THC made me despair

[The Feral Underclass]

I got stoned last night. It was the first time I did it properly for about 2 years. What happened next was not nice. Something in the weed, I really have no idea what, turned me into this despaired state. I got in such despair and became so paranoid that I had to go to bed. Everything in my life became questioned by my mind which reduced everything right down to one thing...me laying, alone, in my bed and the world going on around me outside....it was fucked up!!!!

The kind of despair it gave me was the kind of despair that you would feel after dying and realising that the Christians were right all along, and that you were on your way to hell...

I really know now why people on drugs turn to god. If people feel that kind of despair on a regular basis, god may not be such a bad idea...

Why do you think this happened to me?

[cubist]

it happens all the time mate, it will more than likely be that you smoked a strain with a concentrate of BCD, bi-canibidimol this chemical alters the properties of our ability to percieve,


common one is purple haze or northern lights

i like that feeling of lonelyness you described i love dwelling on the simplest of things while the world around me continues on.

as for the paranoia yeah that happens too, it very comon in newbies or returning veterans, they overestimate the experience becuase psycologically you are stoned so you assume you look cained and you assume that your feelings aspire form being cained when that is not necesarily true

[The Feral Underclass]

It was weird man...I remember being able to get stoned and laugh my ass off, and I just had a great time, then i started taking E and then weed just fucked me up from then..I havent smoked it properly for ages, and then I thought maybe I would try it again...i felt happy, I felt ecure, I loved the company, but then I just got this feeling of utter despair, as if everything was wrong somehow....im really pissed off that I got smoke weed....IT SUCKS BIG FAT ASS!!!

Ill just stick to booze....booze is my friend!

[SittingBull47]

it could have been worse. much worse. a friend and I lit up one time, he demanded that he hit first, so i let him. Thank god.

The weed was laced with cocaine and he was throwing up for a solid half hour. Scared the hell out of me, nobody knew where this came from but we were all weary for a while.

Cigars are where its at.

[Wenty]

its worrying that people think this deserves to be in Philosophy. It just all adds to the horrible opinion that all philosophy students are stoners. <_<

[The Feral Underclass]

Im not a philosophy student...and I put it in here because i didnt know where else to put it...Why are you so mean?

[Anarchist Freedom]

sigh..............



TAT here is basically what happend because i have had this occur to me many times, And i will describe one of my experinces like this. oook soo TAT pot allows you to explore your thoughts more easily and when your not trying to do something like homework your thoughts just flow like the ocean waves do but sometimes things disrupt this,Negative thoughts, seeing something scary, bad people and or scenario and situation. Or as a frequented stoner calls it a buzz kill sometimes your brain just cant handle the THC its taking in soo it kinda makes you depressed hell when i took XTC at a party i was depressed for like a week. long story short someone gave me a pill that looked like asprin because i had a headache. TAT how much did you smoke?

and also i would suggest you smoke again and do this alone and youll understand what happend to you much easier.


:che:


CGLM&#33; (http://www.cglm.net)

[The Feral Underclass]

I had a small spliff to myself....it was enough...

I really want to be able to get stoned and not feel like this...like right now, I could go and get stoned, I feel excited about it even, but I know, if I do, it will send me crazy again.

[Guest1]

TAT, I actually had that same problem after taking shrooms, it&#39;s taken me a year to start smoking and enjoying it again.

I&#39;m sure you can get over it quicker though.

What I find helped me is to joke around, or ask someone to tell you a joke. Laughing, once you get it started, really just takes it all away.

Also, letting yourself go. Saying fuck you to every worry, it&#39;s a very difficult thing to do. You have to do it. Once you start, you will understand how your mind works much better and you&#39;ll actually find this skill starts to help in sober life too. Anyways, this is the most important thing of all. If you can figure out how to do this, just say to yourself "I&#39;m stoned, I don&#39;t care, this is fun" and believe it, you&#39;ll be just fine :)

Good luck then. Tell me how it goes.

[The Feral Underclass]

So you think I should just smoke? I stopped smoking because of this, maybe I should have just forced myself to get over it? Maybe when I am back with my mates in sheffield I will take the dive again.

[BOZG]

I get that effect on most occassions and even worse when I mix weed and alcohol. Shit really hits the fan then. I do notice though that I really only get into that state when I&#39;ve stopped smoking or drinking for the night, it&#39;s on the come down that everything gets fucked up. I usually try and go to sleep as quickly as possible most of the time. I find that stops the side effects.

[Ian]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 7 2004, 03:34 PM
Why do you think this happened to me?
I think it was the drugs

[Wenty]

this should be in chit chat&#33; Weed has no place in this forum&#33; how draconian of me, i should become a mod.

[DaCuBaN]

So you think I should just smoke?

Well, I can only comment on my own experiences... and I found that it&#39;s all the other substances that are the problem. I now no longer drink more than 4 units a week nor take pills - I only smoke weed and (once a year) take shroomies.

I&#39;ve kept this regime now for a little over three years, and these intesnse feelings of solitary paranioa (for want of a better description) have disappeared.

Out of interest... was this psychological effect coupled with an odd tension in the muscles? not quite ready to pounce, but almost and with amplified aural capabilities?

[synthesis]

Yeah, I&#39;ve had experiences like that before, but never with weed. I don&#39;t know what happened to you. I&#39;ve never heard of people having bad trips while smoking marijuana.

This is just a thought, but has anything been troubling you lately? Social pressures, et cetera? I&#39;m not asking you to list them, just consider whether or not you have had stressful things on your mind when you were smoking. This is what usually induces bad trips from shrooms or acid, and what happened to you sounds a lot like the bad trips I&#39;ve had, so perhaps you have an unusual, personalized reaction to the marijuana that makes your mental system react to it in the way that it would with stronger hallucinogens.

Just some food for thought.

[Urban Rubble]

You have to ask yourself, the things you are worrying about when you&#39;re stoned, are they valid things to worry about ? In my experience, herb lets me see things from a different perspective, it can be useful and it can be annoying. Alot of times, when I&#39;m stoned I may think about something that has been bothering me more intensley, it may lead to alot of pointless worrying, but it can also help you work a problem out. (I&#39;m having a hard time putting this together coherentley, I&#39;m about to go to bed and I just smoked).

It probably comes down to your tolerance. If you&#39;ve been away from it for awhile, you were probably just really high and exagerrating you normal worries and fears. I smoke alot, and sometimes my best thoughts and solutions to problems come when I&#39;m stoned.

I find it odd that alchohol is more of a comfort to you than weed. I like to drink, but I&#39;m starting to chill on it a bit. Alchohol just causes so many more problems, and it can also lead to serious depression, even when you aren&#39;t drinking.

[Guest1]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 8 2004, 04:25 AM
So you think I should just smoke? I stopped smoking because of this, maybe I should have just forced myself to get over it? Maybe when I am back with my mates in sheffield I will take the dive again.
First, you have to make sure you want to. Give yourself a break from it for a while if you have to, don&#39;t force yourself to do it. I know alot of people don&#39;t like the mix of alcohol and weed, but it sounds to me like you&#39;re alot like me. In that you&#39;re now finding more comfort in the alcohol buzz than in the weed high.

I used that to my advantage. I would let myself get a little bit tipsy, no shots or anything, just a little bit tipsy. Then when I&#39;m feeling nice and warm inside, without a care in the world, I would allow myself one or two hits off a joint. Nothing major, just to get a little high.

The alcohol keeps you from giving a shit, and the weed gets you high. Tada&#33; No paranoia. From there, you can start to do some real Psychology. Basically, you&#39;re looking for some positive conditioning.

Your mind has, for some reason or other, connected weed with a dark place in your psyche. The only way to erase a bad connection, is to make a good one.

How do you do that?

Well, I&#39;ll quote something from the Marijuana Party of Canada here:


Set and setting
Responsible users take care in considering the set and setting before choosing to consume. This choice can be made based on the personal values and experience of the users as well as on the social and physical circumstances.
Follow that guideline, your goal is to have fun every single time you smoke and keep on a roll for as long as you keep it up. Better not to smoke than to break the pattern of good, fun, clean times.

So, at first, you can use the training wheels. That is, if you feel comfortable with alcohol, connect it to that. Start with the comfortable. As time passes, you&#39;ll find yourself getting more and more comfortable smoking, and you&#39;ll be getting that feeling of dread less and less.

Then you can start smoking without alcohol, and start smoking in different settings, always still aware of being comfortable in the set and setting of course.

Your mind will start making the connection to fun times, and positive reinforcement and conditioning will kick in. Thank my Psychology course for that :P

This is just one way of course. The alcohol isn&#39;t a must, just an example. Replace the alcohol with anything that you know you are very comfortable with and will keep you from freaking out.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 05:45 AM
Yeah, I&#39;ve had experiences like that before, but never with weed. I don&#39;t know what happened to you. I&#39;ve never heard of people having bad trips while smoking marijuana.

This is just a thought, but has anything been troubling you lately? Social pressures, et cetera? I&#39;m not asking you to list them, just consider whether or not you have had stressful things on your mind when you were smoking. This is what usually induces bad trips from shrooms or acid, and what happened to you sounds a lot like the bad trips I&#39;ve had, so perhaps you have an unusual, personalized reaction to the marijuana that makes your mental system react to it in the way that it would with stronger hallucinogens.

Just some food for thought.
This wasnt the first time it happened. It was also the reason I stopped smoking weed in the first place. The only worry I have really is nostalgia for being back home. Maybe I have some sub conscious worries that I am not aware of when I am sober...?

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 10 2004, 06:56 AM
I find it odd that alchohol is more of a comfort to you than weed. I like to drink, but I&#39;m starting to chill on it a bit. Alchohol just causes so many more problems, and it can also lead to serious depression, even when you aren&#39;t drinking.
I much prefer alcohol. I think I have just got use to it more, and i tend to be a happy drunk, unless im tired before hand and then i just get even sleepier. I just get high in a better way when i get drunk...I never get depressed after being drunk, I always feel fine and just want to get drunk again.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Che y Marijuana+May 10 2004, 07:30 AM--> (Che y Marijuana @ May 10 2004, 07:30 AM)
The Anarchist [email protected] 8 2004, 04:25 AM
So you think I should just smoke? I stopped smoking because of this, maybe I should have just forced myself to get over it? Maybe when I am back with my mates in sheffield I will take the dive again.
First, you have to make sure you want to. Give yourself a break from it for a while if you have to, don&#39;t force yourself to do it. I know alot of people don&#39;t like the mix of alcohol and weed, but it sounds to me like you&#39;re alot like me. In that you&#39;re now finding more comfort in the alcohol buzz than in the weed high.

I used that to my advantage. I would let myself get a little bit tipsy, no shots or anything, just a little bit tipsy. Then when I&#39;m feeling nice and warm inside, without a care in the world, I would allow myself one or two hits off a joint. Nothing major, just to get a little high.

The alcohol keeps you from giving a shit, and the weed gets you high. Tada&#33; No paranoia. From there, you can start to do some real Psychology. Basically, you&#39;re looking for some positive conditioning.

Your mind has, for some reason or other, connected weed with a dark place in your psyche. The only way to erase a bad connection, is to make a good one.

How do you do that?

Well, I&#39;ll quote something from the Marijuana Party of Canada here:


Set and setting
Responsible users take care in considering the set and setting before choosing to consume. This choice can be made based on the personal values and experience of the users as well as on the social and physical circumstances.
Follow that guideline, your goal is to have fun every single time you smoke and keep on a roll for as long as you keep it up. Better not to smoke than to break the pattern of good, fun, clean times.

So, at first, you can use the training wheels. That is, if you feel comfortable with alcohol, connect it to that. Start with the comfortable. As time passes, you&#39;ll find yourself getting more and more comfortable smoking, and you&#39;ll be getting that feeling of dread less and less.

Then you can start smoking without alcohol, and start smoking in different settings, always still aware of being comfortable in the set and setting of course.

Your mind will start making the connection to fun times, and positive reinforcement and conditioning will kick in. Thank my Psychology course for that :P

This is just one way of course. The alcohol isn&#39;t a must, just an example. Replace the alcohol with anything that you know you are very comfortable with and will keep you from freaking out. [/b]
Good thinking batman&#33;&#33;

Your idea may just work...but no more weed for me while im in Africa...i&#39;ll wait until i get home&#33;

[Eastside Revolt]

Weed is just about the only drug that I don&#39;t get depressed from. I even get depressed on "e" if you can imagine that. :huh:

[Guest1]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 10 2004, 04:29 AM
Good thinking batman&#33;&#33;

Your idea may just work...but no more weed for me while im in Africa...i&#39;ll wait until i get home&#33;
Yeah, it&#39;s what I did. Anyways, I wouldn&#39;t do it in Africa either, that would sketch me out. I know it took me a while to stop worrying about doing it in the middle east when I was there.

Anyways, good luck man :)

[suffianr]

Why do you think this happened to me?

Your body was just responding to something that it had been without for so long. Just a perverse chemical reaction to something your brain thought it had, long since, relinquished any form of susceptibility to...in other words, you might as well stay clean, dude.

On the other hand, maybe you just had a lousy spliff.

I once sent a small pack of weed to a friend who was a lab technician at a hospital, just for the sake of finding out how much THC was actually there...It turned out that about 40% of the pack was made up of crushed papaya leaves, coke residue and pesticide.

Nice.

[karma-cola]

Man smoking is bad.

The only thing i have ever smoked till today is
exhaust fumes and industrial pollutants

I have no choice because the air around me is like
the devils fart.

Smoking fucks up your brain for good and the damage is irreversible :unsure:
It causes seroius chemical imbalances in your brain.

In the long run you end up pyscho-somatic disorders.

Once addicted you cannot quit man
Your life goes up in smoke along with the weed

If you want to get high "get high on life"
Thats what drives me and keeps me high

[Guest1]

Originally posted by karma&#045;[email protected] 12 2004, 02:16 AM
Man smoking is bad.

The only thing i have ever smoked till today is
exhaust fumes and industrial pollutants

I have no choice because the air around me is like
the devils fart.

Smoking fucks up your brain for good and the damage is irreversible :unsure:
It causes seroius chemical imbalances in your brain.

In the long run you end up pyscho-somatic disorders.

Once addicted you cannot quit man
Your life goes up in smoke along with the weed

If you want to get high "get high on life"
Thats what drives me and keeps me high
Utter bullshit.

Sorry man, but while weed is not harmless, this stuff is way out of line.

Of all people who smoke, less than 10% get addicted, and none of those are chemical addictions.

Furthermore, did you know there was one proven case of a link between Marijuana and death?

Yeah, the guy got crushed under a crate full of the stuff.

[Danton]

A French legoinarrie once smoked two ounces of Morrocan hashish in a day, he slept coma-like for three days but suffered no ill-effects.. It&#39;s true the lethal dose is a nine bar dropped on your skull from a eighth floor balcony..

TAT it seems youv&#39;e had the fear, the internal microscope.. Once you start examining negative aspects you get in an atavistic state of self loathing, this is a downward spiral... You threw a whitey.. A mild paranoid episode, temporary phsychosis..

The best thing to do is say fuck it, fuck everyone and everything, ride the snake
be nihlist about it..

[karma-cola]

Originally posted by Che y Marijuana+May 12 2004, 07:22 AM--> (Che y Marijuana @ May 12 2004, 07:22 AM)
karma&#045;[email protected] 12 2004, 02:16 AM
Man smoking is bad.

The only thing i have ever smoked till today is
exhaust fumes and industrial pollutants

I have no choice because the air around me is like
the devils fart.

Smoking fucks up your brain for good and the damage is irreversible :unsure:
It causes seroius chemical imbalances in your brain.

In the long run you end up pyscho-somatic disorders.

Once addicted you cannot quit man
Your life goes up in smoke along with the weed

If you want to get high "get high on life"
Thats what drives me and keeps me high
Utter bullshit.

Sorry man, but while weed is not harmless, this stuff is way out of line.

Of all people who smoke, less than 10% get addicted, and none of those are chemical addictions.

Furthermore, did you know there was one proven case of a link between Marijuana and death?

Yeah, the guy got crushed under a crate full of the stuff. [/b]
Look man all i know is nothing good ever comes out of smoking

Whether it kills you or makes you impotent is your problem not mine

Do what you want <_<

[Guest1]

Look, I was harsh on you, ok?

However, you have to undertsand it really is not as bad as the government makes it out to be. Everytime Canada has had scientists investigate it over the past fourty years, they have recommended it be completely legalized, stating there are no serious ill-effects. Even less than alcohol.

That being said, there is such a thing as responsible drug use. We appreciate your concern, but you are preaching abstinence instead of condom-use. It doesn&#39;t work, people don&#39;t listen, they&#39;ll still do it. Teach them how to do it safely instead.

Ok dude? :)

[karma-cola]

Thats ok I was not offended ;)

When i meant smoking i used it as a general for any form of
inhaled substance which includes ciggrates.

The damage caused by ciggrates does not need to be elaborated

Legaizing would only encourage non-smokers to try it.(marijuana)
Once hooked to amrijuana they move on to higher levels cocaine,acid etc

Freedom for people to do what they want is is good
But with great freedom comes great responsibility
Today an average guy anywhere in the world is a slave to materliasm
or resisting it.
His understanding of the world is minimal
He is in no position to enjoy the freedom responsibly.

He neither understands the value of freedom or its significance.
He does not understand the consquences of his action.
So I a m for a total ban until makind evolves to a more mature level

Lets see what will happen :) ,
NO point arguing because nothings much in our hands
at this point of time