Conservatives that support the 'War on Terror'

[The Sloth]

To me, it makes no sense....it makes no sense that the media portrays the anti-intellectual argument of, "terrorists exist solely to destroy our freedoms" and millions upon millions believe this lie.

How do conservatives actually believe their own arguments hold ANY water? Strictly from a rational (and thus, a non-emotional) perspective, let's understand the following...

1) Islamic terrorism is mostly a reaction to Western imperialism
2) Islamic terrorists aren't "irrational" or "crazy," simply "desperate"
3) There is NO WAY to lessen the concentration of impact simply by TRANSFORMING one form of distress to another

Seriously, what do you expect? If I was a Palestinian, I'd pick that rifle up...but I'm actually an American from Brooklyn, and it's hard for individuals such as myself to understand the desperate lifestyle of an oppressed Palestinian that CANNOT simply 'write letters of appeal' to the Israeli government complaining about the rape and mutilation of his wife!

The closest to 'terrorism' that I see on the streets, for example, is when I'm at the projects in Williamsburg, or in Crown Heights, or Midwood....it is only out of desperation (and thus, competitiveness) that the residents of such neighborhoods resort to selling drugs, killing each other. Capitalists want to talk about the Third World as if it's some sort of distant region? When the average black male in Harlem has the same life expectancy as someone from Bangladesh, when I'm watching a video tape and my brother yells that, "no one actually lives in those buildings, do they?!", then it's obvious that the Third World isn't south of our American border; it's right off the Number Five Train that goes straight to Harlem!

I used the example of bad neighborhoods in New York City to represent the breeding ground of terrorism collectively...wherever you have oppressors, you're going to have those that react with violence -- the only type of reaction that they UNDERSTAND.

So, what are you going to do? Bomb every 'rouge nation' into oblivion? Are you going to set up a barbed wire fence around the U.S. border, when terrorists decide to blow things up left and right? Are you going to strengthen the xenophobia in the media for the purpose of promoting the political agenda behind the 'War on Terrorism'? Because, frankly, I see a fascist police state as the only solution to preventing terrorist attacks when also refusing to understand the mentality of the oppressed. I'm scared as hell as to what is going to happen this summer...I'm a frequent user of the subways in New York City. I don't want to be murdered on account of Western imperialism....I have nothing to do with it, but the thinking is that dead civilians such as myself, especially 16 year old dead civilians, are the only means of forcing the West to stop its imperialism. And that shit is sick!

[Take the Power back]

Your words hold true, comrade. To the average Joe Q. Public, terrorists are middle-eastern men with turbans on their heads. When the real terroroists are wearing fatigues with US flags on them, abusing prisoners and injuring civilians in the name of "liberation" and "freedom."

[thatCHEr]

Islamic terrorism is mostly a reaction to Western imperialism
Or perhaps its mostly a response to what their religion calls on them to do.


2) Islamic terrorists aren't "irrational" or "crazy," simply "desperate"

Ah. Yes, when a terrorist bombs a rival denominations festival in Iraq, they're just desperate. You seem to be ignoring part of your own sentance. ISLAMIC terrorists. They base their actions on what their religion and religious leaders tell them to do.
If a 'palestinian' terrorist thinks blowing up a bus of civilians is going to further his cause, then that is irrational and crazy. Desperation may or may not be a factor, but still the first two adjectives still apply.
In fact, they're fundamentalists, who believe in taking their holy texts literally, so yeah I'd say they're all irrational.


There is NO WAY to lessen the concentration of impact simply by TRANSFORMING one form of distress to another
This applies to the very people you are defending. Terrorists cannot lesson the problems of their countries by attacking others.


If I was a Palestinian, I'd pick that rifle up...but I'm actually an American from Brooklyn, and it's hard for individuals such as myself to understand the desperate lifestyle of an oppressed Palestinian that CANNOT simply 'write letters of appeal' to the Israeli government complaining about the rape and mutilation of his wife!
It's picking up the rifle that causes this in the first place, military action by Israel.
Also you use an unrepresentative example. Most people in the west bank and gaze have not had their wife raped or mutilated. While most in the west bank and gaza do at the minimum support terrorism against Israel.


I'm a frequent user of the subways in New York City. I don't want to be murdered on account of Western imperialism
Hey uhhh, street crime has nothing to do with western imperialism.


Are you going to set up a barbed wire fence around the U.S. border, when terrorists decide to blow things up left and right
Sure, i am totally for isolating terrorist states. It is obvious they are hostile to us, so why let them have the benefits of trading with us or other western countries either? It makes no sense to help someone intent on killing you. Isolate them, then when their country is still repressive and has a corrupt economy, then maybe they'll finally realise its because they have state-backed religion and not secularism. Instead of blaming all their problems on AMERIKKKA.

Oh, and also, it is not just conservatives that support the war. I am not conservative, and if the people of Iraq were to vote for some kind of international military prescence to stay in Iraq, I would support it.

[Intifada]

Or perhaps its mostly a response to what their religion calls on them to do.


do you want to provide us with some quotes from the qur'an to back up this claim? the extremists in all religions interpret their religions in ways to benefit their extremist aims.


Terrorists cannot lesson the problems of their countries by attacking others.

but if a person is being oppressed, they will automatically fight back.


While most in the west bank and gaza do at the minimum support terrorism against Israel.


the majority support actions against israeli troops, but support for attacks on israeli civilians has dropped to 48%, the lowest since the start of the latest intifada.


It's picking up the rifle that causes this in the first place, military action by Israel.


and it is israel's treatment of palestinians which causes a palestinian to pick up a rifle and resist.

[SittingBull47]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 07:27 PM

Islamic terrorism is mostly a reaction to Western imperialism
Or perhaps its mostly a response to what their religion calls on them to do.


2) Islamic terrorists aren't "irrational" or "crazy," simply "desperate"

Ah. Yes, when a terrorist bombs a rival denominations festival in Iraq, they're just desperate. You seem to be ignoring part of your own sentance. ISLAMIC terrorists. They base their actions on what their religion and religious leaders tell them to do.

douche.

You're generalizing the entire islamic religion. The suicide bombers do not speak for all muslims. Their sense of religion is different from most. Not every single person who reads the Quran goes around asking themselves "how can i fight the infidels today"

[revolutionindia]

Today one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

This is the age of insanity.

Insanity can be described as the inability to differentiate
between right and wrong.

Whether its 9/11,israel,palestine or jammu and kashmir
The people on both sides have suffered so much that
it is not easy to determine with a fair view of the situation
who is right and who is wrong.

These conflicts have aggravated to such an extent
that you do not know where all this started.

I believe there's a think tank in america called
PNAC(project for new american century)

It consists of former generals who determine america's foreign policy

They are in love with the idea of war but no little about its
horrors.

They want to secure america's future by all means fair and foul.

Bush is retarted and is the last to know or decide anything.
He is a front and the american government is
controlled by other sinister elements.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by SittingBull47+May 18 2004, 01:34 PM--> (SittingBull47 @ May 18 2004, 01:34 PM)
[email protected] 17 2004, 07:27 PM

Islamic terrorism is mostly a reaction to Western imperialism
Or perhaps its mostly a response to what their religion calls on them to do.


2) Islamic terrorists aren't "irrational" or "crazy," simply "desperate"

Ah. Yes, when a terrorist bombs a rival denominations festival in Iraq, they're just desperate. You seem to be ignoring part of your own sentance. ISLAMIC terrorists. They base their actions on what their religion and religious leaders tell them to do.

douche.

You're generalizing the entire islamic religion. The suicide bombers do not speak for all muslims. Their sense of religion is different from most. Not every single person who reads the Quran goes around asking themselves "how can i fight the infidels today" [/b]
by the same token, many of you are generalizing all westerners and america in general

[cubist]

today,

america wasted loadsa money freeing people who want to kill them, very honourable,

today a man plots his own suicide as a martyr for his faith again very honourable,

today yet more innocents die as a result of the above,

those innocents have families, those families side with cuase opposite to what killed theyre loved ones,

tommorow the same will happen

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by Brooklyn-[email protected] 15 2004, 03:40 AM

How do conservatives actually believe their own arguments hold ANY water? Strictly from a rational (and thus, a non-emotional) perspective, let's understand the following...

1) Islamic terrorism is mostly a reaction to Western imperialism
2) Islamic terrorists aren't "irrational" or "crazy," simply "desperate"
3) There is NO WAY to lessen the concentration of impact simply by TRANSFORMING one form of distress to another


Pure liberal apologism.


1) Islamic terrorism is mostly a reaction to Western imperialism

Whether or not "western imperalists" exists or not, Islamic fundamentalists take exceptrion with western philosopies in general. We are considered infidels no matter where we are.


2) Islamic terrorists aren't "irrational" or "crazy," simply "desperate"

They believe that by killing thousands of innocent people with a bomb-laden vest, hijacked airliner, or car-bomb that they will be given immortality and 71 virgins in the afterlife. Yeah, real level-headed and grounded people indeed.


3) There is NO WAY to lessen the concentration of impact simply by TRANSFORMING one form of distress to another

This sounds like you are suggesting the alternative of capitulation, which is no alternative at all. Capitulation is a word that is, suffice to say, unwelcome in the American lexicon.

[Commie Girl]

:P I can't resist!

The Crusades with a Twist! (http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1220781,00.html)

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 07:27 PM

Islamic terrorism is mostly a reaction to Western imperialism
Or perhaps its mostly a response to what their religion calls on them to do.


ignoring every thing else you said, lets concentrait on that. In reality Islam does not call upon people to perform these attrocities. In fact if you read quotes from the qur'an then you can see that it directly attacks soldiers who kill women and children. So the terrorist bombers clearly are not following islamic beliefs.

Also if what you said was true, then why is every other Muslim on earth not strapping explosives to them selves?

Sorry but that was a very dumb statment.

Whether or not "western imperalists" exists or not, Islamic fundamentalists take exceptrion with western philosopies in general. We are considered infidels no matter where we are.

My dear CI, if that is the case then why do millions of Muslims live in western countries?

You are generalising an entire religion considiting of hundreds of millions, by the actions of a very tiny minority.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 05:37 PM

My dear CI, if that is the case then why do millions of Muslims live in western countries?

You are generalising an entire religion considiting of hundreds of millions, by the actions of a very tiny minority.
Actualy, sir, go back and read my quote. I referenced "Islamic fundamentalists" specifically, not the millions of legitimate muslims.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

I think most conservatives who are still for the war in Iraq just have a fetish for killing "the America hating sand niggers". They only justification they need for the "war on terror" is that the enemy is brown. Just listen what some of what Rush Limbaum says and then try to tell me that isn't what he implies.

[SgtPepper369]

If you can make pat roberts worship satan, then you can stop extremists from being extreme. There is no way to stop the extremists... even if we kill them all. It's sad but true. I don't have the mental capacity to figure a way to stop it... who does ?

(I personaly belive taking your own life to kill others doesen't stop anything... but then again I haven't been opressed or brainwashed)