Beheading video

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

The video of the beheading of the American was said to be public on the internet posted on an Islamic website. Does anyone know the URL of website that posted the video so that I can watch it for myself?

EDIT: Found a link, http://video.ogrish.com/ogrish-dot-com-ame...ded-in-iraq.wmv (http://video.ogrish.com/ogrish-dot-com-american-nick-berg-beheaded-in-iraq.wmv)


This is a VERY graphic video of the beheading (by knife) WATCH AT YOUR OWN RISK!

[BOZG]

I was about to point out that it's available on P2P programmes. I wouldn't suggest watching it if you're squeamish in anyway.

[DaCuBaN]

When you consider the content, it's surprisingly 'clean'.

I really cannot understand what they hope to achieve by this - I really do wish this is a hoax - but I seriously doubt it.

[toastedmonkey]

Does anyone know the URL of website that posted the video so that I can watch it for myself?
I dont know about you MM, but i dont think its a good idea to post links to the islamic terrorist sites, or go on them for that matter

[redfront]

I will not see the video (it's just plain disgusting), but i've heard what it's all about and it certanly wont help their twisted cause.

(I bet Powell and bushy boy are very pleased at the moment, since this will take all the focus away from the sick pictures of U&#036;-soldiers tortouring Iraqis <_<)

[Commie Girl]

I watched it and it really shook me, actually i was so horrified you must watch at your own risk&#33; ....thought about it all night. This will help escalate problems, then the other soldier pictures will be made public....what next?

[BOZG]

It&#39;s not a hoax. They found the corpse I read in the paper. How exactly is it clean DaCuban?

[DaCuBaN]

I will not see the video (it&#39;s just plain disgusting), but i&#39;ve heard what it&#39;s all about and it certanly wont help their twisted cause

It&#39;s not all that grotesque to watch - certainly a lot cleaner than culling cattle for example.


It&#39;s not a hoax. They found the corpse I read in the paper. How exactly is it clean DaCuban?

I did say surprisingly clean. In all honesty I was expecting far worse than what I saw - a fuzzy, unclear image of a bound man being beheaded. It&#39;s no worse than watching someone fry in the chair.

Not that I am defending this act: It&#39;s deplorable, depraved and only heightens the tension around the situation.

[BOZG]

I knew where you were coming from, I get you now. Yeah it is of relatively bad quality, you can still make out stuff. Regardless, most people use their imaginations in such a situation anyway.

[Vinny Rafarino]

I dont know about you MM, but i dont think its a good idea to post links to the islamic terrorist sites, or go on them for that matter



This is not a link to an "islamic terrorist" site.



I did say surprisingly clean. In all honesty I was expecting far worse than what I saw - a fuzzy, unclear image of a bound man being beheaded. It&#39;s no worse than watching someone fry in the chair.

It is "surprisingly clean" because it is real. This is what death looks like when you don&#39;t have Hollywood adding gruesome special effects to create more "gore".

I suppose you did not notice to incredible amount of blood that spills from the torso once the carotid arteries were severed did you?

[DaCuBaN]

I suppose you did not notice to incredible amount of blood that spills from the torso once the carotid arteries were severed did you?

You just like jumping on people, don&#39;t you :rolleyes: ;)

Key word, even highlighted, is surprisingly
To answer your question: yes.

I still think the images of execution through electric chair are just as bad - the only difference being the justification behind the action. Each in its way is equally deplorable.


It&#39;s not all that grotesque to watch - certainly a lot cleaner than culling cattle for example

We are just animals - people seem to forget this. The destruction of a human being is no different to that of an animal. In comparison to the treatment &#39;civilised people&#39; give animals, this is nothing. There is far more &#39;gore&#39; available in the real world if you&#39;d care to look.

[Skeptic]

Does anyone sense anything fishy about the fact that Nick Berg was being held by the Iraqi Police and the Coalition forces for 13 days before Al Qaeda supposedly got him and executed him? There may be some conspiracy here. The issue of an America being grusomely beheaded on video tape could serve American interests. It may serve to get the U.S. miliary torture victims stories off the front page. I know that the audio tape messages from Bin Laden saying Al Qaeda was claiming responsiblity for 911 was proven to be faked by Swedish intelligence experts and that in face to face interviews Bin Laden stated adamantly that Al Qaeda was not responsible for the attacks on 911 in Manhattan and Washington. Do you think these masked persons in the video could be working for the CIA? Anybody have any more information?

Skeptic

[antieverything]

I certainly wouldn&#39;t count out the possibility. You are full of shit, however, when you say that Bin Laden ever denied responsibility for 9-11. Where the hell did you dig up such ridiculous lies? How &#39;bout a source for the "false tape" as well&#33;

[Vinny Rafarino]

We are just animals - people seem to forget this. The destruction of a human being is no different to that of an animal. In comparison to the treatment &#39;civilised people&#39; give animals, this is nothing. There is far more &#39;gore&#39; available in the real world if you&#39;d care to look.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you&#39;re a tough guy. We get it.

[Hiero]

I cant believe they used a knife, that is really barbaric not to do it properly.

[BuyOurEverything]

I agree neonate, they should have used a sword or something. That said, it only took like 15 seconds. All in all, probably a better death than a heart attack or a car crash.

[Subversive Pessimist]

After seeing the video, I have something to say.
I believe this is a sick and disgusting act. Just listening to them, chopping off his head, while he is screaming, and shouting Allah, Allah, Allah&#33;, is just sick. I hope these guys burn in hell. Period.

[Komit]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 03:21 AM
I certainly wouldn&#39;t count out the possibility. You are full of shit, however, when you say that Bin Laden ever denied responsibility for 9-11. Where the hell did you dig up such ridiculous lies? How &#39;bout a source for the "false tape" as well&#33;
go and read this deepshit
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/archiveprior_knowledge.html
do you obviosly think that usa had nothin to do with it,read that,it&#39;s quite a bit but i hope it opens your eyes.
they set up the whole thing so later they can start a "war on terrorism", 9/11 was just a reason they needed and created it themselves&#33;
just read that

[toastedmonkey]

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 12 2004, 10:22 PM

I dont know about you MM, but i dont think its a good idea to post links to the islamic terrorist sites, or go on them for that matter


This is not a link to an "islamic terrorist" site.
i am aware of that... i was refereing to what he said originally... he wanted a link to the islamic site it was on originally.

that, i think would not be a good idea.

[thatCHEr]

A couple of mirrors I know of, I would imagine its getting a lot of hits and so might go down because of bandwidth problems.

http://www.yorbamicro.com/stuff/iraq2vediom.wmv
http://moomooco.ws/SAContent/iraq2vediom.wmv

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Komit+May 13 2004, 07:18 AM--> (Komit @ May 13 2004, 07:18 AM)
[email protected] 13 2004, 03:21 AM
I certainly wouldn&#39;t count out the possibility. You are full of shit, however, when you say that Bin Laden ever denied responsibility for 9-11. Where the hell did you dig up such ridiculous lies? How &#39;bout a source for the "false tape" as well&#33;
go and read this deepshit
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/archiveprior_knowledge.html
do you obviosly think that usa had nothin to do with it,read that,it&#39;s quite a bit but i hope it opens your eyes.
they set up the whole thing so later they can start a "war on terrorism", 9/11 was just a reason they needed and created it themselves&#33;
just read that [/b]
With all due respect, I very seriously doubt that a site called the "propagandamatrix", can be taken seriously by a person with more brain power than a chicken.

I hope their is help for you, really i do.

[Skeptic]

[QUOTE=antieverything,May 13 2004, 03:21 AM]I certainly wouldn&#39;t count out the possibility. You are full of shit, however, when you say that Bin Laden ever denied responsibility for 9-11. Where the hell did you dig up such ridiculous lies? How &#39;bout a source for the "false tape" as well&#33;

Here are the links you asked for &#39;Antieverything&#39; to the journalism backing up my statements about Bin Laden denying any involvement with 911 and the statement that Swedish Intelligence experts denied the tapes of Bin Laden claiming credit for 911 were faked by Intelligence agencies:

http://www.radio4houston.org/takingaim/

040323/ Operation Masquerade Part Two: It&#39;s All One War Now
Partly preempted, so rebroadcast on 040330.
http://radio4houston.org/takingaim/takingaim040323.mp3
http://radio4houston.org/takingaim/takingaim040323.m3u

040316/ Operation Masquerade Part One: The Bombings In Madrid
http://radio4houston.org/takingaim/takingaim040316.mp3
http://radio4houston.org/takingaim/takingaim040316.m3u

--Skeptic

[Skeptic]

Hello group: I just read on a conspiracy sort of website an article claiming that the decapitation video is a fraud: --Skeptic

Berg Decapitation Video
Declared A Fraud By Doctor
La Voz De Aztlan
News Bulletin
5-13-4

The first casualty of war is the truth and this one has been no exception. La Voz de Aztlan obtained a copy of the video showing the beheading of American Nick Berg of Philadelphia and immediately something very odd was readily apparent. Not only were the purported screams of Nick Berg not in synchrony with the decapitation but their was also a total lack of blood spurting out as his jugular and other veins and arteries were being cut.

We forwarded the video to Doctor Raul Castro Guevara, a surgeon and forensic expert in Mexico City for his expert opinion. He wrote back and commented, "No hay manera que el individuo en el video estaba vivo y su corazon funcionando cuando le estaban cortando la cabeza. En estos casos, el corazon impela sangre con gran presion, y se corta las arterias del pezqueso, hay una gran cantidad de sangre que salpica por todos lados. En mi opinion el video es un fraude."

Doctor Raul Castro Guevara is saying that there is no way that the individual in the video was alive and his heart pumping while his neck was being cut. The doctor adds that in these cases, while the heart is pumping, cutting a person artery in the neck, would cause copious amounts of blood to spurt all over the immediate environment. He says that in his opinion the video is a fraud.

We hope that our readers view the video and see for themselves. We will provide a copy to any of our subscribers that have been supportive of our publication. Send a request to La Voz de Aztlan at [email protected]

If you are able to view the video, please pay close attention to the five so called Al queda terrorists making the political statement. Look at their height, weight, skin color and their mannerisms. Do you think these people are Arabs or Iraqis?

La Voz de Aztlan
http://www.aztlan.net/fake_video.htm

http://www.rense.com/general52/decap.htm


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[thatCHEr]

I personally would like an apology from the leaders of the major Islamic denominations and churches, and condemnation of anyone who supports these acts.
Just like how the prisoner abuse in Iraq has been condemned by Bush and Blair.

That may go some way to reduce the hostility to Islam in general caused by this video.

Of course, no Islamic groups have yet condemned the acts. How suprising.

[BOZG]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 07:39 AM
I agree neonate, they should have used a sword or something. That said, it only took like 15 seconds. All in all, probably a better death than a heart attack or a car crash.
Actually it you look at the clock in the corner, it takes more. The video freezes and skips ahead at one stage.

[mEds]

Thatcher lol. I want an apology. well, will an apology really fix things? fucking moron.

[thatCHEr]

It will show that Muslims in general do not approve of murdering an innocent civilian, or torturing them. I would say that yes that will help, currently Islam has a somewhat bad image you might say, because of things like this.

Read>Comprehend>Post. I&#39;m repeating what I said previously, oh what a moron I be.

[Loknar]

We have no idea how long it took this man to die. For all we know when he stopped screaming when his vocal cords were cut.

[SittingBull47]

sadly i&#39;m somewhat desensitized to the graphic violence. thanks alot, tv. But nonetheless it is vile.

[thatCHEr]

It isnt as bloody as TV or movie violence, yeah. It&#39;s knowing that it&#39;s real, and not just special effects which disturbs me the most. I certainly won&#39;t be watching it again, thats for sure.

[Saint-Just]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 10:02 PM
We are just animals - people seem to forget this. The destruction of a human being is no different to that of an animal. In comparison to the treatment &#39;civilised people&#39; give animals, this is nothing. There is far more &#39;gore&#39; available in the real world if you&#39;d care to look.
Humans are social animals. We are a more important being than animals because we have developed social relations that they have not. Humans exist at a far higher level of consciousness. And because we can understand things they cannot, about such things as this, death, we should feel a lot more when we see a human die as opposed to an animal.

When a human dies it is much more than the biological extinguishing of a life.