Capitalism rocks

[Raisa]

You know how to make your system look stupid?

The fact that a real lot of capitalists dont want to except the recent sucsesses of europe say it all.
Capitalism rocks, only when its you! ......Let it be any one else, and at least you have nationalism to fall back on. :)

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 12:57 AM
You know how to make your system look stupid?

The fact that a real lot of capitalists dont want to except the recent sucsesses of europe say it all.
Capitalism rocks, only when its you! ......Let it be any one else, and at least you have nationalism to fall back on. :)
Which sucesses are these ?

[Nyder]

The Professor is going to wipe the floor with you, commie, but let's hear it anyway! :D

[Daniel Karssenberg]

To Raisa
Are you denying the right of an individual to let him or herself make successes in a free society? Or do you dislike individuality and freedom of the individual as a whole?

[cubist]

the professor hahahaha, is that like the architect, Nyder why don't you wipe the floor with it if its so fallable

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 12:57 AM
You know how to make your system look stupid?

The fact that a real lot of capitalists dont want to except the recent sucsesses of europe say it all.
Capitalism rocks, only when its you! ......Let it be any one else, and at least you have nationalism to fall back on. :)
People like you make me feel a little more secure with my grammar.

I would also like to hear about these successes. Do you mean the way the Europeans have successfully turned into terrorists symphothisers? Or maybe your talking about successfully raising taxes to a laughable amount.

Help me out here.

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 01:46 PM
the professor hahahaha, is that like the architect, Nyder why don't you wipe the floor with it if its so fallable
I'd love to, but I'm not sure what these successes are that Raisa is talking about.

And no, managing to stabilise it's fiat currency doesn't count.

[cubist]

LUCID,
I didn't realise they supported bush,

seriously, how is america not being a terrorist in its holy war, bith sides are killing people in the name of Yaqweh or Allah yet one is the valiant saviours and others are terrorists.

Personally i think its all a farce and that to stop terrorism is impossible. As terrorism is people who have been opressed waking the world up, and as long as people are oppressed terrorism will exist, easy solution would be to find the route of the cuase and fix the problem, be it better pay, reliving the debt, giving them they're country back, what ever do that and the terrorists will go away, don't do it and people will die, never those responsible, always innocents.

i know your saying negotiating with terrorists will premote terrorists, but i say fixing the issue before it rises will prevent terrorists,

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 02:41 PM
LUCID,
I didn't realise they supported bush,

seriously, how is america not being a terrorist in its holy war, bith sides are killing people in the name of Yaqweh or Allah yet one is the valiant saviours and others are terrorists.

Personally i think its all a farce and that to stop terrorism is impossible. As terrorism is people who have been opressed waking the world up, and as long as people are oppressed terrorism will exist, easy solution would be to find the route of the cuase and fix the problem, be it better pay, reliving the debt, giving them they're country back, what ever do that and the terrorists will go away, don't do it and people will die, never those responsible, always innocents.

i know your saying negotiating with terrorists will premote terrorists, but i say fixing the issue before it rises will prevent terrorists,
People start flying planes into US buildings and we are going to fuck them up. Your country or a group in your country that is supported by your government starts flying planes into US biulding we will come over there and fuck you up. Forget about the past forget about the future. US sees a danger in the middle east and is reacting. Get over it and get outa the way.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Last time I checked, Europe isn't doing particularly hot right now.

They can't even settle their currency issue right now.

They are not in a crisis, mind you, but "recent successes" would need to be supported by some facts. Do you have some? And if you do, where did you formulate the notion that Americans have some sort of problem with it?

Please advise.

[cubist]

yes lucid,

so when a country places trade embargos on america and carpet bombs americas cities for approx 6 years out of 14, and drives your economy into the ground whilst pretending its helping, invades and installs dictTORS YOU DON'T WANT AND 40 YEARS LATER EVICT THEM TO INSTALL DEMOCRACY, and untop of it all is of a different religion to yours, what would you do

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 04:44 PM
yes lucid,

so when a country places trade embargos on america and carpet bombs americas cities for approx 6 years out of 14, and drives your economy into the ground whilst pretending its helping, invades and installs dictTORS YOU DON'T WANT AND 40 YEARS LATER EVICT THEM TO INSTALL DEMOCRACY, and untop of it all is of a different religion to yours, what would you do
nuke 'em

[Touchstone]

Cubist, you are a respectable and brilliant man. So CI, you are for the Iraqis nuking the U.S.? After what we have done to them, I am totally for the Iraqi people fighting back.

[cubist]

thank you,

that is the response i was expecting from you CI, its obvious that what america did in the past is coming back round, but why do you not stand for it, and why should they, the hipocracy of the situation that has risen is enormous, the real resolution is impossible, but the truth is america came to independance through its own actions and it should allow other countries taht right too. the iraqis do want freedom but they want there freedom not our freedom

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 04:58 PM
Cubist, you are a respectable and brilliant man. So CI, you are for the Iraqis nuking the U.S.? After what we have done to them, I am totally for the Iraqi people fighting back.
For those of you who did not understand, I was being faceteous about the nuke thing.

Touchstone, what have we done to them besides liberate them from a dictatorial despot?



The iraqis do want freedom but they want there freedom not our freedom

Come on, Cubist, Iraqs want their own freedom?
They were doing nothing about it until we arrived, and they were all to happy to help us tear down Saddams statue and hand us flowers after the fall of Saddam's bagdad. Make no mistake, most Iraqs are very happy that we helped them with their freedom.

Rest assured, 5 years from now they will look back and realize we did them a favor. Things just hapen to seem convoluted and confusing right now because we are in transition. We will hand tem a representative government on June 30. From there we have a lot of work to do, but it will be for the best.

[cubist]

CI,

they want freedom from sadam YES, they want democracy they set up Yes,. they want the country responsible for 1/2 million civillian deaths from trade embargos making money of this NO, they want the same country brought them sadam to participate in bringing them democracy NO

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 05:37 PM
CI,

they want freedom from sadam YES, they want democracy they set up Yes,. they want the country responsible for 1/2 million civillian deaths from trade embargos making money of this NO, they want the same country brought them sadam to participate in bringing them democracy NO
The only person responsible for civilian deaths under the trade embargo was Hussein. There was a series of provisions to that emargo that allowed food, medicine, and supplies through to Iraqi civilians. Saddam ursurped these resources, illegally, for his own use.

Again, Saddam Hussein is responsible for the situation in Iraq, and no one else.

[cubist]

And again,


who put sadam in power?


Who needed to put someone in power in iraq to fight communists/socialists?
hat someone needed to be the sort of person who hated social welfare and socialists, That person would have to be heartless enough to kill hundreds of kurdish people, that persons armies were trained by the CIA, that persons name was sadam hussein, that person was installed by a pannicky capitalist government who were scared of the spread of socialism across the world, giving a super power too much power against the mighty $,

That person was chosen for a job and he did it, only he took it further,

so the blood is infact on the hands of those in the west fighting the iron curtain, that is the reason we a tidying up this mess,

That is also why afghanistan and a certain terrorist was trained by the people he now terrorises, is in existance.

CI it is us the blood has been spilt for us, and its is there blood that i attempt to wash off my hands everyday,

[dopediana]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 20 2004, 05:50 PM
The only person responsible for civilian deaths under the trade embargo was Hussein. There was a series of provisions to that emargo that allowed food, medicine, and supplies through to Iraqi civilians. Saddam ursurped these resources, illegally, for his own use.

Again, Saddam Hussein is responsible for the situation in Iraq, and no one else.
soooo, since we put saddam in power and have declared him responsible for all iraq's problems, let's turn sovereignty over to iraqis but keep a very strong hand in iraqi policy with the assistance of the illustrious john d. negroponte.......

please read and tell me again that iraq will be a success:




Career diplomat John Negroponte has been nominated by
President Bush to be U.S. Ambassador to Iraq. He would
head the largest U.S. embassy after what is now admitted
to be "limited sovereignty" is turned over to Iraq on June
30. Negroponte's record makes him uniquely unqualified for
this important posting.

*Negroponte was political officer at the U.S. Embassy in
Vietnam from 1964-1968, the height of the war, and during
a period of extrajudicial executions and gross human
rights abuses, including massacres by the infamous "Tiger
Force" of the Army's 101st Airborne Division.

*Negroponte was ambassador to Honduras from 1981-1985
during which he oversaw a ten-fold increase in staff and
an embassy that housed one of the largest CIA deployments
in all of Latin America. He lied to Congress about his
knowledge of the infamous Battalion 316 death squad, and
managed illegal aid to the Contras fighting the Nicaraguan
government in direct contravention of Congress' ban.

*Negroponte was ambassador to Mexico 1989-1993 where he
shepherded the North America Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)
to its conclusion. NAFTA has caused one million Mexican
farmers to lose their land and livelihoods and undermined
labor and environmental protections in Mexico, the U.S.,
and Canada.

*Negroponte has served as U.S. ambassador to the United
Nations since September 2001 during the run-up to the U.S.
invasion of Iraq. He is guilty of lying to the UN about
justifications for the war and successfully pressured
Mexico and Chile to fire their UN ambassadors after they
clashed with him over the war.

The Senate Foreign Relations Committee scheduled a rushed
hearing on the nomination on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 and
the Senate leadership has scheduled a full Senate vote for
Thursday, April 29. Negroponte's lack of democratic
credentials and his record of support for, or turning a
blind eye to, gross human rights violations, held up his
nomination for UN ambassador in 2001. But, the Senate
Foreign Relations Committee held a quick approval vote on
Sept. 12, 2001, rushing him through during the chaos
following the tragedy of the day before.

from an A.N.S.W.E.R. newsletter through mail.

and yes, ANSWER is a leftist organization. this does NOT mean that they manufacture information to display with the intent to brainwash people. this is legitimate information and if you have any doubts about it, i invite you to prove otherwise.

[Touchstone]

We have condemed them to a failing democracy while a leader like Saddam rules them. We put SADDAM INTO POWER! Explain that. Just because the U.S is fickile about forign policy and imperialism, that does not give us the right to play with other nations lives.

[Raisa]

psh. Yes it does fooooool .......were number 1 !!! :rolleyes:

[DaCuBaN]

It is simply a matter of character. Look at the example of the diplomat the US installed in Iraq. Vietnam, Honduras... the list really isn't very good. Makes you think the guy would be a bit of an asshole really...

In answer to the topic, capitalism does rock. The only problem is it's really really weak if you are on the bottom of the pile - and this is where socialism comes in. The problem lies not in the systems involved - both are as equally flawed - but in the peoples that administer aforementioned system.

Fucking assholes :rolleyes:

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 06:06 PM
Who needed to put someone in power in iraq to fight communists/socialists?
hat someone needed to be the sort of person who hated social welfare and socialists,
Saddam Husseing ran the socialist Baath Party. (Lol...He ran the Baath. God, I crack myself up.) He was seen as the lesser of two evils between him and the islamo-fascist Ayotolla Khomeni.

Nothing the US has ever done to afghanistan warranted 9/11 and nobody from the west trained Osama's buddies to fly planes into buildings; they did it all off their own steam.

[RevolucioN NoW]

Saddam Hussein ran the socialist Baath Party

There was nothing 'socialist' about the Baath party under Saddam's rule. There had been a powerful leftist undercurrent in the party during the 60's and early 70's which is in fact one of the reasons why the U$ support Saddam over the already established Baathist government (Saddam was deputy at this time). This led to Sadam's takeover and the execution of the entire leftist stream of the Baath party. hmm, some socialist ey.


Nothing the US has ever done to afghanistan warranted 9/11 and nobody from the west trained Osama's buddies to fly planes into buildings; they did it all off their own steam.

Erm, are you trying to say that 9/11 was an act of Afghani foriegn policy :blink: . Osama recieved U$ and Saudi aid in the Mujahideen wars in the 80's, they were 'freedom fighters' back then, remember?

[cubist]

Nothing the US has ever done to afghanistan warranted 9/11 and nobody from the west trained Osama's buddies to fly planes into buildings; they did it all off their own steam.

i at no point said it did, but Osama is a product of the west, yes he turned out to be a bad apple just like sadam,

you really do fail to see the idiocy of it all don't you,

scaredy little christian capitalists who oppressed every one to become what they have, VS bullied crushed oppressed muslim extremists


Christians vs Muslims is what it boils down to,

to remind you of GW bush senior saying he thinks non christians can't be patriotic to america as it is a god fearing nation,


I do not sympathise with islam and its bullshit cause, nor do i think amercia and the UK are protecting me from the islamic terriorist threat, i think they are both creating a bigger problem,


YOU CAN NOT ERADICATE TERRORISM, UNLESS YOU STOP OPRESSING THE WORKING CLASS,

[capatilist dude]

CApatilism is the route of all evil

[Osman Ghazi]

Saddam Husseing ran the socialist Baath Party

so now the U$ supports socialism? And here I thought that they kill any leftist they can get their hands on.

Actually, if we were to look at America's history, they have a much longer history of supporting 'islamo-fascists' than of supporting socialists. Islam Kirimov for a modern day example.

Maybe, just maybe the Afghans were pissed because you allowed their country to be turned into a shitpile by creating a 10-year civil war.

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 04:44 PM
yes lucid,

so when a country places trade embargos on america and carpet bombs americas cities for approx 6 years out of 14, and drives your economy into the ground whilst pretending its helping, invades and installs dictTORS YOU DON'T WANT AND 40 YEARS LATER EVICT THEM TO INSTALL DEMOCRACY, and untop of it all is of a different religion to yours, what would you do
It's not gonna happen in my lifetime so I really don't have to worry about it.

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by Osman [email protected] 21 2004, 12:54 PM

Saddam Husseing ran the socialist Baath Party

so now the U$ supports socialism? And here I thought that they kill any leftist they can get their hands on.
They supported Stalin too. Remember the war ?

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by capatilist [email protected] 21 2004, 11:35 AM
CApatilism is the route of all evil
Care to explain that a little ?

[cubist]

t's not gonna happen in my lifetime so I really don't have to worry about it.

YOU PRICK, sorry shouldn't swear but thats the dumbest thing you have ever said.

becuase no one will do to america what america has done to you, you can't give me your opinion in the hypothetical circumstance,


yet you can give your opinion about what they decided to do about it,

LUCID you are an ASSHOLE, you must be related to BUSH

[robob8706]

Hey can anyone tell me how to make a new topic discussion?

[Touchstone]

Robo just go to the page where the topics are, and click on new thread. Anyway, capitalism is for the rich screw everyone else. That's the capitlaist idea simplefied.

[Touchstone]

Sorry, to clarify something, i'm a communist. That last post made me look like cappie.

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 04:00 PM
t's not gonna happen in my lifetime so I really don't have to worry about it.

YOU PRICK, sorry shouldn't swear but thats the dumbest thing you have ever said.

becuase no one will do to america what america has done to you, you can't give me your opinion in the hypothetical circumstance,


yet you can give your opinion about what they decided to do about it,

LUCID you are an ASSHOLE, you must be related to BUSH
You think the "US" (It's not America you dumb tool, North America is a continent.) is the only ones that have carpet bombed other countries? (BTW, we don't carpet bomb anymore because we don't have to.)

Now let me untwist your lefty response. I said I wasn&#39;t going to worry about all of those things happening to the "US" ( <-- notice I didn&#39;t say America) because I don&#39;t think it will happen. We will probably have to deal with some of your terrorists friends but I don&#39;t think we are gonna get invaded. I never said that I was ok with us carpet bombing other countries (Which we are not doing.) or that it was ok to place embargo&#39;s against other countries. For one I think the embargo against Cuba should be lifted. I don&#39;t think Cuba is a threat and doubt that it ever will. But if Cuba decides to let some other country like China park nukes there I think we should do it again.

So go change your tampon and piss off.

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 04:21 PM
Robo just go to the page where the topics are, and click on new thread. Anyway, capitalism is for the rich screw everyone else. That&#39;s the capitlaist idea simplefied.
Correction: Capitalism is for people that want to earn there belongings through hard work. Please don&#39;t believe this limpdick when he says that all capitalists just sit around and collect money. Most work for it.

[Touchstone]

That&#39;s rich. What about the poor kid, living in a ghetto in Chicago, and then go to the multi-millionaries son who WILL NEVER HAVE TO WORK A DAY IN HIS LIFE&#33; That&#39;s not equality. The poor kid will have to work for most of his life, and when he is 50 or 60 he MIGHT retire. Explain That

[Touchstone]

You know what he ment by America. Don&#39;t try and go troll someone just because you are pissed.

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 04:32 PM
That&#39;s rich. What about the poor kid, living in a ghetto in Chicago, and then go to the multi-millionaries son who WILL NEVER HAVE TO WORK A DAY IN HIS LIFE&#33; That&#39;s not equality. The poor kid will have to work for most of his life, and when he is 50 or 60 he MIGHT retire. Explain That
And then you have the %90 percent that are in between that go out and put in a hards day work. You are taking the poor and the rich, removing everyone inbetween, and then making comparisons. Your a fool.

I for one have no problem working until I am 50 or 60. Maybe your just lazy and unmotivated.

[Touchstone]

But when your bones have broken down after 50 years or hard work, see what kind of retirement you have. Don&#39;t troll. It&#39;s not nice. Everyone inbetween, has just as much of a chance of falling into either of those comparisons I made.

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 04:34 PM
You know what he ment by America. Don&#39;t try and go troll someone just because you are pissed.
I am not pissed about anything. If I was a commie and wasn&#39;t able to live in communist society I&#39;d be pissed. I might even get online and tell people I don&#39;t know that I hate them. But I am not. I am capitalists and right now we are in control and I am happy :D

I may have known what he meant but that doesn&#39;t mean it wasn&#39;t stupid. It&#39;s like me wanting to make a comment about the french pussies and instead saying european pussies. Ones a country the other is a continent. Maybe Canada and mexico don&#39;t want to be lumped together with the "US".

[Touchstone]

But it was a general statement. And just for clarification, Mexico is in SOUTH AMERICA. Yes cappies are in control. And that is a very bad thing. Anyway, back on topic, CI, If he would have refused, he would have been charged with in-subbordanace.

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 04:43 PM
But it was a general statement. And just for clarification, Mexico is in SOUTH AMERICA. Yes cappies are in control. And that is a very bad thing. Anyway, back on topic, CI, If he would have refused, he would have been charged with in-subbordanace.
Unless Mexico moved overnight.

Map of North America (http://www.travel.com.hk/region/namermap.htm)

[Touchstone]

I was taught by my geography teacher that Mexico was considered South America. (If i&#39;m wrong, blame my teacher) But, i&#39;m pretty sure i&#39;m right.

[SittingBull47]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 20 2004, 05:17 PM


Come on, Cubist, Iraqs want their own freedom?
They were doing nothing about it until we arrived, and they were all to happy to help us tear down Saddams statue and hand us flowers after the fall of Saddam&#39;s bagdad. Make no mistake, most Iraqs are very happy that we helped them with their freedom.

idiot. I take it you never heard the stories about iraqi resistance in the first gulf war. Militias against suddam took to the streets, thinking that the americans had their backs. But where did we go? We didn&#39;t help them out. We pulled out of iraq and left them still oppressed, but with the fact that they could have been so close. Naturally freedom can&#39;t come from a foreign imperialist country, but the fact is they fought against Suddam before we even came in. We didn&#39;t even support the people, (who we said we were going to free), we said "fuck you" and left them to battle the regime. You wonder why their dispirited, and why attempts since then have been few and far between.

[cubist]

US which is short for USA which is united states of america, which implies taht america is where the US is, noticed canade is not the THE C A canada of america

and mexico isn&#39;t either,

unless of course its the united states of america plus the two other countries of america,

i am also not a woman and find no use for a tampon,

nor am i a limpdick

nor have i said this
he says that all capitalists just sit around and collect money

you are a supporter of a regieme you don&#39;t understand, you proove it to us everyday and you haven&#39;t worked it out yet, if capitalism was equal i wouldn&#39;t complain, and once again i still work for my money infact i probs earn more than you lucid seeing as the dollar is so weak against the pound,

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 05:03 PM
I was taught by my geography teacher that Mexico was considered South America. (If i&#39;m wrong, blame my teacher) But, i&#39;m pretty sure i&#39;m right.
Just look at a damn map Einstein.

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 05:32 PM
US which is short for USA which is united states of america, which implies taht america is where the US is, noticed canade is not the THE C A canada of america

and mexico isn&#39;t either,

unless of course its the united states of america plus the two other countries of america,

i am also not a woman and find no use for a tampon,

nor am i a limpdick

nor have i said this
he says that all capitalists just sit around and collect money

you are a supporter of a regieme you don&#39;t understand, you proove it to us everyday and you haven&#39;t worked it out yet, if capitalism was equal i wouldn&#39;t complain, and once again i still work for my money infact i probs earn more than you lucid seeing as the dollar is so weak against the pound,
I looked up America and will concede to the fact that the US is generally referred to as America. But I still think it&#39;s silly. The USA took the name America from the continent it lies on. Not the other way around.


I havn&#39;t spent 20 years studying Capitalism but I still have a pretty good grasp about what it is. And I know that everyone is not equal. I don&#39;t expect everyone to be. I don&#39;t have a problem with the fact that we will never be equal. As human beings we are not equal and socially we will never be equal.

Before you start screaming rascist let me clarif my comment about human beings not being equal. Some people can run better than I can. Some can write better. Some can sing better, draw better, hit further, add better, piss further etc.

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 05:32 PM
i still work for my money infact i probs earn more than you lucid seeing as the dollar is so weak against the pound,
If you do it&#39;s no sweat off of my back. I don&#39;t look down on people for doing well.

[cubist]

i am not calling you racist lucid, i think you are unelightened and deluded, as you do i,

i must however question why, why do you if you don&#39;t mind, bother being on a commie/anarchist/socialist/pinko forum, making absurd statements against us. you may disagree with our thinking but i honestly don&#39;t think that if you got off you arse and actually read with an open mind communist/socialist material you would mind it,

Many on here are students but many aren&#39;t, i am not and not all will remain jobless bums (not that i think your bums), most will continue to provide for there nation and themselves in a humble and honourable manner even by your standards. but most will also continue hating being a wage slave, we are all wage slaves you don&#39;t mind but we do, we do becuase we are wage slaves and even worse other less fortunate people don&#39; get what we get and work even harder.

you are not a capitalist as you do not profit of of someone else, you like us are a slave but you don&#39;t mind and thats fine but i don&#39;t understand why you are here,


also i don&#39;t look down on you for your job i look down on you for your lack of respect for fellow non american working class, and your complete disregard for foreign affairs of a rational nature, and i also dislike your accusations against us but not for your job or your status

[DaCuBaN]

Some people can run better than I can. Some can write better. Some can sing better, draw better, hit further, add better, piss further etc

I love the way this ties in so nicely with


From each according to his ability, to each according to his need

Or at leas the first part of that sentence. Marx&#39;s ideas took into account the fact that no two humans are truly alike. The only difference is the attitude of assist or not: A socialist regime focusing government efforts on welfare, health, education whereas a capitalist regime focuses on Economy. Both have their place, and in all honest I feel a balance is required and that neither would ever truly work - after all, we haven&#39;t yet seen *real* capitalism either.


Just look at a damn map Einstein

God damn guys.... you are both wrong anyway&#33; Learn to compromise. One says north, the other says south - quite clearly it&#39;s Central America, or Latin America. It&#39;s definitely not north or south :rolleyes: :lol:


I am not pissed about anything. If I was a commie and wasn&#39;t able to live in communist society I&#39;d be pissed. I might even get online and tell people I don&#39;t know that I hate them. But I am not. I am capitalists and right now we are in control and I am happy

Not that I don&#39;t enjoy your company, but I am intruiged as to why you post.... do you consider this a useful place to learn opposing arguments? or is it a case of you really just like to pick fights...?


I may have known what he meant but that doesn&#39;t mean it wasn&#39;t stupid. It&#39;s like me wanting to make a comment about the french pussies and instead saying european pussies. Ones a country the other is a continent. Maybe Canada and mexico don&#39;t want to be lumped together with the "US".

Give it time, you&#39;ll be able to say europussies soon enough :rolleyes:
Considering that the USA is the United States of America, that lies on the American continent, it&#39;s fair enough to call it &#39;america&#39; and it&#39;s inhabitants &#39;americans&#39;. After all, in reality I think they&#39;d be quite happy to bring Mexico and Canada in on the act too...

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 04:43 PM
But it was a general statement. And just for clarification, Mexico is in SOUTH AMERICA.
It is really bad when you are confident enough in your belief to make a declaration in caps, and then you are totally wrong.

[DaCuBaN]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Well, if CI&#39;s going to rip into someone, I can at least laugh ;) :D

It&#39;s such a fickle point as well - that&#39;s what I don&#39;t understand. Nationalism is a strange beast - who cares what a nation gets called? America, Home of Satan, USA, Heaven - I really couldn&#39;t care less. It&#39;s a chunk of land.

It&#39;s not communism or capitalism that will slow the rate of human progress - it&#39;s petty arguments like this tripe.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 04:43 PM
Anyway, back on topic, CI, If he would have refused, he would have been charged with in-subbordanace.
Maybe at 1st, but once it would be determined that his orders were in violation of the Geneva convention, he would have been exonerated (especially with the whole Iraqi-Prison Scandal happening).

He would have been a poster boy for making the right decision.

[Touchstone]

Ouch. Do you honestly think that the Geneva Convention laws mean anything to an Imperialist Nation? Sorry. I griped at my teacher today. No more flames please.

[lucid]

Originally posted by DaCuBaN+May 21 2004, 07:06 PM--> (DaCuBaN @ May 21 2004, 07:06 PM)
Some people can run better than I can. Some can write better. Some can sing better, draw better, hit further, add better, piss further etc

I love the way this ties in so nicely with


From each according to his ability, to each according to his need

Or at leas the first part of that sentence. Marx&#39;s ideas took into account the fact that no two humans are truly alike. The only difference is the attitude of assist or not: A socialist regime focusing government efforts on welfare, health, education whereas a capitalist regime focuses on Economy. Both have their place, and in all honest I feel a balance is required and that neither would ever truly work - after all, we haven&#39;t yet seen *real* capitalism either.


Just look at a damn map Einstein

God damn guys.... you are both wrong anyway&#33; Learn to compromise. One says north, the other says south - quite clearly it&#39;s Central America, or Latin America. It&#39;s definitely not north or south :rolleyes: :lol:


I am not pissed about anything. If I was a commie and wasn&#39;t able to live in communist society I&#39;d be pissed. I might even get online and tell people I don&#39;t know that I hate them. But I am not. I am capitalists and right now we are in control and I am happy

Not that I don&#39;t enjoy your company, but I am intruiged as to why you post.... do you consider this a useful place to learn opposing arguments? or is it a case of you really just like to pick fights...?


I may have known what he meant but that doesn&#39;t mean it wasn&#39;t stupid. It&#39;s like me wanting to make a comment about the french pussies and instead saying european pussies. Ones a country the other is a continent. Maybe Canada and mexico don&#39;t want to be lumped together with the "US".

Give it time, you&#39;ll be able to say europussies soon enough :rolleyes:
Considering that the USA is the United States of America, that lies on the American continent, it&#39;s fair enough to call it &#39;america&#39; and it&#39;s inhabitants &#39;americans&#39;. After all, in reality I think they&#39;d be quite happy to bring Mexico and Canada in on the act too... [/b]

[email protected] 21 2004, 07:06 PM
God damn guys.... you are both wrong anyway&#33; Learn to compromise. One says north, the other says south - quite clearly it&#39;s Central America, or Latin America. It&#39;s definitely not north or south :rolleyes: :lol:

Something most people learn in elementary school. (http://www.stemnet.nf.ca/CITE/maps.htm)

http://www.scottforesman.com/educators/maps/N_amermap.html

Central America is part of the North American Continent.

[DaCuBaN]

http://images.google.com/images?q=central+...&ie=UTF-8&hl=en (http://images.google.com/images?q=central+america&ie=UTF-8&hl=en)

I see lots of pictures of mexico... I guess I must be wrong?

It&#39;s an elementary point though and not what I intended as you were very much aware. My real point was you need to Learn to compromise

http://www.scottforesman.com/educators/maps/s_amermap.html

So... according to the same site, nothing between Mexico and Colombia exists? :lol:


Central America is part of the North American Continent

Continents are as absurd a grouping as nations - if you want an accurate representation use tectonics (http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/plate_tectonics/plate_anim.html). Bear in mind that the only reason that north and south america aren&#39;t joined in central is because we dug a great big ditch between them - Just as we did with africa.

I notice that you choose misinformation over debate - you merely attempt to bring my credibility into disrepute rather than refute my arguments. Thank you for living up to my expectations ;) :lol: :D

[lucid]

Central America is a part of the continent of North America. Learn it so you don&#39;t make a fool of yourself in real life like you did in here.

Here is some practive for you. (http://www.lizardpoint.com/fun/geoquiz/worldquiz.html)

[DaCuBaN]

:angry: Again, you refuse to address my point&#33;

You assert to me that central america is part of the north american continent, and I rebuke with an argument based on tectonics.

As far as I can see you are simply continue avoiding the issue, whilst I do address yours - yet you throw links at me of no relevance to a progressive discussion.

Personally, I would not use continental (or national) classification - I am no sectarian. I only use the tectonics example to satisfy your unbending desire to &#39;group&#39; everything you see.

I am merely trying to be reasonable here. Can you not learn to compromise ? :rolleyes:

*EDIT*

Apologies for all the editing - exasperation has a serious effect on my level of literacy :lol:

[synthesis]

Uh, officially, Mexico is part of North America. The North American Free Trade Agreement consisted of Canada, the U.S., and Mexico.

Culturally and ethnically, it may best be placed elsewhere. But in the political sense, Mexico is in North American.

[DaCuBaN]

The North American Free Trade Agreement consisted of Canada, the U.S., and Mexico.


Isreal want to be in the European Union, as do Turkey. The latter may be borderline, but noone could assert that Israel is part of Europe.

The North Atlantic Treatise Organisation (http://www.nato.int/structur/countries.htm) is just as bad - only 7 of the 26 members are actually bordered on the Atlantic Ocean.

My point is that political boundaries and groupings like these are totally meangingless. Central America sits on it&#39;s own tectonic plate, and as such can be easily classified as a &#39;region&#39; - this is a grouping that at least has some geological backing.

It&#39;s almost ironic that I only joined this argument to point out how stupid it was getting, and end up getting dragged down into it :rolleyes: :lol: