Global Justice

[j.guevara]

I read this book the other day and I found Che's hopes to create a new man to be kinda frightening. He seemed to envision a uniform society, it seemed very totalitarianistic. I think Im with Che as far as anti-imperialism but not his communism. Im not a fan of worshipping the state and vanguardism.

[emmissary]

Che expected his fellow man to be dedicated to ones own development and pursuit of knowledge. A better or "ideal" man was one that held the improvement of society a number one prioty. Che worked the sugar fields because he thought that would benefit his society or his plans for a communist state. he expected that every person would have the same prioties. I must agree with him that it is important to concern ourselves with the improvement of each other. That together we can create a society empty of greed and a need for "things" and material wealth. That is what is important. No pursuit is more important that the pursuit of knowledge.

[Kurai Tsuki]

By, "new man," Che was referring more to being productive, as he himself was being. But yes he was a bit of a secularist regarding the Cuban government. He gave a speech at a university where he talked about the advantages of universities reducing their autonomy for the good of the revolution.

[Fidelbrand]

"nuevo tipo humano" is nothing about totalitarianism, it's about voluntariness added in the lives of the people. Material incentive will be gradually replaced by co-operative/communal incentive in order to build a stronger society, in material (result of non-selfish but abundunt production)and spiritual sense~ ok? ;)

[fernando]

It is known that Che was very hard on himself, he worked 24/7, and for an asthmatic that is very intense I think. And he wanted everybody to be like this, to work hard, not for money, but to better the world I think...(yes the world would be one big socialist globe then)

[j.guevara]

well, that sounds lovely in theory but I think it's nothing more than authoritarianism. Noble intentions but I just can't see it.

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

if Che pursued independent thinking and one's 'quest for knowledge'...why would he be a commie?

I mean...doesnt communism suppress individual thought...and the lengths that it can go? knowledge is power right...i mean, one could even lead a revolt against one's gov't with certain knowledge.

[Kurai Tsuki]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2004, 02:18 PM
It is known that Che was very hard on himself, he worked 24/7, and for an asthmatic that is very intense I think.
Yes, that's connected to one of the things that strengthen his character, that he was an asthmatic and was far from perfect, but at the same time he worked hard to improve himself and help others.

I try to remember that as I try to read and learn more, even though I have ADD -_-

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2004, 02:38 PM
well, that sounds lovely in theory but I think it's nothing more than authoritarianism. Noble intentions but I just can't see it.
when gradual evolution of socialism --> communism-->then, annarchism takes place, any forms of state apparatus will fade itself.

Talking about authoritarianism, don't you think that the capitalist system is more authoritarian in an invisible way in that consumerism and democracy under it can do shit to intervene the free market mechanism? what's more authoritarian that a system ruling us, is dehumanizing... we are like robots linked to the market mentality. Give it a think, my friend.