Fascism

[revolutionary thinker]

All I know about Facism is Italy was a facist state when Mussonili was running it. But I have no clue what kind of government it is. Could someone please enlighten me?

[Morpheus]

Fascism is a political theory advocating a totalitarian state under a single dictator or party. All opposition is annhiliated through terror and extreme censorship; everyone is to agree with the state or they are to go to jail and/or die. Typically there is extreme suppression of labor but some allow unions to exist provided they are completely subservient to the state and don't upset the status quo. Fascist states are often very friendly towards big business (since they suppress labor & all opposition), but not towards the free market as they sometimes implement stringent regulations and sometimes even nationalized a limited amount of the economy. Some implement a kind of central planning whereby the heads of big business & the state get together and plan out the economy. Fascists are very patriotic, militaristic & imperialist. They tend to see their own country as being superior and advocate that it build an empire and dominate the globe (perhaps in alliance with other fascist states). Fascists tend to worship the state and are often racists.

[ComradeRed]

Basically, it is what everyone mistakes communism to be;however, it is "protecting" capitalism against the "wicked" "evil" communists. It is the complete opposite of marxism.

[Comrade Zeke]

FASCISM simply mean:A beilife that a Party,political System,religion,race, or a person is suppieor to all other things in life that one idea in which you obbsecced over makes you a facists unless your the leader then you obbssed over yourself and the country. Fasciast states as everyone says is so pro-right that it tottally tries to wipe out all oppsosion from pro-leftist parties and Communists. Fascists beilive that the "Leader" or there race is suppior to everyone in the world and if you don't like it well.........we will just kill you so shut the fuck up.

Here is some example of Facist states left in the world: The leader of Turkmenistan Saparmurat Niyazov does all this that makes him a prominate Faciast:Niyazov is an authoritarian leader and is well known for his massive cult of personality. Believing Turkmenistan to be a nation devoid of a national identity, he has attempted to rebuild the country in his own image. He renamed a town on the Caspian Sea Turkmenbashi after himself, in addition to renaming several schools, airports and even a meteorite after himself and his immediate family. Large portraits of the President hang all over the country, especially on major public buildings and avenues, and statues of himself and his mother are scattered all over Turkmenistan, including one in the middle of the Kara Kum desert. Niyazov has also commissioned a massive palace in Ashgabat commemorating his rule. His effigy is on Turkmen television and Ashgabat's largest building, the Neutrality Arch, boasts a gigantic 12-meter-high gold plated statue of himself which revolves once per day and follows the sun. The education system exists solely to indoctrinate young Turkmen to love Niyazov, with Niyazov's works and speeches making up the majority of their textbooks' content.

Anthor example of a Faciast is the dictator of North Korea he makes me sick Kim Jong the 2.
Kim Jong-il has shown no signs of shrinking its huge military - probably the highest relative to the size of the economy of any country in the world. He had made no attempts what so every to feed his starving people, and thousand flee to China each year. He had a massive cult of personality and if you even utter he is bad in North Korea well your never going to be seen again.

Most other Faciasts arn't tollerated throughout the world the U.S.A. wipe them out thankfully. Dead Faciasts include Hitler, Mussollini, and Fransico Franco. Stalin could be called a Faciast along with several other "supposed Communist leaders" except for that fact Stalin and most of the "Supposed Communist leaders" tryed their best to help their people and make their countires great...they tryed and they succedded but half of their countires population was slaving or dieing like in Mao Zeogong's China.

[Blackberry]

Fascism as a political ideology (Source: Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#Italian_fascism)):


In an article in the 1932 Enciclopedia Italiana, written by Giovanni Gentile and attributed to Benito Mussolini, fascism is described as a system in which "The State not only is authority which governs and molds individual wills with laws and values of spiritual life, but it is also power which makes its will prevail abroad. ...For the Fascist, everything is within the State and ... neither individuals or groups are outside the State. ...For Fascism, the State is an absolute, before which individuals or groups are only relative."

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The word fascism has come to mean any system of government resembling Mussolini's, that exalts nation and often race above the individual, and uses violence and modern techniques of propaganda and censorship to forcibly suppress political opposition, engages in severe economic and social regimentation, and espouses nationalism and sometimes racism (ethnic nationalism).

Fascism as an economic ideology:

Benito Mussolini once described fascism as corporatism. Historically, corporatism is an economic system in which legislative representation is given to industries. Under Fascism in Italy, employers were organised into syndicates known as corporations according to their industries, and these groups were given representation in a legislative body known as the “Camera dei Fasci e delle Corporazioni”.

[cebert]

Fascism:

"Open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, most chauvinistic and most imperialist elements of finance capital".

The bourgeous, unable to maintain its rule turns to fascism to supress the working class, thereby preventing or forstalling socialist revolution. The class nature hasn't changed with fascism. The bourgeous has merely replaced one form of class rule, "Parliamentary democracy" with another , "open terrorist dictatorship". Mussolini (himself a former socialist) refered to fascism as an "alternative" to socialist revolution.

[ComradeRed]

Zeke, what you just described is nazism; fascism is the preservation of capitalism by having the bourgeoisie run both business and state in a central authority; hence whi most people confuse it with communism. However, the difference is fascism the government can do anything without any reason to it, they control everything; whereas in communism the proletarians rise up and take power from the bourgeoisie. Basically, it is the excuse to do whatever you want and kill those who do not do as you want.

[monkeydust]

Fascism is often best understood by looking at traditional fascist regimes, most notably, Italy under Mussolini.

Fascism, as it is generally know, was first created by Benito Mussolini. So what actually is Fascism? I shall offer a brief definition.

Fascism is a political, social and economic idelogy.

Fascism invariably incorporates nationalism, Fascists will always emphasise how 'great' their nation is, or has been in the past. Moreover, Fascism instills such nationalist beliefs if it is adopted as a governing ideology. A fascist is proud of his or her nation, often to the extent that he or she is hostile to other nations. An extreme example would be the Nazi treatment of Jews.

Fascists believe in strength through conflict; at both a social and national level. Hence fascists tend to be 'social darwinists', emphasising 'survival of the fittest' as a desirable doctrine. At a national scale this may lead Fascists to adopt an aggresive foreign policy, in order to gain territory, by means of 'healthy competition'. Fascists are invariably very militaristic.

Fascists believe in autocracy, and a rule by a single dicator. It must be noted however that this leader can often act as a figurehead. Of course Hitler and Mussolini didn't single handedly govern their respective countries, less prominent individuals had a major influence. However a 'cult of personality' is developed surroudning a single leader, to the point at which he or she seems 'Godlike'.

Fascists advocate a totalitarian state. Realistically this entails a banning of all opposing parties, often a 'secret' police force. Policies of indoctrination and heavy use of propaganda are also common.

A Fascists' economic policy is predominantly capitalist. Though it must be noted that Fascists do not love the free market to the extent of Liberal capitalists. In many cases a Fascist government may nationalise key industries.

Fascism is often seen as the antithesis of individualism. Quite frankly, Fascist advocate strong unity, and uniformity above difference dissagreement. To a Fascist, blind obedience is desirable, people should feel part of a larger community, not simply an atomised individual. In this way, Fascism is a throughly Communitarian ideology.

[Comrade Zeke]

I think your Mistakend Comrade Red...Hitler wanted to make more power to the government of the Nazi party not the Capitalists if anything he made sure no Capitalists went into his country. Facaism you think something is suppioer....Goerge Bush is a Faciast cause he thinks America is the best best best nation on earth and he hates all other nations he had probally never even went to all the nations he hates so he can't judge he is using a kind of Facicaism he is thinking his country is supioer, I my view all countries have goods and bads and they all have amazing and unquie cultures..
once again sorry for the spelling
Zeke

[Salvador Allende]

Fascism is based around the state. There is one leader and in essence, he leads the state. Everyone is below the state in everyway. Fascism promotes extreme nationalism and sees the military as a natural way of life because only the strongest survive. It is the opposite of Communism and thus, Communists and Fascists have always hated each other. US President George W. Bush displays many Fascist ideals.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Not again....anyway:

Fascism is a system where the state and authority is worshipped. This means that an ultra-nationalist elite takes power and they concentrate a ridiculous ammount of power. Fascism worships the state, the nation, authority, private property, their leader, force, and their are often racists.
Fascism is very authoritarian and anti-democratic. It appears as a reaction to socialist ideas, and as a mix of nationalist values and capitalism. Fascists claim that some "exceptional great men" are "chosen by God" to "lead our glorious nation", we must wait the arrival of those men that will bring our nation "greatness", even if that means sacrificing all our freedoms for the nation.
For fascists the nation is the most important thing, the state must control almost everything and it must rule the individual, that's it's purpose. Fascism is usually militarist, imperialist, and such regimes hate democracy, socialism, communism, anarchism, liberalism, foreigners, people with disabilities and sometimes those from other races.
Fascists say that people from one nation must "cooperate" to make the nation "great" at all costs, so they reject Marxism (they want the classes to forget their differences and join). Then the nation must try to expand, which is a way to show it's strength. So their social darwinists views can be resumed by saying that those on a nation must cooperate but at the same time compete ("survival of the fittest" makes the nation "great") to make the nation achieve it's maximum greatness. This is then followed by expanding the army with high expenses on it.
Fascists try to brainwash people with different propaganda and searching a scapegoat. It appears in a moment where capitalism is in crisis to save it. However fascists advocate "corporatism", an economical system where the state unites with the businesses and tries to organize both employers and employees to coordinate their tasks and blah blah blah. They also use some socialist measures from time to time, but they keep the capitalist property and market most times, but try to control it. Fascist regimes can lie and be really corrupt but nobody seems to care much about that. Workers syndicates tend to be attacked, there's huge repression and control of the masses.
There are different types of "fascism", including Mussolini's fascism, Nazism, Falangism, Peronism, various ultra-conservative regimes, many theocracies and even some ultra-totalitarian leftists (they are all not the same but share many things). Fascism is the defense the bourgeoisie has from the spread of Communism. Once it's not needed anymore and people's been brainwashed enough (usually after murdering all "those damn leftists"), then it's time to bring the "good old" representative "democracy". Fascists are usually conservative on social issues as well as in many economical and political ones.
So fascism is the mix of the capitalist order, modern feudalism, theocracy, extreme conservatism, totalitarianism and occasionally some crappy socialist policies.

[ComradeRed]

I beg to differ, zeke, I maintain that fascism is the preservation of capitalism. When the Nazis from the Eastern Front were being interviewed they said they were on a crusade against communism, that they didn't understand why the allies would be against them. While I agree fascism is part extreme nationalism, it is also extremely capitalist; it is -afterall- the "complete opposite of marxian socialism"(Mussolini).

[Comrade Zeke]

Mussolli was orginally part of the Italian Socliat party intill he gave it a bad name the only reasson Facisciasm is against Communism is because of some stupid big fat insane guy tryed to recreat the Holy Roman Empire! lol. Facisam was born out of Mussolli's hatred of Communism and its elements.
Zeke
sorry about spelling

[Raisa]

Like here is something I consider fascistic.
We know most crime is caused by the struggle, but in our big nationalistic scurry, people decide that instead of fighting poverty they will just make more laws to supress the results, or give the police more powers.
Fascism is lazy.

[ComradeRed]

Zeke, I don't believe you quite understand. Communism was very popular in europe, in Italy the communist party was gaining influence; so mussolini and his colleagues launched the 'march onto rome'. However, the leader thought he was going to be assassinated, so he made mussolini the vice-president, so he could keep an eye on him. Mussolini did what he did as a response to the growth of communism, which was supressed under his heel. Likewise in Germany, Hitler was becoming unruly, and the chancellor made Hitler vice-chancellor; unfortunately, the leaders of both Italy and Germany died leaving the fascists in charge. And in both situations they targeted COMMUNISTS as well as other minorities. Fascism is the bourgeois response to communism; Hitler actually got the support of the bourgeoisie, and tricked a lot of the working class into a frenzy of hatred towards the minorities. Mussolini, however, saw this as being too violent killing the minorities, he just got brown shirts t beat them up.

[monkeydust]

Comrade red


Likewise in Germany, Hitler was becoming unruly, and the chancellor made Hitler vice-chancellor

No he didn't.

Hitler turned down the opportunity to be Vice Chancellor.


Hitler actually got the support of the bourgeoisie

Yes, he did get the support of some of the bourgeoisie. Though it's not as if they were controlling him.

They thought they could manipulate him for their own interests. In the end, the reverse happened.

[Comrade Zeke]

Ok I can proove he was a Socalist and he betrayed the Italian Socailist party
My favorite site:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini

Mussolini was born in Predappio, near Forlì, in Romagna. His father, Alessandro, was a blacksmith, and his mother, Rosa Maltoni, was a teacher. He was named Benito after Mexican revolutionary Benito Juárez. Like his father, Benito became a SOCAILIST and later a MARXIST. He was influenced by what he read of Friedrich Nietzsche, and another doctrine that was in the air was the "syndicalism" espoused by the French writer Georges Sorel (1847-1922). He qualified as an elementary schoolmaster in 1901. In 1902 he emigrated to Switzerland. Unable to find a permanent job there and arrested for vagrancy, he was expelled and returned to Italy to do his military service. After further trouble with the police, he joined the staff of a newspaper in the Austrian town of Trento in 1908.

Out of hatred of Socailsim:

although some would say that, like Lenin, he wished for a collapse of society that would bring him to power. Italy was a member of the Triple Alliance, thereby allied with Imperial Germany and the Austro-Hungarian Empire. It did not join the war in 1914 but did in 1915 — as Mussolini wished — on the side of Britain and France.

Called up for military service, Mussolini was wounded in grenade practice in 1917 and returned to edit his paper. Fascism became an organized political movement following a meeting in Milan on March 23, 1919 (Mussolini founded the Fasci di Combattimento on February 23, however). After failing in the 1919 elections, Mussolini at last entered parliament in 1921 as a right-wing member. The Fascisti formed armed squads of war veterans to terrorize socialists and communists. The government seldom interfered. In return for the support of a group of industrialists and agrarians, Mussolini gave his approval (often active) to strikebreaking, and he abandoned revolutionary agitation. When the liberal governments of Giovanni Giolitti, Ivanoe Bonomi, and Luigi Facta failed to stop the spread of anarchy, and after Fascists had organised the demonstrative and threatening Marcia su Roma ("March on Rome") (October 28th 1922), Mussolini was invited by Vittorio Emanuele III to form a new government. He became the youngest Premier in the history of Italy on October 31.

Bento Mussollini cleary betrayed Socalism he was orginally a Socalist got kicked out of the party because he was two party then went right wing and became a murder of Italians

Sorry about spelling
Zeke

[Comrade Zeke]

oh I forgot he was part of the Italian Socilist party some time around 1905 I beilive he was kicked out for some reason
all the other stuff he did was clearly to destroy Socalism

[ComradeRed]

Zeke, I am not debating whether he was a communist/socialist or not, I am debating that fascism is the preservation of capitalism. Or, as lenin put it, the decay of capitalism. Most of the time, how fascists 'preserve' capitalism, is by killing communists/socialists and sometimes anarchists!

[Raisa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2004, 11:10 PM
Zeke, I am not debating whether he was a communist/socialist or not, I am debating that fascism is the preservation of capitalism. Or, as lenin put it, the decay of capitalism. Most of the time, how fascists 'preserve' capitalism, is by killing communists/socialists and sometimes anarchists!
Youre right. And Hitler did appeal to the burgeoisie. They are the ones who usually see what is so "great" about their nation.The poor dont. And the overly ritch alot of times are not too energetic about these things. Their secure. So the Fascists rap to the burgeoisie and of course it appeals to them. Its THEIR country!
"thier runing our great way of life. Its time to cleans our country of its filth! Ungreatful swine, that is holding us back from our destiny as a great nation"

And even workers, becasue sometimes the fascist cause gives them a feeling of ownership and pourpose, or like some one gives a remote crap about them when really its just the soverinity of the country they work for.

[Comrade Zeke]

oh ok sorry. Facism was with the Capitalists I have to admit

[monkeydust]

In case anyone didn't know..........Hitler absolutely despised capitalism, though of course, he hated communism even more.

Hitler certainly preserved capitalism in a sense; but he did not always set out to let capitalism flourish the way it did under his management.

Also, capitalism is somewhat restricted in many Fascist states, as they tend to oppose international trade, in favour of nation economic self-suffiency, or Autarky.

[Rasta Sapian]

fascism - a term used to define a hidden agenda, usually transended onto a group of people through political means...ie. a nationalist leader will use persuision of public speech, propaganda via literature all the way to the media is used.

When people are fighting for a cause that they are unaware, a minipulated mind brainwashed by sociological ethics instilled through nationalism.

Desegregation is often used, of the classes, race, sex, religion, all dehumanized to carry a notion of superiority of a people.

read between the lines, facism is alive today <_<