The Left has forgotten 9-11

[Crusader 4 da truth]

Hi I haven’t posted in a while been busy, but I need a left wing point of view on a project I’m working on for a digital media class I’m taking. It’s a flash file I created about 9-11. I really want your honest reactions so pm me if you don’t want to post it publicly.

Basically I’m presenting this to a class full of left wingers and it would be nice to have an heads up on what their reactions are going to be.

http://www.geocities.com/____james_bond/

thanks

[DaCuBaN]

Unfavourable ;)

It's not too bad from a lw pov - but there is little substance within it. Might I ask the purpose of it? IE for what kind of class and what subject is this required?

[Crusader 4 da truth]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 08:39 PM
Unfavourable ;)

It's not too bad from a lw pov - but there is little substance within it. Might I ask the purpose of it? IE for what kind of class and what subject is this required?
Actually I'd prefer responses form American Commies no offense but my audience is going to be a class of American Commies. Not that I think there is much of a difference between Communists but a US lib might feel 9-11 a little differently.

The class is non-political it just deals with using Flash, to create multimedia content. The purpose of my movie is not advocacy; it’s not trying to prove a point. It’s just a reminder of the events of that time sort of a web memorial if you will.

I’m not concerned about my grade in the class, I am not asking for design help. I’m just curious how people respond emotionally to it? Where you moved? Did it make you angry? Or in your case ambivalent. But most of all please try and be specific; example “It made me feel uneasy because it casts Bush in a positive light”


Thanks

[EneME]

My first thought was "yuck" to tell you the truth....the beginning I liked because it focused on the events at hand, the occurance of that tragic day. It was a strange day in the U$, I have to admit it. All the flags bothered me, the NYPD/FDNY images bothered me, the word "slaughter" was way out of context and what did it in for me were the tears on Bush. This was a sad event and I feel for the families of those 3,000 ppl who perished, but its NOT ALL ABOUT THE U$A....Americans aren't better than the thousands of Iraqui's and Afghan's that the U$A has slaughtered (not out of context here) without a tear from Bush's eye. I feel for those ppl, but I also feel for the poor around the world who are dying SLOWLY and watching their children die SLOWLY from starvation and the effects of Globalization and Imperialism. I know 3,000 lives were lost, but then I think about the 75,000 ppl that the U$A/Bush/Reagan administrations helped literally SLAUGHTER during the 80's in El Salvador...and seriously, it has no comparison...and THATS something I won't forget either...

[HankMorgan]

Crusader, check out the spelling on "decide" just before "Let's Roll".

Good Luck.

[RedCeltic]

It seemed like pretty unimaginitive... over done propaganda that we have seen over and over again, trying to yet again! use the tragic loss of my fellow New Yorkers as a method to push some political agenda.

[DaCuBaN]

I love it :lol: I give my liberal opinion on it without being harsh so he asks for americans - they come along and slate it harder'n I did :D

Classic stuff ;)

[Guest1]

I'm gonna withold judgement, I'll just give you some pointers instead.

First, hank's right, spelling mistake.

Second, crop all those pictures and get rid of the white borders, it's really annoying and sloppy to leave them there.

Third, get rid of the curly, fancy font at the end, it's offensive and way inappropriate considering the circumstances to use such a frizzy font. Especially such an ugly one. Stick to something more brutish and more bold, because this was a harsh and serious event, not a barbie commercial.

Fourth, make sure you get this on a cd or something, don't try to show it from the internet during class. Geocities sometimes blocks your account for an hour when too many people access your page, it would suck if you tried to put it up on the projecter only to find out geocities had shut you down.

[Invictus]

What is the song playing in the background?

[Dottie Commie]

My recommendation is to swap that link for this one http://www.troho.com/issues/2003-10-14/chile.html

We've heard enough about 'Bush's Reichstag Fire'. As tragic as 9/11 2001 was, it's no more tragic as the countless other terrorist acts that have been commited. And American terrorism makes 9/11 look like a picnic. The Pentagon and the Twin Towers were symbols of American imperialism and power. Nothing justifies what happened though. But you can see why they were targetted. Can you explain why America bombed a Sudanese Medical plant, wiping out half of the country's medical supplies? Can you explain why America bombed the crap out of Afghanistan and Iraq because some Saudis bombed the US? I can't make sense out of 9/11, but I sure as hell can't make sense out of Amerikkka's stupid foreign policy!

[AC-Socialist]

Can I just ask. Why cant we forget?

[elijahcraig]

My view of 9-11? Reactionary result to a consistent destruction of human life and rights across the face of the earth since the beginning of growth of Capitalism in America.

[mEds]

WW2 WAS WORSE THAN "9/11". no fucking comparison. the german blitzkrieg into poland was far worse. russian treatment to germans was worse bla bla bla. dumb fucking morons who believe anything and are extremely reactionary in the u.s. believe all the TRASH the media serves. fucking idiots.

[Crusader 4 da truth]

Thanks for the input, its been illustrative. The song in the background is from the motion picture Glory.

Well unfortunately, I’m not going to have Internet access this summer so I’ll have to post again in the fall when the semester starts. Have a good summer.
:D

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

It's not The Left who has forgotten 11-9. It's your beloved President who doesn't want the truth revealed. It's the President that you support who doesn't want to cooperate in investgations regarding 11-9. It's your terrorist who feels sorrow witht the victims of 11-9 and then sends hunderds of thousands of people in to war. Killing tens of thousands of citizens.

[Invictus]

The song in the background is from the motion picture Glory.

It sounds almost exactly like Carl Orff's "Carmina Burana".

[Saint-Just]

Have you studied Propaganda? Since I think it is very good. The overall feeling is not of tragedy but of victory, in that sense I think everything was done exactly right.

[thatCHEr]

NEVAR FORGET!!

Hey non-sectarian bastard did you respond to my post in 'politics' about whether civilian death tolls were important or not? It's dissappeared off the front page, and I cant reply in that thread now anyway.

[mEds]

I will forget 9/11 except what the americans did. I will always remember world war two.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 08:15 PM
NEVAR FORGET!!

Hey non-sectarian bastard did you respond to my post in 'politics' about whether civilian death tolls were important or not? It's dissappeared off the front page, and I cant reply in that thread now anyway.
I don't think so. If you can find the topic, I'd be happy to reply.

And yes each and every human is important.

[thatCHEr]

I will forget 9/11 except what the americans did. I will always remember world war two.
What the Americans did? You mean die?? I'm fairly sure thats the main part of 9/11, brother, so really you're not forgetting it.

[thatCHEr]

http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=24495&hl=
Non-sectarian bastard

[Saint-Just]

Originally posted by Crusader 4 da truth+May 11 2004, 01:58 AM--> (Crusader 4 da truth @ May 11 2004, 01:58 AM)
[email protected] 10 2004, 08:39 PM
Unfavourable ;)

It's not too bad from a lw pov - but there is little substance within it. Might I ask the purpose of it? IE for what kind of class and what subject is this required?
Actually I'd prefer responses form American Commies no offense but my audience is going to be a class of American Commies. Not that I think there is much of a difference between Communists but a US lib might feel 9-11 a little differently. [/b]
By the way, liberals are not communists. And, people on this site are not liberals. You are more of a liberal since you are probably a classic liberal, like George W. Bush.

[thatCHEr]

How is George Bush a liberal? Socially the republicans are conservative, and economically they're for government intervention. These are both the alternate policies to liberalism.

[Saint-Just]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2004, 04:39 PM
How is George Bush a liberal? Socially the republicans are conservative, and economically they're for government intervention. These are both the alternate policies to liberalism.
Economically they are against government intervention. This is concurrent with classic liberalism.

EDIT: In fact there is no point arguing this. I do accept that from your viewpoint Bush accepts to much government intervention to be totally committed to the free market.

[Eastside Revolt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2004, 04:39 PM
How is George Bush a liberal? Socially the republicans are conservative, and economically they're for government intervention. These are both the alternate policies to liberalism.
LOL! Conservative

More like radical right-wing.

What are they looking to conserve?! Looks to me like they're trying to bring us socially back to the middle ages.

[Eastside Revolt]

For 9-11

My dad stormed into my room laughing his ass off, at like 6 or 7 in the morning, to tell me that planes had flown into the wtc and pentagon. He was trying to get me up to watch it with him. But I had had maybe a couple hours of sleep at that point, and not even this got me out of bed. When I went back to sleep I thought to myself that If some type of insurrection were taking place that there was nothing I could do about it, and I might aswell catch some zzzzzzzz's.

[che's long lost daughter]

I can sense that there is something about the whole "we will never forget" thing. I am not from America but I really feel sorry for what happened, for all the lives that were lost. But the only thing I can say is that George W. Bush is the ultimate hypocritical lot. Those teary eyes, the sad face, it makes me cringe. Meanwhile, I have to go to the toilet, seeing Bush that way stimulated my vagus nerve and the chemoreceptor site of my brain's medulla oblongata, I have to throw up.

[mEds]

democrats in the u.s. usually lean slightly right. republicans lean far right. fascism is just a step away from republicanism. and ignorance and greed for that matter. marxists like myself are basically very far left but i do not believe in democracy because most people are indeed stupid. if a people can so whole-heartedly belive in nazi germany back in the 1930's or in the united states than, most people are dumb and cannot be trusted in a democracy. therefore, a marxist regime should take over that promotes civil liberty, freedom of expression but in no way should an un-intelligible lazy fatass have a say in government. Unless, of course he eventually decides to educate himself.

[Daniel Karssenberg]

"ignorance and greed for that matter"

I see no less ignorance or greed in the blatant and blind flaming happening on this forum, if people follow a certain cause be it Capitalism or Communism and are propagandised by it, and encouraged by people who as well have been propagandised or just see it as their own interest to make kids want to struggle for something they do not want.

Greed is natural and human, without greed, taking one's life would be no problem as life is (valuable) property.