Defending the remaining Socialist States

[Comrade Hector]

Greeting Comrades! What are your positions on the remaining Socialist states? Do you believe that they should be defended from a US imperialist attack and from counter-revolution? I stongly believe it is essential for any Communist to defend the remaining Socialist states whether or not they agree with the leadership. The North Korean, Vietnamese, Chinese and Cuban Socialist states were built through a Socialist Revolution by armed workers and peasants and have made tremendous progress with a planned and collectivized economy. The reformist bureaucracy of Vietnam and China however in the recent years have taken the role of collaborating with the Western Imperialists. Their policies of reform (adopting Capitalist elements) have made a counter-revolution in both nations more immenent.

China - thrown off the Socialist road and set on the road of reformism which will eventually lead to Capitalist counter-revolution. These are exactly the polices in with Mao Tse-Tung fought against for the Chinese workers. Allowed Western investors to bring their businesses to China and products to China. Today China fully supports the US war on terrorism, and have been behind them all the way. The adoption of Capitalist economic elements have completely deformed the Chinese Socialist state. However, despite the bureaucracy it is necessary to defend China and the gains for the workers as it still posseses against counter-revolutionary drive. This also means defending China against Tibetam separatists and East Turkestan Mujahideen. The Chinese workers must revolt once again and throw off the reformist contamination before a counter-revolution may occur. We've all seen what happens to Socialist states after counter-revolution. Ironically despite the money the Chinese leadership made and is making for the west, there are many Capitalists who still condemn them. Its because of this collaboration why the Chinese leaders will not defend their comrades in Cuba, North Korea, and Vietnam against a US attack or counter-revolution.

Vietnam - another deformed Socialist state. Under Ho Chi Minh the Vietnamese people picked up arms in forty year period defeated three imperialist armies: Japan, France, and the USA. Vietnam was united as a Socialist state free from Capitalist elements until the early 1990's The bureaucracy today seeks economic aid from the USA, the same imperialists who turned their country into rubble from 1965-1975, killed over three million of their population, and forced many others into becoming refugees. The present leadership seeks investment opportunities as does the Chinese leadership and is allowing Capitalist firms to build their private businesses thereby throwing the Vietnamese working class to the Capitalist parasites. But like in China support must be maintained for the Vietnamese working class against the counter-revolutionary drive by the Vietnamese leadership, i.e defend Vietnam from the capitalist plague.

North Korea - still continues to struggle for a united Korea under the Communist banner of the North, and to rid the whole of Korea from the Capitalist parasites. It has not abandoned its struggle against US imperialism and counter-revolutionary elements. Kim Jong-Il continues to build nuclear weapons for defense of the nation his father Kim Il-Sung built. North Korea is the only one of the two capable of defending itself against a US attack. Defend North Korea's right to build nuclear weapons.

Cuba - the only Socialist state in the western hemisphere. Only 90 miles off the US coast it is the most vulnerable Socialist state to a US attack. Fidel Castro still continues the Cuban struggle against the US economic embargo for the last forty years, and defends his country from US-backed Cuban exile terrorist groups attempting to initiate and lead a Capitalist counter-revolution. The educational program, health system, industrialization, and planned economy would be lost if counter-revolution occurs and suceeds.

Again Comrades, where or not you agree with the leaderships of these states, the revolutionary gains at least should be defended. Do you agree or disagree?

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 19 2004, 09:05 AM
Fidel Castro still continues the Cuban struggle against the US economic embargo for the last forty years, and defends his country from US-backed Cuban exile terrorist groups attempting to initiate and lead a Capitalist counter-revolution.
...Which, unfortunately, involves Castro jailing (or shooting) anyone who disagrees with or speaks out against his politics.

[Misodoctakleidist]

Could you actualy provide proof of that or are you just going on hearsay?

[lucid]

I am just look forward to the day that bastard starts pushing up daisies.

[Daniel Karssenberg]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 05:02 PM
Could you actualy provide proof of that or are you just going on hearsay?
The proof's there, I think only many will reject it calling it capitalist propaganda or something similar.

I saw a documentary on North-Korea using experiments on humans in their concentration camps. That, according to the "communist" North Koreans was Western Propaganda, I'd say let me in those camps and let me see for myself.

"Proof" is hard to give when people reject proof.

[Misodoctakleidist]

I was talking about Cuba, not N. Korea. I have never seen any evidence that cuba is some kind of totalitarian police state as capitalists take for granted.

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 06:17 PM
I was talking about Cuba, not N. Korea. I have never seen any evidence that cuba is some kind of totalitarian police state as capitalists take for granted.
to·tal·i·tar·i·an ( P ) Pronunciation Key (t-tl-târ-n)
adj.
Of, relating to, being, or imposing a form of government in which the political authority exercises absolute and centralized control over all aspects of life, the individual is subordinated to the state, and opposing political and cultural expression is suppressed: “A totalitarian regime crushes all autonomous institutions in its drive to seize the human soul” (Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.).


Yeah! Everyone knows that the Cubans can do what they want. It's not like they depend on there dictato... err I mean president for food, medical care, housing, jobs, etc. They are completely in control :rolleyes:

[Misodoctakleidist]

Yeah! Everyone knows that the Cubans can do what they want. It's not like they depend on there dictato... err I mean president for food, medical care, housing, jobs, etc. They are completely in control

This just proves your ignorance, you can't actualy provide any evidence of this. You just believe that cuba must be totalitarian because thats what you've been told.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

He Chap! Doesn't your government maintain extra rules for "towelheads"?
Doesn't your government tolerate violence against everyone non-white?
Doesn't your goverment assasinate and use clandistine methodes against Communists and lefties in general?
Doesn't your government put hugh taxes on the poor and almost none on the rich?
Dude, isn't the streets of the richest country of the world, full with homeless people?

And BTW, remind me, which country is the biggest supporter of the Boycot of Cuba?

[Edelweiss]

"Defend North Korea's right to build nuclear weapons." - I smell a Spartacist! :lol:

[BOZG]

Malte,

You know that was the greatest headline the world has ever seen. I will remember that issue for the rest of my life. I have it lying around somewhere in my room.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

The problem with you people is you fail to realise the subversive nature of capitalism in suppressing your so called freedoms. That is more dangerous to me than anything else.

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 06:34 PM

Yeah! Everyone knows that the Cubans can do what they want. It's not like they depend on there dictato... err I mean president for food, medical care, housing, jobs, etc. They are completely in control

This just proves your ignorance, you can't actualy provide any evidence of this. You just believe that cuba must be totalitarian because thats what you've been told.
I worked and lived in an area that had a majority of cubans. I have heard stories from people that moved here within the last ten years. What kind of proof do you have?

[lucid]

Originally posted by Non-Sectarian Bastard!@May 19 2004, 06:34 PM
He Chap! Doesn't your government maintain extra rules for "towelheads"?
Doesn't your government tolerate violence against everyone non-white?
Doesn't your goverment assasinate and use clandistine methodes against Communists and lefties in general?
Doesn't your government put hugh taxes on the poor and almost none on the rich?
Dude, isn't the streets of the richest country of the world, full with homeless people?

And BTW, remind me, which country is the biggest supporter of the Boycot of Cuba?
Lomfao, your just as disolusioned about the US as you are Cuba. Your an absolute fool if you believe anything you said is true. Huge taxes on the poor! Hahaha you stupid, ignorant, fucked in the head fool. You obviously don't even remotely know what your talking about. Insert your head back into your ass and keep it there.

This is by far the funniest post I have seen yet.

[lucid]

Let me add that my mother in law has been to cuba 3 times. She enjoys going there to buy things and she loves the people. But she said most of them live in horrid conditions.

[Misodoctakleidist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 07:31 PM
I worked and lived in an area that had a majority of cubans. I have heard stories from people that moved here within the last ten years. What kind of proof do you have?
What miami? :lol:

Of course the people who leave cuba don't like it, that's why they left. It's hardly a representative sample.

I bet if i asked Americans who have claimed asylum in Britain they would give a pretty damning report of the US.

[lucid]

Originally posted by Misodoctakleidist+May 19 2004, 07:39 PM--> (Misodoctakleidist @ May 19 2004, 07:39 PM)
[email protected] 19 2004, 07:31 PM
I worked and lived in an area that had a majority of cubans. I have heard stories from people that moved here within the last ten years. What kind of proof do you have?
What miami? :lol:

Of course the people who leave cuba don't like it, that's why they left. It's hardly a representative sample.

I bet if i asked Americans who have claimed asylum in Britain they would give a pretty damning report of the US. [/b]
Yeah thats a good comparison. One gets on a plane and flies over and the other risks their life and floats over in a bathtub with a couple of oars.

I'd like you to try and exlain that to someone who made it over and hasn't seen their family in years. Or people that have lost their family members trying to come over. You act like they just decided to leave the Cuban paradise and just came right over. They fled a shithole country ran by an asshole dictator that came in and took control off the entire country. I think I would rather believe people that actually came from there instead of some pink pussy that gets all of his news from antiusredcommies.com.

:lol: Right back at ya, idiot.

[Louis Pio]

But she said most of them live in horrid conditions.

Now if she went into the slums in the USA she would see the same or if she went to 3. world countries. In your oppinion these people are poor because they are lazy, that's the ignorant part. Also it's stupid trying to compare Cuba with the USA, instead you should compare it with the rest of Latin America. If you do that you can see that Cuba is actually doing quite well. If you want to help the cubans you should fight for the removal of the blocade. (not that I don't think there is problems with the cuban regime)

[SgtPepper369]

Lucid... did you overlook this doozie:

"Dude, isn't the streets of the richest country of the world, full with homeless people?"

Yes... if were the richest country why are there homeless, don't you think the people with alot of money lying around collecting dust... could maybe... help ?

[Misodoctakleidist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 07:44 PM
They fled a shithole country ran by an asshole dictator that came in and took control off the entire country. I think I would rather believe people that actually came from there instead of some pink pussy that gets all of his news from antiusredcommies.com.
Most of them are economic migrants.

How exactly did Castro take control "off the entire country." Was batistsa he only person in Cuba at the time?

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 07:45 PM

But she said most of them live in horrid conditions.

Now if she went into the slums in the USA she would see the same or if she went to 3. world countries. In your oppinion these people are poor because they are lazy, that's the ignorant part. Also it's stupid trying to compare Cuba with the USA, instead you should compare it with the rest of Latin America. If you do that you can see that Cuba is actually doing quite well. If you want to help the cubans you should fight for the removal of the blocade. (not that I don't think there is problems with the cuban regime)
Pulling the famous lefty u-turn I see. Now it's not about Cuba being a utopia but Cuba just being better than the rest of central america. I don't think cubans are lazy but have just given up in trying to live comfortably. No matter what they do they will be living in bad housing with intermentent electricity and maybe running water. I think the blockade should be removed. I don't see Castro as a threat to the US and have no problem with trading. I think it would be great for the average Cuban if US citizens where allowed to vacation there and bring US dollars with them. They would definately live better. But that's capitalism and cannot be allowed. Even if it would benifit them.

[Comrade Hector]

Originally posted by Professor [email protected] 19 2004, 04:54 PM
...Which, unfortunately, involves Castro jailing (or shooting) anyone who disagrees with or speaks out against his politics.
If you're refering to the dissidents that hijacked the boat last year, it is necessary to supress such acts of terrorism. Such counter-revolutionaries must be jailed and/or executed when their behavior goes to the extreme.


I am just look forward to the day that bastard starts pushing up daisies.

Why don't you enlighten us, and tell us what exactly do you mean? Aiding Revolutionary groups like the FARC-EP to throw off their capitalist parasites? Taking greater steps to end the US embargo? Continue further resisting and refusing US policies? What?


"Defend North Korea's right to build nuclear weapons." - I smell a Spartacist!

Comrade, I'm actually a Stalinist. But I read and subscribe to their newspaper, as I have somewhat of an informal relationship with some of its members. I don't agree with a lot of their stuff, but I can't ignore their defense for the remaining Socialist states. Therefore I do agree with them in this field.


I worked and lived in an area that had a majority of cubans. I have heard stories from people that moved here within the last ten years. What kind of proof do you have?

Great proof. Cubans whom profited from the Batista regime. That says plenty of accurate proof considering they lived good lives while the workers struggled before the Revolution. What an idiot!


Lomfao, your just as disolusioned about the US as you are Cuba. Your an absolute fool if you believe anything you said is true. Huge taxes on the poor! Hahaha you stupid, ignorant, fucked in the head fool. You obviously don't even remotely know what your talking about. Insert your head back into your ass and keep it there.

This is by far the funniest post I have seen yet.

So you deny everything he said is true? Then provide some sort of pathetic but slightly accurate defense for your beloved paradise of tolerance, brotherhood, freedom from poverty, racism, and homelessness USA. Take your head out of your ass and look at the reality of the US society. Rich fucking moron!

[Louis Pio]

Lucid I haver never called Cuba for utopia. I dunno how you get that idea.

[Comrade Hector]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 07:54 PM
Pulling the famous lefty u-turn I see. Now it's not about Cuba being a utopia but Cuba just being better than the rest of central america. I don't think cubans are lazy but have just given up in trying to live comfortably. No matter what they do they will be living in bad housing with intermentent electricity and maybe running water. I think the blockade should be removed. I don't see Castro as a threat to the US and have no problem with trading. I think it would be great for the average Cuban if US citizens where allowed to vacation there and bring US dollars with them. They would definately live better. But that's capitalism and cannot be allowed. Even if it would benifit them.
This just proves the people of Cuba's resistance to Capitalist contamination of their country. They don't care about not profiting from US dollars. Have you actually been to Cuba? Did you see these living conditions? If their living standards are as poor as you described, why doesn't a counter-revolution occur?

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 07:48 PM
Lucid... did you overlook this doozie:

"Dude, isn't the streets of the richest country of the world, full with homeless people?"

Yes... if were the richest country why are there homeless, don't you think the people with alot of money lying around collecting dust... could maybe... help ?
No the streets are not filled with homeless people. Yes there are some homeless but don't twist it to look like homelessness was in the depression. You just wrong.

Most homeless in this country are drug addicts and or have mental problems. To a drug addict living on the streets and selling their body or stealing is an acceptable living as long as they can keep the withdrawals away. There are PLENTY of programs, including rehab programs, that can help people get back on their feet. Some people just don't seek help.

It's not a doozie. It's an ignorant comment made by someone that just hates the US and doesn't know anything about it.

US Department of Housing and Urban Development. (http://www.hud.gov/homeless/index.cfm)

Department of Veteran Affairs. (http://www1.va.gov/VI-WashingtonDC/page.cfm?pg=10)

US Department of Health and Human Services. (http://www.acf.dhhs.gov/programs/fysb/)
National Interfaith Hospitality Network. (http://www.nihn.org/)

Directory of National Homeless and Housing Orginizations. (http://nch.ari.net/natdirect.html)

Check out the programs in the US. (http://csf.colorado.edu/homeless/shelters.html)

Your just plain wrong.

[lucid]

Originally posted by Comrade Hector+May 19 2004, 08:05 PM--> (Comrade Hector @ May 19 2004, 08:05 PM)
[email protected] 19 2004, 07:54 PM
Pulling the famous lefty u-turn I see. Now it's not about Cuba being a utopia but Cuba just being better than the rest of central america. I don't think cubans are lazy but have just given up in trying to live comfortably. No matter what they do they will be living in bad housing with intermentent electricity and maybe running water. I think the blockade should be removed. I don't see Castro as a threat to the US and have no problem with trading. I think it would be great for the average Cuban if US citizens where allowed to vacation there and bring US dollars with them. They would definately live better. But that's capitalism and cannot be allowed. Even if it would benifit them.
This just proves the people of Cuba's resistance to Capitalist contamination of their country. They don't care about not profiting from US dollars. Have you actually been to Cuba? Did you see these living conditions? If their living standards are as poor as you described, why doesn't a counter-revolution occur? [/b]
Why didn't the Iraqis take out Saddam when he started torturing and gassing his own people? He lived like a god while they lived in filth. It's easier said than done.

So I guess that Saddams elections, that he alwasy won with %100 of the vote, proved that the Iraqi's wanted him as a lead :rolleyes:

Keep it coming, I am bored today and need the laughs.

[Louis Pio]

Why didn't the Iraqis take out Saddam when he started torturing and gassing his own people? He lived like a god while they lived in filth. It's easier said than done.


Especially when he was supported by the USA and most of the developed nations...

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 08:15 PM

Why didn't the Iraqis take out Saddam when he started torturing and gassing his own people? He lived like a god while they lived in filth. It's easier said than done.


Especially when he was supported by the USA and most of the developed nations...
That horse is dead, leave him in peace please.

We supported the lesser of two evils. I can't help it if you fail to understand why that must sometimes be done.

[Louis Pio]

So all in all you support gassing of people when it is in the USA's governments interests?
Mind you the USA had a big deal in the fundamentalists coming to power in Iran since they removed several sof left leaders by force. That's why the hate against the USA developed in Iran. Most Iranians still hate the USA, they also hate their goverment but they aren't stupid enough to think the USA would do anything good for them.

[Osman Ghazi]

His helicopters really made rebelling against Saddam a doozie.

Of course, you had a chance to take them out or at the very least warn him not to use them but did you? Why didn't you care about democracy and freedom for the Iraqi people 10 years ago? You'll fight the battle for them today, but when they tried to fight it themselves 10 years ago, you deserted them. Why was that?

[Comrade Hector]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 08:11 PM
Why didn't the Iraqis take out Saddam when he started torturing and gassing his own people? He lived like a god while they lived in filth. It's easier said than done.

So I guess that Saddams elections, that he alwasy won with %100 of the vote, proved that the Iraqi's wanted him as a lead :rolleyes:

Keep it coming, I am bored today and need the laughs.
Fidel Castro is not gassing and torturing his own people or forcing them to live in filth. It is remotely impossible to compare Fidel Castro with Saddam Hussein. But to answer your question, aside from the gassing and tortures which Saddam Hussein obtained from his former allies the USA kept the Iraqi people down. But that wasn't all, the US/UN embargo against Iraq for the last ten years before the war kept them starving, with no access to proper medication and living standards, while Saddam Hussein continued to live in luxury. There was absolutely no chance for a revolt.

You needs laughs, well so do we. Please come back, and show what an ignorant fool you are. By the way, did your mommy and daddy see Saddam Hussein as the "defender of democracy" when he was a friend of the US fighting the Ayatollah Khomeini?


That horse is dead, leave him in peace please.

We supported the lesser of two evils. I can't help it if you fail to understand why that must sometimes be done.

But the USA didn't see Saddam Hussein as the "lesser of two evils", but as a "Freedom Fighter". Such men who are beneficial to US interests must be supported no matter how brutal they may be, right? As long as they satisfy the greed of the US, they will always be pro-Democracy. Isn't that what you mean? Isn't that why the USA supports fanatics, and cuts them loose when they are no longer useful?

[fuerzasocialista]

I love the Cuban revolution. I love what it stood for and still stands for till this day. Its has greatly influenced the way I look at things. ;)


The jack-offs in Miami that call Castro a murderer and Cuba a Totalitarian state are the same leeches that were benefitting from the Batista regime. People like Lincoln Diaz-Balart whose father and grand-father were high functionaries inside of Batista's "government". Dictatorship is wrong, this is true. But Castro has stayed in power not cause of greed, but because he is a victim of circumstance. Castro steps down, U.S. invasion at the drop of a dime. But then again this is my own insight. However, having lived in Miami for some time I can honestly say with certainty that those mofos; the extremists, are a bunch of thugs and degenerates. :angry:

[Danton]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 07:39 PM
Let me add that my mother in law has been to cuba 3 times. She enjoys going there to buy things and she loves the people. But she said most of them live in horrid conditions.
Ditto, I just got back two weeks ago, I was staying with a friend and his family in Rafael Freyre.. They have no T.V, no c.d, no dvd, no car, to get to work he has to stand in the baking sun for perhaps two hours to get a ride.. But they had electricity constantly during my stay, hot and cold water, the house was bare but very clean, we eat well, naturally much rice, beans and pork, the coffee, the best I'd ever tasted, the crowded house was always filled with noise, laughter, music played on instruments.. They work their arseses off all day for no extra incentive other than self pride..

All the family were healthy, they had all their own teeth, even the ninety odd year old Abuela, they were of average weight, the children were incedibly bright and outgoing.. The point I'm trying to make is that what you probably value as wealth means nothing to Cubans, who are given what they need, they have developed a higher sense of morals and purpose.. For every Cuban who leaves, either fleeing from criminal activities or under the illusion thatlife will get better in Miami, I will give a hundred who would never, ever abandon their revolution, their Island..

Fidel is no dictator, people constantly overlook the fact that under the constitution his actual powers are severley limited, he cannot make descions without popular support.. I agreethat the authoritive nature of the goverment is undesirable but it is constant U.$ aggression that necessitates certain measures, if the Yanqui ever relents, Cuba will evolve even further into a true workers nation..

[Nyder]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 02:09 AM
The jack-offs in Miami that call Castro a murderer and Cuba a Totalitarian state are the same leeches that were benefitting from the Batista regime. People like Lincoln Diaz-Balart whose father and grand-father were high functionaries inside of Batista's "government".


So ALL the people from Cuba who live in Miami are former members of the Batista regime?

And I really love your next statement:


Dictatorship is wrong, this is true. But Castro has stayed in power not cause of greed, but because he is a victim of circumstance.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[fuerzasocialista]

So ALL the people from Cuba who live in Miami are former members of the Batista regime?



Many of them are. I didn't say all of them but then again your probably just some forum troll who likes stirring up B.S.

[DaCuBaN]

macorix - in your short stay you've certainly managed to nail that character rightly :lol: ;)


We supported the lesser of two evils. I can't help it if you fail to understand why that must sometimes be done.

That is simply not true - the US has proved it's not squeemish about simply 'taking over' when they do not like a regime. Why did they allow hussein to take power in the first place? They could easily have changed that. Given that they supported him they could have forced democratic elections as a condition for american support.

These were not 'mistakes' but decisions


That horse is dead, leave him in peace please

I agree: we all know that the US has only ever made decision based on self interest - it's the fundemental idea behind imperialist capitalism.

Left 1, Right 0

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 09:25 PM
I agree: we all know that the US has only ever made decision based on self interest - it's the fundemental idea behind imperialist capitalism.
I would hope self-interest would be behind any ideology.

[DaCuBaN]

Common interest is what lies behind Socialst ideology. The problem is trying to explain to people that you do not deserve reperation for every action you make, that money is merely a means to survive in a capitalist economy and that looking after other people isn't a bad idea, and that no person is ever beyond help.

It's really quite simple
Capitalism= fundamentalist
Socialism= good
Communism= fundamentalist

With this in mind, it's really not hard to pick an ideology ;) :rolleyes: :lol:

[Raisa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 06:34 PM

Yeah! Everyone knows that the Cubans can do what they want. It's not like they depend on there dictato... err I mean president for food, medical care, housing, jobs, etc. They are completely in control

This just proves your ignorance, you can't actualy provide any evidence of this. You just believe that cuba must be totalitarian because thats what you've been told.
Look at our choices for president. Look at our "democracy".....even when there is a third party, people are so scared to let some bastard be their president they just submit to the two party system.


Two parties, one class viewpoint.

[fuerzasocialista]

thats damn interesting.........

[SonofRage]

There aren't any "Socialist States" around to defend. Frankly, I don't know if a Socialist or a "Workers'" state is even possible. A few quotes come to mind:

Capitalist society requires the political State; accordingly, its economics translate themselves into political tenets; Socialist society, on the contrary, knows nothing of the political State: in Socialist society the political State is a thing of the past, either withered out of existence by disuse or amputated”according as circumstances may dictate.

-Daniel De Leon Socialist Reconstruction of Society

The system of production developed in Russia is State socialism. It is organised production, with the State as universal employer, master of the entire production apparatus. The workers are master of the means of production no more than under Western capitalism. They receive their wages and are exploited by the State as the only mammoth capitalist. So the name State capitalism can be applied with precisely the same meaning. The entirety of the ruling and leading bureaucracy of officials is the actual owner of the factories, the possessing class. Not separately, everyone for a part, but together, collectively, they are possessors of the whole.

-Anton Pannekoek, Workers' Councils (Part 2, Chapter 5)

[Nas]

just to let you know , many Cubans who leave Cuba, are lazy as hell, and are attracted to American welfare

damn lazy people , they know in Cuba there are jobs waiting for them but they rather live under welfare in Miami

damn, why doesnt the USA just send back all the Cuban immigrants?

and then American people get racist and prejudist when they see so many Cubans walking down the streets

fate it seems is not without a sense of irony

[Raisa]

I dont know, alot of people from Cuba who came here that I've talked to try to reject that kind of thing as much as possible and it is said alot of them vote republican.

[Nyder]

Capitalism is the seperation of economy and state.

[Misodoctakleidist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 12:05 AM
Look at our choices for president. Look at our "democracy".....even when there is a third party, people are so scared to let some bastard be their president they just submit to the two party system.


Two parties, one class viewpoint.
As Fidel Castro said; America operates the best one-party system in the world.

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2004, 10:58 AM
As Fidel Castro said; America operates the best one-party system in the world.
If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black...

[Misodoctakleidist]

Actually Cuba operates a no-party system, political parties are banned from backing election candidates and that includes the communist party.