grows on plants; all natural. Anyone should be able to grow it. It really doesn&#39;t affect anyone else as long as you&#39;re being considerate and not smoking around people who don&#39;t want to be near it.

In a capitalist society, it&#39;s a bigger strain to keep it illegal. All the policing funds used for drugs could go to something much better like health care or schooling (anything better than putting people using something that grows from the ground in jail). It&#39;s their choice. And if it&#39;s legal the government could even tax it and put that money to better use. And if it&#39;s illegal people are driven to use it underground when people might spray shit like windex on it :blink: .

On a side note. A good song: Underwear Goes Inside the Pants by Lazy Boy, or Burn One Down by Ben Harper pretty much sum up my beliefs on the issue.

[Comrad-Horky]

Why not?

I mean, if you go to a party and look at the people drinkin&#39; boose and stuff like that, they always end up doing they regreat like hell&#33;
But if you look at the ones smoking you will see a lot more relaxed enviroment around them.

A getaway to stronger drugs, sure, but so is boose and cigarettes.

And one more thing, tobacco is a natural product, so is mariujana, so what&#39;s the differences. Mariujana contains a drug called THC (Tetro Hydro Cannabinol in norwegian) so does our body, the drug just gives us more of it. It&#39;s our body&#39;s own narcotic drug&#33;

[guevara-marley]

i think it should be legalized...i just can&#39;t understand why alcohol is legalized but not canabis...it&#39;s sooo stupid&#33;&#33;there are many more victims of alcohol than by canabis...and there are many more reasons why it should be legalized...

teté

[Colombia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 04:39 AM
In a communist society why would it be illegal in the first place. It grows on plants; all natural. Anyone should be able to grow it.
So are drugs such as crack, LSD, or ectasy natural? Check the chit chat forum topic Drugs for more.

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by Colombia+Jan 11 2005, 02:41 PM--> (Colombia @ Jan 11 2005, 02:41 PM)
[email protected] 11 2005, 04:39 AM
In a communist society why would it be illegal in the first place. It grows on plants; all natural. Anyone should be able to grow it.
So are drugs such as crack, LSD, or ectasy natural? Check the chit chat forum topic Drugs for more. [/b]
No the aren&#39;t natural, they are man made. If they should be leagal is a totally different debate. They are far more harmful.

[Rage Against the Right]

Didn&#39;t Wyoming or Montana decrmiinilize marijuana this November?

[Commie Rat]

but off subject but cig smoking is illigeal iin australia on beaches, in all sports staidums, withing 4meters of a non residential building, in 2/3 of a pub or nightclub and in non-alfesco areas of all restruants [apparently]

people say cig&#39;s are more harmful than weed ?
tru or false ?

[SubZ]

think bill hicks sums it up pretty much here http://www.heavy.com/index.php?videoPath=/...GoodTimeOnDrugs (http://www.heavy.com/index.php?videoPath=/current/billHicks/video/Hicks_RealGoodTimeOnDrugs)

[Red Heretic]

My problem with the legalization of drugs, is that we don&#39;t know what the capitalists would do to them... Just look at they did with tobacco. Not only did they add tar, they&#39;ve overfertilized the soil to the point where there can actually be traces of radiation found in tobacco. This cannot be veiwed as a positive step.

The ONLY reasonable solution in my honest opinion, is to project the hard tim drug lords as enemies of the people, discern between things like marijuana and cocaine... and show that the addicts are victims of capitalism.

[S.J.]

First of all weed along with all other drugs make you weak, stupid, and lazy. secondly the government would regulate the amount of thc allowed to sell just like alcohol.


the ONLY reasonable solution in my honest opinion, is project the hard time drug lords as enemies of the people

Exactly&#33; their products do nothing but harm their community, do they ever stop and put some of their profits BACK into their community? Get rid of the whole pathetic lot of em.

[Elmo]

their products do nothing but harm their community

What are you on about willis. Have you ever been to Amsterdam, nothing but relaxed laid back rastafarians. A society with legalised marajuana would and is the better society, but aslong as they stop at marajuana and dont go legalising heroin and ecstacy then every thing will be easy ridings.

[bolshevik butcher]

I think that peole should be aloud to smoke weed and tobaco in their own homes but in public places I do see the arguments for not allowing it in public places.

[S.J.]

Yes Elmo let them smoke, be lethargic, shit watch a ronco infomercial. Youll find it difficult to start a revolutionlet alone be taken seriously as a pollitical organisation.

[cormacobear]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 06:34 AM
Not only did they add tar, they&#39;ve overfertilized the soil to the point where there can actually be traces of radiation found in tobacco.
That&#39;s cool I&#39;m Radioactive Man. Muahahaha

1 joint conatains about the same amount of carcinogens as 5 cigarettes. But most people I know smoke two or fewer joints a day while most cigarette smokers i know smoke approximately 25 cigs a day. I realize that is just anecdotal, i&#39;m confident the stats would support that.

I started discussing this in Chit-chat but because I think everyone should get to hear my oppinion I&#39;ll print them here to. :lol: :P

Marijuana is the largest agricultural crop in Canada valued at between 7 and 9 billion dollars a year, signifigantly higher than wheat. Virtually every penny is in the hands of organized crime. Marijuana is less addictive than caffiene, a drug most people consider harmless. 5 billion dollars worth is consumed domestically, the rest is produced for export though most, contrary to U.S. gov&#39;t propaghanda does not go to the united states. the Majority of U.S. Marijuana is produced within the U.S.. With 1000 times more coming across the U.S. Mexican border than the U.S. Canadian border.

Legalization would take that 7-9 billion dollars out of organized crimes pockets. This would provide a major new source of tax revenue wich could be dedicated to keeping heroine, crack, and cocaine out of our country, not to mention automatic firearms of which 80% come in illegally fronm the States. The revenue could furthermore aid in education and treatment of addiction which of course are not biker gang, or mafia priorities.

Legalization would also lessen the nature of Marijuana as a gateway drug, as the 60% of Canadians who have used Marijuana would have gone to the drug store or liquor store to purchase it not a drug dealer who gives them access to LSD, methamphetamines, heroine , crack, or cocaine.

Decriminalization will only aggravate the problem by increaseing the number of users without redirecting the profits from criminal to public elements.

In countries where they have legalized after an initial spike in users it returned to and remained at the same level as prior to legaliztion. This same is true of Alchohol use after prohibition.. Curently drug use rates have risen and fallen at nearly equal rates in developed countries that have it legal and those that don&#39;t. So your argument about making it easier to obtain is creating a problem holds no ground, People who would use drugs will either way and people who wouldn&#39;t won&#39;t either way.

Also prices would likely stay about the same due to taxes and levies, a good deal of the price of a pack of cigarettes is dedicated to healthcare, in Canada at least.

It&#39;s time for a change in policy. "The War on Drugs" is a failure, drug use has continued to rise and fall despite being illegal. Because it is illegal the inner cities of the western world are ridden with crime and violence. Tens of thousands of poor working class citizens have been locked up in cages like surplus labour. The war on drugs has alternately provided an excuse for, and a front for the U.S. arms industry. The violent tactics have led to untold suffering in dozens of countries around the world. These laws set the governments interests aginst those of the people. The government says we need more better weapons to fight the war on drugs, they then use the national gaurd at home to hurt it&#39;s own people, and fund attrocious governments, and fascist rebels abroad. Well I say, if they say they need arms to fight the war on drugs, we remind them who makes the laws us, take away there guns and put them back to work serving the people&#39;s interests not their own.

[Xvall]

I&#39;m going to reply to everyone&#39;s comments now. I may sound angry and contentious, but rest assure that I&#39;m just trying to convey my viewpoint the everyone in this thread. Feel free to argue back so that I can promptly grind your argument into dust.

H&S:


Personaly I think it should be legalised, but it can cause scysophrenia (if thats how you spell it&#33;) so it is a touch and go thing

Actually, I&#39;ve never heard of cannabis consumption leading to the development of schizophrenia. Various hallucinogens can cause schizophrenia (that would surface eventually, one way or another) to surface prematurely.

Roses in the Hospital:


I think you have to take into account how widespread useage would become if it was easily available legally.

If the marijuana prohibition is in any way similar to the origional alcohol prohibition, the amount of cannabis usage will change minimally. In all likelyhood, the only difference is that now the people who do use cannabis will be doing it legally and paying less money.


While on that topic what&#39;s the consensus on banning smoking in public places?

I agree with the ban on public smoking, but only to a certain extent. I don&#39;t see a problem with a person smoking as they walk down the street, though I do think that in crowded areas (parks where festivals are taking place, etc), there should be some restrictions as to prevent people who dislike smoke from having a good time.

Revolution is the Solution:


if it was legalized would it be a lot cheaper, because these prices are killing me

Lol.

macorix:


for a good percenatge of people, they move on to heavier shit.

According to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, there is no corellation between marijuana and "hard drugs". As marijuana use increased in the 1960s and 1970s, heroin use declined. And, when marijuana use declined in the 1980s, heroin use remained fairly stable. For the past 20 years, as marijuana use-rates fluctuated, the use of LSD hardly changed at all. Cocaine use increased in the early 1980s as marijuana use was declining. During the late 1980s, both marijuana and cocaine declined. During the last few years, cocaine use has continued to decline as marijuana use has increased slightly.

In the netherlands, as marijuana use has increased in the past few decades, cocaine use has substantially decreased. Whereas approximately 16% of youthful marijuana users in the U.S. have tried cocaine, the comparable figure for Dutch youth is 1.8 percent. [Cohen, P.D.A., Cannabisgebruikers in Amsterdam, Jaarbeurs Congrescentrum Utrecht (1995)]

In 1994, less than 16% of high school seniors who had ever tried marijuana had ever tried cocaine - the lowest percentage ever recorded.

The majority of people who use marijuana do not move on to harder drugs; in fact, many people who use marijuana do not even continue to use it on a regular basis.

Columbia:


Legalizing marijuana in the USA would be a slap in the face to Colombia and many other nations in South America.Each day Colombians are killed because of terrorist attacks from such organizations as the FARC and M-16

Neither of these organizations have a history of selling marijuana; only cocaine. Side question: if the FARC and M-16 started selling food for money, would you advocate the criminalization of eating?


Like I said before it would be a smack in the face for Colombia if they legalized it after fighting for over 40 years.

No, because the FARC would lose all means of making money off of the drug. Apparently, keeping it illegal has only allowed the organization to profit off of it.


Forgive me.I guess you did not know that marijuana is made in Colombia as well?I am refering at ALL DRUGS in general.

The FARC does not sell ALL DRUGS, and for the last time, legalizing illicit substances would prevent criminal organizations from profiting on them.


So are drugs such as crack, LSD, or ectasy natural? Check the chit chat forum topic Drugs for more.

We&#39;re talking about marijuana, not LSD, crack and ecstacy. Are you paying any attention?

Kez:


I wonder if less people will smoke it under socialism/communism. I reckon there will be a significant deecrease, what u think?

I reckon it will stay the same. Recreation is something that surpasses all political boundries.

[guerillablack]

I already hate having cigaratte smoke on my clothes from friends puffing, weed smoke would be even worse&#33;

[Break the Chains]

I&#39;m totaly down with Legalization of Marijuana because it can actually help some people

[USAcommunist]

Legalization of Marijuana, Yes, alcohol is a much more dangerous drug and it is legal, so to be totally fair about recreational drugs it should be legal. The criminals would have to make their money off something else if it was legalized, and, the price of this drug would go down. In my opinion it is a very logical thing to do, the beneficial aspects of legalazation far outnumber the social problems it creates by being illegal.

[Latifa]

All drugs should be legal. However I&#39;d like to raise the issue of date-rape drugs. Should they be legal?

[Commie Rat]

all drugs should be legal but there should be laws agaist drugs that are used on people without there knowledge [date-rape]

one problem i can think of is that marjiauna willl be tured into a corperate product and pumped full of nicotine and other chemicals like tabbaco was

[B_T_N_H]

I don&#39;t get this,

I mean why would people like you, almost all of you think weed should be legalised. I&#39;m not a primitive communist, but, why would any of you have a craving for gettin&#39; High.

You people are supposed to be rational, I don&#39;t think me, in my rational reasoning would blaze that shit so that I can Alemey Ki&#39;RiE... as they put it here, it means getting high to see the world.

I read somewhere , or was it Laurence Fishborne who said it in the movie Boyz N the Hood, that Liquor stores and people who pass around drugs like Rock and Glass are found highly concentrated in some areas because they are allowed to some extent to thrive there..... :ph34r:

I believe it was Shakespear who said, who giveth eternity for a mirth of fleeting joy. and who sells life, for an apple.

Hasta La Victoria Siempre
Bealfan aka Ak-94U

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2005, 07:24 AM
All drugs should be legal. However I&#39;d like to raise the issue of date-rape drugs. Should they be legal?
No, there just tools for sexual abuse.

[B_T_N_H]

If I was to have my say, I would make sure that all drugs except the Medical drugs were illegalised.

[demonedge]

hmmmm... I believe it should have a legal "smoking pot age" much like, cigarettes or alcohol. It should be controlled in some way (like if you&#39;ve been lightin up you can&#39;t drive etc.) and unfortunatly it does have some harmful side-effects (the usual, tar, slowed reaction time etc.) but otherwise it should be legalized :D

[Xvall]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2005, 07:24 AM
All drugs should be legal. However I&#39;d like to raise the issue of date-rape drugs. Should they be legal?
Good question. As far as I know, there are no real date rape drugs because there are countless drugs that can be used to render a person incapacitated. Some drugs are called date rape drugs simply because they seem to be a popular choice by people trying to do such a thing. I feel that drugs like XTC should be legal because it doesn&#39;t matter if it isn&#39;t. As we have seen, making the drug illegal certainly hasn&#39;t stopped date rapes.

Arguably, alcohol is the greatest date-rape drug of all. There have been countless cases of women becoming drunk and being taken advantage of by friends and party-goers in the past.

[NyChe21]

Listen, do whatever you want responsibly. It is not our fault if bougy middle american kids lead boring enough lives in white surburbia and all they do is sit in each others basements and smoke weed. Its not physically addicting, its only a HABIT, which I understand a little differently. Its something that understimulated kids do when they are bored, and for some, that is ALL THE TIME. I don&#39;t mind it, I even do it once and awhile to relax. It is veeerrryyyy soothing. It should be legalized. Like alcohol though, driving and certain public activities should be controlled, but in the safety of one&#39;s house, one should be able to do whatever he or she feels like doing. The only other control that I would consider putting on it is that weed should be sold ONLY in its natural form, without any additives (although I say the same about tobacco).

[Commie Rat]

but there were tests that showed that medicinal marijianuna was exellent at treating some illnesses

[October Revolution]

I&#39;m still undecided on it people shouldn&#39;t be encouraged to smoke dope more, yet i would say it isn&#39;t half as bad as smoking tabacco or alcohol abuse. People should be free to do what they wish with their own bodies in a responsible way if dope were legalised i spose it would be alot safer for people who do it now. Even though, it won&#39;t ever get legalised in the UK and especially not the crazy US.

[B_T_N_H]

I wouldn&#39;t mind to see things like alcohol and tobacco illegalized, don&#39;t call me a primitive communist, but it is not healthy you know,

Not to mention the fact that there is nothing to be gained to it ( atleast in the eyes of rational people. )

Bealfan aka AK-94u

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2005, 09:58 AM
I wouldn&#39;t mind to see things like alcohol and tobacco illegalized, don&#39;t call me a primitive communist, but it is not healthy you know,

Not to mention the fact that there is nothing to be gained to it ( atleast in the eyes of rational people. )

Bealfan aka AK-94u
And how exactley would these bans be enforced? These bans never work.

[Anarchist Freedom]

The legalization of marijuana is a tough thing to argue as many people fuck up the responsibilty of using the drug wisely causing mass public outcry against it. I of course would love to see it legalized and for the herbs uses be taken with full ability. Its impossible to stop the growth of something that occurs naturally people.

[DUNKiNUTS]

Shit you would have thought that the dumbasses in the capital would have thought of just legalizing it and taxing the hell out of it. More money for them. Right?.....

[Purple]

I think it should be illegal. Ive seen it mess up alot of friends education, and they seem less healthy after a short period of smoking. And no one can deny how unhealthy it is. And as leftists you should all try to seem a bit more serious in regards to people that you wanna educate.

[Tupac-Amaru]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 07:02 AM
And no one can deny how unhealthy it is.
Its not any more unhealthy than tobbaco or alcohol. In fact, alcohol is a much more dangerous drug socialy, and its way more addictive. And look at how many people have died from alcohol poisoning. Do you know how many people have died from weed? ->ZERO<-&#33;&#33;&#33; Sure, it can kill you indirectly, like if for example you smoke up and go for a drive, but weed has never directly killed anyone in human history.... :D :P


And besides, just look at it...its so beautiful:

[amusing foibles]

What is gained if it is legalized? It&#39;s not as though pot being illegal stops a lot of people from doing it. Legalizing it would only transfer power from scary drug dealers to scary government officials, and provide even more revenue for the capitalist elite.

That said, the amount of people in jail for pot-related offenses is truly wrong, especially given it&#39;s oft-touted relative harmlessness as compared to, say, alcohol or ciggarettes. Ideally, we&#39;d just smash the damn state already and people would be able to do whatever they feel is appropriate with themselves and their bodies.

[Purple]

Originally posted by Tupac&#045;[email protected] 18 2005, 01:01 PM


And besides, just look at it...its so beautiful:
true... so very true...

but anyway, alcohol kills endless of people on the roads, they say smoking kills 40% of the smokers, so pot isnt dangerous, its just ... radical&#33;

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by amusing [email protected] 18 2005, 03:04 PM
What is gained if it is legalized? It&#39;s not as though pot being illegal stops a lot of people from doing it. Legalizing it would only transfer power from scary drug dealers to scary government officials, and provide even more revenue for the capitalist elite.

That said, the amount of people in jail for pot-related offenses is truly wrong, especially given it&#39;s oft-touted relative harmlessness as compared to, say, alcohol or ciggarettes. Ideally, we&#39;d just smash the damn state already and people would be able to do whatever they feel is appropriate with themselves and their bodies.
it would crack down on organised crime.

[Xvall]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 01:29 AM
Shit you would have thought that the dumbasses in the capital would have thought of just legalizing it and taxing the hell out of it. More money for them. Right?.....
Logging companies, being corporations with outrageous amounts of money, are the capital, and they doesn&#39;t want to lose all of their money when people realize that marijuana can produce four times as much paper as redwood trees.

[amusing foibles]

Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 18 2005, 04:14 PM

it would crack down on organised crime.

It would crack down only on the part of organized crime that deals with marijuana, leaving cocaine, heroin, prostitution and whatever else those wacky gangsters are into these days. Perhaps I am wrong, but I somehow doubt that selling pot to scabby teenagers is organized crime&#39;s big moneypot or power source.

[Guest1]

Pot operations for organized crime are huge.

And the problem is, so long as it is illegal, the Mafia and Hell&#39;s Angels will be the ones controlling the weed. Which means, you get pot that is shitty, or pot that is laced, or get robbed, if you don&#39;t know where to get it. It also means the same place you get your pot, is the place you could get PCP or crack, gateway dealers?

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by amusing foibles+Jan 18 2005, 07:17 PM--> (amusing foibles @ Jan 18 2005, 07:17 PM)
Clenched [email protected] 18 2005, 04:14 PM

it would crack down on organised crime.

It would crack down only on the part of organized crime that deals with marijuana, leaving cocaine, heroin, prostitution and whatever else those wacky gangsters are into these days. Perhaps I am wrong, but I somehow doubt that selling pot to scabby teenagers is organized crime&#39;s big moneypot or power source. [/b]
My point was that most people on harder drugs started out by smoking weed.

[amusing foibles]

Originally posted by Che y [email protected] 18 2005, 07:30 PM
Pot operations for organized crime are huge.



I stand corrected; I must admit I&#39;m not terribly up on the activities of organized crime / buying pot in general. Maybe I should just shut up.




My point was that most people on harder drugs started out by smoking weed.

That&#39;s not the point you made at all...

[seraphim]

I smoke the herb um...................................... a lot but i don&#39;t think it should be legalized, half the fun is that its illegal.

[Tupac-Amaru]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2005, 11:21 AM
half the fun is that its illegal.
you think so? Id rather smoke in peace and not get took to jail...
And its still fun when its legalized, look at Amsterdam...SO MUCH FUN

ok, i can&#39;t resist it...here&#39;s another beautiful pic:

[DUNKiNUTS]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2005, 11:21 AM
I smoke the herb um...................................... a lot but i don&#39;t think it should be legalized, half the fun is that its illegal.
He makes a great point. If you legalize it then there would be a flood of use then everyone is like damn this isn&#39;t fun anymore.

[trex]

I don&#39;t think selling the stuff should be legal, but the punishment for posessing it should be more relaxed.

[existential1]

"Isn&#39;t it funny how cigarettes and alcohol, two drugs that do.....NOTHING for you, are legal. While drugs that wake up you up to the realization that you&#39;re being FUCKED everyday... why those drugs are illegal." ~Bill Hicks
I believe many people who have posted on tis topic have been misled by false statistics about marijuana. Anyone who is interested about finding out the true effects of this drug and it&#39;s history in American law, should pehaps pick up a copy of The Marijuana Papers, the most extensive analysis of marijuana, prformed by scientists not directly connected to the government. I find it odd, that people on a revolutionary website, would post obvious government propagandized statistics and research. Yes, Marijuana should be legal, so should all other drugs. Drug laws are only designed to put poor people in jail and make governmental service employees and capitalists rich. What you do to your body is your choice, no one else&#39;s. But because of the religious fervor instilled inside American nationalism, many people blindly accept these "facts" given to them by the govenment, that all drugs will turn you into a ravenous, crazed murdering maniac. Unfortunately for us, drugs in America will never be made legal until the hierarchical structure is turned on it&#39;s head, giving power to the working class people&#39;s of this country.

[RJH-Music]

Marijuana induces a state of beautiful euphoria and pretty much renders a human being harmless which completely contradicts the commercials showing high people blowing their brains out, destroying shit etc... Anyone that has ever been high knows that the best thing to do is either to watch a movie or listen to some music and not do anything stupid. Marijuana is a great thing if a person can control themselves and use it in moderation. That is the key word that would solve many problems. Moderation. If this method can be used than marijuana is a great and relaxing drug. I do smoke marijuana but I don&#39;t think it should be completely legalized because many people do not use it in moderation but I do think it should be decriminalized.

[octovia]

I&#39;ve had my fair share of the drug and find it to be GREAT though i do think it can interfere when it comes to work.i like nothing more than sitting back reading quantum physics whilst stoned. :lol:

[whatLurks]

I think it wouldn&#39;t make that much difference either way if pot was legalized. The only reason it hasn&#39;t been in the good ol us of a is because it would be too hard to tax. I think it should be, people should be able to do to themselves whatever they want. However, I would highly recomend not doing a lot of things that would be filed under whatever you want to yourslf. I&#39;m trying to kick my addiction to zoloft. I&#39;ve taken so much it has throughly fucked up my heart and my nervous system. Drugs are okay and should be legalized but, within reason. once it becomes an addiction, I wouldn&#39;t say NO DON&#39;T DO IT but, it&#39;s not good for you wantever it is and unless you kick it within a resonable time, it will ceatch up with you, even if that is only knocking a year or two off your life, it&#39;s still something negative.