Israel Demolishing More Homes Than Ever

[Intifada]

Israeli occupation forces have flattened 100 homes in just 10 days, leaving more than a thousand Palestinians homeless.

According to the UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) on Tuesday, 1110 men, women and children of all ages have nowhere to go.

It says the Israeli military demolished or damaged beyond repair 131 residential buildings since the start of May, bringing to 17,594 the total number of people who have lost their homes in Gaza.

The majority of the demolitions have taken place in Rafah in the south, where 11,215 people have already been made homeless.

Many more thousands watched as their homes were bulldozed in the region of the Kissufim Road, near an illegal settlement.

Punishing the innocent

UNRWA Commissioner-General Peter Hansen said the "overwhelming majority of the more than 17,000 Palestinians who have lost their homes in Gaza since the start of the intifada have been guilty of nothing more than living in the wrong place at the wrong time."

As the largest humanitarian operation in the occupied Palestinian territory, UNRWA has been providing those who have lost their homes with water, food, blankets and cash assistance.

With funding from donors, the Agency has been able to build new shelters for several hundred of the homeless families, but its resources are unable to meet the growing number of demolitions

from aljazeera (http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/FE711A83-0712-44A8-8244-CEE3D496B916.htm)

[NYC4Ever]

Its getting to a boiling point. Niether side will put down their guns.

[thatCHEr]

Oh noes!

It's not like they've had plenty of time to prepare, this idea of building a wall is totally out of the blue, am I rite guyz?

[Misodoctakleidist]

Im sure they didn't expect their homes to be bulldozed.

[thatCHEr]

"near an illegal settlement."

Almost missed this. It's not illegal.


Im sure they didn't expect their homes to be bulldozed.
They have the Islamic terrorists to thank for that.

[Misodoctakleidist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 08:27 PM
"near an illegal settlement."

Almost missed this. It's not illegal.


Im sure they didn't expect their homes to be bulldozed.
They have the Islamic terrorists to thank for that.
What does bulldozing the homes of inncoent people have to do with terrosim?

Should the british government bulldoze irish homes in response to the IRA?

[thatCHEr]

Should the british government bulldoze irish homes in response to the IRA?
If the IRA was continuing to be a big threat to us, killing civilians and disrupting the running of the state then yet, some homes should be bulldozed if it is decided the best way of dealing with the situation is through creating a large wall.


What does bulldozing the homes of inncoent people have to do with terrosim?
It is the terrorists that have made Israel have to resort to this.

[Misodoctakleidist]

How?!! How does this stop terrorism?

[thatCHEr]

Are you aware of how walls work?

[Intifada]

the wall is a land-grab.

it is simply going to aggravate the terrorists.

house demolitions is a crime.

israel's settlements in the OPTs are illegal.

[thatCHEr]

the wall is a land-grab.
it is simply going to aggravate the terrorists.
Yes, that makes great sense. Israel is just doing it to gain land. If Israel was just interested in land, it could get the entire west bank and gaza strip by force.
It may aggrevate or give fuel for some of their rants, but thats fine, as terrorist attacks, and successful terrorist attacks will fall.

[Intifada]

if israel built its wall inside israel, within the internationally recognised border, it would be perfectly legal and a justifiable means to protect its population. what the wall is really doing is grabbing more palestinian land. the wall also prevents palestinians from accessing their homes, hospitals, schools and towns. the wall will enclave the palestinians into ghettos.

the wall is simply illegal and violates human rights.

[Saint-Just]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2004, 04:23 PM
Yes, that makes great sense. Israel is just doing it to gain land. If Israel was just interested in land, it could get the entire west bank and gaza strip by force.
It may aggrevate or give fuel for some of their rants, but thats fine, as terrorist attacks, and successful terrorist attacks will fall.
Don't play ignorant. You know there are forces inside the Israeli government that say Israel has the right to most of the Middle-East since it was promised to them thousands of years ago by Abraham(?). Obviously there are also people in the Israeli government who do not want that.

[thatCHEr]

if israel built its wall inside israel
It is.


what the wall is really doing is grabbing more palestinian land. the wall also prevents palestinians from accessing their homes, hospitals, schools and towns. the wall will enclave the palestinians into ghettos.
Like I said, there is much easier methods Israel can use, if it wants more land. And in fact its only by a small margin that they don't use them. Sharon is a relative dove.
If Israels goal was to acquire the land held by the 'palestinians' it could easily do so with its military capability.

Hospitals, schools etc are not fixed into the earth. It is possible to relocate. Those who lose their houses, well, thanks Hamas, nice work. You think Israel would need to do this, or have the political leverage to do this, if it wasn't for the suicide attacks? They have nobody to blame but themselves, and don't try and suggest the majority of palestinians don't support these terrorist groups. They have popular support. Oh nos, its not gone their way, well now they have to face up to the consequences of their actions.


You know there are forces inside the Israeli government that say Israel has the right to most of the Middle-East since it was promised to them thousands of years ago by Abraham
There are members of the Israeli parliment who take a much less tolerant position than Sharon, if that is what you mean. But no, there isn't those who feel israel has the right to most of the middle-east. As no where in Judiasm does it say that. The Torah states that Moses made an agreement with god on Mt Sinai, the covenent. The Jews recieve out of this agreement the holy land, ie Israel.
Inside the Israeli government there is those who would rather completely occupy the west bank and gaza strip, yes, because of how previous attempts to comprimise and get to an agreement have all been blocked by the terrorist organisations.

[NYC4Ever]

I dont understand some you guys and your double standards. Somehow you guys do not want to go down the Holy land route, but if you do its all in favor of the Palestinians and Arabs. If anything the Israelis could have the occupied lands Palestinian-free in no time. Yet, the Arab nations didn't hesitate to pull an all aggressive war campaign four times, and aiding Palestinian terrorists.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Communist do not care about Allah or Islam, yet know their radical terrorism is the best weapon against the US and Israel. Marriage of convienence.

[Purple]

I saw a story on this on the news, they said that someone had killed 5 soldiers so they had bulldozed a refugee camp with a couple of hundred houses... seemed to senseless, and really confusing... but it doesnt seem too bad consequenses cause it seems like their living standards have been resurrected...

[Osman Ghazi]

If anything the Israelis could have the occupied lands Palestinian-free in no time.

Except for the fact that that is ethnic cleansing. It's funny how hypocritical Americans imperialists. You can blow the shit out of Serbia for ethnic cleansing and then turn around and give Israel the guns to ethnically cleanse Gaza and the West Bank. I guess it's because Israel is a democracy hahaha.


Yet, the Arab nations didn't hesitate to pull an all aggressive war campaign four times, and aiding Palestinian terrorists.

Oh really, care to list those?


Communist do not care about Allah or Islam

You're god damn right we don't. Jesus tapdancing Christ what does it take for you to realize we dont give a good god damn about religion?

[Intifada]

It is.

the wall will result in the unilateral demarcation of a new border in the west bank and the annexation of occupied palestinian land.

the wall and international law (http://stopthewall.org/downloads/factsheets/fs-intlaw-highres.pdf)

that the wall is a violation of human rights and international law should not be in dispute.


Those who lose their houses, well, thanks Hamas, nice work.

oh! so this wall is the fault of hamas? the suicide bombings are simply the reply to the unjustified oppression of palestinians. what do you expect them to do? when israel stops its oppression of palestinians, there will be no need to fight back for the palestinians. end the occupation and terrorism will hault.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 08:27 PM
"near an illegal settlement."

Almost missed this. It's not illegal.


Im sure they didn't expect their homes to be bulldozed.
They have the Islamic terrorists to thank for that.
The fault lies then with the Islamic terrorists - as you say it - not with the innoncent civillians. Punishing people for crimes that others have commited. Yup, sounds exactly like Imperialist Justice.

Just watch out for people who think the same as you and wants to punish you for crimes that Britain has commited.

[synthesis]

It is the terrorists that have made Israel have to resort to this.

I live in a house with my wife. My neighbor lives in a house with his wife and daughter. One day, my neighbor suddenly has a latent psychotic outburst, breaks into my house, and rapes and murders my wife. He is sent to jail. Two days later, I burn down his house. Am I ethically justified in depriving his family of their home due to the crimes of the male?

[Raisa]

Originally posted by th[email protected] 13 2004, 08:27 PM


Im sure they didn't expect their homes to be bulldozed.
They have the Islamic terrorists to thank for that.

NO! They have the Israel's NAZI government to thank. Thank you Israel, for making yourself more enemies out of innocent palestinian people, so that the world can feel sorry for you when those people hate you now and decide join the opposition. Great idea. :blink:

[mEds]

nazis were the oppresors now the jews are the oppressors. poland was weak and fairly ignorant to german fascism and as a result suffered. and the palestinians too are also flawed in that a sizable percentage of them bombing people will make change. If they had a better education system and palestine used other methods maybe they would have had their freedom by now. But, the israelis might have a little more "book" intelligence but are just as diabolical as american imperialism. neither side is really innocent but the palestinians are the ones who are really being oppressed. they are just to un-creative to use different means.

[Saint-Just]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2004, 05:10 PM
There are members of the Israeli parliment who take a much less tolerant position than Sharon, if that is what you mean. But no, there isn't those who feel israel has the right to most of the middle-east. As no where in Judiasm does it say that. The Torah states that Moses made an agreement with god on Mt Sinai, the covenent. The Jews recieve out of this agreement the holy land, ie Israel.
Inside the Israeli government there is those who would rather completely occupy the west bank and gaza strip, yes, because of how previous attempts to comprimise and get to an agreement have all been blocked by the terrorist organisations.
The holy land was not defined as Israel, obviously. It was defined as an area that covers a far larger area of the middle east. This is what I was told by a Jew, although it may be wrong.

Anyway, my point is that Israel is interested in land.

[DSCH]

This is excellent news. I was very pleased to hear it yesterday. Praise God.

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040514/capt.xem10105141857.mideast_israel_palestinians_xe m101.jpg

[thatCHEr]

NO! They have the Israel's NAZI government to thank
what


Thank you Israel, for making yourself more enemies out of innocent palestinian people, so that the world can feel sorry for you when those people hate you now and decide join the opposition. Great idea
And why is Israel doing it? In response to 'Palestinian' terrorists. I doubt much of the world feels sorry for Israel, either. Judging by how UN votes normally go, and how often it is brought up.


neither side is really innocent but the palestinians are the ones who are really being oppressed. they are just to un-creative to use different means.

If they used more peaceful methods then Israel would not need to have their military in the palestinian provinces, and would have no need to build a wall around the problem areas. Remember who it is who prevents any attempts at peace agreements, or breaks any cease fires. Israel doesnt just change its mind and drive into the west bank for no reason. It does it in response to yet more attacks by Islamic terrorists who hate the idea of ethnic and religious intergration.


The holy land was not defined as Israel, obviously. It was defined as an area that covers a far larger area of the middle east. This is what I was told by a Jew, although it may be wrong.

I doubt the exact border is what was originally thought to be the holy land, I agree. Let me try and find the exact passage. Ok its not very clear at all, just giving the general area. "It was on that occasion that the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying: "To your descendants I give this land, from the Wadi of Egypt to the Great River (the uphrates),
the land of the Kenites, the Kenizzites, the Kadmonites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites." Genesis 15:18



Anyway, my point is that Israel is interested in land.
Well, I disagree. If it wanted land theres easier ways it could do so, plus the walls route has been designed with security in mind.

[Saint-Just]

I doubt the exact border is what was originally thought to be the holy land, I agree. Let me try and find the exact passage. Ok its not very clear at all, just giving the general area. "It was on that occasion that the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying: "To your descendants I give this land, from the Wadi of Egypt to the Great River (the uphrates),
the land of the Kenites, the Kenizzites, the Kadmonites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites." Genesis 15:18

Yes, that is the passage I was quoted. It is bigger than Israel, but not quite the entire Middle East.

[Severian]

In Rafah, the wall is between Egypt and Gaza. The city of Rafah straddles the border, and homes are being demolished in order to divide the city. Actually, the wall was finished a long time ago, and the homes are being demolished to make a wider and wider open space around the wall....and keep Gaza the world's largest prison.

There's some excuse about tunnels to Egypt involved.

Here's an exceptional bit of evidence: a 20-minute video taken by International Solidarity Movement volunteers in Rafah. You get a very clear, visual picture of how intolerable the occupation has made life in Rafah. It's a long download, and you need the Quicktime player.

Download the video (http://www.archive.org/download/ISM_Rafah_DSL/ISM_Rafah_DSL.mov)

[Cobra]

Jews are the agressors and are mostly to blame, but I would rest part of the problem on the Palestinians for not defending their homeland. 50 years ago, the Palestinians were a bunch of cowards who ran away from the Jews and let them steal their land. And today, most Palestinians have not changed. They cower in fear as the Jews tear down their homes, but they do nothing to try to stop them. As for the wall, the Palestinians could turn it to rubble with a few well-placed explosives. But most of them are cowards. However, I must admit that the Jews do have weapons that are far more powerful than the ones owned by Palestinians making it much more difficult for the Palestinians to win. The only easy solution would be for the Saudi military to lend its support to the Palestinians and to force the Jews to give the land back the the Palistinians. Though after doing some research, I am starting to think that perhaps some Jews should be allowed to live in Palestine.

Looking back on history, one can see that the Jews, Muslims, and Christians were able to live peacefully together in Israel for several hundred years. Then some guy came to power (I forget his name) and burnt down the holy Christian church in Jerusalem. His successor rebuilt the church, but this was not enough for the Christians. So the Christians tell the infidels in Europe to go on a crusade against the Muslims. And the Europeans listen to them. The crusaders take over Jerusalem and slaughter all the Muslims there. The Muslims force the infidels to leave. The Muslims choose not to take revenge on the Christians living in Jerusalem. They are generous and let them live. And for a few hundred years, this ended the conflict. My point is that once the Palestinians retake Palestine, instead of forcing all the Jews living there to leave, perhaps the Palistinians should allow some of the Jews to continue living in Palestine and treat these Jews with respect (even though they don’t deserve it). Maybe that would work best. Jews are usually peaceful when they are a minority. They just seem to be a problem when they are the majority. When there is a Musilim majority in a free Palestine, there is a chance that the Jews won't be a problem. The prophet Mohammed tolerated the existance Christianity and Judaism. Once the Palestinians retake their land, I believe they will follow Mohammed’s example.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 08:39 PM

Should the british government bulldoze irish homes in response to the IRA?
If the IRA was continuing to be a big threat to us, killing civilians and disrupting the running of the state then yet, some homes should be bulldozed if it is decided the best way of dealing with the situation is through creating a large wall.


What does bulldozing the homes of inncoent people have to do with terrosim?
It is the terrorists that have made Israel have to resort to this.
You are highly illogical, this kind of tactic in the face of terror attacks only goes to further aggravate the issue, which have created the terror threats.

The solution, like occured in Ireland, is a more subtal approach, from both sides. The situation in Ireland is proof of this, when the british were aggressivly reacting to the terrorists, then it only escellated the issue, when a new approach was used, then the terrorism eventually ended.


Jews are the agressors and are mostly to blame, but I would rest part of the problem on the Palestinians for not defending their homeland. 50 years ago, the Palestinians were a bunch of cowards who ran away from the Jews and let them steal their land. And today, most Palestinians have not changed.

Your an idiot.

[Raisa]

NO! They have the Israel's NAZI government to thank

<<what>>

Did I stutter?

<<And why is Israel doing it? In response to &#39;Palestinian&#39; terrorists. I doubt much of the world feels sorry for Israel, either. Judging by how UN votes normally go, and how often it is brought up.>>

I feel sorry for the people every where but the decisions of the Israli goverment are stupid. As a goverment they mandate punishing a whole nation for what some people are doing all ready. Innocent people have to pay. No wonder they hate Israel&#33;

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