To the cappies

[Subversive Pessimist]

If humans are evil, I assume that you are evil humans, too? :rolleyes:

[NYC4Ever]

No one is all good.

[kroony]

what's a cappy?

[Subversive Pessimist]

Capitalist.

I can say I am all good, although I can, a few times, let my ego go before a good cause, sadly enough. Although I'm more disiplined now, and more knowledge, responsibility etc. Far from perfect, though. If I do something that someone would call "evil", I would always do it because it is, in my opinion, justified.

I believe most people are good.

[NYC4Ever]

commie term for capitalist.

[NYC4Ever]

I believe that if we have the capacity to be evil, then no one is all good. Man has a natural duality.

[Subversive Pessimist]

I believe that if we have the capacity to be evil, then no one is all good.

So if I have the capacity to kill you, I'm evil, although I won't do it?

[NYC4Ever]

and if you did?

[Osman Ghazi]

Evil doesn't really exist. No one does something that they believe is wrong/unjustified. And saying that killing is an evil act also doesn't make sense. Would it be an evil act to kill Hitler? It is all a matter of justification.

[NYC4Ever]

Moral relativism at its best.

[Osman Ghazi]

Morality doesn't exist except in a subjective form.

[Subversive Pessimist]

We all have positive (good) and negative (bad) feelings.

[Hoppe]

Originally posted by Osman [email protected] 10 2004, 06:51 PM
Evil doesn't really exist. No one does something that they believe is wrong/unjustified. And saying that killing is an evil act also doesn't make sense. Would it be an evil act to kill Hitler? It is all a matter of justification.
Does Lynndie England already have an attorney?

[Guest1]

Lynndie England needs Psychological help, not jail-time.

She is just one of the scapegoats of Iraq-gate.

[Hoppe]

And she couldn't think for herself, could she?

[Guest1]

She could, that's why she needs Psychological help, she put her military career ahead of other people's lives and followed orders.

That's sick and twisted, but the criminals are the ones who gave the orders.

[Hoppe]

That should tell you how easily people commit such acts.

[Nas]

damn Americans

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by Osman [email protected] 10 2004, 07:27 PM
Morality doesn't exist except in a subjective form.
(*chuckle*)...And they wonder why every communist state turns into a bloodbath.

[Raisa]

Good and bad is subjective. Im niether. Some times I do some thing some one can think is good or bad. But thats not me, its just what I did.

[John Galt]

Humans are not naturally evil. Humans are naturally selfish.

[Osman Ghazi]

Did she think that she was doing something 'evil' though? The laws of the world are not based on so-called 'objective truths' handed down by God or some equally paternalistic source. They simply reflect the beliefs of the majority of the population. They are based on the 'mass subjective'. And when you contravene them, you risk the wrath of society.

[Raisa]

Originally posted by John [email protected] 10 2004, 10:35 PM
Humans are not naturally evil. Humans are naturally selfish.
Humans are naturally adaptive. They want to survive. In this society you have to be selfish to survive. People will adapt to all kinds of things in order to live, this is no exception.

[NYC4Ever]

Humans are naturally adaptive. They want to survive. In this society you have to be selfish to survive. People will adapt to all kinds of things in order to live, this is no exception.

I see why they call you guys the dreamers. You guys are really doing this because you believe its good, and I respect that. But I just dont think it can be accomplished without serious bloodshed. Thats why communism has failed in every attempt. I think that the idea that it would come out of a successful free enterprise country would further lead it to end in failure.

[synthesis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 09:08 PM
But I just dont think it can be accomplished without serious bloodshed.
Neither do I.

[NYC4Ever]

In my opinion. The US will become a socialist society within the next ten or so years. Well not full fledged socialism, but you know, a carbon copy of Canada and the EU. The current elitist societies that supposedly rule the domain of "peace" and "tolerance". It's inevitable. People(in the US) will not accept Communism at first grasp but would accept Socialist concepts.
Im not a die hard fan of free enterprise, but used wisely as was intended by our Judeo Christian principles of contributing back to society through charity,donations and good will. It has vanquished and the hellish capitalist country you people vision is not as far fetched. If anything, I would agree that communism is well deserving but I still believe it to be morally wrong. Thats just my opinion, though.

[Osman Ghazi]

Im not a die hard fan of free enterprise, but used wisely as was intended by our Judeo Christian principles of contributing back to society through charity,donations and good will.

I guess Thorstein Veblen was wrong about pecuniary emulation.

But seriously though, I'm glad that it will become that way (though I'm not so optimistic as you). If the Russian and French Revolutions taught us anything, it was that for change to be lasting, it has to be gradual. The consciousness will create the revolution, not t'other way round.

[thatCHEr]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 04:57 PM
If humans are evil, I assume that you are evil humans, too? :rolleyes:
loooool nice one.
Except that evil is a completely subjective, and that you're illiterate.

[Guest1]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 02:28 PM
loooool nice one.
Except that evil is a completely subjective, and that you're illiterate.
Except that "completely subjective" isn't a noun. Pot, meet Kettle.

[thatCHEr]

Ahhhh zing!

Well, you at least get the idea, unlike the original post which im still not entirely understanding.