People's acceptance of capitalism

[Dune Dx]

most people Today recognise the flaws in capitilism but either fail to see their exploitation or think capitilism is the best humanity can do. Capitalism has managed to slip the worker into a state of comftability with their expoitation

- The Lazy

Then there are those who see no flaws in capitalism and think it is a good ideology and a good social map.

- The Blind

Then there are the extremely exploited who are payed far to little for the work they do. Exploited to the extreme by Globilisation an extremely dangerous weapon in the hands of huge corparations. These people cant afford to not accept the exploitation they are offered

- The Weak

How can we motivate these people? How can we open these people's eyes? How can we help these people?

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Dune [email protected] 14 2004, 05:27 PM
How can we motivate these people?
First you have to be motivated. Then you have to assign yourself to an organization that is fighting for real change and then help build it, by any means available to you.


How can we open these people's eyes?

By having a movement which does not bombard them with ideological rhetoric, but that challanges capitalism and the state at every turn. Either through practical direct action within communities, building for united front campaigns and all the other methods which are being or could be applied.


How can we help these people?

By showing them that they can change their conditions and that they infact have the power in society. By achieving this change in society will come.

These are abstractions though. What you need to do is get out there and join an organization and see how they are doing it, join in, help and start fighting for change.

[Dune Dx]

arnt anarchists against organisations?

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Dune [email protected] 14 2004, 06:13 PM
arnt anarchists against organisations?
No, it is a myth.

There are some kinds of anarchism which opposes organization but it is illogical and unreasonable. Organization is a necessary thing. It is how you do that organizing which is important.

Anarchism rejects strict centralisation with a hierarchical command structure which all Leninist parties aspire to achieve. Hierarchy fundamentally contradicts the point of what we are tryng to achieve and places on human being over another human being for the purpose of control. That is not right.

Anarchists also reject the concept of a vangaurd party which will lead the masses, but seperate to it. leninists believe that in order to achieve communism the "stupid" working class should be lead because they do not know any better, by professional revolutionaries. This then leads to the creation of a worker state, again led by this vangaurd.

Bakunin very often used the word vangaurd, but not in the way Lenin brought meaning to the world. Bakunin talked about a group, a well organized group, who would work within the working class, not outside of it, to propogate its ideas and bring about class consciousness within them, so that they can lead themselves in overthrowing the ruling class and creating communism, by smashing the state from the beginning.

If the workers are lead, disciplined and ordered about as they were in the Russian revolution, we will end up with the same situation we now have in Russia. Capitalism. Look at any leninist revolution and it is clear that none of them have succeeded. That is because the nature of their organization destroys the necessary conditions to achieve communism.

The only way to create a true communist society is by having a mass working class movement that is organized from the bottom up which does not have self proclaimed leaders and strict centralized hierarchy. Otherwise we will get Stalin and Mao all over again.

[Pawn Power]

we most motivate and stimulate the lazy by showing them the injustice and giving them something to organize about

inform the blind of a better society

and we must help the weak and let them know their are things worth fighting for and change is possible, this is the most important group

[Debs'atron]

They are blind because they are ignorant. They're is no one waving the banner of a better way. They are all berrated by capitalist ideas theyre entire lives. 2 dimensional beings cannot concieve the third. Laziness is a result of capitalism. Why work? Why try any harder? Life is good enough now. Why change it? It is the responsibility of the seeing and active to liberate the weak.

[Dune Dx]

how exactly will lazyness not appear in a communist society?

[Revolt!]

Whos to say your in fact the blind one and need to 'open your eyes'. Seems awfully pretentious.

[Pawn Power]

Originally posted by Dune [email protected] 20 2004, 07:46 PM
how exactly will lazyness not appear in a communist society?
the workers will be working for the good of themselves and for the good of society, they will get the full benifits of their labor, not the boses as we see in todays society who do no work and recive a majority of the wealth

[Pawn Power]

Originally posted by Revolt!@May 20 2004, 09:40 PM
Whos to say your in fact the blind one and need to 'open your eyes'. Seems awfully pretentious.
good job, way to open your mind, trust no one

[Raisa]

Originally posted by Dune [email protected] 20 2004, 07:46 PM
how exactly will lazyness not appear in a communist society?
When are you lazy when you know every one is relying on you?

[Pawn Power]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 01:34 AM

When are you lazy when you know every one is relying on you?
excellent point, labor porformed out of economic necessity would give way to trully volentary activity

[Dune Dx]

wha your Lazy when your jobe is boring and repetitive, it might start off with hmm if i dont finish this last bit of stuff to do will anyone notice then day by day more work isnt done untill complete lazyness - how will you combat this will it be a crime not to work?

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by glory+May 21 2004, 01:41 AM--> (glory @ May 21 2004, 01:41 AM)
[email protected] 21 2004, 01:34 AM

When are you lazy when you know every one is relying on you?
excellent point, labor porformed out of economic necessity would give way to trully volentary activity [/b]
I agree with Raisa, but allowance should be made for the jerks who couldn't care more but for themselves. In my opinion, mass propaganda must be used to instil a sense of collectivity.

but Comrade Glory, your further example is quite faulty... out of economic neccesity? What are the exploited workers of today thinking when they are exploited --> ECONOMIC NECESSITY,,, in order to live , live their familyies, they need to be exploited. That is not an example of voluntariness.

[leftist manson]

Capitalism. Look at any leninist revolution and it is clear that none of them have succeeded
wow
i can't see any socalled anrchist revolution from the left having success.
at least the leninist left had a global dominance for some stage .
as far as i know all the revolutions that succeeded or had that illusionary success were marxist -leninist.
russia,china,cuba,cambodia,vietnam ,all were the resut of marxist-leninist
revolutions.
even the guy on whose name this site exists was a clebrated marxist-[B]leninist.
i don't know how you sort that out in your revolutionary consciousness
or do i need to know better

[themessiah]

peoples acceptance of capitalism

the brain washed. the under educated. the idiots.

[Essential Insignificance]

peoples acceptance of capitalism

the brain washed. the under educated. the idiots.

From that kind of comment, I’m going to assume that you fit quite perfectly into the latter category.

However, I don’t really think you can put it down as the "under educated", whom "accept" capitalism, because they are, just too "dim-witted" to know any better.

If that were to be accurate, there would have never of been any uprisings, rebellions and revolutions before, across the globe…for what ever reasoning’s and causes.

[Urban Rubble]

Thank you EI, that's what I wanted to say.

Kid, if you think you're smarter, and better educated than every Capitalist, you've got shit in your head. There are many brilliant Capitalists, and there are many stupid Communists. And vice versa.

[Dune Dx]

It really comes down to a belief over do you think it is possible for communism to work, becuase most capatilists think communism is a good isea but nothing more and then there are the idiots that dont really know what communism is...

[Essential Insignificance]

It really comes down to a belief over do you think it is possible for communism to work

Perhaps…but there is a lot more to it then that; but if we were to "boil things" down, there would be two fundamental premises to take in to contention; them being, is the communist revolution a feasible outlook and the materialization of thus; and from the small extracts that can be taken from Marx’s works, that describe the functioning of a communist society, "viable" in themselves; that is to say, will the requisite principles of communism work on a mass scale.

And I say yes, and I think a lot will too.