Human abuse on animals

[Subversive Pessimist]

What do you think of it? Should we refuse people to slaughter, and then eat animals? What should we do about the exploiting of animals?

[The Feral Underclass]

Not sure this belongs in Theory...

I think that animals are all nice and that, but at the moment we have other things to think about. If you wonna eat meat, do it, if you wanna boycott the meat industry for its cruel use of a slaughter gun then dont. But lets put things into perspective. Workers rights are vastly more important than the right of a pig or a chicken. Lets deal with one thing, and I am sure the other will follow nicly.

[antieverything]

You goddam specist!

...nah, I agree.


Should we refuse people to slaughter, and then eat animals?
I'm seeing if the driveway, no?

[cebert]

Well I love meat. I cant imagine a life without beef, lamb and pork. However, I doubt I could personally slaughter those beasts without feeling bad. Somebody else will have to do it. Ya I know, just another inconsistancy I have to sort out.

[redstar2000]

It's a matter of record, I think, that the meat-packing industry is one of the most dangerous industries to work in that there is; the death rate is low but the risk of serious and crippling injuries is very high.

If that were corrected, I see nothing in communist principles that would prohibit the eating of meat.

On the other hand, I gather from the pages of the Anarchist News Service that "veganism" is becoming almost "compulsory" in many anarchist groups.

The group known as "Food not Bombs", for example, began feeding the homeless bologna sandwiches back in the 1980s...now it's some sort of vegan stuff. And when I see that an anarchist group in some city is having some kind of picnic or other public celebration, they prominently mention that the food provided will be vegan.

It's a very odd conjunction of ideas...and doesn't help anarchists "connect" with the working class very well.

I wonder why they do that.

:redstar2000:

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[communist_comrade]

hey,

well i probably couldnt kill the animals but i love eating them....delicious

[The Feral Underclass]

I know some anarchists who are vegitarians because they principly disagree with the way animals are treated, but I have never met an anarchist would has theoretically argued for veganism.

I can only assume that the question of authority is taken to a new level. Some anarchists may hold the opinion that authority over animals is just as wrong as holding authority over a human.

[Subversive Pessimist]

That's really dobbel standard. "Uuuuh, we must not exploit the workers, poor little humans, but to hell with the animals! Let's slaughter them! As long as I get meat on the table, I don't care about who's suffering!"

[Raisa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 08:37 PM
Well I love meat. I cant imagine a life without beef, lamb and pork.
Eventually you'd probably foget what it tastes like. I forgot how beef tastes cause I never eat it. Im not sure how ham tastes cause I never eat that either. Last time I checked I hated it. Ham tastes silly. But you cant crave something if you dont know how it tastes.

[Raisa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2004, 04:29 PM
That's really dobbel standard. "Uuuuh, we must not exploit the workers, poor little humans, but to hell with the animals! Let's slaughter them! As long as I get meat on the table, I don't care about who's suffering!"
I understand that. Thats how I feel about it. But right now, like I said, the human race is thick with capitalism, and as we struggle in a system that barely if at all cares about human beings, dont expect much for the amials today.

[Raisa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 08:37 PM
Well I love meat. I cant imagine a life without beef, lamb and pork. However, I doubt I could personally slaughter those beasts without feeling bad. Somebody else will have to do it. Ya I know, just another inconsistancy I have to sort out.
Eventually you probably will forget how those things taste. I do not remeber the way beef tastes, becasue I never eat it. So I never crave it. You cant crave a thing if you dont know what it tastes like.

[cebert]

That's really dobbel standard. "Uuuuh, we must not exploit the workers, poor little humans, but to hell with the animals! Let's slaughter them! As long as I get meat on the table, I don't care about who's suffering!"

Well thats a pretty silly argument. I dont think its immoral, or even a double standard to slaughter a beast for food... Just that I would have trouble doing it myself. And I'm not the only one who is inconsistant with this. Killing them for sport ( or fun)... Thats another story. Anyway, human life always comes before animal life.

[DaCuBaN]

Anyway, human life always comes before animal life

I disagree... I have no qualms about the idea of eating human flesh over animal flesh: I fail to see any discernable difference. My beef is with the premature ending of life, and the breeding in captivity for our consumption.

FYI I am an omnivore

[Akasha]

I have recently made the decision to go veggie. I used to be a big meat eater...like two meals a day consisted of animal. i have completely cut out meat and dairy. physically i have never felt better. Plus, after seeing the video "meet your meat" I can now say that I'm not making the world worse by exploiting another species. Yes a lower one than us but isn't that one of the best ways to judge a society? How it treats the lowest of it's species.

[DaCuBaN]

I agree: the practices involved in meat production are horrific. I am a firm believer in hunting for food though - If people can stomach it themselves, why should we object? It becomes an ideological thing there, and not something that can be rationally argued as easily.

I just wish that I could hunt in the uk

[BOZG]

Nothing like a nice steak. I wish I had one right now.

[Jesus Christ]

i guess this singles me out as crazy then...
i see everything as a living thing, whose natural rights should not be violated or disrupted by humans, everything has a right to live, a lion has just as much right to live as a secretary, but thats just me...

[truthaddict11]

so according to your position we shouldnt eat at all. after all grain, fruits, vegetables are living arent they? :rolleyes:

[Jesus Christ]

lol dont become a smartass
anything that can try and run away from me id rather not eat..

[truthaddict11]

what if a cow didnt have legs :P and we cant forget veal those guys cant move much

[Jesus Christ]

i hate you lol

[truthaddict11]

sorry but you need to be more specific when you talk about what living things you eat, you could have easily said "i dont eat animals"

[DaCuBaN]

I've always seen the dividing line as something having eyes....

Odd as it sounds, I can't think of any contradictions to it...

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

So you'd eat worms? or maggots?

And you wouldn't eat potatoes, because they have eyes...

[RedAnarchist]

Dont potatoes have ears, not eyes?

If you dont eat anything with eyes, then you cant eat -

fruIt
spInach
aubergInes

and so on... :lol:

[DaCuBaN]

i hate you lol

ditto man :P :lol:

You know what I mean ;)

Let me rephrase: You can't eat anything that has optical sensing capabilites other than for the purposes of photosynthesis :rolleyes:

[Kaan]

Though I am a vegetarian, I for one reason or another hate other vegetarians. Not all of them, just the "uppity" ones. I don't know what the deal is. I think the decision to eat meat at this point is up to the person, this is an issue to deal with after the workers have been liberated. I agree with red star on the fact that leftist groups advocating veganism alienates the workers from them, those "uppity vegetarian" groups are tarnishing the popular view of leftism too, as most of them hold somewhat leftist/liberal politics.

[karma-cola]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 7 2004, 03:27 PM
Not sure this belongs in Theory...

I think that animals are all nice and that, but at the moment we have other things to think about. If you wonna eat meat, do it, if you wanna boycott the meat industry for its cruel use of a slaughter gun then dont. But lets put things into perspective. Workers rights are vastly more important than the right of a pig or a chicken. Lets deal with one thing, and I am sure the other will follow nicly.
I agree

We need to start a People for Ethical treatment to humans(PETH)

Later, we can think of animals

Maybe we could get pamela anderson to come over and show her tits
to express her solidarity with our organisation (PETH);)

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 09:39 PM

i hate you lol

ditto man :P :lol:

You know what I mean ;)

Let me rephrase: You can't eat anything that has optical sensing capabilites other than for the purposes of photosynthesis :rolleyes:
So you DO eat worms and maggots!

[Dottie Commie]

I'm a vegetarian. I've been one since I was 8 and saw a film on pig farming.

It's perfectly possible to care about other animals aswell as humans, you don't have to choose sides. I am very active in both fields, human rights AND the rights of other animals aswell as the planet. And all these issues are interelated. Look at Brazil. The Brazilian rain forrests are being destroyed to grow soya. That soya is not to feed vegetarians as the pro-meat thugs will have you believe. That soya is for producing animal feed. The destruction of rain forrests is funded by the fast food corporations. Plus look how many more people an area of land will feed if you grow maize instead of a few cows. And the fight against McShite is about standing against human exploitation, animal cruelty and the destruction of the planet. These issues can't be seperated.

[Nas]

i think we should clone the hell out of animals we eat ....

nah im just joking ,

we should be careful when treating animals

[DaCuBaN]

So you DO eat worms and maggots!

I eat anything ;)

Pass me your leg... no I'm not going to eat it... honest....

[Dottie Commie]

I think we should start eating capitalists. Let's face it they've been feeding on us for years. Consider it like a food cycle. They feed on our labour then we feed on their arses. Brilliant!

Bill Gates kebab anyone?

[Subversive Pessimist]

Haha, that's funny!

However, I think we should start with lowering our food consumption of meat. I am a bodybuilder, and need meat, but I still try to lower my daily meals, with more veggies and less meat. That is possible for everyone. The human body is not created for eating meat all day. It's created to eat meat once in a while.

[OverthrowtheGovt16]

I'm a vegan. I've been one for a year.