Mao Quote

[Roses in the Hospital]

Can anyone give me Mao's 'power from the barrel of a gun' quote accurately...I know how it goes roughly but need the original to add to my 'quote collection.'

[The Role Of Ideology]

"All Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun"

[Roses in the Hospital]

Was there not a another clause, something about the party holding the gun? Or maybe I just invented that bit...
Thanks

[M_Rawlins]

Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party.

"Problems of War and Strategy" (November 6, 1938), Selected Works, Vol. II, p. 224.

Mao Quotations on The People's Army (http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/works/red-book/ch09.htm)

[Roses in the Hospital]

That's the one. Thank you.

[Subversive Rob]

Every Communist must grasp the truth; "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun."

"Problems of War and Strategy" (November 6, 1938), Selected Works, Vol. II, p. 224.

Could also be this one...

[Essential Insignificance]

Every Communist must grasp the truth; "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun."

That’s a "truth" that I will never accommodate as a particular piece of evidence or factuality of historical happenings; rather the words of a guerrilla pugilist in a third world country.

Maybe he has some legitimacy, when referring to guerrilla insurgency; but that’s about it.

Heres some revision-"Political power grows out of the masses consciousness; for themselves with themselves".

[h&s]

You should buy Cairman Mao Tse Tung's Book of Quotations if you want stuff like that.

[Essential Insignificance]

You should buy Cairman Mao Tse Tung's Book of Quotations if you want stuff like that.

Why would one subject oneself to that debris; it's absolute rubbish. But I deduce…if you want to "comprehend" Chairman Mao and this merciless political principles and revolutionary notions, not to mention other anomalous topics, then it’s suitably a "fine" scheme.

[Salvador Allende]

Originally posted by Essential [email protected] 28 2004, 02:31 AM
Why would one subject oneself to that debris; it's absolute rubbish. But I deduce…if you want to "comprehend" Chairman Mao and this merciless political principles and revolutionary notions, not to mention other anomalous topics, then it’s suitably a "fine" scheme.
The works are beautiful and speak of relying on the people and their needs and wants. Mao himself was a hero to the people and through his policies such as the First Five-Year Plan and the Hundred Flowers Campaign brought new economic and social liberties to China. I would love to see who you consider "hero".

[Guest1]

Originally posted by Salvador [email protected] 27 2004, 10:51 PM
The works are beautiful and speak of relying on the people and their needs and wants. Mao himself was a hero to the people and through his policies such as the First Five-Year Plan and the Hundred Flowers Campaign brought new economic and social liberties to China. I would love to see who you consider "hero".
Why exactly does he have to consider anybody a hero? Idolizing leadership is what has led us astray all these years, it's time we stopped worshipping bosses, rulers and gods, and began worshipping our power as free individuals working together to shatter the shackles of slavery.

[Essential Insignificance]

Yet another one.


The works are beautiful and speak of relying on the people and their needs and wants.

The work may be "beautiful", in your eyes, for which I find a little unsettling; but as you said it speaks on relying on the people- that is, to do everything for Mao himself…as for the peoples "wants" and "needs"; Mao quite simply "brushed" them off for his own.


Mao himself was a hero to the people and through his policies such as the First Five-Year Plan and the Hundred Flowers Campaign brought new economic and social liberties to China

Who’s "hero"…thoses who were impoverished, insolvent, staving, in jail, slave labour and the families of such people. I don’t think so.

The First five year plain may have brought a new economic plain; but what does that mean, does it mean that everyone was going to be fed and provided the daily substance to continue to live, and the choice of what they should do to better the the nation; no it doesn’t.

It was just another imprudence and malice; with intention, act from Chairman Mao.


I would love to see who you consider "hero".

Nobody.

[Salvador Allende]

Mao did things for the people, he encouraged criticism of the government and believed the people always had the right answers. He brought the people up from starvation by 1964 and when Liu Shaoqi betrayed him the people rose up and took over. Mao made sure none of his troops committed any wrongs and severly punished them if they did. Mao was a man of courage, integrity, knowledge and morals.

[Essential Insignificance]

Mao did things for the people, he encouraged criticism of the government and believed the people always had the right answers. He brought the people up from starvation by 1964 and when Liu Shaoqi betrayed him the people rose up and took over. Mao made sure none of his troops committed any wrongs and severly punished them if they did. Mao was a man of courage, integrity, knowledge and morals

Our history and biographies books are completely different and poles apart…I question who’s is more truthful.

[Guest1]

Originally posted by Salvador [email protected] 27 2004, 11:24 PM
Mao did things for the people, he encouraged criticism of the government and believed the people always had the right answers. He brought the people up from starvation by 1964 and when Liu Shaoqi betrayed him the people rose up and took over. Mao made sure none of his troops committed any wrongs and severly punished them if they did. Mao was a man of courage, integrity, knowledge and morals.
Please, let's modify this a little bit to show you why we disagree:

Bush did things for the people, he encouraged criticism of the government and believed the people always had the right answers. He brought the economy up from stagnation by 2004 and when Saddam Hussein threatened him the people rose up and took over in Iraq. Bush made sure none of his troops committed any wrongs and severly punished them if they did. Bush was a man of courage, integrity, knowledge and morals.

It sounds so... disturbing.

Hero-worship is something we could certainly do without. Look to the future comrade, not the past.

[Salvador Allende]

Originally posted by Che y [email protected] 28 2004, 04:29 AM
Bush did things for the people, he encouraged criticism of the government and believed the people always had the right answers. He brought the economy up from stagnation by 2004 and when Saddam Hussein threatened him the people rose up and took over in Iraq. Bush made sure none of his troops committed any wrongs and severly punished them if they did. Bush was a man of courage, integrity, knowledge and morals.
Big difference, Bush never encouraged criticism, he ignored the people, caused the stagnation in the first place, the people never rose up against Saddam, they were forced to. Bush hasn't made sure his troops have committed no wrongs.

[Essential Insignificance]

Bush did things for the people, he encouraged criticism of the government and believed the people always had the right answers. He brought the economy up from stagnation by 2004 and when Saddam Hussein threatened him the people rose up and took over in Iraq. Bush made sure none of his troops committed any wrongs and severly punished them if they did. Bush was a man of courage, integrity, knowledge and morals.

Brilliant analogy…absolutely dazzling. :lol:

[Salvador Allende]

Originally posted by Essential [email protected] 28 2004, 04:33 AM
Brilliant analogy…absolutely dazzling. :lol:
Going to respond to my counter or just ignore it?

[Essential Insignificance]

Going to respond to my counter or just ignore it?


It was not my post that you countered, but rather someone else’s; but I did make an trivial post in relation to the counter to yours, in regards to Mao and his philanthropy to all that he ruled upon!

However, I will counteract your submission in regards against, the similarity of Mao's and Bush's "politics".

Bush does encourage criticism of his governess and his "regime", like any "good democracy" of the "free world", as it gives the people a "voice", to which, they pacify themselves to, as they feel they have spoken with a "vengeance"…on a mass scale. For he knows, that this petty criticism, will lead to nothing insofar, as he has the backing to "submerge" this criticism from the bottom up.

Much the same as Mao...if you hold that contention.


believed the people always had the right answers

It’s hardly enough to "believe" that the people had the "right" answers, for "theory" and "practice", are not one in the same . However do you truly "believe" that he acted upon the people wants?...did the people not want to be fed, while Mao had house’s all over China, eating in excess.

[Salvador Allende]

Every plan Mao did was aimed at improving the people's lives. By introducing criticism he made the government more effective as it could now see what the people wanted and act upon it. When millions upon millions of people (civilians and teenagers none-the-less) rise up to take out your enemies, not because they are ordered to, but because they want to and genuinly believe in you....that is when you know you have done something right.

[Essential Insignificance]

Every plan Mao did was aimed at improving the people's lives. By introducing criticism he made the government more effective as it could now see what the people wanted and act upon it. When millions upon millions of people (civilians and teenagers none-the-less) rise up to take out your enemies, not because they are ordered to, but because they want to and genuinly believe in you....that is when you know you have done something right.

It has come apparent that your "devotion" and "admiration" for Mao is stupefying your take on reality and historical specifics; and ultimately, what really happened in China under Mao’s tyranny.

It's a shame.

[Comrade Raz]

It is important that we do not worship anyone as a hero, but i agree with Salvador Allende that Mao did many good things for China and that he is respected. I think alot of what he says in his quotations book is great. He had some good ideas, but at times fasiled to implewment them to there full in China. We must take the positives form Mao as well as negatives.

[Essential Insignificance]

Mao did many good things for China and that he is respected.

He did; he brought the bourgeoisies revolution ahead of its time in China; if he hadn’t , who knows when the weak Chinese bourgeoisie would of being strong enough to overthrow the landed aristocracy.

Maybe not till this day!