Draft Dodgers UNITE!

[Red2K4]

Although I believe that the Draft will not happen during the course of this war. Emperor Claudius...I mean President Bush will probably leave Iraq to some other dictator that'll kill his people in 10 years before the end of 2004

However, if I am wrong and there is a draft do any of you know of (or think there may be) a safe haven for draft dodgers like myself?

[mEds]

canada, poland, germany. those would be the first places i might want to live. Also since I am going to college next year and since I have documentation that I will be going into a "professional" type of work ( doctor) even if I am drafted it would be possible for me to evade getting drafted in the legal sense.

[Kurai Tsuki]

Canada has made a deal with the American government, it will not allow draft dodgers to stay within it.

[mEds]

Im still left with two choices as you see ;). France, Brazil, Italy would be my 2nd tier choices anyways.

[Commie Girl]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2004, 04:04 PM
Canada has made a deal with the American government, it will not allow draft dodgers to stay within it.
:huh: Link? There has already been a "conscientious objector" that has been allowed to stay in Canada within the last few months

[Kurai Tsuki]

The Link (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=24940)

[truthaddict11]

screw canada i want someplace warm like Jamaica.

[Comrade Zeke]

I am going to either Ireland or I am going to run into Canada........who is going to catch me??? The Monties I am so scarrrrrreeeeeeeeeeddddddddddd :lol:
Zeke
Canada is way cool they going to left draft people slide

[Kurai Tsuki]

You guys seem to be obvlivious to the whether the government is planning a draft. What makes you think that it will be so easy to move to another country? Don't you think that if were so easy to leave America then more people would be doing it?

[truthaddict11]

to be honest i probally wont flee to another country, id take the prison sentence then be drafted

[Comrade Latino]

What about Mexico? They'll never catch you there.

[Cobra]

Just act like your insane.

That’s what Malcolm X did, and it worked.

They will send you back in no time.

[redstar2000]

Be openly communist and anti-imperialist. Wear that Che t-shirt!

Make it clear that you are a trouble-maker!

They'll most likely leave you alone.

On the other hand, have a backup plan. Learn Spanish!!!

Mexico is a good place to start, but I would recommend Costa Rica or even better Venezuela!

You don't want to put yourself at risk of heavy prison time; young guys in American prisons are usually gang-raped or forced to be some older prisoner's "*****". You are also often forced to become a member of one of the "racial gangs". Torture by American prison guards is hardly unheard of. (!) All things considered, life-long exile is far preferable to even a year in an American prison...at least in my opinion.

There's also nothing that says that you can't move to Canada legally right now or between now and the time the draft goes into effect...make plans and then just carry them out. Once you are granted "landed immigrant" status in Canada, the U.S. can't touch you.

(I've heard that there are many "dirt roads" that cross the U.S.-Canadian border that are unmonitored...a little exploration may be in order.)

And, if there is a "civilian alternative", go ahead and elect that option...but that's a risky move. There's nothing to say that those bastards aren't lying--and your "civilian service" will be working for some private contractor in occupied Wherever.

Better to plan now...and get out of this shithole while you can.

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net)
A site about communist ideas

[BuyOurEverything]

If you need to get out of the US quickly, there are a few unmonitered hiking trails that cross the boarder that all the Vietnam draft dodgers and now all the pot smugglers use. I wouldn't reccomend the civillian alternative unless you're fond of emptying bedpans in a hospital for a couple years.

[hotsexygrl42]

just say you are gay!!!

[ZeroPain]

Canada Would be great to escape the U.S. just that its Cold as Hell makeing a crossing alone hard dodgers would have to form crossing parties and pool resorces however the larger the groop the more they stand out so there is then the conclusion that parties of 4 would be most efficent

Also has anyone thought about jumping on a boat stowingaway and rideing acrust the border via the Great Lakes

[mEds]

Good point I would say Im Gay, a communist, i would be a dissenter, flat footed, obese, wear glasses, and too intelligent to be in the militairy. I would also try to acquire some std's and admit to prior drug use!

[BuyOurEverything]

I think Abbie Hoffman has something relevant to say on this topic:


The first rule of our new Nation prohibits any of us from serving in the army of a foreign power with which we do not have an alliance. Since we exist in a state of war with the Pig Empire, we all have a responsibility to beat the draft by any means necessary.

First check out your medical history. Review every chronic or long-term illness you ever had. Be sure to put down all the serious infections like mono or hep. Next, make note of your physical complications. When you have assembled a complete list, get a copy of Physical Deferments or one of the other draft counseling manuals and see if you qualify. If you have a legitimate deferment, document it with a letter from a doctor.

The next best deal is a Conscientious Objection status (C.O.) or a psychiatric deferment (psycho). The laws have been getting progressively broader in defining C.O. status during the past few year s. The most recent being, "sincere moral objections to war," without necessarily a belief in a supreme being. There are general guidelines sent out by the National Office of Selective Service that say it is a matter of conscience. The decision, however, is still pretty much in the hands of the local board. Visit a Draft Counseling Center if you feel you have a chance for this type of story. They'll know how your local board tends to rule. There are still some more cases to be heard by the Supreme Court before objection to a particular war is allowed or disallowed. It is not grounds for deferment as of now.

Psychos are our specialty. Chromosome damage has totally wiped out our minds when it comes to concentrating on killing innocent people in Asia. When you get your invite to join the army, there are lots of ways you can prepare yourself mentally. Begin by staggering up to a cop and telling him you don't know who you are or where you live. He'll arrange for you to be chauffeured to the nearest mental hospital. There you repeat your performance, dropping the clue that you have used LSD in the past, but you aren't sure if you're on it now or not. In due time, they'll put you up for the night. When morning comes, you bounce out of bed, remember who you are, swear you'll never drop acid again and thank everyone who took care of you. Within a few hours, you'll be discharged. Don't be uptight about thinking how they'll lock you up forever cause you really are nuts. The hospitals measure victories by how quickly they can throw you out the door. They are all overcrowded anyway.

In most areas, a one-night stand in a mental hospital is enough to convince the shrink at the induction center that you're capable of eating the flesh of a colonel. Just before you go, see a sympathetic psychiatrist and explain your sad mental shape. He'll get verification that you did time in a hospital and include it in his letter, that you'll take along to the induction center.

When you get to the physical examination, a high point in any young man's life, there are lots of things working in your favor. Here, long hair helps; the army doesn't want to bother with trouble-makers. Remember this even though a tough looking sergeant runs down bullshit about "how they're gonna fix your ass" and "anybody with a trigger finger gets passed." He's just auditioning for the Audie Murphy movies, so don't believe anything he lays down.

Talk to the other guys about how rotten the war in Vietnam is and how if you get forced to go, you'll end up shooting some officers. Tell them you'd like the training so you can come back and take up with the Weathermen.

Check off as many items as can't be verified when given the forms. Suicide, dizzy spells, bed-wetting, dope addiction, homosexuality, hepatitis. Be able to drop a few symptoms on the psychiatrist to back up your story of rejection by a cold and brutal society that was indifferent, from a domineering father that beat you, and mother that didn't understand anything. Be able to trace your history of bad family relationships, your taking to the streets at 15 and eventually your getting "hooked." Let him "pry" things out of you if possible. Show him your letter if you had the foresight to get one.

Practice a good story before you go for the physical with someone who has already beat the system. If your local board is fucked up, you can transfer to an area that disqualifies almost everyone who wants out, such as the New York City boards. If you can't think of anything you can always get FUCK ARMY tattooed on the outside of the baby finger of your right hand and give the tough sergeant a snappy salute and a hearty "yes sir!"*

*If unfortunately you get hauled in. The Army gives you a life insurance policy. By making Dan Berrigan or Angela Davis the beneficiary you might avoid front-line duty.



edit: I don't think stowing away on a boat across the Great Lakes would be a very good idea, as you'd still probably have to get through customs somehow and there would be alot of security. I'd still say take a hiking trail if you need to do it illegally.

[Morpheus]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 05:05 AM
just say you are gay!!!
If they bring back the draft they'll no doubt drop that objection.

If there's a draft we should turn the oil war into a civil war.

[Salvador Allende]

Or you could just go to Mexico and then Cuba and stay in Cuba if the US hasn't invaded it by then.

[BuyOurEverything]

Ya, the only problem with Venezuela is the possibility of a coup. If the US actually succeeds in overthrowing Chavez, any draft dodgers there might get seriously fucked.

[Red2K4]

Originally posted by Salvador [email protected] 16 2004, 05:56 AM
Or you could just go to Mexico and then Cuba and stay in Cuba if the US hasn't invaded it by then.
That is the best idea I have heard yet. I doubt Fidel would turn away an american draft dodger. He is after all against this war is he not?

I just don't know spainish

[Kurai Tsuki]

I aggree with Morpheus, one of the only things that could stop them from carrying out a draft is the threat of a violent rebellion. I would rather fight the American government than my fellow Arabs any day. For some reason I think this is a moment where the hardcore unloyal people are separated from the dabblers.



If there's a draft we should turn the oil war into a civil war.

[SgtPepper369]

Lucky for me I have Hardcore Atsma... but in other cases I would soo move to europe... even without a draft.

[RED CHARO]

GO TO MEXICO,
I know plenty of places there that would bee good draft- dodger communitys! :D

[h&s]

Just be a consiencious objector and fight the system!


canada, poland, germany. those would be the first places i might want to live.

Poland is part of the original coalition, so you'd be fucked if you went there

[Red2K4]

what about spain? with their new Socialist leader and all...

[h&s]

I doubt that they would dare to go against extradition policy just because someone is soicialist.

[hotsexygrl42]

If you are gay or lesbian does not work then go to jamaica mon