Cuba after Castro [Archive]

corruptwesterner90

16th May 2004, 13:15

Fidel Castro is now 77.When he dies what will happen in Cuba?Many people are waiting for his death to see what the events will be.I'm sure the Americans will get involved.Maybe a war may be appropriate for them?Why not kill more innocent people.Does Fidel have any Children to give the leadership.Maybe it will be like North Korea.Worshiping a dead leader! :castro:

Roses in the Hospital

16th May 2004, 14:43

It's genrally believed that his younger brother Raul will take over when Castro dies, but I still think US intervention will be inevitable, however I imagine it will be more political than military based as the US really couldn't get away with a full scale invasion because of the diplomatic pressure which they would be put under as a result. I would expect Castro already has watertight plans for the change over of power in place, perhaps not even announcing his death untill a new administration is in place, as I doubt he'd be prepared to loose in death what he's fought for in life...

redfront

16th May 2004, 15:00

Isn't Raul a bit old too?

Salvador Allende

16th May 2004, 15:13

Actually, I believe the successor is named in Fidel's will and will not be announced during his life as it could endanger them. I also believe that knowing Fidel, it will not be Raul, but some young protege who is ready to lead Cuba's new generation.

Tchuncly

16th May 2004, 19:01

i think raul will be fidel's successor...
and i've heard that Raul is more radical than Fidel :D :D

mEds

16th May 2004, 19:34

Raul Castro is much more left than Castro. But Raul is not as left as Che was back in the day.

Lefty

16th May 2004, 21:27

Does anyone know how Raul feels about the human-rights violations that have occurred during his brother's rule?

cebert

16th May 2004, 22:32

I think Cuba will function the same under Raul as under Castro. What happens after Raul is very hard to predict. I dont forsee any open US military action against Cuba. Right now and for the distant future the US will have its hands full in other parts of the world.

Does anyone know how Raul feels about the human-rights violations that have occurred during his brother's rule?

I'm sure he totally condemns human-rights violations commited by the US during his brothers rule.

VincentValentine

16th May 2004, 22:34

It tales a strong person to stand up to the americans, so many others around the world have just let the yanks do what they want.

Whoever leads Cuba, lets just hope they continue to stand up against the US.

emmissary

17th May 2004, 01:54

If you follow the news in Cuba you can see that Fidel has been easily removing himself from the leadership and sort of becoming more of a symbol. I have to agreee that Raul will probably not be Fidel's successor. Perhaps another young lawyer like Fidel himself. The US, I feel will definetly intervene.

revolutionary thinker

17th May 2004, 02:13

I read this book on Cuba and it has a chapter on Cuba after Castro and right now there are two people i forget their names that are in the running for Castro's spot. It didn't really say anything about U.S. involvement except for the fact that our hotels are waiting for the ban to lift so they can go put hotels up in Cuba.

Maynard

17th May 2004, 02:28

The speculation is that it will either be Raul Castro, Ricardo Alarcón, president of the National Assembly, Carlos Lage, Vice President of the National Assembly or Felipe Pérez Roque, the foriegn minister. I think it'll be Raul, as leader of the armed forces and symbol of "continuality", he would most likely be the choice of the national assembly. After his death though, I can imagine the next leader will start too introduce even more market reforms, like China did after Mao's death or the USSR after Stalin's.

Salvador Allende

17th May 2004, 02:52

Maynard, I pray to God (and I don't even believe in him, but I am still praying) that you are wrong and that Cuba won't sell out like Deng's China or Khruschov's USSR.

Maynard

17th May 2004, 03:06

I think we all do, you can see a trend though , with countries like Vietnam, Laos introduicing market reforms and the elected ruling party of Moldova, the Communist Party supporting the "war on terror", the Communist parties in India supporting market reform we also. It could well be wrong though, especially if there is socialist revolutions in other Latin American countries. I don't think there is a chance of Raul doing it, I was meaning after his death is when it could happen, it is who is elected after which everyone that should be wary off.

Salvador Allende

17th May 2004, 03:26

Yes, Khruschovist revisionism has reached most Communist partys. But, the few that live on will eventually win, I believe it.

BuyOurEverything

17th May 2004, 03:59

Raul is far more Marxist than Fidel. If he takes over, there certainly won't be any market reforms.

Maynard

17th May 2004, 04:22

I agree with that, after his death, since he isn't that much younger than Fidel is when they could come in. However, does anyone know of Raul's stance too different topics, is there any writings he has done ?

Comrade Zeke

17th May 2004, 06:14

Ok there are two possobilities for what will happen in Cuba,
When Fidel Dies the U.S will Launch a huge invasion of the Island to "Bring back Democracy" the Communist party and hopfully the people will launch a guerrila war against the invaders

And the other is that a member of the Communist Party will becone the New Dictator. And everything will remain normal
Zeke

refuse_resist

17th May 2004, 06:44

Of course when Fidel dies the U.S. will get involved, whether it be through an invasion or even more embargos. If the U.S. were to invade, the Cuban people would wage an all out guerilla war against them and more than likely prevail. Hopefully they already learned from the Bay of Pigs.

RED CHARO

17th May 2004, 12:08

I think it would bee close to impossibule for Cuba to introduce market reforms., Now that the U.S has placed a ban on coperations tradeing with U.S and Cuba!!!

h&s

17th May 2004, 12:58

I think it would bee close to impossibule for Cuba to introduce market reforms., Now that the U.S has placed a ban on coperations tradeing with U.S and Cuba!!!

The Americans have started to be more and more lax about their Cuban policy over the past few years, so new trade might be possible, but to do this they would have to sell out to the Americans, and if Raul gets in, that aint gonna happen!
They should have a democratic election, but ban exiles from voting or being elected. Only idiots would stand against the Revolution, as everyone knows how much better off they are now than under Batista. Then the Americans would have no excuse to persecute Cuba. :cuba: :hammer:

VincentValentine

17th May 2004, 13:52

I dont think so Mr hammer&sickleforever.

It was only about a week ago I read on bbc news that bush has said he is spending someing like 35 million dollers to help bring "democracy" to Cuba.

corruptwesterner90

17th May 2004, 15:10

Why oh why does Bush think he runs the world.
The greatest president to be elected by the supreme court

Salvador Allende

18th May 2004, 02:51

just because someone claims to represent you, doesn't make you a democracy. The only democracy in the US occurs during a small time period of a few months during voting. Other than that, the US can't even be called a democracy, because that would imply the people get a say.

fuerzasocialista

18th May 2004, 04:31

U.S. intervention in Cuba after Castro passes maybe perhaps inevitable but whether it would be successful in displacing the island's political climate is another story.

fernando

18th May 2004, 07:42

The US would try to put some dictator there, maybe some Batista like figure, if so I hope the Cubans will put up a good fight, and that many guerillos from other Latin American countries will help. I would gladly pick up a rifle and join the strugle of the Cuban people then!

PATRIA O MUERTE!!! (eventhough Im not Cuban, I believe in a great and united Latin America)

h&s

18th May 2004, 09:37

Concerning US policy on Cuba, maybe I have been reading the wrong news (I did read it in the rag the Daily Mail).
But I think that there is no chance that the US Imperialists can do anything to Cuba that could ever be a success.
I admit that parts of Cuba are as corrupt as America, and if you have dollars you can get anything, but the people of Cuba have had a vote within the last year about the revolution, and they unanimously voted that the revolution should last forever. I don't know how much of that vote was rigged, but I just can't see the people bowing down to the Imperialists. And if the US do invade, somehow I think more than the anti-Iraq war demonstrators will march all over the world.
America is too capitalist to invade Cuba - do they really want every McDonalds in the world to be burnt to the ground?
Anyway, if it does happen I'm buying myself an AK and a flight to Cuba!

fuerzasocialista

18th May 2004, 14:47

I agree with Fernando.

RED CHARO

18th May 2004, 14:53

The Bush government has placed further sanctions on Cuba;
Including a ban on corporations and Individuals tradeing and Investing in Cuba. If some one is found tradeing with Cuba they will bee barred from tradeing with U.S.A, thus damageing Cubas growing tourist economy and any other mayor projects that need foreign investmeny.
Also Cuban Americans are going to bee retricted in the money they send back to relatives in Cuba (*thus damageing a mayor source of income to many people in Cuba). Also travel restrictions and how much money they can spend in Cuba.
The Bush people have also offered to donate large sums of money to the Mami mafia to continue damageing attacks on Cuba.
All this is being implemented to strangle the Cuban people into submishion to U.S rule and apparently violates many laws. I don't have any links to these new sanctions , but I'm sure someone on this site would.

Danton

18th May 2004, 15:15

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 09:27 PM
Does anyone know how Raul feels about the human-rights violations that have occurred during his brother's rule?
What violations?

fuerzasocialista

18th May 2004, 15:16

I lived in Miami for 2 years and trust me that nothing good comes out of those Miami Mafia mofos.

mEds

18th May 2004, 16:41

Miami is one of the finest cities for cuban culture, food and atmosphere ;) All the beautiful people too!

fernando

18th May 2004, 16:44

They are traitors anyway, well maybe not all of them, but many of the Cubans in Miami are pro-Batista US lapdogs...TRAITORS!!!
Like that ex CIA Felix Rodríguez, the one who was there with the capture of Guevara, that traitor dog...I read somewhere that he lives in Florida of Miami...Im curious why he is still alive...

DEATH TO THE TRAITORS!!!

PATRIA O MUERTE!!!

pyrrhassorrow

18th May 2004, 16:53

The U$ is definitely planning something. As I said in another topic...that's why they took Haiti. Now they are surrounding Cuba. I have also heard that Raul is next in line and that he is a hardcore Marxist. We talk about whether or not the U$ will invade but more importantly...what will we do about it? I'm not saying we should all get guns and go to Cuba but what sort of resistance are we as Leftists going to put up? I don't think the rallies and speeches will be enough. Someone mentioned burning every McDonalds to the ground. Will there be an internal resistance to the imperialist countries?

fernando

18th May 2004, 17:08

Well it is a tactical dumb thing to post what kind of actions are planned inside enemy territory when they do invade our Cuban comrades.

However I hope there are groups forming in the Western world of Latin American youths (or older people, but for some reason I think the youth might have more spirit)

Im not sure if Latin America groups would attack US/capitalist targets in the Western World. Im even curious if these kind of groups even exist in Western Europe for example...

pyrrhassorrow

18th May 2004, 19:52

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2004, 01:08 PM
Well it is a tactical dumb thing to post what kind of actions are planned inside enemy territory when they do invade our Cuban comrades.

However I hope there are groups forming in the Western world of Latin American youths (or older people, but for some reason I think the youth might have more spirit)

Im not sure if Latin America groups would attack US/capitalist targets in the Western World. Im even curious if these kind of groups even exist in Western Europe for example...
My point was that nothing is being done. We're all talk.

fernando

18th May 2004, 19:57

that is our problem...we just sit here and talk...

I want to finish my school and then be able to travel to South America, travel through the continent and see more of it, and also spend some time in Cuba.

socialistfuture

19th May 2004, 11:01

Earlier this year I met a man from Cuba - he was confident about the Future of Cuba.

He was travelling around doing speeches about Cuba. I asked him what will happen to Cuba after Fidel, he said that there are many young people who have had the learning, training and beliefs to defend Cuba and take it into the future. He mentioned names (sorry my memory isn't that good) he refered to the pay of pigs (bay of pig.. he called it :rolleyes: ).

Personally I fear some Miami Cubans, people in Cuba oppossed to the regime, those who are fine either way, American Dollars, and American might/lawyers,hawks etc. will do damage after Castro dies. Maybe not through a direct invasion but by other means. Who knows.

I would possibly go there and take up arms to defend Cuba if there was an attack and that is coming from a pacifist in New Zealand. I know Cuba is not perfect, there have been mistakes - but Cuba is NOT an american colony! I feel for those who live in Miami for whatever reasons who hardly see there Cuban relitives and are away from their homeland.

In the end we can hope for the best, and do our part to defend the dream of jose marti.. che, fidel and all those who fought for Cuba. Solidarity for our brothers and sisters in Cuba - together we can forge a new world !

fernando

19th May 2004, 13:00

I think Cuba should have even better relationships with Venezuela, since they are on the brink of a potential socialist revolution.

Chavez might be able to help Cuba after Castro, Im not saying that Chavez should have power there, but better coorporation between these countries could be usefull.

moncadista

19th May 2004, 13:17

i think lots of you don't give due credit to the cuban political system. i do not believe raul will succede fidel, the cuban political system is too advanced to dip into a torent of nepotizem(spelling). i think a likely candidate for the presidency will be the cuban ambassador to canada (i cant remember his name) simply because canada is one of cuba's largest trading partners, and only someone high up and trust worthy would end up as the ambassador to canada. this is just my opinion, but it definitly seems likely. this or a "governing council" (to borrow a term from the americans) will be established. with a council consisting of top ranking members of the party, and distinguished cubans.

any thoughts?
Brendan McGrath-Potter

h&s

19th May 2004, 14:18

Well whatever does happen, the U$ won't get away with it. The people of Cuba won't stand for any of it.

Im not sure if Latin America groups would attack US/capitalist targets in the Western World. Im even curious if these kind of groups even exist in Western Europe for example...

I'm not necesarily talking about Latin American groups. A few years back on mayday all the McDonalds on the route were left with smashed windows. It is these people I think would protest against the policy.
Anyway, the U$ would never dare to do any military operations, as they couldn't even make up an excuse.
Hasta La Revolucion! :castro: :che:

emmissary

19th May 2004, 16:22

The U$ doesn't need a reason to invade, they'll just make something up like saying Cuba has weapons of mass destruction. I know one thing, that as leftists we must support the solidarity of our Cuban brothers and sisters.

fernando

19th May 2004, 23:24

Originally posted by hammer&[email protected] 19 2004, 02:18 PM
Well whatever does happen, the U$ won't get away with it. The people of Cuba won't stand for any of it.

Im not sure if Latin America groups would attack US/capitalist targets in the Western World. Im even curious if these kind of groups even exist in Western Europe for example...

I'm not necesarily talking about Latin American groups. A few years back on mayday all the McDonalds on the route were left with smashed windows. It is these people I think would protest against the policy.
Anyway, the U$ would never dare to do any military operations, as they couldn't even make up an excuse.
Hasta La Revolucion! :castro: :che:
First of all ,the US doesnt need an excuse.
Secondly, the US could do something more sneaky than a militairy invasion, maybe some CIA agents or train more Cuban Terrorists in Miami (those fucking traitors!).

elbolao23

20th May 2004, 00:28

what tha hell is wrong with you people why are you thnking that Fidel has a will or anything like that, cuba is not a dynasty where the rulers can only be family or close friends , what tha fuck is that, there should be elections not just some guy that fidles wants to put. Don't you want cuba to be a democratic/communist country, i do, i don't want another dictatorship in cuba for another 45 fucking years. I wish everyday fidel would day so my family in cuba would be free and not scared to express thei opinions without fear of going to jail.

revolutionary thinker

20th May 2004, 00:35

The other night i caught a little news blurb on Castro on CNN and it said his doctor said he is in perfect health and he continues his daily excercise of swimming and running and he will live to be 140 yrs. old hahahha

h&s

20th May 2004, 09:50

Nas

20th May 2004, 22:00

I wont let Cuba go back to the way it was. :hammer:

elbolao23

21st May 2004, 00:25

[QUOTE] it said his doctor said he is in perfect health and he continues his daily excercise of swimming and running and he will live to be 140 yrs. old hahahha

yeah right, that man is dying and does not even knows it, man he shakes when speaking some times it dosen't even make sense what he says, like 1 ago he was asking the producer of the "mesa redonda" a show where all they do is talk crap that dose'nt allowe the kids to watch some cartoons becuase they put it on the only 2 freaking channel.............well not to depart form my topic, he was asking the guy how many provinces did Cuba had when He was the one who divded cuba into 14 provinces. thats just one of the many things he has done. Plus do you really think a 76 -78 year old man like him who the only thing he does is torture his people can run and swim thinking of all the things he has committed, please, like they say in cuba, ese viejo no puede ni con su alma,.For you'll that don't speak spanish get a translator in google and find out the meaning.

DaCuBaN

21st May 2004, 02:09

"that old one cannot nor with its soul"

I think an indirect translation may be necessary :rolleyes:

emmissary

21st May 2004, 02:26

loosely translated:
that old guy cant even handle his own soul....

Maynard

21st May 2004, 02:28

man like him who the only thing he does is torture his people runs and swims
That's a rather bizarre claim, he tortures, runs and swims. First off, I don't think Fidel has personally tortured anybody, secondly I haven't seen much evidence of the Cuban government torturing anybody, either. I understand that you don't like Castro but let's stick to the facts, rather than simply just trying to dehumanise him.

Thats what I'm saying (apart from having family there), there should be a democratic communist government
From what I know, Cuba held one in 1998, it's validity can be disputed though. However, to say that Liberal democracy is "democratic" is, in my view, not correct. Cuban democracy is different and just because it is, doesn't make it less democratic, you can read about it here:
http://www.newhumanist.com/geiser.html

Anyway, the U$ would never dare to do any military operations, as they couldn't even make up an excuse

It doesn't necessarily have too be a direct intervention, it could be done Venezuelan or Haiti style. It will however, remain more difficult in Cuba but the United States knows when Fidel dies is their best chance for the hopes of having a government which is favourable to the United States politically and economically, much like most of Latin America is now.

fuerzasocialista

21st May 2004, 03:49

h&s

21st May 2004, 09:06

if there is something that world history has shown us, its that every empire; no matter how large or small, falls. The US will not be different. But you better believe that when it collapses, it will want to take as many countries down with it as possible. I think we are seeing the prelude to that now.

Yeah, so true!
You know, the same guy that predicted the downfall of the USSR 20 years ago and was rubished for it is now predicting the downfall of the U$!
Sooner rather than later, I hope! :hammer:

RevolutionNow

21st May 2004, 20:10

Im gonna take a different approach to this. I believe that it depends on what political party is in power during the time of Fidels death. If the democrats are in power then their will be no invasion, but if the republicans are in power then their will definatly be a U.S. invasion of some sort. And for thos of you that say that they will be to afraid of the international relapse this will cause, just look at the war in Iraq the Republicans don't give a damn what the U.N. has to say.

elbolao23

22nd May 2004, 02:05

From what I know, Cuba held one in 1998, it's validity can be disputed though[QUOTE]

a democratic election, please, you call a democratic elcetion where the only person in the ballot is fidel castro, in cuba there is no political parties, you can't just run for president when you want. does that looks like a fucking democratic country where freedom of speech, assambly, press and religion are violated, does that seem like a fucking democratic country to you, please, think about it. everybody knows that fidel is a DICTATOR under all the meanings of the word

DaCuBaN

22nd May 2004, 05:43

the Republicans don't give a damn what the U.N. has to say

This is absurd - The democrats don't give a damn what the UN say either. They know that if all else fails they have the veto to fall back on, which means that the UN can never touch them.

The democrats would invade - they would push this whole 'liberation' argument that the republicans are trying to do for iraq - the only difference is because of their name they would probably get away with it

Don't mistake the democrats as socialists :rolleyes:

Yazman

22nd May 2004, 07:34

moncadista, I think you're right. I have spoken to Cuban people before and they tell me that Carlos Lage will come into power, but then the cuban ambassador to Canada does seem quite likely. I think Raul Castro could also be a good leader, but it may not be a very good choice as even if the people of Cuba elected him, the US would simply use it as an excuse to invade.