Communism - 2004

[Subversive Pessimist]

Are we going to change the current system, where westerns count from Jesus birth? I believe it would be hypocricy if we would keep the current count... It's 2004 years ago, and communists are generaly against religion, so, I believe a new system would be interesting. Then we could use it in todays society too :)

[pyrrhassorrow]

what do you suggest? and how would the transition go? keep in mind that the current calender is used worldwide.

[The Role Of Ideology]

What on Earth would be the point?

That would probably be the most time consuming and pointless thing ever!

[toastedmonkey]

yeah, cause that will encourage people to go left for communism wouldnt it?

its just one of those things, who cares, its only weird religious people who think of it as the age of mr. j christ

no one else gives a shit

july was named after julius ceaser, he wasnt communist should we change that?

how about the alphabet? im sure whoever invented it wasnt communist we should do away with that.

its almost as stupid a suggestion as Internet Time (http://www.swatch.com/internettime/home.php)

[Subversive Pessimist]

As I said at another forum:

The point is, it is a ridicolous thing. I know it is rather pointless, but personally it is pissing me off. Why should we have pieces of religion hidden in a communist society? My suggestion, if so, would be to use a new calender beside the current, and then go gradually over. So, it would not be something very time consuming

You might think that, if a socialist revolution would ever happen in the USA, that it would not be needed to change the dollar bills (If I'm not mistaken, it says: In God We Trust).

I still believe it still would be changed.


keep in mind that the current calender is used worldwide.

We still have a lot of other calenders. As far as my memory goes, the muslims have another, and so do the hindus.

[Saint-Just]

In the DPRK they number the years Juche #. They count from the birth of the creator of the Juche idea, Kim Il Sung.

[ComradeRed]

Well, we use CE and BCE (common era and before the common era) instead of AD & BC

[Essential Insignificance]

I have contemplated this application independently myself, and had arrived at an inference.

Marx said that a ''new'' human history would commence, with the establishment of communism and I agree, so therefore if there is to be a new human history, a new foundation of time will be in order of the establishment.

Also in advance, with the suppression of public, religious practice, surely the absolute abolishment of Jesus’ birth as the beginning of our ''recorded'' time would also be expected and accepted. And I hope so.

Althought I would not alter any of the names of things as such, within the Georgian calendar.

[Eastside Revolt]

I think we should start again after the revolution. Call it the year 1 AC "after christ".

[Maynard]

I have never really thought about this. But it's not just years, the months and days we currently have, at least some of them I believe are named after pagan gods, what will happen too them ?

I think it should be considered, not now but when Communism is implemented , I believe it determines a new beginning. However the question arises, if some countries or areas implement it before others, what would happen ? I see it as useful too have a universal system, which we don't have now.

[Guest1]

I don't think we need to change everything.

The French revolution created a whole new Calendar system, it didn't really catch on. The thing is though, we can abolish the names of the months and days without messing with the dates too much.

We can just skip a century or something to symbolize the step forwards in human evolution as well as throw the imaginary birthday off wack.

This would mean no double dates, which is a big problem with switching calendars. For example, referring to the past, it would be difficult to tell which calender is being used to reference dates.

That's why a simple leap forward would be good.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2004, 09:52 PM
Are we going to change the current system, where westerns count from Jesus birth? I believe it would be hypocricy if we would keep the current count... It's 2004 years ago, and communists are generaly against religion, so, I believe a new system would be interesting. Then we could use it in todays society too :)
Pol Pot changed the calander and started from the year 0.

It only lasted a few years and it didn't catch on after the Khmer rouge were kicked out...pretty pointless if you ask me.

[Raisa]

By the time there is communism maybe our time will be the "BC" cause its primitive compared to communism. who knows?

Its not the thing to think about now.

[OverthrowtheGovt16]

I don't think that really matters, everyone uses that system for dates. A simple solution would be to do what atheists and scientists already done, to change BC to BCE and AD to CE. I think that would work better than just changing the years around, which would be totally confusing and pointless and stupid.

[redstar2000]

The subject has come up in a small number of previous threads. Major revolutions have often involved calendar reform (or at least attempts at that).

My own proposal is to add 8,000 years to the current year; this is the year 10,004 AUC -- "in the year of the city". (The rationale is that it was around 8,000BCE that the first villages in the Near East built defensive walls and created a sharp demarcation between countryside and "city".)

This removes the need for "before" and "after" dates altogether; history is "one piece" that always moves from smaller to larger numbers.

Conversion is pretty easy. Simply add 8,000 to any "AD" date for the new date. Subtract any "BC" date from 8,000 to get the new date.

The pyramids were built around 5000 AUC. Rome was founded in 7289 AUC. That pesky Jewish reformer was born in Nazareth in (probably) 7996 AUC.

The first French Revolution began in 8789 AUC. The uprising in Petrograd took place in February of 9917 AUC.

On other concerns, the week and the month both date from the time when people used a (pretty inaccurate) lunar calendar -- both could be replaced with some more sensible division(s). There's certainly nothing that should make us tolerate months of unequal length...12 months of 30 days or 10 months of 36 days plus a 5 or 6 day holiday at the end of the year would meet our needs quite adequately.

In any event, we might well dispense with the names associated with the week and the month and simply give them numbers; Firstday, Firstmonth, etc. In the "digital age", the names mean little enough and are rarely used for any purpose of consequence.

Another board member suggested a "metric time" system. A day would consist of 10 hours, each of which would consist of 100 minutes, each of which would consist of 100 seconds. A "new second" would equal .864 of a present-day second. Again, the usefulness is that time is of a piece and always moves from smaller to larger numbers during the day. (I understand that 24-hour clocks are quite common in Europe even now; there is no "1:00 PM", instead, it is "13:00".)

Traditionalists will always mount the usual arguments against such changes, of course. It's "expensive" (true). Many scientific and reference works will have to be rewritten (true). We will lose the "romance" of the old ways (very true).

There's really only one argument in favor: we will be replacing the less rational by the more rational.

That carries enormous weight with me.

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[Raisa]

Im cool with the BCE and CE replacing the BC and AD.