The Curse of Chrisitanity

[Comrade Zeke]

I support Religion because we need it but I don't support all of them

I am sorry to all the Christians here but I just got to say it......No offense

Jesus was a pot head.....that is all he way in the words of Redstar he was country preacher who tryed to start a rebellion agianst the most powerful empire on earth. Ok he was a nobody intill his apolsyals spread his ingissignficant death throguh out the world. Ok he didn't heal people with the "Light of god" and he didn't rise from the dead! That is impossible! 4,000 years latter his stupid religion has wipied out more people then most wars combind! Chrisitanisty has wipied out more Pagan Religions then I can count......my Pagan religion was wiped out with the demise of the Roman Empire!
Ok Christianity is the biggest religion in the world and it is the most fucked up....people give "Spakings" to there kids Catholic Priests rape little boys and you can't have an abortion without the Catholic Church saying something and these protestest Baptists and Angilicans are all crazy they think everything is evil except god and there "Imedeate church family" It all sickens me, the world should go back to Paganism at least then you would worshiping in the privacy of your own home

What do you think about Christianity??

So sorry about spelling
Zeke

[mEds]

Spelling? Don't you mean typing? If you cannot spell than you are a moron. If you can't type your either: a someone who values typing faster than accuracy or b. poor keyboard skills! So don't be harsh on yourself! Say you can't type!

[Gunman]

Well, i think that Christianity is one of the many religions that exist actually. But i also think that Christianity its a very imperialistic religion, thing that i dont support. So, I agree in part that Christianity has caused more deaths than most wars combined, but the part of Jesus being a pothead... I doubt it. I think that his disciples rather used his name to gain fame, support, power, etc...

[ComradeRed]

I completely agree with Jesus; but imho, every western religion (viz. judaism, islam, christianity, et al) is the same! Slight variants of the same religion!

[mEds]

Comraderad is fairly accurate in his statement. If people would only use the morals of religion instead of proselytizing and discrimination. :/

[Comrade Zeke]

Paganism is the way to go.....The only good Chrisnity or Islam did for anyone was educate people and help starving people like me and my mom.

sorry about spelling
Zeke

[James]

Jesus was a pot head.....that is all he way in the words of Redstar

Come again?


he was country preacher who tryed to start a rebellion agianst the most powerful empire on earth.

Come again?


Ok he was a nobody

Not true - if he was a nobody - howcome he was crucified for simply what he taught? He was extremely significant.


intill his apolsyals spread his ingissignficant death throguh out the world.

What are you refering to exactly?
But you have an interesting point here. When he was crucified: all his few followers ran. Howcome it is now the biggest religion in the world?



Ok he didn't heal people with the "Light of god" and he didn't rise from the dead! That is impossible!

Once we "knew" the earth was flat.
Once we "knew" that flight was not possible.
I imagine the concept of a car once seemed impossible.

You say you are a pagan - what sort of pagan?


4,000 years latter

Surely you mean around 1,968 years?


his stupid religion has wipied out more people then most wars combind!

Come again?
His religion is his message - his message hasn't killed anyone. Infact, his message is one of saviour. Rather ironic eh?

You mean that people have killed many; acting in "the name of" christianity. Well i'm sorry, but you can't blame christianity for this. People have a free will. Also these actions are usually going against christian teachings.

Highlight parts of the bible which you feel have killed - or even inspired people to kill.

[Dune Dx]

"who tryed to start a rebellion agianst the most powerful empire on earth"

what are you talking about he didnt try and start a rebelion " give to God what is rightfully his and give to Ceasar what is his" "respect those in authority over you"

"Ok he didn't heal people with the "Light of god" and he didn't rise from the dead" lets not get into the petty argument of yes he did no he didnt because you cant proove them either way but just to provoke your mind why do you think the pharisees wanted Jesus dead if he didnt go around getting peoples support by healing people while he was alive. If he didnt rise from the dead then why does Roman literature tilt towrds the fact that he did, why couldnt they find his body and how was the stone rolled away.

You are ok with Pagan religions that have been responsible for human sacrificing and mutilating of enemies.

Zeke are you from primary school or something

[Wiesty]

Ok then i guess all this jesus talk and pictures and books and other of millions of items over the past 2000 years have just been a hunk of bull shit

Comrade you are 1 out of 8 billion people in this world.
i forget the statistics but its like 56 percent of the world are all christian

[Comrade Zeke]

Come again?
His religion is his message - his message hasn't killed anyone. Infact, his message is one of saviour. Rather ironic eh?

You mean that people have killed many; acting in "the name of" christianity. Well i'm sorry, but you can't blame christianity for this. People have a free will. Also these actions are usually going against christian teachings.

Highlight parts of the bible which you feel have killed - or even inspired people to kill.

God is a very jelous god havn't you heard! lol. Thou shalt not worship false gods the Christians have wiped out thousands of people just because they wouldn't worship one god, Jesus preached the message to only worship ONE GOD. That is wrong in my view. The Spanaids wiped out millions of Aztecs, The Catholic burned thousands of Drudic Lore in Ireland just because the Druids were Pagans who just wanted to be left alone! I can name more.

I am a Greek Pagan James that is why I am deffending the Roman Empire who spread Greek Paganism thoughout its empire for 200 years.


what are you talking about he didnt try and start a rebelion " give to God what is rightfully his and give to Ceasar what is his" "respect those in authority over you"

God does not own Isreal Come to think of it the Isrealites did not either they stold it from the Cannadianites and the Phonecians. The Romans came to to Isreal and gave it back to the Cannadianites and put the Jewsih Kingdom to the torch. And Illegal Kingdom that had no right to exsist. Although the Romans did kill inosenct Jews and Jesus I beilive it was justified. Jesus tried to form a rebellion not out of any political views but just because he loved his god so much. The Roman Empire was a corrupt imoral thing but who would think that a little place like Isreal would become such a big place in the world over the 1,429 years to come.



You are ok with Pagan religions that have been responsible for human sacrificing and mutilating of enemies.

Zeke are you from primary school or something

First of not all Pagan Religions were "Blood Sacrifice" second off Pagan Relions of the old days never tryed to convert people or beilive that other people's religions were wrong. If you did research on how many people the Christians have killed just to get people to be Christians.
And there is four diffrent kinds of school in America, Elemtary, Intermeate, High School and then College. I am in Intermeate.


Comrade you are 1 out of 8 billion people in this world.
i forget the statistics but its like 56 percent of the world are all christian

There are accully 6 billion people :)
and the Statistics for Religions:
I look this up in the Guiness book of world records
32.9% Christians, 17% Roman Catholic over 2 billion people are Chirstians
There are 1.2 Billion fallows of Islam making that around 29% to 28%
Hinduism which is a PAGAN RELGION! has 1.05 billion fallowers.
Then comes Juddisim with 5 million fallowers
Then Buddism with 3 million
Then Neo Pagan at 1 million which I am
Aeithest are the rest of the world's population

sorry about spelling
Zeke

[BuyOurEverything]

Ok then i guess all this jesus talk and pictures and books and other of millions of items over the past 2000 years have just been a hunk of bull shit

Yes they are, and while we're on the topic, care to explain why all the pictures of 'Jesus' show a white guy with blond hair and blue eyes?

[Funky Monk]

Because Western people wouldnt be able to follow a religion about an arab messiah. But that has nothing to do with the religion, merely its presentation in different countries.

I think the Muslim idea of no pictures is much better in that respect.

[BuyOurEverything]

Yes, you're right FM. Actually his name wasn't even Jesus to begin with, I was just responding to Weisty's bizarre logic.

[James]

God is a very jelous god havn't you heard! lol. Thou shalt not worship false gods the Christians have wiped out thousands of people just because they wouldn't worship one god, Jesus preached the message to only worship ONE GOD.

Yes - but did Jesus go around killing all the pagans?
No
Its a religion based on free will - you don't have to be christian at all.


That is wrong in my view. The Spanaids wiped out millions of Aztecs, The Catholic burned thousands of Drudic Lore in Ireland just because the Druids were Pagans who just wanted to be left alone! I can name more.

And each of these forces themselves had persecuted and murdered the previous resident cultures.
I think this is more of a realpolitik thing.
Spainaids - looking for gold. They didn't go there just to destroy everyone else's god.
Catholics in Ireland - well in fact this is where celtic christianity comes from. You'll note that it is very different to eastern christianity. The celtic culture was absorbed. e.g. the celtic cross.



I am a Greek Pagan James that is why I am deffending the Roman Empire who spread Greek Paganism thoughout its empire for 200 years

What?
The roman's tried to destroy british paganism - they forced it back into north wales. You are supporting the expansion of YOUR religion - but not others?

A greek pagan? Can you be a little more specific?


Although the Romans did kill inosenct Jews and Jesus I beilive it was justified.
Eh?


Jesus tried to form a rebellion not out of any political views but just because he loved his god so much. The Roman Empire was a corrupt imoral thing but who would think that a little place like Isreal would become such a big place in the world over the 1,429 years to come.


I'm not sure what your argument is here.
Jesus didn't try to form a rebellion in the slightest. He said you should submit to the authorities. And he DID - and sacrificed his life.


First of not all Pagan Religions were "Blood Sacrifice" second off Pagan Relions of the old days never tryed to convert people or beilive that other people's religions were wrong. If you did research on how many people the Christians have killed just to get people to be Christians.
And there is four diffrent kinds of school in America, Elemtary, Intermeate, High School and then College. I am in Intermeate.


not all christians did what you talk about. Infact, i'd argue that they wern't in fact real christians.
Pagan's have only recently taken the line that they don't even claim to be correct - they arn't in the position to do so.
Christianity is a religion based on Jesus Christ. Did Jesus kill ANYONE to convert them? Christ was arguably a pacifist.

[Comrade Zeke]

Catholics in Ireland - well in fact this is where celtic christianity comes from. You'll note that it is very different to eastern christianity. The celtic culture was absorbed. e.g. the celtic cross.

Yes I know this, that doesn't change the fact that thousands of years of litture and culture were destoryed just because the Druids didn't worship one god, I ask you why couldn't both cultures live in peace! The Druids have a little of Ireland the Catholics share some? I guess people were just stupid back then....Christians are expasioists! (I want to move to Ireland not because their Catholics just because I want to revive the Pagan faith and live in that kind of setting rainy and foggy)


The roman's tried to destroy british paganism - they forced it back into north wales. You are supporting the expansion of YOUR religion - but not others?

I need proof of this all the Celts in the empire could worship freely as far as I know.
And if they didn't they still could carry on there previous lifes as Celts when the Christians came they make everyone like them and make them try to love god!
Greek Pagan as I worship Zues, Posiden, Hades, Apollo all of the Olympians
If you must know.
[
QUOTE]
I'm not sure what your argument is here.
Jesus didn't try to form a rebellion in the slightest. He said you should submit to the authorities. And he DID - and sacrificed his life. [/QUOTE]

Look he never sacrficed himself. Peter betrayed him and gave him up to the Romans because he was instugating trouble against them. Ok He didn't die because of our sins he died because the Romans caught him and sentenced him to death. Crucification was there long before Jeus's time it was a comman punishment it was the Roman's traddiotion to Crucifie. They could have just as eaisly got a blade and stab him in the ribs. It wouldn't have been a big deal if they had just assinatmed him. He healed people sure but I don't think he cared too much about people. He thought God was suppioer to everyone.....in my religion the Gods althouhgh imortal work with humans and help them, I consider myself eqaul with my great lord and lady Zues and Hera. They probally think of me the same way because I am one of their few fallowers. Ok Jeus probally secreatly wanted to become a KING we don't know Jesus thoughts for all you know Jeus was a greedy Merchant who healed people for a Price! The Bible is great history but alot of it is proganada. I don't want to dis Jeus he was a great guy but.....we really don't know the exact accounts alot of it could be pure fansty created by the Jewish people to make it seem like he was greater then he accully was. Same with my gods........I dout all this Greek Mytholgy is true but I do beilive that something or a bunch of Somones are watching over me. I like that I have a matter of choice between diffrent gods not just one boring menautnes god. The Virigin marry I greatly admire though for she I beilive was renecarnation of some other imortal being. Jesus could have been out there to help people for god, or he could be a scamer Capitalist of his days. Not that the romans were better they were corrupt. The Soliders who crucfied Jesus were not "EVIL" they were getting told by the Empoeoer and the governer of Judea to kill Jeus because he was a threat. This Pasion of the Christ Movie ads to all the Proganda that Jesus died for us. How could he have died for us he didn't know we would be born 1,550 years latter? He was a Jew himself he was probally only thinking of the JEWISH PEOPLE not others! All other Pagans were probally Satan worshipers! The Romans were the worst in Jeus's mind he was thinking that they were enslaving the Jews.

JEUS DID NOT CARE ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE AS MUCH AS GANDI or the DALI LAMA


Pagan's have only recently taken the line that they don't even claim to be correct - they arn't in the position to do so.

Did the Hindu sacrfice things for their Gods?? God sake man they worship cows they would never kill anyone! Many Pagans have sarfices but they have stoped fallowers of Wiccan don't do it, I don't it, Shamans don't do it!


Christianity is a religion based on Jesus Christ. Did Jesus kill ANYONE to convert them? Christ was arguably a pacifist.

Yes Jeus was a Pacifist....for the Jews he probally thought the Romans were bloodthirsty monsters. He was Human after all. Just like Mohhmad or Abarham. Abarham only care about the Jews and cursed the Egyptians, and others. Mohhmed was ressponsible for the Arab empire comming to power, just like the Roman empire through war of conquest.

On my final argument
I respect Jeus for healing people....but how do you know that he didn't have some other end besides "God"
I am not dising your religion I am saying that thanks to Jeus started his preaching his one god religion has killed millions of people, converted others, kept people below it in the middle ages, controled the government not the people. Pass laws the divore and aboration should be illegal. Their preists rape little children and the really Fantic christians say "Thank you Jeus" every second of the day. Pagans healed people (are still healing them) Helped the anciet cities that were once Pagan florurish and prosper and created the two most powerful empires the world has ever seen Alexander the Great's empire and Rome. Some others includde the Aztec and Mongol empires. They made calenders, consulded people, they didn't go out and kill people just because they wouldn't worship their gods, Pagans are in touch with their gods they go into deeper secrets of the world, Pagans were the ones who invted Stone Hedge, build the Pyrimds, Started great universtitys, Gave Dream quests to people. Build the great wall of china, care for the Earth's plants and animals.
Christianity thanks to Jesus has become a monster that takes over the world every second of the day. Both Islam and Christianity are duking it out in the Deserts of Iraq. It sounds like the Crusades all over again! How Pathtic if Jesus was really a pasfist and he really had magical powers couldn't he look into the future and see how bad his religion had become??? Humans didn't become bad because of Jeus some are natturally wicked and mean, but Jeus should have know what would happen so he would have never started it in the first place


SO SORRY ABOUT THE SPELLING :)
Zeke

[Dune Dx]

God is a very jelous god havn't you heard! lol. Thou shalt not worship false gods the Christians have wiped out thousands of people just because they wouldn't worship one god, Jesus preached the message to only worship ONE GOD. That is wrong in my view. The Spanaids wiped out millions of Aztecs, The Catholic burned thousands of Drudic Lore in Ireland just because the Druids were Pagans who just wanted to be left alone! I can name more.
and Stalin killed thousands, just because a man says hes a christian doesnt make him so just becuase a man says hes a communist doesnt make it so.

I need proof of this all the Celts in the empire could worship freely as far as I know.
You do realise that the roman Empire tried to wipe out Druids in Britain because they posed a threat to the empire, In some instances whole armies where used to wipe out druids.

Look he never sacrficed himself. Peter betrayed him and gave him up to the Romans because he was instugating trouble against them.wrong again Judus betrayed Jesus for some gold and silver then when he realised Jesus was God hanged himself. Peter just denied Jesus three times as Jesus predicted he would.

Ok Jeus probally secreatly wanted to become a KINGWrong again the Jews wanted to make Jesus their king so if he had wanted to do so it would of been quite easy.

I could go on but i have to go to school so I leave it till another time to argue with you

[James]

Yes I know this, that doesn't change the fact that thousands of years of litture and culture were destoryed just because the Druids didn't worship one god, I ask you why couldn't both cultures live in peace! The Druids have a little of Ireland the Catholics share some? I guess people were just stupid back then....Christians are expasioists! (I want to move to Ireland not because their Catholics just because I want to revive the Pagan faith and live in that kind of setting rainy and foggy)

they merged into one mate. Those who didn't want to, didn't. You could probably still find some pagans in ireland.
lol - just come to England! we get more than enough rain!


I need proof of this all the Celts in the empire could worship freely as far as I know.
And if they didn't they still could carry on there previous lifes as Celts when the Christians came they make everyone like them and make them try to love god!
Greek Pagan as I worship Zues, Posiden, Hades, Apollo all of the Olympians
If you must know.

Well you don't know much then. They were pushed back to the island of Anglesey.

[Funky Monk]

Looking at it from a purely religious level all selfless practitioners should try to spread their faith.

There are two basic factors to this theory.

1) You recognise that your faith is the true faith and that all others are therefore false (True of every religious believer)

2) As is the case in most religions only believers can pass into the acceptable afterlife and save their soul from an eternity of damnation.

Hence from a religious believer's point of view conversion is a truely selfless act as it secures someone's soul for eternity. Thus Christian missionaries are doing a noble deed.

And btw id just like to reiterate that Peter didn't betray Jesus, it was Judas for 30 pieces of silver. He also hung himself in a field after he realised the enormity of his deed.

[Dune Dx]

And btw id just like to reiterate that Peter didn't betray Jesus, it was Judas for 30 pieces of silver. He also hung himself in a field after he realised the enormity of his deed.
Thats what I said :unsure:

[Funky Monk]

I know, and im sorry if it seemed like I was stealing your thunder :P


I just wanted to fill in a few extra facts.

[Lardlad95]

I"m fine with any religion or spiritual belief someone has, even athiesm. This is my Test for a good spiritual belief.

1. Does it make sense to you?

2. Does it fulfill your life?

3. Does it bring you joy?

4. Does it bring you peace?

5. Are you happier with it than without it?



IF you answered yes to these than that religion is good for you. In the case of athiesm, if it makes sense to you then by all means go ahead.

My only two beefs with religion are

1. People who manipulate it for power

2. People that push their religion on others

3. People that denounce someone else's religion

[Comrade Zeke]

ok Judas betrayed Jeus......but didn't Peter give him the kiss of death? :P
ok fine other Pagan Religions have tryed to wipe out other Pagan Religions but it does happen less frequiently, and I perosnally respect all religious beilifs just because your a Chirstian and don't beilive in my gods doesn't mean your going to hell in my world. But the most average Christian tells me I am going to hell because I am "Worshiping false gods." Why can't all Religions just live in peace? Chrisniaty has got to be the most aggreassive Religion out there!
Sorry about spelling
Zeke

[MiniOswald]

meh religion schmerigion, i say you aint gonna convert da buggers so just leave, and btw i wouldnt bother talking over which ones are better than others, you can find major probs in all

[James]

wow, propaganda just went to a new low.
God says that is ok??

[Dune Dx]

Ok Christians should respect other peoples beliefs but still disagree. I dont know how you can call Christianity the most agresive after all you started this thread called "the curse of Christianity"

[truthaddict11]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 12:38 PM
wow, propaganda just went to a new low.
God says that is ok??
the bible sure does say that, and you arent supposed to use for hand either you should use a "rod" in many times a belt was used on me <_< , pretty fucked up huh?

[Comrade Zeke]

I dont know how you can call Christianity the most agresive after all you started this thread called "the curse of Christianity"


That is exaclly my point the curse of Chrisnity since it has been so wide spread and has nerally taken over the world it is a curse that wipes out all other religions
Zeke

[James]

the bible sure does say that,


And where...?

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Christianity is the basis for socialism, now that may sound odd but bear with me. Ideas such as pity for your fellow man can generally be attributed to religion. The development of Western society especially in the Enlightenment questioned the idea of God but almalgamated the positive aspects of religion such as tolerance and pity.

Evolving over time into socialism and liberalism we almost certainly take our roots from Christianity in the West anyway.

To assert Jesus was some looney is perhaps correct regardless however his influence is indisputable in politics, art and almost everything else.

It is however a decadent religion which represses and infocres a morality that is anti-human. As Foucault would put it Christianity is just another instuition in which to control the masses like say prisons, and successful in this pursuit.

Marx of course pointed out that religion is among the first to create a division of labour in which idealism was used to justify a bourgoius lack of real work.

Why do you all look to paganism, you are essentially looking backwards to a time before Christianity grasps the seeds of paganism and made it an official religion.

Learn to liberate yourself and stop looking outside of yourself for justification.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

James, why would there still be pagans or druids still in Ireland?

[James]

well considering there are some in England and Wales i ASSUME that there are still some in ireland.


Or were you asking "why" pagans still exist?

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

No its just the way you said it, came across odd. Dosent matter anyway, I dont want to derail the thread.

[Dune Dx]

so what where we actually talking about again?

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Funky [email protected] 18 2004, 03:40 PM
He also hung himself in a field after he realised the enormity of his deed.
Hense the reason why we have a Judas tree.

[Dune Dx]

whats a Judas tree?

[ZeroPain]

If Time Travel existed then you could prevent tons of bloodshed it works like this:
Hitlist:
Moses
Jesus
Muhammad

:lol:

Hey all in all history would change completely

[Comrade Zeke]

There are probally no Pagans left in Ireland, the Catholics have wiped them off the fase of the plannet. I could just stay in Hawaii instead of going to Ireland but it is so expensive here :(
Zeke

[Hiero]

There are no gods period.

[OverthrowtheGovt16]

ALL RELIGIONS ARE POINTLESS AND STUPID.

[Comrade Zeke]

There are no gods period.

Wrong and proove it you can&#39;t tell spirtual things


ALL RELIGIONS ARE POINTLESS AND STUPID.

CORRECTION MOST RELIGIONS expeciaslly Christanity and Islam.
Zeke

[Dune Dx]

ALL RELIGIONS ARE POINTLESS AND STUPID.

wow what amazing skills at debating now im convinced

<span style='color:blue'>If Time Travel existed then you could prevent tons of bloodshed it works like this:
Hitlist:
Moses
Jesus
Muhammad



Hey all in all history would change completely</span>
History would change for the worse the Hebrews would of been kept in slavery in Egypt, Christians wouldnt follow the teachings of Jesus "turn the other cheek" so you wouldnt have people like Martin luthur King if you didnt have Martin luthur king then non violent protest wouldnt be such a favourable option.

[Dune Dx]

Of course there are other arguments but I thought you might listen to this one more.

[James]

zeke


There are probally no Pagans left in Ireland, the Catholics have wiped them off the fase of the plannet.

wrong

Also - how is christianity "POINTLESS AND STUPID"?
And secondly - how is your pagan religion not the above?

[Funky Monk]

The salvation army - pointless and stupid?



Religion has acted as a catlyst for great social reform throughout history, how can you argue that it is pointless?

[Comrade Zeke]

There are probally no Pagans left in Ireland, the Catholics have wiped them off the fase of the plannet.



wrong

No your wrong I see no exsistence of Pagan worship still praticed in Ireland the Catholic church has gotten rid of it if you can find something with Pagan worship going on in Ireland still not just an internet site then I will be ammazed.



Also - how is christianity "POINTLESS AND STUPID"?
And secondly - how is your pagan religion not the above?

I was correting somone else.....my religion isn&#39;t pointless or stupid and NEITHER is yours I was just trying to argue with that gentlemnet who said all Religions are pointless and stupid. Of coarse I still think Chrinistay and Islam are both very imperelistic religions....The Romans did not use there gods as an excuse to invade certain areas they were just greedy and wanted land or someone attacked them they never went to a land claming it for Zues or Appollo like the Chrisitans have done don&#39;t you remember the famous words??

For God&#33; For King&#33; For country&#33; when the first Eroupeans set foot on North American soil.
Sorry about spelling
Zeke

[Hiero]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 23 2004, 05:44 AM


my religion isn&#39;t pointless or stupid
nah i would say it is piontless and stupid, now go see what the insides of a goat say so you know if zeus is going to let your crop grow or strick you with lightning.

[Hiero]

Sorry i cant take pagan religions serious. Like come on people beleive that over 5000 years ago, something would happen lady and then they made up some name for it adn later on created hum like images for it.

[James]

No your wrong I see no exsistence of Pagan worship still praticed in Ireland the Catholic church has gotten rid of it if you can find something with Pagan worship going on in Ireland still not just an internet site then I will be ammazed.


Where abouts in ireland have you been?


I was correting somone else.....my religion isn&#39;t pointless or stupid and NEITHER is yours I was just trying to argue with that gentlemnet who said all Religions are pointless and stupid.

You said
CORRECTION MOST RELIGIONS expeciaslly Christanity and Islam


I&#39;m christian.
How is it pointless and/or stupid?

Of coarse I still think Chrinistay and Islam are both very imperelistic religions....

You seem to have this crazy way of thinking that pagans never killed each other in the name of religion (vikings murdered many many many christians in Britain); and that christianity is an imperialistic religion&#33;
As monk said, if you believe in it, then you believe it to be RIGHT. If you believe it to be true, then you will want to try and get others to see your way of thinking.
Like you with this thread.
Christianity is not imperialist, although it has been used by imperialists. Like every other religion in the world.

The Romans did not use there gods as an excuse to invade certain areas they were just greedy and wanted land or someone attacked them they never went to a land claming it for Zues or Appollo like the Chrisitans have done don&#39;t you remember the famous words??

Firslty;
The romans were THE imperialists. They tried to destroy the pagans of gaul - read Ceasers reports on the war - they hated the pagans.
Did the romans (pagans) let the christians worship freely when they first came about? No; they murdered them in "amusing" ways, for pagan entertainment.

Secondly;
The romans became christian; and carried on the way they always had.

Thirdly;
Weren&#39;t zues and appollo greek gods?



Your trying to argue an impossible argument. In the process you are just making yourself look like someone who has no basic grasp of history, geography, religion - or common sense. You just seem full of alot of hate.

[apathy maybe]

This thread should really be called "The Curse of Stupidity" ...

If stupidity never existed look at all that suffering that could have been prevented. Look at how it now exists more so then any other single form of thought.

Inteligent people have thought about religion and accpeted it. Stupid people have rejected for no other reason then the say so of someone they respect. And of cause vise versa.

[Dune Dx]

well I think thats basically put an end to Zeke&#39;s thread oh well

[Misodoctakleidist]

Originally posted by Dune [email protected] 22 2004, 07:10 AM
ALL RELIGIONS ARE POINTLESS AND STUPID.

wow what amazing skills at debating now im convinced

<span style='color:blue'>If Time Travel existed then you could prevent tons of bloodshed it works like this:
Hitlist:
Moses
Jesus
Muhammad



Hey all in all history would change completely</span>
History would change for the worse the Hebrews would of been kept in slavery in Egypt, Christians wouldnt follow the teachings of Jesus "turn the other cheek" so you wouldnt have people like Martin luthur King if you didnt have Martin luthur king then non violent protest wouldnt be such a favourable option.
All of those thing would&#39;ve happened whether christianity existed or not.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 12:30 AM
Spelling? Don&#39;t you mean typing? If you cannot spell than you are a moron. If you can&#39;t type your either: a someone who values typing faster than accuracy or b. poor keyboard skills&#33; So don&#39;t be harsh on yourself&#33; Say you can&#39;t type&#33;
If you critisise spelling rather than actual material then you are the moron.

[Raisa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 12:30 AM
Spelling? Don&#39;t you mean typing? If you cannot spell than you are a moron.
You used the wrong form of "than" you moron.

[M_Rawlins]

Don&#39;t you mean you said "than" instead of "then".

[Comrade Zeke]

I am not giving up hardly.........
First off Comrade Neote or whatever name is:

nah i would say it is piontless and stupid, now go see what the insides of a goat say so you know if zeus is going to let your crop grow or strick you with lightning.
I don&#39;t beilive in Mytholgoy....I beilive in religion not comman fairy tales of the gods told by the Greeks and the Romans&#33;

Sorry i cant take pagan religions serious. Like come on people beleive that over 5000 years ago, something would happen lady and then they made up some name for it adn later on created hum like images for it.

THe Greeks were after the Egyptains the first people to invernt gods that looked like Humans and not animals. The Greeks were highly inteliggent and even the great philosphers that everyone looks up to beilived in the gods.
And I don&#39;t care if you don&#39;t take my religion seriously this deabte isn&#39;t about that its about the evils of Chrisnitaty and how is fallowers have slaughter millions made miseary for others all in the name of the lord almighty.

Ok James you:Interesting argument but I am not through with this diccusion...First off I ask you this simple question do you think your religion is trully helping people and trying to make a just thing in the world?


Where abouts in ireland have you been?
I havn&#39;t been there have you???

I am sorry I call your called your religion pointless and stupid I just don&#39;t think its right&#33; For the Chrisitans to go around brainwashing people Jesus saves this Jesus saves that bullshit&#33; Alot of people don&#39;t want to hear it but the Chrisitans keep preaching anyway&#33; Why can&#39;t they just leave people alone and just worship not convert people&#33;



vikings murdered many many many christians in Britain

They didn&#39;t murder in the name of their religion&#33;&#33; They murdered in the name of loot and woman and they were Brabrains what do you expect from a buch of people such as the vikings to throw down there swords and save the Christians??? Do you know why the Vikings looted chruches because there was gold in them I dout they even had a conecpt of what the Christian God was&#33; The English spoke Saxon or Angel and the Vikings spoke Norse how are they supposed to undertstand each other?


Christianity is not imperialist, although it has been used by imperialists. Like every other religion in the world.
THE IMPERIALISTS WERE CHRISTIANS THEMSELF it make them no better then the religion&#33;&#33;


Firslty;
The romans were THE imperialists. They tried to destroy the pagans of gaul - read Ceasers reports on the war - they hated the pagans.
Did the romans (pagans) let the christians worship freely when they first came about? No; they murdered them in "amusing" ways, for pagan entertainment.

I know they were imperialists what is your point?? Yes I know this as well but after words the Celts became citizens of the empire and were just as equal as any other Roman citizen&#33; I never said the Pagans would let the Christians worship freely but in ancient Mespotamia many PAGANS WORSHIPED side by side not going on brutal killing rampages just because there gods and goddess were better most of the time if you did readinng they adopted the other peoples gods and added them to their panthoens. I am sorry all your Christians were murdered in the games.......but things happen sorry to say Christians have wiped out more Pagans then Pagans have wiped out Christians simple as that I know that sounds lame but its the truth.


Secondly;
The romans became christian; and carried on the way they always had

The Romans became Christian because of Constantine the Great who split off anyway to form the Eastern Empire. It took a while for the Romans to see the light of god. And yes they did carry on as they always had......ever heard the story of one of the Newly Christianized Roman Western Empoeorers in a gesture in the light of god he order the statue of Zues to be brought down the Pagans cursed him saying that lighting would strike him down for his sins against Jove. And well a year latter he was in his court yard. I have to find what Empoerer to show you that story. The Pagans did leave some resistence when the Christians coverted the empire. One of the down falls of the Roman Empire was Christniaty it could have survived mabey 200 years more if it hadn&#39;t been for Christians. I am sorry this sounds really hateful I will stop. <_<

Thirdly;
Weren&#39;t zues and appollo greek gods?
Yes they were the Romans called them Jupiter and Apollo. Apollo never had a Roman name like most of the other Olympians did. The Romans enlighted by Greek culture took the gods as their own. On anthor note if the Jews and their one god system worked out so well.....how come they didn&#39;t get as many accomplishment as the Greeks or the Romans?? How come god never saved them from the Ayssrians or th Baboylonians?? The Pagans gods were ovisouly stronger intill Jesus sparked the falme of pacifist resistence against Pagan rule. :( How come the Jews didn&#39;t think up the idea of matter, mathmatics, phalanx, army training, aqedeucts&#33; A whole alphebet correct me if I am wrong but didn&#39;t the Phoncians help invernt the Jewish Alphbet??? They were Pagans right??? The Greek acomplish several other scieseces, philosphy, build gigantic temples and marvelous gardens...WHo build one of the biggest empires on earth???:Romans WHo was the best general of all time:Alexander the Great he was a Pagan worshiper as well. Who was in charge of inventing one of the first republics?Romans&#33; Even though it did turn into a greedy dictatorship latter. Other Pagans though out the world at diffrernt time periods:Shaka built one of the best African armies on Earth and created a mighty kingdom...He didn&#39;t claim it for his gods though he claimed it for the Zulu people&#33; Who resiteded the white expansionists in America several Native American Cheifs who were Pagans. The Dali Lama is Pagan the Hindus are Pagans and have a giant country in Asia called India ;) Gandhi was a Pagan&#33; The greatest pacficst of all time Gandhi was a Pagan&#33;
Some of the gretest healders of our time were Pagan and are Pagan. THe acomplisiments of the Pagans are alot the acomplishments of the Christians are alot to but are the nesscary for good reason:Mother Treasa helping Indians in India that is one of the better things I can think of. Chrisitans putting their lives on the line for starving kids in Africa thats good. But then again..................

Christians burning thousands of Witches who wern&#39;t accully witches....The ending of the ancient empires of America Aztec,Inca, Mayan, the end of the NAtive American way of life the end of the Arborginne Pagan religions in Australia&#33; Christians preaching garbage and robbing money from the poor people of Eroupe durning the middle ages they were the Capitalists and Knights of the time&#33;
Christians yelling aboration is bad and divorce is illegal&#33; THE COMMUNSITS ARE EVIL BECAUSE THEY WANT TO OVERTHROW THE CHRUCH&#33;&#33; I see no Pagans wanting to bash the Communist Socalist Idoeolgy most Pagans I meet are very open to the Left Wing point of view. Christians are right wing&#33;

I am sorry I have to proove a point about the Christian religion this is the end of this discussion because as you said this is boidling hatred between people. This argument was accully debatable but like most Christians, James you argue the same points of view.
sorry about spelling
Zeke

[Hiero]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 25 2004, 08:16 AM

And I don&#39;t care if you don&#39;t take my religion seriously this deabte isn&#39;t about that its about the evils of Chrisnitaty and how is fallowers have slaughter millions made miseary for others all in the name of the lord almighty.


Then dont mention your religion.

[James]

Ok James you:Interesting argument but I am not through with this diccusion...First off I ask you this simple question do you think your religion is trully helping people and trying to make a just thing in the world?


Yes... funky monk gave one of many examples.


I havn&#39;t been there have you???

No i havn&#39;t been to ireland. I do however live far more closer to it than you. I live in a once celtic nation. I have visited north wales many times. I have family from wales. I study british history.
blah blah blah

To suggest that there are no pagans in ireland is pathetic: and even if there weren&#39;t any - thats down to christianity being the more attractive. People are free to believe what they want.


I am sorry I call your called your religion pointless and stupid I just don&#39;t think its right&#33; For the Chrisitans to go around brainwashing people Jesus saves this Jesus saves that bullshit&#33; Alot of people don&#39;t want to hear it but the Chrisitans keep preaching anyway&#33; Why can&#39;t they just leave people alone and just worship not convert people&#33;

okay - do you get pissed off in elections? Do you get pissed off when ever someone tries to help you? Do you get pissed off when ever anyone has an opinion different to yours?

Also, who started this thread?
Who&#39;s attacking my religion?
Who get&#39;s soooo offended when their religion gets attacked/belittled?

Its not bullshit to people who believe in it. Like you said - you don&#39;t like people putting your religion down, so please don&#39;t do it yourself. I don&#39;t try to convert anyone.
If no-one wanted to hear it, no one would listen. If its just one guy going on and on to himself, where is the problem? Do you not believe in freedom of speech?


They didn&#39;t murder in the name of their religion&#33;&#33;

Well they did actually - look up Saint Edmund (was once - along time ago - the English patron saint).
They probably had religious war cries - they probably thought they were doing the will of some god - But well done&#33; you see my point. Just because they are doing something in the name of a religion; doesn&#39;t mean that that is the religion doing it.


They murdered in the name of loot and woman and they were Brabrains

Lets not get onto the topic of civilisation.


THE IMPERIALISTS WERE CHRISTIANS THEMSELF it make them no better then the religion&#33;&#33;

please - what does that mean?
Are you saying the only religious imperialists are christian?
Do you claim that no pagan religions are imperialist?


I know they were imperialists what is your point??

Well i thought that this was some sort of anti imperialist rant which tried to claim that christians are imperialists. And pagans arn&#39;t.
My point was that the romans were THE imperialists. That is - they were Not christians. If we want to have petty arguments, you could even say that the romans (the pagans) invented it&#33;



The Romans became Christian because of Constantine the Great who split off anyway to form the Eastern Empire. It took a while for the Romans to see the light of god. And yes they did carry on as they always had......ever heard the story of one of the Newly Christianized Roman Western Empoeorers in a gesture in the light of god he order the statue of Zues to be brought down the Pagans cursed him saying that lighting would strike him down for his sins against Jove. And well a year latter he was in his court yard. I have to find what Empoerer to show you that story. The Pagans did leave some resistence when the Christians coverted the empire. One of the down falls of the Roman Empire was Christniaty it could have survived mabey 200 years more if it hadn&#39;t been for Christians. I am sorry this sounds really hateful I will stop.

My point was that the name of the religion that they followed, and acted in the name of, didn&#39;t matter. They were the same when they were christian, as they were when they were officially pagan.

Religion didn&#39;t matter.



Yes they were the Romans called them Jupiter and Apollo.

Ah yes, i thought so. So you had a typing error.

* * *
That was it really... but then your post seems to go off on a tangent.

I&#39;ll attempt to cut bits out to reply to.


On anthor note if the Jews and their one god system worked out so well.....how come they didn&#39;t get as many accomplishment as the Greeks or the Romans?? How come god never saved them from the Ayssrians or th Baboylonians??


Well this is a weak argument to use when debating with someone who doesn&#39;t believe in your religion.
I don&#39;t believe the pagan gods saved the greeks/romans on occassion X.


How come the Jews didn&#39;t think up the idea of matter, mathmatics, phalanx, army training, aqedeucts&#33; A whole alphebet correct me if I am wrong but didn&#39;t the Phoncians help invernt the Jewish Alphbet??? They were Pagans right??? The Greek acomplish several other scieseces, philosphy, build gigantic temples and marvelous gardens...

Isaac Newton was christian.
Einstein was jewish
blah blah blah
I can put you in touch with someone who can go on and on about jewish achievements if you want?

Personally i think its a bit petty and irrelevent to someone&#39;s beliefs.


WHo build one of the biggest empires on earth???:

The British Empire (Christian)&#33; Quater of the globe. The sun never set... blah blah blah

This is irrelevent to what someone believes.


The greatest pacficst of all time Gandhi was a Pagan&#33;

Or jesus...


Some of the gretest healders of our time were Pagan and are Pagan.

is that meant to say healers?
I&#39;d say medicial science was advanced most by the italiens (with the renasounce [sp?]), and the european (christian) wars. e.g. blood transfusions.
The greeks were wrong about the body too.

Again though, this is petty and irrelevent.


Chrisitans putting their lives on the line for starving kids in Africa thats good. But then again..................

Christians burning thousands of Witches who wern&#39;t accully witches....

Okay; you have examples from two periods of time. One is modern: happening. With us today.
The other took place 100s of years ago.

Need i say more?

And anyway; the burnings were against the teachings of jesus. So you could argue that they were not christian.


The ending of the ancient empires of America ...Aztec

Two points.
1) the aztecs DID kill in the name of their religion.
2) the downfall of the aztecs was partly down to help provided to the spanish, from other native american tribes (who were pagan).


they were the Capitalists and Knights of the time&#33;

Or maybe the leading elite had an institutional religion, which just happened to be christianity. As the romans show, different religions don&#39;t make much of a difference.

Also am i an evil capitalist? Am i a knight?


Christians yelling aboration is bad

I don&#39;t want to get onto a topic as heated as abortion, but briefly:
Christians believe murder is wrong. The abortion of a living human is murder because you are killing it. I personally am not against all abortion, but i sure am in favour of MASSIVE crack downs.
People should have moral restraint, or have the common sense to use a condom etc.
Why should a life be ended because "sammy and carl" got pissed? Or, "carl couldn&#39;t be arsed" putting one on?


I see no Pagans wanting to bash the Communist Socalist Idoeolgy most Pagans I meet are very open to the Left Wing point of view. Christians are right wing&#33;

Now that is an assumption. One, which i must add, is incorrect.
The founders of english socialism were christian. The early christians "held everything in common".


I am sorry I have to proove a point about the Christian religion


Which is?


this is the end of this discussion because as you said this is boidling hatred between people.

wow wow wow&#33; you didn&#39;t say what the argument was&#33;

And anyway, it is "hateful" because you are guilty of what you hate others for doing&#33; i.e. make assumptions, abuse other beliefs etc


This argument

which was?


like most Christians, James you argue the same points of view.

geeeee... i wonder why that is. Is it because we are all christian (i.e. we have the same belief)?
And no, we don&#39;t anyway - i find that offensive. I do not agree with the bloody catholics (private joke...)&#33;

What same points of view anyway?

[Dune Dx]

James where have you been on all the other christian discussians ???? see if you can find "Marx is wrong 1" its a bit long but good


k think this is it http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?s...c=24056&st=200& (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=24056&st=200&)

[Dune Dx]

sorry the link takes u straight to the last page u will have to go to the start

[Neelie The Great]

Well, Christianity is a good thing, its just that other "christian" religions like the Catholics (no offence) are the ones who give Christianity a bad name. With their scandals and all, who woulden&#39;t think Christianity is bad?

-Neelie

[Comrade Zeke]

This debate orginally was not supposed to be Pagan vs. Christian I was explaining the evils of Chrianisty in its place in history this certain forum is called HISTROY right or are in the wrong forum mabey oppsoning idelogies where we could get the Nazi outcasts and the Capitalists to side with Comrade James. <_<

Chrianinsty has its faults and goods but it has the most fautlts out of all the religions....it has build the biggest corruption of the state has tryed to take over the world. Murdered Millions and were in favor of strict rules that limiit people in the workings of the government. Beilives in corrperal punishment for their children doesn&#39;t advocate freedom to have sex, do drugs, or have an education the Chrisntians in the old days refused people the right to an education. Jeus was a Pacifist sure but also tryed to start some sort of a pasifist revelution againsts the Romans. Thousand of other good religions were wiped out because the fallowers of one god refused to let the "heathans" pratice the freedom of religion. So much deverse culture down the drain in only 1,000 years. Thanks to Chrinsitay thousands have been forced to moved to camps and give up their way of life like the Aborgineis in Austrailia who were savages :o&#33; Christians have gone on bloody wars of conquest against neighbooring peoples because they wern&#39;t chritian. The world is changing however more Neo-Pagan religions are comming back into being and the current government have reduced the right of the church to control things.
I agree with religion but it should not be involved in the state and people should not try to convert people to join your religion just because you think its "Better" or more "Good" I certenially don&#39;t try to convert people to my religion and I don&#39;t think you do James I am saying other people&#33; Pagans religions were imperlistic but Christians have a longer one

I am not going to get draged into this again your religion is NOT better then mine and my religion ISN&#39;T better then yours I started this thread only because I wanted to proove a point to make them think of how much Chrinsitay has really done for the world. The Greeks had great ideaas on anthor note and if you didn&#39;t have thier great thinking I dout we would be as advanced as we are today.

My final argument for this disscusion...........Chrinaistanity is not bad but neither is it all good it pretends to help out the world with a secret goal of converting people into the Kingdom of God this I find wrong. Compleatly wrong. And this Jeus propganda is making it worse, the Passion was one of the most biggest selling movies of all time and showed Jeus surfering...They make the Romans look like bloodthirsty Barbarians. It was the Romans traddition to Crucifie people for crimes they beilived that Jeus was going against the Empire mabey he wasn&#39;t mabey he was all we have for notes are from the Bible a pro-Jeus proganda book making the land of Iseral the center of the world. There are other cultures out there sorry to say ;) The Romans created a great soeciety mabey it had a corrupt government but it had a great system of science, music,mathemtic, tax collections and many others. I don&#39;t like movies slandering great cultures just because they killed Jeus&#33; Everyone thinks that the Roman empire was the worst place on the plannet, they should do some reading before they come to conclusions, I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU JAMES I am not talking about the average Chrinstiain dising a culture and a people just for crucfing the Messia of the Jewish people. Christians have no right to force religion on people, I Catholic teenager one who is really into his religion came up to me and said, "Your going to hell you know that??" Just becuas I was warrying a symbol of my gooddess Afrodiatie, I go to Catholic sermons with my friends sometimes just to watch and observed the serimonay and afterword there all asking me do you feel guilty against your crimes against god and you should come to Chruch more often Jeus will forgive you.

FINAL STATEMEMT THATS IT:Chrinsitay is bad why can&#39;t it just live in peace with everyone else and everyone elses religion pratice privaltly. If the fallowers of god don&#39;t respect my religion to bad. I am sorry that it just how I feel.

SO sorry about spelling :ph34r: have a nice day I won&#39;t be posting for a few days I am going camping&#33; yeah&#33; :) lol
Zeke

[James]

This debate orginally was not supposed to be Pagan vs. Christian I was explaining the evils of Chrianisty in its place in history this certain forum is called HISTROY right or are in the wrong forum mabey oppsoning idelogies where we could get the Nazi outcasts and the Capitalists to side with Comrade James.

Christians are nazis?
Anyway; yes - we all know bad things have been done by "christians", but so have good things. Same with any religion.


Jeus was a Pacifist sure but also tryed to start some sort of a pasifist revelution againsts the Romans.


I can&#39;t find this passage in the new testament which you keep refering to...


Pagans religions were imperlistic but Christians have a longer one

About 1500 years?
PAgans had all the time before - and after in many places.

Please drop this PATHETIC "point".


the Passion was one of the most biggest selling movies of all time and showed Jeus surfering...They make the Romans look like bloodthirsty Barbarians. It was the Romans traddition to Crucifie people for crimes they beilived that Jeus was going against the Empire mabey he wasn&#39;t mabey he was all we have for notes are from the Bible a pro-Jeus proganda book making the land of Iseral the center of the world.

Have you seen the passion? I don&#39;t think you have.
It shows nasty romans - and nasty jews. And nice romans, and nice jews.

If you did watch it; i think you missed "the point".


I don&#39;t like movies slandering great cultures just because they killed Jeus&#33; Everyone thinks that the Roman empire was the worst place on the plannet, they should do some reading before they come to conclusions, I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU JAMES I am not talking about the average Chrinstiain dising a culture and a people just for crucfing the Messia of the Jewish people.

The passion doesn&#39;t do this...


FINAL STATEMEMT THATS IT:Chrinsitay is bad why can&#39;t it just live in peace with everyone else and everyone elses religion pratice privaltly. If the fallowers of god don&#39;t respect my religion to bad. I am sorry that it just how I feel.

And good...
It can live in peace... its people in general which seem to struggle.

[Comrade Zeke]

Yes James I finnally agree with you on one thing....something off topic...No I never saw the Passion was it good??? I didn&#39;t want to see because I thought it would be really bloody, I like war movies but I don&#39;t like movies with needless sufering. I heard it was a compleat docummentry of his life and they only spoke, Hebrew, Armianic and Latin....if you saw it what would you rate it from 1-10?
sorry about spelling
Zeke

[James]

Alot of people dislike it - think it is too violent - needless blood and gore etc.

I really liked it personally - i think i&#39;ll see it again this half-term. I&#39;d give it... 7/8?

It is: but it has subtitles. And it is just about the last week of his life - another criticism: some say that the film doesn&#39;t actually teach you a thing about his teachings. On the other hand though, the idea is that it shows how much suffering he went through. Leaves you to ask, Why? I imagine quite a few people have gone and read the gospels after viewing it.