Another Israeli Attack

[Kurai Tsuki]

Israeli helicoptors have fired two missiles into the Palestinian refugee camp of Rafaa in Gaza.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I believe you, but may we have a news source?
Sounds pretty typical of those Zionist douche-bags, though.

[Kurai Tsuki]

I just saw it on BBC World News on BBC America, a television station.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Ok.
This must be it (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3723375.stm)

[Comrade BNS]

In response to Islamic Jihad's killing of Israeli soldiers earlier in the week I believe. So much for Sharon's bullshit plan of disengagement in the Gaza strip.

Comrade BNS

[pedro san pedro]

The Israeli military says the operation - which it has dubbed Operation Rainbow - is not a hit-and-run mission but will continue as long as necessary to achieve its aims.

WTF kinda name is this for the "the biggest armoured operation in the densely populated coastal strip since Israel captured it in the 1967 war"?

[RedAnarchist]

Why do the Zionist continue with their murder of innocent civilians? Theydo not have a right to kill.

Are they so blind that they cannot realize that it is their actions which cause the suicide bombings?

[Intifada]

what is going on in rafah at the moment is a war crime.

[refuse_resist]

Israel has no right to attack refugee camps, as well as the Palestinian protesters. So many kids were killed when they did that. The Likud party is the biggest terrorist organization in the Middle East, all thanks to no one other than the United States, always supporting the brutal regimes as usual.

[Che PFLP]

Why?

http://www.modon.org/uploads/post-7-1084998249.jpg

[h&s]

Why? Because Sharon wants to both stick to his "peace plan," but also to have an excuse to drop it the second his poll ratings go down.
He has worked out that by pulling out of Gaza he will please the Yanks, but by killing hundreds of Palestinians he has bought himself at least 6 months worth of Hamas attacks.
This way he can use these attacks as an excuse to go back into Gaza whenever his Imperialistic hardliners pressure him to do so.
He really is a clever genocidal maniac. :ph34r:

[il Commie]

The slaughter in Raffah continues. More and more palestinians are dieing everyday. 20,000 palestinian families were left without a roof over their heads.


http://wmh.walla.co.il/archive/107539-5.jpg


But we (the peace camp) fight back. Yesterday: demonstrations in Haifa, Jerusalem, Nazareth, Ba'ana and Tel-Aviv. The biggest was in Tel-Aviv, organized by the refuseniks. The protestors faced police violence and a group of activists was arrested.

Today there were demonstrations in Tel-Aviv infront of the security office and in Nazareth. I've been in Tel-Aviv, and again police violence have taken place. A few anarchists were beaten and arrested. In Nazareth, Muhammad Barakeh leader of the Democratic Front got into a confrontation with the cops for protecting the right of the protestors to raise the palestinian banner.

All week long Women In Black stood on street corners protesting the terrorist act in Raffah. Tomorow Ta'ayush (jews and arabs against the occupation) will demonstrate on Gaza's border. On Saturday, the Democratic Front will have a national rally in Nazareth against the war crimes in Raffah.

The protest is growing. Show your support internationally.

[Severian]

Next time somebody suggests that Palestinians should use nonviolent means, they should be reminded of what happens when Palestinians do....

[h&s]

I am a "devoted" pacifist, but I get SO angry when I see that happening to innocent people, especially when they are protesting for peace, I just want to see them kill as many of the soldiers as possible.
That is why Ghandi and Luther King were so good. However angry they got, they didn't resort to violence.
If the Palestinians had someone like them in charge, even the U$ would have to support them!

[Reuben]

why would america have to support them?

Since when was US foreign policy conditioned by morality?

America have proved this century that when their interests are threatened abroad whether it is by violent means or by peaceful means (as was the case in chile) they are willin and able to intervene in the most tyrannical of manners.

[cubist]

in honesty it makes me want to cry, i am devestated that refugee camps are being bombed, this is outrageuos,

when i think how bad the jews were treated by hitler i am disheartened when they do this to others.

FUCK AMERICA FUCK ISREAL AND FUCK RELIGION

[fuerzasocialista]

The peace plan should be quite simple; Take a bunch of Israelis and a bunch of Palestinians, arm them with whatever they want, drop them in the middle of a one mile by one mile perimeter, and let them go at it. Winner takes all. None of this Israeli striking down innocent people with missiles from a far and none of this derraned suicide bombings because they are stupid enough to think they are really going to get 72 virgins if they blow themselves up and get kill more innocent people.

[h&s]

The only way for the problem to be solved is for Ariel Sharon to be arrested under the Geneva Convention, and for the U$ to cut the $3 billion of aid they give to Israel each year and give it to the Palestinian authority.
That way the Israelis will learn that they can't get away with anything, and whenever they decide to occupy Palestine they will get an equal fight!
I would love to see the IDF decimated!

[DaCuBaN]

$3,000,000,000 or $3,000,000,000,000 ?

If the former you really should start using the word milliad

I agree with your point, but I think the most important factor would simply be the american withdrawl of support. If the US stopped showing solidarity towards Israel her enemies would start to close in.

The average isreali citizen does not deserve that either - or perhaps, by sitting back and allowing this travesty to continue they do? I cannot accept that.

[Duane]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 09:47 PM
Next time somebody suggests that Palestinians should use nonviolent means, they should be reminded of what happens when Palestinians do....
Like getting shot at by tanks?

[Severian]

Exactly, Duane.

[il Commie]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2004, 06:51 PM
The average isreali citizen does not deserve that either - or perhaps, by sitting back and allowing this travesty to continue they do? I cannot accept that.
By killing innocent civilians, a national liberation movment won't achieve anything. It will only cause the israelis to support the terrorist acts against the palestinians.

When national liberation movments kill soldiers, it's sad but it's their right to do so. Those soldiers chose to be a part of the occupation. But the innocent civilians did not.


And no, we don't just sit on our ass waiting for Sharon to find his moral-values back. There's a growing militant peace movment, along with the mass protests every once in a while.

Here's for example a report from the demo near Kisufim against the Raffah massacre:

http://taayush.tripod.com/new/20040521-picreport.html

[il Commie]

And a symbolic photo:

http://taayush.tripod.com/new/20040521-er08.jpg

[Reuben]

Originally posted by il Commie+May 23 2004, 03:55 PM--> (il Commie @ May 23 2004, 03:55 PM)
[email protected] 22 2004, 06:51 PM
The average isreali citizen does not deserve that either - or perhaps, by sitting back and allowing this travesty to continue they do? I cannot accept that.
By killing innocent civilians, a national liberation movment won't achieve anything. It will only cause the israelis to support the terrorist acts against the palestinians.

When national liberation movments kill soldiers, it's sad but it's their right to do so. Those soldiers chose to be a part of the occupation. But the innocent civilians did not.
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good points comrade

Suicide bombs are the perfect recipe for encouraging blind nationalism and class collaborationism in israeli society, for making Israelies think 'we're all in this together' when the brutalities of occupation are actually being carried out on behalf of the ruling class and a handful of religious morons with no benefits to the ordinary israeli

[Kurai Tsuki]

Those soldiers chose to be a part of the occupation. But the innocent civilians did not.

While I aggree with the moral justification of killing Israeli soldiers, they certainly did not choose to be there but were drafted.

[il Commie]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2004, 06:32 PM

Those soldiers chose to be a part of the occupation. But the innocent civilians did not.

While I aggree with the moral justification of killing Israeli soldiers, they certainly did not choose to be there but were drafted.
"I was only following orders" was not an excuse for the nazis after WW2 and is not and excuse for the IDF soldiers. Many refuse to be drafted (some go to prison, some fake mental illnesses) and many soldiers refuse to go into the occupied territories.

I admit there is a big propaganda system of the IDF, but I still believe that a person chooses whether to be a war criminal or not.

[Kurai Tsuki]

was not an excuse

As I suspsected somebody missed the point of my post. It was not an excuse but a factual correction; the moral justification to kill Isreali soldiers is irrelivent to whether they choose to be in the military.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Ill Commie out of curiousity:

What are you going to do or have you done when drafted?

[DaCuBaN]

By killing innocent civilians, a national liberation movment won't achieve anything. It will only cause the israelis to support the terrorist acts against the palestinians.

When national liberation movments kill soldiers, it's sad but it's their right to do so. Those soldiers chose to be a part of the occupation. But the innocent civilians did not.


I agree entirely - the problem lies in the fact that so many people lead insular lives, and seldom have the conviction necessary to stand up to 'Big Brother'

[il Commie]

Originally posted by Non-Sectarian Bastard!@May 23 2004, 11:56 PM
Ill Commie out of curiousity:

What are you going to do or have you done when drafted?
I don't know what I'll do. But it won't be serving in the occupied territories.

[h&s]

Lets not class all of the IDF in the same class here.
Some of them are very nice people who just want to live in peace alongside the Palestinians.
I read a story the other day of an Israeli soldier giving his wages to a Palestinian family who couldn't afford to go to a market and were starving.

[Bolshevist]

Originally posted by il [email protected] 23 2004, 08:47 PM
I admit there is a big propaganda system of the IDF, but I still believe that a person chooses whether to be a war criminal or not.
I disagree. Have you heard about the milligram experiment? or Standford Prison Experiment? That clearly shows us otherwise.

[h&s]

The ones that commit the war crimes with the most hatred do choose to be war criminals, just like people choose to be rapists, stalkers, or murderers, but those experiments did prove just how people will follow any order.

[themessiah]

Speaking in a non specific way, the victims of and survivors of INSTITUTIONALIZED GENOCIDE should have every right to defend their country. Now I might not agree with the american funding and support of this country. Or the erection of a giant berlin wall stall fence. Or really anything. But retaliatory strikes against terrorists is to be expected.

They were, as a race and members of a religion, viciously persecuted and exterminated like animals. LIKE ANIMALS. Even though they clearly are not. The difference lay in what has been done and what is being done.

[il Commie]

themessiah,

Please explain to me how come the palestinians are responsible for the holocaust? Personally I was taught that Nazi Germany was responsible for it.

Also, why do you think the palestinian terror breads the occupation and not the other way around? How does killing innocent palestinians protects israelis?

[Kurai Tsuki]

When I made this thread I only meant for it to be a headline :huh: I didn't think a conversation would spring out of it.

[Urban Rubble]

How does killing innocent palestinians protects israelis?

How does blowing yourself up on a bus of Israelis protect Palestinians ? It actually only serves to kill more Palestinians, but by proxy. Sharon kills 30 of them for every 10 Israelis.

The leadership on both sides of this issue are criminals who don't give a shit about the common people being blown up, whether they be Arabs or Jews. They don't care. They are stubborn and they are more than happy to hold out on each other for "better deals" while the peons kill each other off. There is no "good side" on this issue, and both are suffering immensley. Leftists tend to choose the side of the Palestinians because Israel is being funded by the U.S, among other reasons, which I fully understand. However, you shouldn't go too far with that support, their leadership has been just as rutheless and uncaring. We should show solidarity with all people who are being terrorized in that area, regardless of what side they are on. The people fueling this war are the people who are least likely to be affected.

[h&s]

Speaking in a non specific way, the victims of and survivors of INSTITUTIONALIZED GENOCIDE should have every right to defend their country. Now I might not agree with the american funding and support of this country. Or the erection of a giant berlin wall stall fence. Or really anything. But retaliatory strikes against terrorists is to be expected.

They were, as a race and members of a religion, viciously persecuted and exterminated like animals. LIKE ANIMALS. Even though they clearly are not. The difference lay in what has been done and what is being done.


This is just the kind of BULLSHIT that the right come up with. They feel guilty for suppporting the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Europe, so they decide that they decide that they will support the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from Palestine.
Now I don't support the suicide bombers, but when your people are killed, beaten up, and tortured every day you are going to want to do the same to your oppressors aren't you?
The Israelis also have a very dubious definition of terrorism. Attacks on soldiers are not terrorism, they are war, but the Israelis refuse to recognise this.
And retaliating against terrorists by bombing civilian areas IS TERRORISM, so therefore Sharon is a bigger terrorist than any Palestinian.

[il Commie]

How does blowing yourself up on a bus of Israelis protect Palestinians ? It actually only serves to kill more Palestinians, but by proxy. Sharon kills 30 of them for every 10 Israelis.

I never justified palestinian terrorism. I was just answering a person who said that israeli terrorism is meant for "security" reasons.