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The idealist
10th May 2004, 11:27
Extract from the guardian weekly (may 6-12 2004)


Britain's once-proud libraries, founded 154 years ago as "the universities of the street", are starting to die on their feet, according to a report published last week.
They stock too few books, are not open at times that suit the public and are burdened with too many expensive administrators.
Figures on the declining popularity af the service led one analyst to predict that it would cease to exist within 15 years. They have also spurred the Government to call a high-level meeting to try to find the answers to what is seen as a gathering crisis.
The libraries summit, as it is being called, will be convened next month by the media and heritage minister Lord McIntosh. It is expected to generate new guidelines for local councils and librarians.
The analyst, Tim Coates, chose one of the service's rare days of celebration to warn of an apocalypse. As librarians gathered at Westminster with writers to mark the 25th anniversary of public lending right for authors, Mr Coates issued a 25-page report which finds that in the past 10 years the number of libraary users has fallen by 21% while the number of books borrowed has fallen by 35%. At the same time the cost of the service has risen by 39% while spending on buying books has fallen to 9% of total funds.
Mr Coates, a former managing director of the bookshop chain Waterstone's, said a measure of the decline was that, when the public lending right became law in 1979, two and a half times as many books were loaned by libraries as were sold in bookshops. Now the figures are roughly equal at 700.000 books a year.
He recommends that libraries should remain open from early in the morning until late at night and that spending on books and reading materials should be trebled to give reader a better chance of finding bestsellers on the shelves.

Opinions on the article and Mr Coates idea for taking care of the problem?

Personally I am apalled by the idea that the libraries should close. They are the only way for people who cannot afford books to aquire them.

DaCuBaN
10th May 2004, 20:22
Shutting them down I can't agree with - they should get them open 24/7 instead

I'm sure you'd see a HUGE increase in use then - and not just relative to the increased opening hours.

monkeydust
10th May 2004, 22:26
bah.......bad news.

My local library is actually quite impressive, though it is a county library. It seems somewhat under-used, at least to me.

Still, this is not good news.


Personally I am apalled by the idea that the libraries should close. They are the only way for people who cannot afford books to aquire them.

I totally agree.

Furthermore, even if people can afford books, the scope and variety of books in libraries is immensely greater than any bookshop. For research purposes they are often essential institutions.

DaCuBaN
10th May 2004, 22:34
I've often thought of trying to get involved in data entry of old transcripts etc - does anyone know of any such organisations? I've had very little luck trying to track any down in the UK... or even elsewhere :(

Dottie Commie
11th May 2004, 13:20
My local library in Chatham has been closed down! But looking around here I don't think anyone can read anyway.

RedAnarchist
11th May 2004, 13:23
Wheres Chatham anyway?

My local library closes on Sundays and Wednesdays, opnes 9-5 on Monday, Thursday and Friday, 9-7 on Tuesdays and 9-12.30 on Saturdays.

Its small, but i've been borrowing books from there for 16 years, since i was 2.

Dottie Commie
11th May 2004, 13:31
Chatham's a little ghetto in Kent, in England. Don't go there!

RedAnarchist
11th May 2004, 13:33
I'm from Lancashire myself.

Dottie Commie
11th May 2004, 13:37
Blimey. An Anarchist from Lancashire. Fantastic! ;)

monkeydust
11th May 2004, 17:10
Dottie Commie

I was born in Chatham!....

Needless to say, I escaped that ghetto, only to reach..........Maidstone.

Go to my town, we have an excellent library.

James
11th May 2004, 18:39
I'm in Lancashire too :)



I think this is reflecting a change in british society... as someone said - alot do seem under used. I think kids need to be taken to them FAR more often; at a young age. The libary at "my school" (i'm in upper six) is pritty pants. The selection is crap, and most of it has been replaced by computers. Whilst computers have their benifit... i don't think books should be neglected at the expense of computers.

Bolton libary i think is pritty pants: they may cover a wide range, but they seem to concentrate on some issues (which are EASY to research in other ways), whilst "neglecting" others. I was disapointed with Bolton's selection of books regarding the Cold War.

Although saying that, i guess a libary can't cover every issue in "sufficient" depth - i.e. nothing ever satisfies.

The idealist
11th May 2004, 21:38
The most important thing about libraries is probably not the free education (although that is debatable), but the books themselves. By writing a book the writer stores his knowledge and views for future generations. This cannot be compared in any way to the internet, where information is accessable, but not necessarily true. And the internet is also a hive of misinformation, and censorship.
Writers immortalise themselves and their words in books, and if you think about how old some books are you will find that rows upon rows of our forefathers kulture and Ideals lie just a shelf away.
Foresaking the libraries is dismissing History and wisedom, which is symbolic of the world we live in today.

Funky Monk
11th May 2004, 21:50
I find Bolton library quite interesting really, whilst not best stocked it does have some interesting selections.

DaCuBaN
11th May 2004, 21:56
Originally posted by The [email protected] 11 2004, 09:38 PM
The most important thing about libraries is ... the books themselves. By writing a book the writer stores his knowledge and views for future generations. This cannot be compared in any way to the internet, where information is accessable, but not necessarily true. And the internet is also a hive of misinformation, and censorship.
Writers immortalise themselves and their words in books, and if you think about how old some books are you will find that rows upon rows of our forefathers kulture and Ideals lie just a shelf away.
Foresaking the libraries is dismissing History and wisedom, which is symbolic of the world we live in today.
I&#39;m going to have to pull this one up I&#39;m afraid <_<

Firstly, writing a &#39;book&#39; is no different to writing a text document - you are still going through exactly the same motions and the content can be just as dubious, the format is simply different. Secondly, there is NO censorship on the internet which is half the reason why you get so much crap - if we had censorship we would have far more useful information, but less contraversial. Personally though I like this the way it is, and I firmly believe the way forward would be the abolishment (eventually) of paper libraries in favour of computers. It&#39;s simple, it&#39;s easy it&#39;s fast. :lol:

I&#39;ll admit reading a book is a completely different experience to web-research though, and one that personally I would sorely miss. I do not enjoy researching in this manner though. I dont consider this to be foresaking the knowledge of all who came before me: I would dearly love to be a data entry operator for a library conversion - imagine how much you could learn