Come visit our obviously blatant Che-Lives ripoff!

[Ortega]

EDIT (about 2 months later):

The name change has finally come. We are now the: International Political Forum.

You can reach us at http://i-p-f.cjb.net, or, if you're in the mood for typing in a longer address, http://s7.invisionfree.com/I_P_F/index.php.

Enjoy!

[pyrrhassorrow]

What about Castro???

[RebeldePorLaPAZ]

pyrrhassorrow, you can begin work on Fidel-Lives.com :D


--paz

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

That board makes Che-lives look like Ernesto-Guevara.com :lol:

What a bunch of reformist liberal pussies!

[Individual]

Hey look!

RedZeppelin actually posted something informative and non-aggressive!


Made you look! :huh:

That is fine and dandy that you don't find this new board all to great, however notice that it is not a "Che-Lives banned b'tch board". Instead the board is more of a side project, and where is the harm in that?

Nobody is whining about Che-Lives. Nobody has made the complete move. Nobody has started a "I hate RedZeppelin" thread. Therefore I don't see where you get off denouncing it.

Is it possible for you to get off your highschool high horse for two minutes, and then realize there is life outside of your own?

I think the board has promise, and as long as it keeps itself at a higher stander than prior "rip-offs", I think it will make a good community.

Obviously it takes after Che-Lives, though has Ortega denied that? Ortega doesn't want people to "run away" from Che-Lives, nor come there to spam and lead un-intelligent conversation. I think it is great that Ortega is starting a project of his own, and I wish him the best of luck in doing so.

I don't see why you need to come out with your inane comments about it, for nothing bad has been said about Che-Lives, nor is that it's purpose. Maybe you should give it a go before you decide to speak about it.

[RedAnarchist]

Its Che-Lives' son :D

[Danton]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 04:46 AM
I don't see why you need to come out with your inane comments about it,
If someone chooses to pimp their website here then it is open to criticism, I found Redzepplin's comments informative in as much as I won't bother visiting.. If you can't handle his comments don't push your shit here...

[Ortega]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2004, 07:13 PM
That board makes Che-lives look like Ernesto-Guevara.com :lol:

What a bunch of reformist liberal pussies!
Exactly!

;)

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Bro, relax, it was a joke!
have a laugh. :lol:

[BuyOurEverything]

What about Castro???

(shocked) No! He is an evil Stalinist fascist dictator! He kills people for disagreeing with him and even eating beef!!

[Ortega]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 11:19 PM

What about Castro???

(shocked) No! He is an evil Stalinist fascist dictator! He kills people for disagreeing with him and even eating beef!!
Amen, brother!

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

First of all, read this (http://www.newhumanist.com/ca.html)
And secondly, whether or not Castro is a good leader, as a socialist you should still support violent uprising against the ruling class.

[Danton]

Originally posted by Jacobo Arbenz+May 21 2004, 06:04 PM--> (Jacobo Arbenz @ May 21 2004, 06:04 PM)
[email protected] 19 2004, 11:19 PM

What about Castro???

(shocked) No! He is an evil Stalinist fascist dictator! He kills people for disagreeing with him and even eating beef!!
Amen, brother! [/b]
You lying pair of vultures, where's the proof of this outrageous statement?

[BuyOurEverything]

I should really just give up on sarcasm...

[demonio comunista]

at the site i am now.......... TheRevolutionary. hey man if u need help with anything on the site just let me know.

[Ortega]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 07:22 PM
I should really just give up on sarcasm...
I was being as sarcastic as you were.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Sorry for that. It's just that I can never tell with all of the reformism so rampant here lately... and now this guy admits to being one. I can't handle it.

Jacobo, you're turning out to be just like your father, congratulations.

[BuyOurEverything]

Hey no problem RedZep, I completely agree, hence my post.

[DaCuBaN]

I should really just give up on sarcasm...


:rolleyes: Nawwwwwww.... I think it REALLY HELPS with the tone of debate <_< :rolleyes: :lol:

Sarcasm doesn&#39;t work? emote&#33;

[Ortega]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 11:46 PM
Jacobo, you&#39;re turning out to be just like your father, congratulations.
:huh:

How?

[Individual]

It&#39;s time for generalizations&#33; Yipee~&#33;

RedZeppelin, your turning out to be a cross between Brad Pitt and my neighbor, congratulations.

[Sabocat]

Milquetoast


A nice spot for the liberal reformists to all go hang out though. I&#39;d like to see all of that ilk leave here and go there.

Having Y2A as a moderator speaks volumes. Nicely done.

[BOZG]

Disgustapated,

Have I ever told you how much I love you? You&#39;re the man.

[Ortega]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2004, 10:45 AM
A nice spot for the liberal reformists to all go hang out though. I&#39;d like to see all of that ilk leave here and go there.
Thus the name, Camilo-Lives. Camilo, unlike Che, was a "liberal reformist."

As for having Y2A as a moderator, I don&#39;t see why not. He was a contributing member, and a leftist (not all leftists are hardcore Marxists). At the moment, he&#39;s actually not a moderator (the forum he requested didn&#39;t work out). But I&#39;d see no problem with making him one again.

[The Feral Underclass]

Stalinists and homphobes are moderating the board. Why are you even there Kyle?

Those extra buttons on your screen were enough to let you stand along side rasta sapian and elijah craig?

[Ortega]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 25 2004, 04:13 AM
Stalinists and homphobes are moderating the board. Why are you even there Kyle?

Those extra buttons on your screen were enough to let you stand along side rasta sapian and elijah craig?
Rasta Sapien isn&#39;t on the board. That&#39;s demonio communista with Rasta&#39;s avatar. And I don&#39;t know where you got Elijah Craig. He&#39;s not on the board either.

But thanks for joining.

[The Feral Underclass]

Then why is he a moderater.

EDIT: Sorry, wrong board...

[Individual]

Stalinists and homphobes are moderating the board. Why are you even there Kyle?

Stalinists, radicals, liberals, dogmatics, and shit-chatters moderating this board; yet I still manage to post here. :huh:

Joe, and everyone else, the board is open to anyone. I&#39;ve surpassed the idea that I wish to limit all of my conversation to these "real communists", and actually wish to debate on the topics other than name calling.

Again, this board is not meant to take away from Che-Lives, nor is it degrading Che-Lives. Instead the board is a side project, which will be interesting to see what happens.

Nobody is forcing anyone to join, however in return I would ask that you don&#39;t speak unknowlingly about it.

Why am I there? Well for one, Ortega is a good guy. I don&#39;t judge someone by what their father has done, or for questioning prior thoughts. I respect Ortega as an individual, and I thought I should be there for his project, as he likely would in return.

I am no hardcore Marxist as the rest of you "are". While I believe in Marxist principles, I fall under no political agenda. I believe many of you should know this by now. So label Ortega and the rest as "liberal reformists", but come to realize in the end we are all the same, and that is individuals.

If you don&#39;t wish to attend Ortega&#39;s new board, than there is no loss. I&#39;d only ask that you keep your dignity and keep it to yourself.

[The Feral Underclass]

and actually wish to debate on the topics other than name calling.

You are equally to blame for the name calling.


If you don&#39;t wish to attend Ortega&#39;s new board, than there is no loss. I&#39;d only ask that you keep your dignity and keep it to yourself.

What happened to you man?

[Individual]

You are equally to blame for the name calling.

The name calling wasn&#39;t directed at you.


What happened to you man?

This is a very good question, and quite honestly it has no answer.

I suppose that lately many of my beliefs have been put on the back burner, and a seemingly endless spiral of introspection has taken over.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 08:19 AM
The name calling wasn&#39;t directed at you.
nevertheless..


I suppose that lately many of my beliefs have been put on the back burner, and a seemingly endless spiral of introspection has taken over.

I was refering to your *****yness&#33;

[Danton]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 04:30 PM
If you don&#39;t wish to attend Ortega&#39;s new board, than there is no loss. I&#39;d only ask that you keep your dignity and keep it to yourself.
I repeat, if you whore this silly little page on here then it will duly receive the derision and contempt it deserves....

[BOZG]

To be blunt, the only real difference between Che-Lives and Camilo-Lives is traffic. Some wishy washy liberal bullshit with extra capitalism.

[BuyOurEverything]

No, it&#39;s like Che-Lives without the communists and with racists. Plus less traffic.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Che-lives doesn&#39;t pride itself in its prominence of reformist bourgeois appeasers.

I&#39;d like to think we have less liberal reformists.

[BOZG]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 12:41 AM
No, it&#39;s like Che-Lives without the communists and with racists. Plus less traffic.
Che-Lives is lacking in communists.


RZ,

Che-Lives has less open liberal reformists and because there are so many under the delusion that they&#39;re socialists, it cannot pride itself on them.

[BuyOurEverything]

Che-Lives is lacking in communists.

Maybe, but that&#39;s not what I meant. Take Che-Lives, remove the communists that there are and add racists and you have C-C.

[Ortega]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 07:55 PM

Che-Lives is lacking in communists.

Maybe, but that&#39;s not what I meant. Take Che-Lives, remove the communists that there are and add racists and you have C-C.
There&#39;s really not much of a problem with racism on Camilo-Lives. There has been one member (i.e. Baron von Misogyne) who was expressing blatantly racist views. I warned him up to 80% and told him that any other remarks of that sort would result in a ban.

He hasn&#39;t posted much since.

But I can agree somewhat with the "Che-Lives minus the communists" comparison. Camilo-Lives is made up mostly of U-P members. Very few (if any) of them are communists, or even radical leftists. I have no problem with that. The board is open to anyone, really, but the non-communists on the board are still leftists.

[Ortega]

Camilo-Lives can now be reached at http://camilo-lives.cjb.net.

[Floyd.]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2004, 04:29 PM
What about Castro???
Well he&#39;s still alive&#33; try cubagob.cu

[Floyd.]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 04:42 PM
Che-Lives is lacking in communists.
I agree, for a revolutionary ideals site there in a lot of inactivity and infighting plus too many right wing leaning people for the name of the site to be honourable, accurate yes his spirit lives, honourable considering the behaviour of certain feudal members... I think not.

[Urban Rubble]

I love how all you "real communists" get off on talking shit about another board.

So they aren&#39;t as "hardcore" as you guys, big fucking deal. We get it, you guys are hardcore, everyone else is liberal. You guys are the real communists and everyone who doesn&#39;t totally agree with Lenin is a bourgeoise liberal.

*****es.

Will one of you please tell me how "liberal" I am ? I agree with about 90% of what Marx wrote, I agree with about 5% of what Lenin wrote. I think Bakunin has his merits. I also don&#39;t think every U.S politician is a fascist piece of scum that wishes bad things for everyone on earth. Hell, if FDR was alive I&#39;d vote for him.

[Ortega]

Alright, there have been some big changes.

We&#39;re now "International Political Forum" (Y2A&#39;s idea). You can reach us at http://i-p-f.cjb.net or http://s7.invisionfree.com/I_P_F/index.php.

[Individual]

I hear they are passing out cheap M&M&#39;s and cottoncandy at the door..

No cover charge, eh? Sounds great, my thoughts exactly. Just come on through the door there and sit down..

Much better. :)

[Ortega]

Much, much better.

You dig?

http://i-p-f.cjb.net

:)

[DaCuBaN]

Special promotion on Science, Technology and Environment&#33; (http://s7.invisionfree.com/I_P_F/index.php?showforum=10)

[Palmares]

I actually think Che-Lives is a much better site. Perhaps certain sections at that site are okay, but Che-Lives is much more established.

And what is this "Not enough (real) communists here" bullshit? What the fuck does that mean? If you want to know what a &#39;unreal&#39; communist is, read the Abbie Hoffman quote I have. Being a non-dogmatic marxist or whatever shit is irrelevent.

[Floyd.]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2004, 02:27 AM
I actually think Che-Lives is a much better site. Perhaps certain sections at that site are okay, but Che-Lives is much more established.

And what is this "Not enough (real) communists here" bullshit? What the fuck does that mean? If you want to know what a &#39;unreal&#39; communist is, read the Abbie Hoffman quote I have. Being a non-dogmatic marxist or whatever shit is irrelevent.
Better is the wrong word if you mean content. Numbers communication and participation are better yes however che-lives was once also in a similar situation remember that and how many of you can say you&#39;ve been at che-lives since the start, not many. The opportunity here is to see something grow from it&#39;s birth and mature and get bigger.

Since when does Abbie Hoffman claim that that kind of encouragement is to be a communist in any way? He may of claimed to be one at some point but how does that quote relate? it&#39;s out of context.

Also the main disappointment that&#39;s felt and meant in relation to the not eoungh communists/rea communists or whatever is simply that a site that claims "CHE LIVES" as it&#39;s name should at least in theory adhere to his ideals and respect him, majority wise that is. It doesn&#39;t, it claims something it is not. That is all, we&#39;re not even putting shit on it just pointing it out and some feel let down.

[Palmares]

Originally posted by Comrade La Vista+--> (Comrade La Vista)Better is the wrong word if you mean content. Numbers communication and participation are better yes however che-lives was once also in a similar situation remember that and how many of you can say you&#39;ve been at che-lives since the start, not many. The opportunity here is to see something grow from it&#39;s birth and mature and get bigger.[/b]

I think Che-Lives is &#39;better&#39; in content because it is better established through greater communication and participation. Yes that site has the potential to be great, however I choose to spend the time I have for forums with what I find &#39;better&#39;. That is a constraint on the time I have.


Originally posted by Comrade La [email protected]
Also the main disappointment that&#39;s felt and meant in relation to the not eoungh communists/rea communists or whatever is simply that a site that claims "CHE LIVES" as it&#39;s name should at least in theory adhere to his ideals and respect him, majority wise that is. It doesn&#39;t, it claims something it is not. That is all, we&#39;re not even putting shit on it just pointing it out and some feel let down.

Originally Che-Lives was simply "The Che Guevara Page" (where the name comes from), which was simply a page about the man himself. It then matured into a site with a flourishing forum. The misconception of people who come to this forum (and infact of anyone who appears to support Che) is that Che is our &#39;God&#39; or similar. The majority of people do like or respect Che, but not as some sort of &#39;hero&#39; as such. This site doesn&#39;t pretend to be a forum "all about Che" (though the actual site itself is). It has matured from where it began. It is now a forum for leftists.

I can understand why some people might dislike Che-Lives of course. Look at the resulting socialistfront.org site. Some people have been persecuted in my belief (Stalinists, the religious left, etc).


Comrade La Vista
Since when does Abbie Hoffman claim that that kind of encouragement is to be a communist in any way? He may of claimed to be one at some point but how does that quote relate? it&#39;s out of context.

The quote relates to committment. It is similar to when Marx said theory and action were tantamount. I did not say Abbie Hoffamn was a communist and nor is the quote out of context. Being a &#39;real&#39; communist/socialist/anarchist has to do with your committment to the cause. Not by having too much/little dogmatism or revisionism, etc, but by committment. Sorry if that wasn&#39;t clear.

[Floyd.]

That&#39;s okay it&#39;s all clear now but you did make it sound as though he were a good example of an "unreal communist."

[revoevo]

http://s7.invisionfree.com/I_P_F/index.php...=384&st=0&#last (http://s7.invisionfree.com/I_P_F/index.php?showtopic=384&st=0&#last)


Originally posted by Ortega
After some e-mails back and forth, Professor Noam Chomsky (full bio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky)), one of America&#39;s premier leftist scholars and a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, has agreed to answer 10 questions from IPF. Professor Chomsky has been very busy lately, and no longer answers all personal questions as he used to. Major publications from around the world (The New York Times, for one) are vying for interviews with Professor Chomsky, so this is quite a privilege.

Questions for Professor Chomsky can be submitted here. I will pick 10 questions a week from today (assuming that over 10 are submitted, of course&#33;) and relay them to Professor Chomsky, who will then send me his answers. Please try to keep your questions concise and to the point.

:)

[revoevo]

Interview with Michael Badnarik published&#33; (http://s7.invisionfree.com/I_P_F/index.php?showtopic=497)

Noam Chomsky is on the way... :)

[Individual]

No shame, no shame whatsoever..

www.i-p-f.org (http://www.i-p-f.org)

:)