Jay-Z compares himself to Che

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

Dunno if anyone here has heard Jay-Z's song called 'Public Service Announcement', but in the 2nd verse he states:

"I'm like Che Guevara with bling on"

Grr...I hate when multi-million dollar capitalists compare themselves with such a dignified rebel who went against their capitalist ways. Anyone else find this statement bold and rash?

[Forward Union]

Yes,!,
I know the exact emotion you are feeling. But don't worry, no one ever listens to people that say things like that since they are talking a load of bull. He obviously dosnt know who Che was, otherwise he wouldn't say such a thing. It gets me wound up when people act like this....do you have this guys house adress by any chance?

[Nani]

its sucks!!!
i dont get it....

[Raisa]

Che Guevara with bling on.

HahahahaHAHhah ha ha h HA what an asshole!

But seriously kids, Ché is cool now!

[Intifada]

LOL! :lol:

but what a dickhead.

[RedAnarchist]

If Che is "cool", then this Jay-Z guy is using Che's name to act cool. He using Che's name as a brand, whilst most likely nothing nothing about the revolutionary Che was.

[j.guevara]

he says "im like che guevara with bling on, im complex" jay-z is an idiot but it doesnt make me angry... who cares, i think it's funny. On top of that 99% percent of his listeners probably were like who the fuck is che guevara.

[seen_che]

Dunno if anyone here has heard Jay-Z's song called 'Public Service Announcement', but in the 2nd verse he states:

Dident know....i dont listen to that CRAP



DAMN Jay-Z is STUPID

[RedAnarchist]

hopefully those 99.9% will research Che and like him for what he did and who he was

[che's long lost daughter]

I have nothing against black people or rap but I think most rap artists (most of whom are black), make music that are only about money or sex. Someone in the music forum also said the similar thing. Plus, the videos they show make women look like they are just sex objects. Dancing almost wearing nothing, rubbing bodies with people. The videos make women look dirty. Che treated woman with so much respect. And now one of these artists is saying that he is like Che. Isn't he ashamed of what he is saying?

It's interesting though to see Che with a bling-bling.

[Wiesty]

im amazed that the afrikan american poulation of thw world hasnt shaped up in the last 20 years. There marching free rights movements but at the same time there causing most of the murders and crimes out there. Not to mention they have to sing about nothing. And at the same time there complaing there not being treated right

[Individual]

You all are ignorant!

Ig-ner-int.

Jay-Z is a rebel! My idol, and hero of the community of Brooklyn! He has every last right to relate himself with Mr. Guevara, and I idolize that man, Jay-Z.

You all can bark up a different tree, Jay-Z is my idol.

[Subversive Pessimist]

No we're not ignorant. Jay-Z are. He hasn't gone through what Che did. He use Guevara to promote himself!

[EneME]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 08:41 PM
You all are ignorant!

Ig-ner-int.

Jay-Z is a rebel! My idol, and hero of the community of Brooklyn! He has every last right to relate himself with Mr. Guevara, and I idolize that man, Jay-Z.

You all can bark up a different tree, Jay-Z is my idol.
plz tell me you're not serious kyle.... :unsure:

[DaCuBaN]

:lol: :unsure: :lol:

I don't care if he's joking or not: it made me laugh like hell either way ;)

TY

[Hampton]

im amazed that the afrikan american poulation of thw world hasnt shaped up in the last 20 years.

You'd thing being the first people of the world would have been enough, you just gotta keep on raising the bar don't ya? It's funny that it has to be the african population that has to shape up, can I hear anothing amazing critique of another culture, pretty please?


There marching free rights movements but at the same time there causing most of the murders and crimes out there.

The freedom marches were like 40 years ago man. Keep on watching cops and believe what you wrote, you'll lead a happy life until you open your eyes and see the way the media portrays young black men in the world. I guess it'd be a shock to know that they don't sell the most drugs either, they just get arrested for it the majority of the time.


Not to mention they have to sing about nothing.

Of course, they are the only ones making that music, they have nothing good to say except about drugs and sex, typical mindset if you ask me.

Bullshit. (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=24122)


And at the same time there complaing there not being treated right

I wonder why, over a million in jail, but I guess they deserve it. Watch out! There's one behind you!


I have nothing against black people or rap but I think most rap artists (most of whom are black), make music that are only about money or sex.

That's just the pop rap that's on MTV and other places, real hip hop(Immortal Technqiue, Mr. Lif, Dead Prez, People Under the Stairs, Little Brother, Paris) has nothing to do with it.

[Individual]

plz tell me you're not serious kyle....

You are Ig-ner-int! Jay-Z is the greatest! He is the freer of the people, a true revolutionary. Unlike that petty Guevara, putting his picture everywhere promoting his cause.


Watch out! There's one behind you!

Where!

Geez Hampton, don't scare me like that. You know, those afrikan american poulations should really shape up.

:wacko:

[elijahcraig]

AlwaysQuestion, you are an idiot if you aren't being sarcastic.



I dislike rap for the most part, which has become taken over by big business as all forms of art in capitalist society. Hampton named some good rap artists, who aren't capitalist sellouts of their race.



I am white, so I feel ridiculous acting like I listen to rap a lot though. I listen to Public Enemy, Dead Prez, and a few other artists. Other than that, I don't. Where's the black Rap Wagner?

[Hiero]

che's long lost daughter and Wiesty.

Fools. Ok you know how capitalism is like bad? Ok well you know how it cause unemployment right? And you know america is a really racist country and it hasnt been that long since Negros got rights? And you know how there is a thing called mainstream media and they are owned by capitalist? and you know how there is like a millions white middle class kids that think black people are there entertainment and they think crime is cool?

Well obviously you dont know all this and you have not yet shaken off your parents and grand parents racist and pseudo racist teachings and still believe in the american dream.

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

Comrade Neonate, I couldn't have said it better myself...

If you're going out to attack a whole nation of ppl, you've got another thing coming man. The same ppl that say they idolize Che are the same ones being racist right now...

I dunno if those who made racial comments ever read the fact that Che went to Africa to fight for socialism. He was very egalitarian, something you racial folk need to understand.

Dont preach Che's name until you know the man.

Crap man...I feel like a moron for bringing this topic up, I didnt know it'd spark such biggotry..

Are ppl gonna stigmatize me b/c i'm not white? Sorry for being west indian, didnt know my ppl gave you such a bad picture. -_-

"They made us hate ourselves and love their wealth." - Kanye West

[SittingBull47]

god. that's stupid. Jay-Z comparing himself to somebody he most likely knows nothing about. Unfortunately I've heard Che's name in at least 3 hip-hop/rap songs so far this year.

[cyd]

i'm not rasist but......only kiddin im wiv 666, neonate and hampton.
che's long lost blah blah get a new name girl! u talk out ur arse, u come on a socialist website and show ur true colours. i bet she's a little rich girl tryin to rebel against her parents.

i love jayz, i tink he's talented, inovative and full of charisma. not to keen on his missus

[pyrrhassorrow]

Originally posted by che's long lost [email protected] 11 2004, 10:29 AM
I have nothing against black people or rap but I think most rap artists (most of whom are black), make music that are only about money or sex.
If you had nothing against black people then you wouldn't have played that card.

[mEds]

i lsiten to rap because it's the only thing with good beats nowadays. I do agree though, that most rap is trash. And i have been listening to rap for eleven years.

[Purple]

HAHA!! ©-RAP!

[Le Libérer]

Maybe Jay-Zs self proclaimed rebel like CHe, seems abit far fetched and it is... the bling bling thing proves that.

Who knows? Maybe Jay-z listeners will start asking " who the hell is CHe Guerverra? Now that would be a good thing.

And for all you white posters, if you dont think Blacks are still being "kept down by the white man" you really are still living a Leave it to Beaver life.

[Kurai Tsuki]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 04:32 PM
i'm not rasist but......only kiddin im wiv 666, neonate and hampton.
che's long lost blah blah get a new name girl! u talk out ur arse, u come on a socialist website and show ur true colours. i bet she's a little rich girl tryin to rebel against her parents.

i love jayz, i tink he's talented, inovative and full of charisma. not to keen on his missus
Just a suggestion..run your postings through Word to check the spellings before posting on this site. I tink dat wud be gud.

[cyd]

fuk u

[RAGE:C]

What an idiot.

[RedAnarchist]

Cyd, your verbosity is so sophisticated and immense&#33; <_<


I&#39;m not a fan of Jay-Z or his genre, but that does not mean it is inferior music. If you dont like it, dont listen to it. If you do, enjoy it as much as you want.

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

good point XPhile. Music is music, enjoy whatever you fancy...

I just think that the statement Jay-Z made was pretty strong comin from someone who&#39;s quest in life is to make money and nothing more. I cant even see similarities btwn him n&#39; Che at all...

[emmissary]

One has to look at Jay-Z career and the message he has been sending throughout his career. Jay feels that he has been a revolutionary in the battle of mainstream rap. Starting his own label with money he earned on the streets, Jay was able to defeat the "imperialism" of the major record labels. I can definetly understand why he compares himself with Che.

[che's long lost daughter]

Originally posted by comrade [email protected] 12 2004, 05:41 AM
che&#39;s long lost daughter and Wiesty.

Fools. Ok you know how capitalism is like bad? Ok well you know how it cause unemployment right? And you know america is a really racist country and it hasnt been that long since Negros got rights? And you know how there is a thing called mainstream media and they are owned by capitalist? and you know how there is like a millions white middle class kids that think black people are there entertainment and they think crime is cool?

Well obviously you dont know all this and you have not yet shaken off your parents and grand parents racist and pseudo racist teachings and still believe in the american dream.
If I am a racist, then fuck the American Dream. There is nothing racist about what I said. I just said that the music that black people make is all about sex and money. It is the music I am against, not the people altogether.

[che's long lost daughter]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 04:32 PM
i&#39;m not rasist but......only kiddin im wiv 666, neonate and hampton.
che&#39;s long lost blah blah get a new name girl&#33; u talk out ur arse, u come on a socialist website and show ur true colours. i bet she&#39;s a little rich girl tryin to rebel against her parents.

i love jayz, i tink he&#39;s talented, inovative and full of charisma. not to keen on his missus
Don&#39;t talk to me using that stupid sms grammar. For one, I am not rich. If I were, I would buy you all the bling-blings in the world so that you could hang them in your neck until it breaks. And whatever made you think I am rebelling against my parents?

[mEds]

umm. jay-z used to be authentic. volume 2? remmeber that cd. that was tight but his new stuff is trash. most c&#39;d nowadays only have about 3 good songs.

[Wiesty]

Rap only appeals to me if it is meaning full, now adays all the rap is crap about smoking and weed and robbing people and having street wars, The kinda good rap is that R&B/Hip hop
where the words ryhme but they actually mean something

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

rap is essentially supposed to be poetry from the have-nots, or the working class living in the slums of major cities. Where politicians come, put up a welfare building or a basketball court and show they care. Hah, its just a sad plea for votes if you ask me.

It&#39;s what we&#39;re fed - what plays on BET or MTV, or whatever is bubble-gum rap, mostly bling bling and booty. The essential rap is its roots and those today that still hold true to the same voice cry. If you want to accurately judge rap, you have to understand that its propoganda you&#39;re being fed by mainstream culture, and to significantly assess the music by taking a deeper look.

Artists such as :

Nas
Talib Kweli
2pac
Notorious BIG
Pharohe Monch
DJ Hi Tek
Mood

help us realise how deep rap is supposed to be. You cant judge a book by its cover. Give rap music its justice, or dont comment about it at all.

[h&s]

As you said rap (even though i hate it) is the music of the working classes, so whoever comes on this site and starts denouncing it is obviously confused about their political views.
However, I do think that the current breed of rappers are worrying. I am not saying this like one of those white middle-class Americans living in the suburbs who think if they can&#39;t see or hear something, it doesn&#39;t exist. I am saying this from a political point of view as I do not like the way people like Jay-Z(ed) (I refuse to pronounce things the American way) go on about how much money, how many rediculously expensive cars, and how many girls they have got. This is being right-wing, so for Jay Zee to compare himself to Ernesto is a contradiction, especially when he says he is Guevara with "Bling." That is a massive contradiction as "Bling" is about showing your wealth, the exact opposite of what Marxism is about.

[Hybrid v9]

I think what Jay Z is trying to say in this is that he is a revolutionary. Not a political one like Che was, but a revolutionary of a different manor. You guys keep saying "He probably doesn&#39;t even know who Che is&#33;" but I bet you he knows more about Che than you do. And I am sure he wouldn&#39;t make a comparrison without much consideration. Jay Z isn&#39;t some shmuck some that some music company gave a mic to and said "You are now a famous rapper&#33;" he worked hard to where he is now, and I think you need to show him some respect. You all (communists) act like you are a superior race or something, when really you are no better than any other free-loading capitalist governed citizen.

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

oh plz Hybrid, this has nothing to do with Jay-z&#39;s career, I&#39;m just saying that this multi-million dollar money grabber is comparing him to someone who opposed capitalism greatly.

You view us as &#39;communists&#39;, with whatever justification you&#39;ve bestowed on every member here. I&#39;m not a commie, but I do try to stay conscious about what my (Canadian) gov&#39;t does.

Jay-Z will never be in the same category as Che - Che was too inspirational, too deep and simply put, too damn smart. Not saying that Jay-z&#39;s stupid, just that he shouldnt run his mouth about who he thinks he is.

Its like the devil saying &#39;i&#39;m Jesus with fire around my neck&#39;.

[Dsunsetlover]

jay z like Che?............NEVER&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

[Le Libérer]

Originally posted by Knowledge 6 6 [email protected] 17 2004, 01:16 PM

Its like the devil saying &#39;i&#39;m Jesus with fire around my neck&#39;.
Very good analogy, K666, I could see it too, the devil saying that. :D

[h&s]

You all (communists) act like you are a superior race or something, when really you are no better than any other free-loading capitalist governed citizen.

No I don&#39;t. I&#39;m just saying that some twat like Jay Zee who only ever goes on about materialistic things can&#39;t compare himself to someone who wasn&#39;t at all interested in those things.
And so what if he worked hard to get where he is? It still doesn&#39;t mean that he deserves all of that money.
Has he worked harder than some factory worker who works themselves into the ground just to get the minimum wage?
No. He doesn&#39;t deserve that money, and if he dares to go on about what conditions are like in "tha hood," then surely he could give it all away to give people a better life?

[pyrrhassorrow]

That&#39;s exactly right...if things are so bad for ppl and if JayZ considers himself to be such a revolutionary then why isn&#39;t he giving to the poor and spending his money on making the world better. I&#39;m sick of everyone throwing around the term revolutionary like it can apply. He&#39;s a revolutionary cause he changed rap...who cares??? That didn&#39;t change the world. He&#39;s a talented rapper but he&#39;s just a rapper.

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

Yeah I totally feel you guys on this, ppl love proclaiming themselves as &#39;revolutionaries&#39;.

You know, Che never once thought of himself like that, and i think he summed it up best on his last words on earth by saying &#39;shoot coward, you are only going to kill a man&#39;. Che viewed himself as just a man, nothing more.

You know, when Bob Marley started making millions, he would go out onto the streets of trenchtown and sit at a table, then he&#39;d give handouts (food rations, etc) to single mothers struggling to get by. He helped a few thousand single mothers...That&#39;s why many today call him a revolutionary.

Jay-Z will never be in the likes of Che or Bob. To me, he&#39;ll just be another rapper makin his money, while payin less attention to the streets that raised him. Sure he&#39;ll use it in his rhymes, and maybe even shoot a video in the &#39;ghetto&#39; - but you know what...he&#39;ll still be living in a mansion gated away from the &#39;hood&#39;, and have multiple houses all over america. The likes of himself should never compare to the likes of Ernesto - they&#39;re on 2 totally different sides of the spectrum.

[Fidelbrand]

Fuck you Jay-Z , u r the first one to be purged if the cultural revolution comes back....... caution&#33;

[Essential Insignificance]

Fuck you Jay-Z , u r the first one to be purged if the cultural revolution comes back....... caution&#33;

Cultural revolution...what. :lol:

[corruptwesterner90]

Why would Communists be thinking they are the superior race when that is exactly what they don&#39;t believe in and fight against? :ph34r:

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by Essential [email protected] 19 2004, 05:27 AM

Fuck you Jay-Z , u r the first one to be purged if the cultural revolution comes back....... caution&#33;

Cultural revolution...what. :lol:
yes, something like this..
http://www.1930shanghai.com/items/105598/picture4.jpg

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 07:07 AM
Why would Communists be thinking they are the superior race when that is exactly what they don&#39;t believe in and fight against? :ph34r:
LOL&#33; So true...

[h&s]

Yeah, some people just don&#39;t understand at all. :angry:

[RevoltNOW]

Personally anyone who claimes to be a revolutionary is an egotistical a&#036;&#036;hole and jay-z revolutionized what exactly how can he even compare himself to such a great man :angry:

[refuse_resist]

All Jay-Z ever sings about is how much money he makes from rapping and is another materialistic artist.

[pandora]

The most play he ever got was when he wore his Che T-Shirt so now he wants to be Che, to impress his pretty girlfriend who seems, ...bored.
So he wants to excite the ladies and play revolutionary.
Great, give all your profits to inner city youth liberation activities babee.
Oh yah and say hello to J-Lo

[Pawn Power]

that is sad and it is fucking disgusting

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

i know pandora, its like, being a revolutionary has become fashionable, as opposed to giving one&#39;s heart to the struggle. i dont get it man...i guess jay-z&#39;s one of those ppl that walk around with che shirts without knowin jack about the man, lol.

[Sloth]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 02:20 PM
he says "im like che guevara with bling on, im complex" jay-z is an idiot but it doesnt make me angry... who cares, i think it&#39;s funny. On top of that 99% percent of his listeners probably were like who the fuck is che guevara.
That is because they are all illiterate blacks in the United States.

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

Listen Sloth, you can take your racist views elsewhere, I love rap music, especially conscious stuff. I was just pointing out who Jay-Z is trying to compare himself to..

So dont bring your racial views into this. It has nothing to do with race, but what some rapper is proclaiming.

[Hampton]

That is because they are all illiterate blacks in the United States.

I&#39;m pretty sure Jay Z can read...the verdict of you intelligence on the other hand is still out.

[fuerzasocialista]

Jay-Z doesn&#39;t know who El Che was in my honest opinion. For some reason I feel he just heard somebody talk about him and threw into his rhyme...


The only rappers that I know that carried Marxist views was Digable Planets.

[demonio comunista]

in this store at our mall, its called StreetWear. its basically where they sell all the cool clothes that all the cool "rappers" wear. which i dont have a problem with the store because I love Dickies and they have a whole back wall full of Dickies. i was walkin out the store and i saw a WHOLE rack full of Che shirts. there were all these different ones. i think I will still one so I wont be contributing to the stupid capitalists&#39; money.

[DaCuBaN]

Originally posted by Sloth+May 22 2004, 02:33 AM--> (Sloth &#064; May 22 2004, 02:33 AM)
[email protected] 11 2004, 02:20 PM
he says "im like che guevara with bling on, im complex" jay-z is an idiot but it doesnt make me angry... who cares, i think it&#39;s funny. On top of that 99% percent of his listeners probably were like who the fuck is che guevara.
That is because they are all illiterate blacks in the United States. [/b]

unacceptable comment I&#39;m afraid. I hope for your sake you were intimating that all Jay-Z&#39;s listeners are black, illiterate and American rather than grouping a whole race into one...

If the latter I feel it may go hard for you here <_< Not to mention the first and third points, if this is what you intended, are of no relevance.

I&#39;ve never bothered to listen to Jay-Z before. Life really does get a lot better once the television and radio are thrown away :) These silly little things just stop bothering you ;)

*DaCuBaN departs to put his head in the sand*

[Nas]

its vey hard for me to be without music

[Jesus Christ]

its just a stupid song... calm down

[Left_Winged_Brownie]

Being a black female (or african american female if we must go there) and learning about Che in such a racist state has been pretty intersting for me. The funny thing about all of the racist quotes is that they spit nonsense. The question was about Jay-Z who is ONE black man... LET ME REPEAT... ONE BLACK MAN in the world who happened to have a line about che in his rap. That doesnt give anyone the right to catagorize myself or other black people into the group of being gang banging, no talent hoodlums who havent shaped up since the 1960&#39;s.

How could people love this great revolutionary, who fought for the rights of other people including AFRICANS while in the congo, and yet say such racist things. The focus is on ONE man and this one line in his rap.. not the whole race itself.

Its funny because the bigots on here who spit such words truly havent been able grasp the full concept in Che&#39;s Ideals. They apparently never did understand the man who had love for all oppressed people.. race and color mattering none&#33;

As for the person who sparked this conversation... nothing towards you. Unfortunately there seem to be bigots everywhere..even here

[h&s]

Safe&#33;
Sloth has been banned&#33;
That might have been something to do with me reporting all of his racist comments.......&#33;

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 02:15 AM
Being a black female (or african american female if we must go there) and learning about Che in such a racist state has been pretty intersting for me. The funny thing about all of the racist quotes is that they spit nonsense. The question was about Jay-Z who is ONE black man... LET ME REPEAT... ONE BLACK MAN in the world who happened to have a line about che in his rap. That doesnt give anyone the right to catagorize myself or other black people into the group of being gang banging, no talent hoodlums who havent shaped up since the 1960&#39;s.

How could people love this great revolutionary, who fought for the rights of other people including AFRICANS while in the congo, and yet say such racist things. The focus is on ONE man and this one line in his rap.. not the whole race itself.

Its funny because the bigots on here who spit such words truly havent been able grasp the full concept in Che&#39;s Ideals. They apparently never did understand the man who had love for all oppressed people.. race and color mattering none&#33;

As for the person who sparked this conversation... nothing towards you. Unfortunately there seem to be bigots everywhere..even here
yeah, i didnt think this topic would spark racism...but I just remember that those who say racial slurs are not really left-wing...but probably just say they are for some sort of acceptance.

I&#39;m west indian, so i took offense to it as well...but whatever, I cant control everyone&#39;s views...nor should i try to. I&#39;m happy living my life the way it is, i have no time for those who cannot factor beyond the pigmentation of one&#39;s skin.

Whatever. :)

[Hasta Siempre Comandante]

I can&#39;t believe what I&#39;m reading&#33;&#33;&#33; First of all, Jay-Z shouldn&#39;t comapre himself to Che or put himself in the same category- there is no comparison- last time I saw a Jay-z video he was flashing girls, cars and jewelry... Che gave his life- he scarificed his LIFE to end imperialism and yet Jay Z calls himself Che?&#33;

BUT WHAT MAKES ME SICK is that half the people that responded to this topic are racist and bigots&#33; All you who had racist comments to say should get the ^&*% out of the Che-Lives community because you obviously have no idea what the man was about- you have no idea what the revolution was and is about&#33; How can anyone scream out Che Lives- and yet say racist comments?

[Chad King]

Im also not diggin&#39; on how people have stereotypes around the music form itself... given that mainstream rap is indeed crap, but (in my opinion) so is any mainstream marketed music. Thats why Im an indie kid&#33; I do like rap, Im a huge Del tha&#39; Funky Homosapien fan and Saul Williams fan, altho theyre not rap as most people know it, theyre more slam poet than anything, they definitely have rap based roots.

So yeah... dont use mainstream media that is placed in front of you to base a decision about a part of the American life.

And I agree, life is indeed better with no TV and no radio stations playing at my house.

[Xuix]

its funny how even people in the commie club have said bigoted remarks, and yet they are still allowed to be in the commie club.

[Phuck Fu]

whata jerkov

[Anarchist Freedom]

hampton considering your first post. im not racist what soever and i never will be. But the african american population from what i can tell around me shows no ambition to get ahead. i know this may sound racist but im stating a point considering i live in the detroit area. You have to realize its not the white man keeping him down its his own laziness and general unwillingness to get ahead. Also they listen to very very very explicit lyrics that are placing women into a category of Ho&#39;s& *****s where getting a blowjob partying smoking bud getting (crunked in the club) is more important that your needs that are required to uphold.Hampton also i see many successful african american men many many many men. doesnt mean they are oppressed. The whole idea of black people being oppressed by white is bullshit we are not holding them back. there not willing to change.


sorry if this offended


:che:

CGLM&#33; (http://www.cglm.net)

[Hampton]

You have to realize its not the white man keeping him down its his own laziness and general unwillingness to get ahead.

It&#39;s a bogus idea that anyone would not want to get ahead in this world. To think that they don&#39;t want to is false, it is because they cannot and a lot have people have just given up on trying. There is something that is keeping all of the lowerclass, not just blacks, from not advancing and that is the ruling class. They have since the inception of this country and have no plans in letting them gain economic or political power.


Also they listen to very very very explicit lyrics that are placing women into a category of Ho&#39;s& *****s where getting a blowjob partying smoking bud getting (crunked in the club) is more important that your needs that are required to uphold.

Only about 30% of rap music is bought by black people, leaving 70% being bought mainly by white kids, to say that black people are obsessed with getting drunk and all this other stuff is distorting the picture and it is not a fair assesment of the culture that is hip hop. There is so much more to hip hop than what plays on MTV and the radio, there is and always will be this underground movement to make hip hop more pure, taking it back to what it once was, dealing with social and political issues, that is the music that will never be heard on the mainstream, and I guarantee that music is a more powerful force than ho and *****es will ever be.


Hampton also i see many successful african american men many many many men. doesnt mean they are oppressed. The whole idea of black people being oppressed by white is bullshit we are not holding them back.

It depends on how you define successful in the first place. And the idea of "the white man" holding them back does not mean Todd who runs the corner store or my next door neighbor who has to work 60 hours a week to get by, it&#39;s the men who we don not see that are the ones who are holding us all back from what we want to do in life, black, white, purple, or magenta.

[Anarchist Freedom]

sure sure your right about most of that but i cant beleive that only 30% of african americans buy rap music. every african american kid i know has one of the biggest cd collections know to man dude.


:che:

[Saint-Just]

Originally posted by Socialist [email protected] 21 2004, 01:17 PM
hampton considering your first post. im not racist what soever and i never will be. But the african american population from what i can tell around me shows no ambition to get ahead. i know this may sound racist but im stating a point considering i live in the detroit area. You have to realize its not the white man keeping him down its his own laziness and general unwillingness to get ahead. Also they listen to very very very explicit lyrics that are placing women into a category of Ho&#39;s& *****s where getting a blowjob partying smoking bud getting (crunked in the club) is more important that your needs that are required to uphold.Hampton also i see many successful african american men many many many men. doesnt mean they are oppressed. The whole idea of black people being oppressed by white is bullshit we are not holding them back. there not willing to change.


sorry if this offended


:che:

CGLM&#33; (http://www.cglm.net)
Your right. But they are are a product of their environment. So many of them are like that because they live in poor ghettos, however it is not their fault that they live in those places. White people have pushed them into those ghettos and given them no way of getting out. Many white people are more law-abiding, sensible and so on because they live in a far nicer environment. To change the ghettos in detroit richer people, African-Americans and whites need to create social change, giving people in ghettos a better education and employment etc.

[Hampton]

Nearly 70% of all rap music is purchased by white people. Retail data like this compiled by organizations like The Recording Industry Association of America raise a different set of questions

Link (http://anthonybradley.worldmagblog.com/archives/003034.html)


For the first several years, very few white people even knew rap existed. Today, white kids buy 70 percent of rap records.

Link (http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=magazine.article&mode=printer_friendly&issue=soj0402&article=040255)

[RED CHARO]

This whole debate reminds me of a couple of close friends who left the movement because the whole thing seamed to be white people who detested rap society , yet they said supported these people, even though they had very little tolerance for them&#33;-

As for Jay-Z, he used to be part of the traditonal hip-hop movement (the politacly minded and such and such..), but now he is just another popular pop star&#33;
I don&#39;t think his &#39;Che&#39; line would make much impact, considering Tupac refered to his mates as &#39;mussolini&#39; and &#39;idi Amin&#39;......
&#39;Che with bling bling;, that is funny
:P
Most of these comments are out of line and really ignorent for the cause of the left&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

[Left_Winged_Brownie]

*Sigh*

people people people... what SHOULD be realized in the racist statements that were made is this:

not ALL minorities do the same thing. I am a black female and i DO NOT listen to rap. I choose other types of music to chill out to so to say that black people all do this or whatever its pretty ignorant. I may be just one soul on here but there are plenty more out there like myself.

As for people being products of their environments.. fine, same goes for redneck hillbillies OR ignorant, close minded people who go around making assumptions of a race a whole. IN every group of people you will find the "undesireables" or "troubled" ones. If u live in a community where it is predominantly african american.. fine what u SHOULD say is the people YOU HAVE MET act that way, NOT ALLLLLL THE BLACK PEOPLE OF THE WORLD. That is like me saying all white people are rednecks KKK members. Now, i live around that and alot are but i know that a good portion aren&#39;t. Sounds to me that the ignorant statements are made by people who really havent gotten to know any black person or other minority for that matter.

A Little Msg:

My judgement of others is not jaded by my surroundings but rather my findings.
Think about that one for a few...

[rebelgames]

Originally posted by che&#39;s long lost [email protected] 11 2004, 03:29 PM
I have nothing against black people or rap but I think most rap artists (most of whom are black)
if you have nothing against black people why do you have to cite that most rappers are black. you could have wrote "i have nothing against rappers." it&#39;s not outright racism but it&#39;s indirect and something even the person who is saying it does not notice. no offense meant.

[Commie-K]

Yeah, Jay Z was stupid to begin with. Tha quote just amplified the degree to which he was stupid. That just makes Che look stupid, comparing him to Jay Z, that is.

[Latin American Socialist]

i can&#39;t believe a big capitalist like Jay Z would compare himself to che guevara. It is like comparing the Devil and god.

[Anarchist Freedom]

arent the devil and god one in the same?


:che:

[Latin American Socialist]

sure, why not

[yousif82]

This is jay-z wearing a che t-shirt at mtv unplugged 3 years ago. Anyone seen this shirt in shops before.

cheers.

[Cheismyhero505]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 10:37 PM

Unlike that petty Guevara, putting his picture everywhere promoting his cause.






:angry: Che doesn&#39;t have to sell an album. He was one of the greatest men of the 20th century, possibly ever

[Cheismyhero505]

Originally posted by Socialist [email protected] 30 2004, 04:18 PM
arent the devil and god one in the same?


:che:
There will always be, even in the mind of one person, but in groups of two or more specifically, a better and a worse, or even a lesser of two evils which is portrayed as good. Therefore the "devil" manifests itself in the more evil and "God" manifests in the lesser evil. Of course, right and wrong are always in the eye of the beholder

[DarkAngel]

*Rolling on floor....hysterical laughin*


i wonder if these people read what they wrote before they rap it.....i mean really how stupid does that sound.... -_-

hes a bad rep. for my brooklyn people :P

[DaCuBaN]

arent the devil and god one in the same?

Nah, Lucifer was supposed to have started a revolution, and got extradited from Heaven for it. :lol:

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2004, 04:00 AM
This is jay-z wearing a che t-shirt at mtv unplugged 3 years ago. Anyone seen this shirt in shops before.

cheers.
that t-shirt&#39;s painting of Che is hilariously horrifying.

[Karo de Perro]

"Jay-Z compares himself to Che" ... that would make a fuckin cat laugh&#33;

Now ... what can I compare the statement of this thread to in order to make the truth plain? ... to this really ... it would be like me,a ragged-ass poor-boy comparing myself to the likes of all the fuckin cappie-shits who make their fortune from canned music,mini-movies called music videos and stupid youth who through their parents money makes these cocksuckers rich&#33;

Do understand that Im not flinging this just as &#39;rap&#39; stars ... so dont fuckin think youre gonna spit some kinda whinny bullshit that Karo is a racist cause Im talkin about every sonofa***** that manipulates people in order that they can live in palaces - EVERYONE ... be they black,white,yellow or brown&#33;

The only color these bastards are concerned with is GREEN and dont ever fuckin doubt or forget it and for this cause theyre enemies of the people and likewise Im their fuckin enemy as I am enemy to all who stuff money up their ass and think that simply because they can afford the best clothes,cars,homes,etc that this somehow makes them better than others ... well Im here to tell you - theyre just so much shit on a flies ass ... the lot of em&#33;

[RJRevolution]

My reply on this Piece of Shit Rapper comparing himself to Che:

*clears throat*


YOU CANT SPELL CRAP WITHOUT RAP&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

[Hampton]

Well, at least this has not become illogical.

[refuse_resist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 12:38 PM
that t-shirt&#39;s painting of Che is hilariously horrifying.
He probably painted it himself.

[chicojr]

Hello Everybody,


I was born in cuba under the revolution the same revolution that Che was a big part of. The fact that losers defend Jay-z and try to put him in the same breath as Che is crazy. Listen all you Jay-Z fans 1) Read about Che and why he is a Revolut
ionary

2) Dont ever and i mean ever compare that
capitalist rapper to Commandante Che

3) Che died fighting 4 equality among men
and here comes this loser rapper who
thinks he is equal to Che i don&#39;t think
so. If u challange it read and learn

[andresG]

"Blacks don&#39;t want to get ahead in life..."

<_<


I expect better from a leftist forum.

[Colombia]

Just wanted to say that Nas has compared himself to Pablo Escobar.

[Kurai Tsuki]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2004, 04:00 PM
This is jay-z wearing a che t-shirt at mtv unplugged 3 years ago. Anyone seen this shirt in shops before.

cheers.
So all this time, Che was actually black :rolleyes:

[Palmares]

I&#39;ve seen pictures of Jay-Z wearing Che shirts before.

DICKHEAD

:lol:

[Seraph]

Wait, so because Jay Z is a "capitalist rapper" that means he can&#39;t have an appreciation for Che?

The ironic part of this thread is, most of you have never listened to any Jay Z songs besides the songs he&#39;s put out as singles. Like he says "do you fools listen to music or do you just skim through it."

As brother emmissary pointed out earlier in the thread, he Jay Z sees him self as a revolutionary MUSICALLY since he didn&#39;t use conventional ways to get his success. When record comapanies offered him peanuts for a record deal, he did it by himself. He started his own. Promoted himself, sold CDs out of the back of his car. Basically told the powers that be to kiss his ass. That&#39;s admirable whether you like hiphop or not.

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

I&#39;m not trying to say Jay-Z&#39;s totally stupid...

What I am saying however is, that it is quite the oxymoron to compare yourself to a person who spent his life fighting and dying for equality admist human beings, while Jay-Z&#39;s living a lavish lifestyle with millions in the bank.

I&#39;m not saying that all rich ppl are bad, but Jay-Z&#39;s comparing himself to a person that is the total opposite. Che didn&#39;t care for money, Jay-z does, big time. Che could care less what ppl thought about him, Jay-Z needs his rep, because its the fans that support and buy his albums, etc.

The worst thing about it it, Jay-z says &#39;I&#39;m like Che Guevara wit&#39; bling on, I&#39;m complex&#39;.

Firstly, this is egocentricity right here. Jay-z just needs the attention, because maybe he never had it before. Don&#39;t worry jigga-man, we all have our problems. Just don&#39;t blasphemize someone&#39;s name in the process.

[Lardlad95]

I think nas summed it up best when he said.

"Fuck jay-z"

[RJRevolution]

Originally posted by Knowledge 6 6 [email protected] 5 2004, 11:48 AM
I&#39;m not trying to say Jay-Z&#39;s totally stupid...


I am.

[pandora]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 05:30 PM
If Che is "cool", then this Jay-Z guy is using Che&#39;s name to act cool. He using Che&#39;s name as a brand, whilst most likely nothing nothing about the revolutionary Che was.
That&#39;s it in a nut shell, Che Guevara with bling on, Che would never wear bling dumb ass so if you&#39;re wanting to be Che take your fucking bling off and give it to the kids in the streets you say you&#39;re from.

A man is judged by his actions, not by whom he says he is.

Instead of putting this man down I challenge him to stand up for the values he claims to have, if they are inside put them into practice.

Che knows the good this little bastard could do with his money and status if he wanted to say help kids with no money and status right there in NYC and make that his practice.

Put him to the Bartolome de las Casas challenge: Feed at least one child per meal for the rest of your life, go&#33;

[Fabi]

Che was so egalitarian. we lurves che. Who does jay-z think he is, comparing himself to che... jay/z is nothing like che at all. we are all equal, especially che. only jay/z and all them evil evil people is evil, not equal... Anyone else smell it? :D

[Palmares]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2004, 10:52 PM
I think nas summed it up best when he said.

"Fuck jay-z"
Actually, that was Nas using a Tupac quote. As Nas would say, "You gotta love it."

BTW, I have damn listened to Jay-Z. And unless he renounces his &#39;bling&#39; and becomes political, I can&#39;t see him as a true revolutionary. He is bandwagon bullshit (comparing himself to Che, not his music).

[Seraph]

You guys have some great points. As a Jay Z fan, I have to agree with you. He took this comparison a bit too far, especially since Che was against a lot of the things that Jay Z portray.

As a Che and Jay Z fan I think it&#39;s great that Jay Z even knew who he was. Almost pissed my pants when I saw him with the Che shirt on. Off topic a bit, but I saw this elderly man in Philly cursing at some kid the other day for wearing a Che shirt. Was calling him a "commie piece of shit" and told him to "get the fuck out of America." Was pretty interesting. I don&#39;t think the old guy liked me laughing at him. That kind of made the situation worse.

[Manos]

I&#39;ve been involved in Hip Hop since I can remember. I&#39;ve produced for everyone from Littles(best of mobb deep & littles cd) to Mr. Voodoo from Natural Elements. Whenever Jay-Z releases an album, I&#39;m at best buy there to purchase it. With that in mind, what Jay said is moronic. It shows that he&#39;s never studied up on Che, and further more calling him a revolutionary is almost as asinine as calling Martha Stewart a revolutionary.

Che was given a watch with a gold wristband by his good friend who saw Che no longer had a watch of his own. A few days later this friend notices Che&#39;s wrist, the watch he had given him no longer had a gold band, but a leather one. Che then approaches him and gives him a recite from the new nationalized bank saying that Che had donated the gold on behalf of his friend. Che was a man who didn&#39;t believe in appearances and such trivialities. He snickered to himself about the obsession Cubans had to bathing. Through out his whole life people commented on his sloppy appearance. But Jay is gonna tell me he&#39;s like Che with Blink on? Che never made a pursuit of money -- you&#39;ll be hard pressed to find me a Jay CD that doesn&#39;t brag about his capitalistic success.

Explain to me how Jay is revolutionary? Such a moronic statement only downplays the struggle of real revolutionaries who dedicate their lives to a cause that more often then less shows to have nothing of material value to the winner -- simply the freedom of their people. So, you can tell me Jay is a revolutionary all you want while he&#39;s on a boat in the south of France and purchasing property there which has helped the gentrification of the natives to smaller villages, but don&#39;t expect me to agree with you. I&#39;m one of the biggest Jay fans ever, but he is about as revolutionary as Stephen Hawking is athletic.

[Manos]

p.s.

why would anyone be surprised Jay would wear a Che shirt? Every white guy with dread locks has one and know about as much about Che as a Zionist knows about compassion.

[Seraph]

more surprised that he wore it on his MTV unplugged session. I thought it would cause some sort of controversy, but it didn&#39;t.

[Anarchist Freedom]

QUOTE (Socialist Freedom @ Jun 30 2004, 04:18 PM)
arent the devil and god one in the same?




There will always be, even in the mind of one person, but in groups of two or more specifically, a better and a worse, or even a lesser of two evils which is portrayed as good. Therefore the "devil" manifests itself in the more evil and "God" manifests in the lesser evil. Of course, right and wrong are always in the eye of the beholder.


ok... that wasnt meant to be analyzed that way but hey why not im up for new things. I was trying to say god is the devil signifying that god is evil and evil is bad so therfore it must be destroyed.


:che:

CGLM&#33; (http://www.cglm.net)

[DRS]

LOL&#33; Jay-Z thinks he the greatest to set foot on earth, he even reckons he should be knighted by the queen of england&#33;

the stupid egotistical twat, he deserves a good slap

[Norm Peterson]

The only real parallel that can be drawn between Jayz and Che is that they are or were both assholes.

[CubanFox]

Originally posted by Norm [email protected] 11 2004, 07:19 PM
The only real parallel that can be drawn between Jayz and Che is that they are or were both assholes.
Explain.

[Norm Peterson]

Explain what? The statement was really quite simple. I don&#39;t think the two should be compared, contrasted maybe. If you wanted to go out on a limb, the only way these two could be compared would be to say they are both assholes. And that is purely a matter of conjecture. Some like Jay-Z, some hate him. Some like Che, some hate him. To be sure, I don&#39;t feel that any other basis of comparison could be made between the two.

[CubanFox]

Originally posted by Norm [email protected] 11 2004, 07:46 PM
Explain what? The statement was really quite simple. I don&#39;t think the two should be compared, contrasted maybe. If you wanted to go out on a limb, the only way these two could be compared would be to say they are both assholes. And that is purely a matter of conjecture. Some like Jay-Z, some hate him. Some like Che, some hate him. To be sure, I don&#39;t feel that any other basis of comparison could be made between the two.
What I meant was "what makes Che an arsehole?", my apologies for such an ambiguous post.

[Norm Peterson]

I guess it was my post that was ambiguous, and you have my apologies.

[Lefty]

Originally posted by che&#39;s long lost [email protected] 11 2004, 03:29 PM
The videos make women look dirty. Che treated woman with so much respect.
Um, right. That&#39;s why he cheated on at least one of his wives.

Jay-Z&#39;s a funny guy. Heh.

[TaulantCHE]

If anyone from rappers can be little close to Che is only Ja Rule, he told everyone he hates Bush, adn his f**king company...he&#39;s not scared from anyone. :ph34r: He hates other rappers and he sweard all other rappers like 50cent, em, Dre, Snoop, even DMX(the strongest from all rappers).

[herr_Nosferatu]

Stating that Ja Rule hates Bush doesn&#39;t make him look or sound remotely close to the great Che&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

Aware of an evident truth yes, but a fighter for the greater good of humanity???

I don&#39;t think so.....

Did you see this guy, this asshole Ja Rule ???

Wearing fucking jewellery, tee-shirts of himself, his lyrics don&#39;t even speak of the people living in poverty.....

Although I really hate making comparisons with rappers, since nearly all of them go entirely against the ideals of the political left and the struggles for a better just and equal world;

Public Enemy is or rather was the closest you can find in regards to being close to Ernesto Guevara and his views on the world...

Genuinely for changes within society, truly fucking careless about looks (fucking bling bling shit&#33;) and willing to sacrifice success for authenticity and artistic integrity.

Here is a phrase from one of Ja Rule&#39;s songs, Race against time;

"The only thing that ever made me click was "Cash Money"....... "

I think the latter phrase sums up how close Ja Rule and Ernesto Che Guevara are in respect to one another...


On the earlier subject, the fact that Jay-Z wore a tee-shirt of Che is both great and meaningless...

Great because it can, although I doubt it did, bring awareness to Che&#39;s battle...

And meaningless because Jay Z doesn&#39;t even advocate the truths of the revolution, the changes needed to bring down the cappies and restart a newer and free world... He doesn&#39;t speak for any charity or humanitarian groups, doesn&#39;t use his popular status to bring awareness to urgent causes....

Therefore making his wearing a shirt bearing che only confirming one very obvious truth:

He&#39;s a hypocrite.


:hammer: :cuba: :hammer:

[IPkurd]

"The only thing that ever made me click was "Cash Money"....... "

by cash money he might have meant the rap group/label &#39;Cash Money&#39; maybe he had beef with them aswell. either way hes a fuck.


A good explaination of Jay-z can be found on kazaa, just type &#39;Ether&#39; and click on audio.

[emmissary]

why do we waste our time with such unimportant issues when you can be out there making a difference. i havent been on this site for 2 to 3 months and this stupid discussion is still going on.

[RABBIT - THE - CUBAN - MILITANT]

.. I have nothing against any body hat posted here (except the bigots) .. but 95% of the posts about this topic where just dumb and pointless and I’ll tell u why .. people are taking the line out of context every ones talking about it like he said "I’m like Che Guevara " .. Meanwhile what the line acutely says "I’m like Che Guevara with bling bling on, I’m complex" and since u all know that you probably don’t know what I’m getting at , just re word the line so its " I’m complex, like Che Guevara with bling bling on" so he’s not comparing him self to Che he’s just stating a paradox he could have just of easily said "I’m like Hitler with a black lover" ... its not that complex




" i VIVA LA CUBA LIBRE &#33;"

[Major. Rudiger]

SSSSSOOOOOO your saying we need to give Jay-Z a english lesson in grammer ;) . Its nice that you found that but its old man this is going on to long. And can someone help me out with veitnam and if it was a ok war or not and stop talking about crap like this. I thought this forum is to educate yourself about communsim and to spread the word tha communsism is good and not bad lik ethe STUPID AMERICANS THINK of communsim. :angry:

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2004, 03:24 PM
You guys have some great points. As a Jay Z fan, I have to agree with you. He took this comparison a bit too far, especially since Che was against a lot of the things that Jay Z portray.

As a Che and Jay Z fan I think it&#39;s great that Jay Z even knew who he was. Almost pissed my pants when I saw him with the Che shirt on. Off topic a bit, but I saw this elderly man in Philly cursing at some kid the other day for wearing a Che shirt. Was calling him a "commie piece of shit" and told him to "get the fuck out of America." Was pretty interesting. I don&#39;t think the old guy liked me laughing at him. That kind of made the situation worse.
hahah that happend to me once. i was wearing my che shirt at like 3am, when i went to the grocery store.. n this old fart that hangs out theres like &#39;&#39;do you even noe who the fuck he is&#39;&#39;, as i paid i said &#39;&#39;columbian drug lord&#39;&#39; with the most sarcastic tone, n I walked out.

[andresG]

Originally posted by RABBIT &#045; THE &#045; CUBAN &#045; [email protected] 5 2004, 02:00 PM
.. I have nothing against any body hat posted here (except the bigots) .. but 95% of the posts about this topic where just dumb and pointless and I’ll tell u why .. people are taking the line out of context every ones talking about it like he said "I’m like Che Guevara " .. Meanwhile what the line acutely says "I’m like Che Guevara with bling bling on, I’m complex" and since u all know that you probably don’t know what I’m getting at , just re word the line so its " I’m complex, like Che Guevara with bling bling on" so he’s not comparing him self to Che he’s just stating a paradox he could have just of easily said "I’m like Hitler with a black lover" ... its not that complex




" i VIVA LA CUBA LIBRE &#33;"
Thank you.

:D

[LEADER]

IMMORTAL TECHNIQUE describes himself as che.but in a hip hop form.as far as jay,thats just sad man,he fights for nothing that che ever did.

[Hiero]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 05:40 AM
why do we waste our time with such unimportant issues when you can be out there making a difference.
Great idea ill meet you there with the massess.

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 01:40 PM
why do we waste our time with such unimportant issues when you can be out there making a difference. i havent been on this site for 2 to 3 months and this stupid discussion is still going on.
i concur , screw that fucker.
Move on, action&#33;

[Jesus Sanchez]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 04:40 PM
why do we waste our time with such unimportant issues when you can be out there making a difference. i havent been on this site for 2 to 3 months and this stupid discussion is still going on.
Same with me...first time ive posted in ages, yet they still ***** about something they can&#39;t change.

[seedi]

It is a fact of life that Che&#39;s name is used far too often because people think he was "cool" without knowing the tiniest bit about his personality or about what he stood for. Quite evident it is, from the numbers of people who have Che t-shirts without the inkling of who he was. Lamentable....

[Anarchist Freedom]

SWEET eurphoria Jay-z is quitting the rap game thank you&#33; thank yoU&#33;

[bushsucks1]

haha,this really made me laugh ,i like listening to jay-z,haven&#39;t got the black album tho&#39; BUT i don&#39;t think that he shoulda said that,if he wanted to,he could honour che in a diffrent way,and to the ppl that say how a capitalist like him could even talk about che,well wake up kids,we&#39;re all capitalists at this point,none of our countries do have the exact socialist,democratic,view (although,i gotta say,belgium aint doing too bad)

[Paradox]

Jay-Z can rhyme. But comparing himself to Che&#33;?&#33; HA&#33; Yeah, okay (being sarcastic). I see all kinds of people walking around with Che shirts on, and everytime I see them, I wonder if they really know who he was and what he stood for. As has been pointed out, some people consider Che to be "cool," so they sport a shirt with his image on it. I remember passing by a store in the mall that had a Che poster, a framed one- they wanted SIXTY DOLLARS for it. Anyone else see the contradiction in that? These evil bastards are exploiting his image, using people&#39;s ignorance and obsessions with trends to make themselves rich. Imagine that, a capitalist getting rich by exploiting the image of a communist. HA&#33; And it&#39;s not Jay-Z alone. Just this afternoon, I saw a music video in which rapper Lil&#39; Wayne was wearing a Che shirt. Isn&#39;t this the same dumb ass who was with CASH MONEY MILLIONAIRES&#33;?&#33; How contradictory is that&#33;&#33;&#33; I have Che shirts, 4 of them to be exact, but at least I know who he was. I would never compare myself to Che. I can only HOPE to have as much dedication and conviction as he, and every other REAL freedom fighter had.

R.I.P. CHE GUEVARA
R.I.P. CRAZY HORSE
R.I.P. SITTING BULL
R.I.P. MALCOLM X
R.I.P. HUEY P.
R.I.P. FRED HAMPTON, SR.
R.I.P. SALVADOR ALLENDE

HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

[lifetrnal]

Jay-Z is stupid as hell. But he did produce Dead Prez&#39;s new album, and even though they signed with sony, I still think they are right on.... Dead Prez (http://www.deadprez.com)



-Scott

[Seraph]

I wasn&#39;t really shocked when I heard Jay Z was going to produce the Dead Prez album. He really loves hiphop artists like DP, Talib Kweli, Common, The Roots, etc. He says so in his lyrics as well, especially on The Black Album.

Music business hate me cause the industry ain&#39;t make me
Hustlers and boosters embrace me and the music I be makin
I dumbed down for my audience to double my dollars
They criticized me for it yet they all yell "HOLLA&#33;"
If skills sold, truth be told, I&#39;d probably be
lyrically, Talib Kweli
Truthfully I wanna rhyme like Common Sense
But I did five mill&#39; - I ain&#39;t been rhymin like Common since
When your cents got that much in common
And you been hustlin since, your inception
Fuck perception go with what makes sense
Since I know what I&#39;m up against
We as rappers must decide what&#39;s most impor-tant
And I can&#39;t help the poor if I&#39;m one of them
So I got rich and gave back, to me that&#39;s the win/win

[sickdiscobiscuit]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 03:38 PM
No we&#39;re not ignorant. Jay-Z are. He hasn&#39;t gone through what Che did. He use Guevara to promote himself&#33;
Fidel used che to promote himself, nice avatar asshole.

you people are idiots
jay-z is a rapper,
you make rhymes
what does it matter if they make sense?
or are politically correct.

rap music isn&#39;t the best music, but how can you
say it&#39;s crap? none of you are communists..

[cubalibra]

I agree with paradox. It&#39;s hypocritical for millionares to be comparing themselves to Che, especially when they have a voice yet do nothing about it. Jay-z should bring up the fact that black peoples votes were thrown out in the 2004 US presidential election. A public outcry by some well known celebrities would be able to create mass protests which in turn would make the government have to listen to the people for once. Tupac Shakur was the only rapper who would have been up for the cause.

Free Leonard Peltier&#33;

[Tupac-Amaru]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2004, 05:43 AM
Jay-Z is stupid as hell. But he did produce Dead Prez&#39;s new album, and even though they signed with sony, I still think they are right on.... Dead Prez (http://www.deadprez.com)




I agree&#33; Dead Prez is the my favorite rap group, they speak the truth&#33; anyone who likes Rap should buy some DP cds

[tequila]

In the republic of Ireland our gobshite of a Taoiseach compared himself to Che even though under his rule everything has gone up in price the goverment has become more corrupt and crime and unemployment has gone on the rise and he lets the American army refuel here on their way to Iraq costing the irish taxpayers 6 million euro. :ph34r: So anyone interested in coming to Ireland and helping me overthrow the Irish government is more than welcome to do so.

[ComradeHuipe]

i think its a pretty contradictory comment...maybe its makes since if jay-z is speaking figuretively, and not literally, cus if he was then it wouldnt really make sense...dont get me wrong i lilke jay-z...

but i love che much more....and u cant his name to promote yourself...dats just not right....


but...just maybe...he might know someting bout che...and found some way to relate to him..like he could be the hip hop revolutionary...i dont know...

it could happen..

[guerillablack]

Point bankly. Jay has probably done more for his community than you have done for yours.

[RABBIT - THE - CUBAN - MILITANT]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2005, 03:57 AM
Point bankly. Jay has probably done more for his community than you have done for yours.
exactly .. i was beginning to think that this site was full of narrow minded people.

[DarkAngel]

I think he was simply saying that he is a capitalist (bling bling=money), but he does care about the people in the way che did. And that there were many dimensions to him that we don&#39;t see (Im complex)

[synthesis]

i think its a pretty contradictory comment...maybe its makes since if jay-z is speaking figuretively, and not literally, cus if he was then it wouldnt really make sense...dont get me wrong i lilke jay-z...

The glimmer of truth in this sea of stupidity.

Guys, it&#39;s a metaphor. Jay-Z is undeniably brilliant lyrically, he&#39;s not just going to pull that out of his ass. He&#39;s not "comparing himself to Che", he&#39;s purposefully using an outrageous contradiction to describe himself as a complex man, full of contradictions as all humans are.

Come on people, think with your heads.

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2005, 03:57 AM
Point bankly. Jay has probably done more for his community than you have done for yours.
Exactly. Point bankly.

All kidding aside, you are probably right, I&#39;ve donated time to homeless shelters, and am giving a good chunk to the Tsunami relief.

I&#39;m sure Roc-a-fella and Def Jam have done a lot. I&#39;m not doubting this. I&#39;m simply saying, Jay-z&#39;s comparing himself to a man who was against what he is.

[RABBIT - THE - CUBAN - MILITANT]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 03:20 AM

i think its a pretty contradictory comment...maybe its makes since if jay-z is speaking figuretively, and not literally, cus if he was then it wouldnt really make sense...dont get me wrong i lilke jay-z...

The glimmer of truth in this sea of stupidity.

Guys, it&#39;s a metaphor. Jay-Z is undeniably brilliant lyrically, he&#39;s not just going to pull that out of his ass. He&#39;s not "comparing himself to Che", he&#39;s purposefully using an outrageous contradiction to describe himself as a complex man, full of contradictions as all humans are.

Come on people, think with your heads.
exactly what I said , but nobody seems to think about it that way.. <_<

[SpeCtrE]

I think I have seen Jay-Z wearing Che&#39;s Tshirts many times. I don&#39;t think he is doing something bad...


I hate JayZ&#39;s music though.

[Big Boss]

He is simply being retarded like usual. I just think that he is a fucking idiot who doesn&#39;t know who is the man in his own shirt. He is pitiful and is a great example of ignorance. He make me laugh though&#33; :lol:

[Ell Carino]

HipHop is one of the most brilliant things on this planet, when in its purest form. It absorbs the anger of men and women who feel they have been at huge injustice by higher powers that be i.e the police, FBI, CIA, politicans etc.... it was an artform created by the black people of New York (Bronx first). Real HipHop talks about real issues, local and global - Fake HipHop talks about fuckin *****es, how much bling one can buy and how much richer they are from everyone else. The fake HipHop is the type that sells today i.e 50 Cent, Ja Rule, Nelly, Chingy and other whack muthafuckaz.... and these fuckaz are endorsed by huge coorporations who push this negative rap to the younger generations. So dont get it twisted some of you, who say that HipHop is bad. And whoever made that comment about "black people doing most of the crime" is full of shit.... the streets of Harlem, Brocklyn, Queensborough etc is flooded by CIA/Government cocaine, heroin and crack.... so stop talkin that shit.

Peace to all the real HipHop cats:

Immortal Technique
Tupac
Notorious BIG
Canibus
Gangstarr
Rakim
KRS One
Ultramagnetic MCs
Talib Kweli
Jean Grae
C Rayz Walz
Public Enemy
Paris
Slick Rick
...........
..........
..........
the list goes on.

And on the real... Jay-Z realistically cannot compare himself with Che. I think he has done well in earning his wealth, he got it all on his own back, he made his own way... but he has done alot of bad stuf for HipHop too. Don&#39;t hate on a person though just because he has a bit of cash.... money is important in our World at the present time.

[bunk]

no he didn&#39;t do it all by himself, jay - Z stole lines from biggie, tupac, KRS-1, Rakim, and even Nas.

On a sidenote has any1 been hearing about Jay-Z subliminally dissing Game on a freestyle aired on hot97 and Game shouting &#39;fuck jay-z&#39; in a live show in Amsterdam.

[Big Boss]

Hip-Hop is cool and everything but let&#39;s not get off topic here. I don&#39;t hate him at all. I (like my comrades) am just stating a fact: You can&#39;t compare yourself to Che while earning millions of dollars and thinking of making many more. Che thought of the man next to him and not himself. If I see Jay-Z doing something for the greater good then my perception might change but for now, I think that he is just a fucking idiot. :D

[FeArANDLoAtHiNg]

I&#39;d like to think of the hip-hop community more as potential allies of our ideals, rather than equating them to the rest of capitalist society. Sure, they&#39;re often misguided, but the common goals and enemies they share with us seem to be as evident as their capitalistic ties.

Hip-Hop, at it&#39;s core, is rebel music. Rappers who are skilled at pure hip-hop, tend to represent black culture as a whole. And its no secret that black culture is a big part of the working class.

Jay-Z&#39;s lyrics may be misguided, or perhaps they&#39;re just more profound then we&#39;re thinking. Either way, I don&#39;t think he&#39;s the enemy.

[anarchialibertad]

Racism ................. psh
keep fighting for that crap is a waste, its only used to blind us from the real injustis social discrimination.
I hate everyone equally because no matter wut race u are ur still a brainwashed, idiotic puppet of the state and ur built and used to do the same mindless shit.
As for Jay-Z --- ur no Che he was a million times better than u. He gave up his life to fight for our people. Jay-Z like most of us doesnt have the balls to do somethin like that. Ask him if he would give up his jet or cars for his fellow African-Americans and he would spit in ur face.

One other thing. It pisses me off when is seein people wearin CHE Guevara&#39;s picture in their t-shirts. I seen white,black, hispanic wear it and all of them are idiots. In one of my classes i asked a "ganster" who was wearing one of those t-shirts if he knew who Che was and he said he didnt. i just laughed and told him to do some research before he wore it again.

ALL MUsic sux ..... except for ANARCHO-PUNK a true revolutinary movement.
OI OI OI HOLLA TO ALL THE SHARPS OUT THERE

[FeArANDLoAtHiNg]

All types of music except the kind you like sucks?

People are either brilliant revolutionaries like Che, or puppets of the state?

Just seems like you have a bit of a closed mind, my friend.

[anarchialibertad]

ur right that was a bit close minded
i do listen to different kinds of music -- reggeton, rap, pop-punk, techno, METAL(i listen to metal more than punk).
but i truly believe that one of the most revolutionary types of music out there is anarcho-punk. They dont only say what they believe in their lyrics but they also show it by havin protests and stablishin organizations like the CRASS.

[RevolutionaryLeftist]

rap sucks

[Hampton]

Topic closed due to being beaten to death/irrevelant and ignorant comments such as the one above.