Vote Bush in '04

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

No, I've not suddenly turned into a Republican.
This is such an obvious thing to do it's a wonder I didn't thinnk of it before.
OK, here's the plan; unlike the Democrats, Bush and Co. are not as good at sweeping things under the carpet. This means more coverage for whatever dreadful deed they commit and subsequently more outrage.

A further term in office for Bush would mean that more people will lose faith in the electoral system and see it for what it is.

Effectively the re-election of Bush will raise the class conciousness even further toward that shining goal, revolution.

Yay or nay?

[Yazman]

But I thought technically Bush wasn't actually elected in the last election? So couldn't he technically be in for 3 terms now?

Anyway. Although I agree with you comrade, I do believe we couldn't predict how Kerry would act during presidency. As it was stated by comrade redstar2000 in his Chomsky thread, just because the democratic candidate is the "peace candidate", this does not mean he will take that course of action during a term of presidency (i.e. Lyndon Johnson?)

Originally posted by redstar2000
Chomsky is old enough (like me) to remember when Lyndon Johnson (Democrat) was the "peace candidate" and Barry Goldwater (Republican) was the "warmonger". The human suffering of the Vietnamese that followed Johnson's election was on an enormous scale! More than a million Vietnamese were murdered by U.S. imperialism.


Should Kerry be elected, it is quite likely that he might turn out to be just like Lyndon Johnson was.

[cubist]

VOTE BUSH, i actually agree it took me along time to come round to this idea but i like it, i would vote bush, let him continue fucking up, becuase hes an idiot son of asshole, an idiot son of an asshole.....

[DORRI]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2004, 02:55 PM

OK, here's the plan; unlike the Democrats, Bush and Co. are not as good at sweeping things under the carpet. This means more coverage for whatever dreadful deed they commit and subsequently more outrage.


I agree with you in this term,being republicans on power makes people all around the world understand what a [...] capitalist yankees really are and I hope it will make something like a revolution happen faster;but obviously in this case we must be ready for more blood

[Comrade Latino]

VOTE BUSH, i actually agree it took me along time to come round to this idea but i like it, i would vote bush, let him continue fucking up, becuase hes an idiot son of asshole, an idiot son of an asshole...

I couldn't agree more.

[ComradeRed]

Are you guys nuts? If you think you have no freedom now, just wait four more years with the thief-in-chief in charge.

What will it accomplish? Nothing. In theory, and only in theory, can this work; whereas in practice it just will only get worse.

[pandora]

This stupid idea is as stupid now as it was when I heard it in 92. Only then it was that artists and musicians and leftists were more active under repression.

Listen punk asses:
The planet and the people on it can't handle another four years of this shit. We're getting fucked. Anyone that thinks the R and D are the same has never worked in social work, it's like budget: now ya have it, now you don't
I remember last election I was thinking about voting for Nader when I passed a social services office where a low income woman 16 pregnant came out, I knew she couldn't make it thru 4 years of Bush. And people like her haven't.
The first act Bush did after 9/11 was slash aid to women with dep children and give it to the military. He was awarded by his party for doing this, a dem would be attacked for it.
Get real! Maybe ask someone with more experience what the difference is, why do you think 90% of African Americans vote Democrat, if certain Southern Democrats heard you talking this shit, and influencing people towards Bush through such rheotric they'd ask your ass outside for an ass whuping with a smile.
Wake up, grow up and get real. Sometimes you have to work with moderates to support social change and protect the planet.

[Sabocat]

I completely agree. GW Bush is the best friend the left ever had. He has energized the left like no other president. :lol:

[Samantha]

Boo, that idea sucks....

"Lets make sure the repressed are even further repressed!"

The Revolution won't come by making sure the government we want overthrown stays in power for longer than necessary. We can't allow the burden to be placed on the environment and those who are already in dire situations for any future revolution.


What will it accomplish? Nothing. In theory, and only in theory, can this work; whereas in practice it just will only get worse.
--I Agree.

[Don't Change Your Name]

what the hell?

it wont make any difference if the yanqui president is a republican or a democrat. If you vote Bu$h things will be as crappy as they are now.
So you yanquis shouldnt vote or vote those closer to your ideas. You are in the worst form of dictatorship that can exist: your are being told you are "free" and that you live in "democracy" but you aren't. This proves why.

[mEds]

that idea is retarded. i think fellow communists should know why it is. "Make change through economic and or/ violent revolution."

[scrap metal]

What if, not just voting for, but massive campaigning for?

Think about it. We don't like Bush (if you do, you've stumbled on to the wrong site). We don't want Bush in office. How would the general capatilist ring-winged American public view it if Bush had a MASSIVE support by communists? Communists for Bush bumperstickers. Pro Bush demonstrations. Speachs on Bush being our new comrade and leader....

it'll never happen, but damn wouldn't that stick it to him?

[karma-cola]

Yay vote for bush
because
a known evil is beter than an unknown evil.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

7 yays and five nays so far.

Yes, Bush does seem to be rather a gift to the left :lol:

[cubist]

pandora i wish to explain my "punk ass" opinoin to your blind existance,

firstly Kerry will do as bush is doing only he will hide it, it will be a year of minor social reform and then back on with the bourgeoise tax cuts back on with the failing to comply wit the global issues of carbon emisions, it will be back with axis of evil,

however by re voting bush the economic destruction will continue, and the chances of social uprising increased, revolution and the awakening of the working class consciousness will not happen if you vote liberal, the more we go to social democracy the lesslikely we will every see real equality and freedom from exploitation of the bourgeoisie

[DaCuBaN]

that idea is retarded. i think fellow communists should know why it is. "Make change through economic and or/ violent revolution."

The whole point is another term in office for bush could well be the spark that sets the revolution in motion! It's merely a matter of whether you believe this true or otherwise, nothing else. I firmly believe the USA to be the key in all this... if the US government could fall, everything else would come into place.

I don't think the time is now, but certainly with no viable candidates to vote for, voting for the bastard is a good choice.


the more we go to social democracy the lesslikely we will every see real equality and freedom from exploitation of the bourgeoisie

couldn't agree more! :D What gets termed 'Social Democracy' simply isn't good enough in my mind. The yanquis democrats are simply not much better than their republican counterparts... who are assholes!

My only hope is that once in power he tries to rescind(sp?) the maximum number of terms for any president. I can see it being an interesting decade :)

[Shredder]

The whole point is another term in office for bush could well be the spark that sets the revolution in motion!

Hey guys, STOP THAT. People aren't just going to revolt because the reactionary candidate carried out (gasp) reactionary policies.

Dig this funny dialogue I wrote. It is an artistic masterpiece that's meant to represent someone who moved so far to the left that he fell off the deep end and contradicts himself and he has a funny name.

Mjolner J. McSmitty the Raging Anarchist: Let's mobilize in support of Bush, maybe it will give the revolution a little oomph!

Shredder: It won't. Another tragic Bush term will just make people vote Democrat harder in 2008. So let's pick Kerry in 2004 and get a few crumbs.

Mjolner J. McSmitty the Raging Anarchist: Kerry and Bush are the exact same candidate!

Shredder: Then why do you want me to vote Bush?

[refuse_resist]

Chances are that if Bush were to get reelected, he would further ruin the economy and lead to its collapse, and that of course is the same exact thing Marx said would happen right before the meltdown of the capitalist system. The economy would get so bad the working class would seize power from their capitalist oppressors.

[DaCuBaN]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2004, 06:11 PM
Chances are that if Bush were to get reelected, he would further ruin the economy and lead to its collapse, and that of course is the same exact thing Marx said would happen right before the meltdown of the capitalist system. The economy would get so bad the working class would seize power from their capitalist oppressors.
YES!

The great thing here being that although our economy is dependant on the US, it's not our economy that would be crashing :lol:

So vote bush! Drive the wedge the US has been building between it and the rest of the globe that little bit further - do YOUR bit for the revolution :D

Honestly: whoever suggested it was on a moment of epiphany.... sheer genious ;)

[Agent provocateur]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2004, 02:55 PM
No, I've not suddenly turned into a Republican.
This is such an obvious thing to do it's a wonder I didn't thinnk of it before.
OK, here's the plan; unlike the Democrats, Bush and Co. are not as good at sweeping things under the carpet. This means more coverage for whatever dreadful deed they commit and subsequently more outrage.

A further term in office for Bush would mean that more people will lose faith in the electoral system and see it for what it is.

Effectively the re-election of Bush will raise the class conciousness even further toward that shining goal, revolution.

Yay or nay?
I've expressed views similar to this on this forum during the presidential election of 2000. I posted my views under the alias "Barrabas." Though I suggested voting for Nader was a better idea (as they say "a vote for Nader is a vote for Bush"). I am not a Republican or a conservative. But I feel (as someone here phrased it) that voting for Kerry will just let a little steam out of the tea pot. This political system has just got to blow like a motherfucker.

[Raisa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2004, 05:25 AM

Mjolner J. McSmitty the Raging Anarchist: Kerry and Bush are the exact same candidate!

Shredder: Then why do you want me to vote Bush?
Bush might be the same candidate as kerry, but no matter what their not the same person. People notice when Bush does things, and becasue hes convinced them hes retarded, they get mad and actually talk about it. Since Bush does things against the lower classes, they talk about it alot more. It raises contiousness which is important, is it not?
If a democrat did something wrong, then the republicans would talk about it. And when they talk they dont indentify with the people. So usually most people dont pay attention.

[seen_che]

:wacko:

Well it sounds kinda crazy but makes sense.....but I cant wote ( i dont live in america :P )....
But hmm...I think you shold think it true more
`There isent a GOOD kandidate ....

[The idealist]

What you intend to do is wind up the spring of anger against the Bush administration. By letting the spring get so wound up it is humming we could spark off a outcry of public resentment of the Bush imperialisme. It is a gamble, but gambling is all we have. If you voted Bush, the spring might or might not get wound up far enough before springing to trigger a revolution, but if you vote Kerry you have no idea what you are voting for apart from the fact that he is claiming to be better than Bush (but hell, I have seen things under rocks that were better at foreign policy than Bush). No matter which way, we are taking a risk. I say "American Communists, Vote Bush. Light the fuse and watch the bang, because it can't be worse than this"

[Shredder]

Bush does things against the lower classes, they talk about it alot more. It raises contiousness which is important, is it not?


Listen children, I'm only saying this once more. People are not going to magically become revolutionary from another term of Bush. At best, they will get pissed and mobilize for a recall to replace him with a democrat. Most probably they'll bend over til 2008.

Why is this? Because to your average adult, there is not only a slight difference between democrats and republicans, but a huge difference. You've convinced yourselves and eachother that Bush and Kerry are two flavors of the same crap. But the people you've got to convince already repudiate ultra-leftists like you--Who are they going to listen to: some 15 year old in a black anarchy t-shirt, or a politician who they know talks in doublespeak but "hey he can't be that bad, can he?"

To me, Kerry is practically the same as Bush. But look at the Kerry campaign. It's completely defining itself by juxtaposition to Bush! He doesn't say "This is what I am," he says, "I am what Bush isn't!" You can't honestly tell me this is the same candidate as far as a rational american voter is concerned. If Kerry wants to see 2008-2012, he's going to have to keep one toe planted on his leftist campaign promises, and that means a less bumpy road, even if it's a road in the same direction.

People aren't going to believe that all politicians are the slaves of big business unless you show it to them in action. This means real-time, present-day evil by a democrat president, not lists of wars started by democrats in the 20th century.

If you really don't mind another Bush term, vote Nader. Don't mess it up for normal people who want a few crumbs from the business table now instead of eternally waiting for the revolution.

[The idealist]

Point taken, but perhaps when people are a little more pissed off at bush, they could be tempted to vote for something more extreme such as a leftist, instead of an other "Please-everybody,-get-the-votes,-skrew-them-all,middleground" politician. they may not listen to us, but they may very well listen to someone more openly different to Bush than Kerry.

[DaCuBaN]

In all honesty we need to throw away this left-right scale and replace it with a prattometer. It really doesn't matter which side of the 'line' you fall on with our current yard stick.

It really pisses me off the way people go around 'classifying' everything. As if everything fits into a nice little pigeonhole in life :rolleyes:

The observations on Kerry and Bush are on the policies they propose if elected: which really don't vary enough to be accounted.

[apathy maybe]

Instead of voting for shrub, vote for the Greens (or Nader), and while your at it petition your states (or is it county) to change the electoral system, try and make it a preferential system so that your vote for a socialist will not be a vote for Bush. first-past-the-post is a shitty system. While your at it, run for one or more of the multiple offices up for election. You could sit on your school board if you have a campaign to make things better for students (and in this case first-past-the-post will probably help you), you could run for sherif (won't get in but hey), judge, etc. Your people in the US are so lucky that there are so many posititions up for grabs (even if you have a shitty system for voting). YOU can make a difference. And for people not in the US, you can make a difference as well, run for local council, you have more chance of getting in then at a state or national level. If your under 18, campain to lower the voting age, you might get politicions thinging that they have a new group of people to cater for.

[RedCeltic]

This may sound silly but more votes for Bush actually legitimize the Bush presidency in some people's eyes believe it or not. Notice for example how pre-election estemate polls become self fufiling proficies. For some reason people want to be on the "winning team"

This is why I would rather support voting for third party candidates ... expecially in the "in play" states where electoral votes are "up for grabs" rather than states that generally go solidly democratic or republican.

Unfortunately lack of planning has really hampered any third party candidate from truly becoming the potential "election spoilers" that the democrats fear.

The way I see it, any self respecting leftist has three options.

1) Vote for a leftist third party candidate

2) Don't vote

3) do a write in vote for some wacky person like Charles Manson or the Uni bomber as a goof. :)

[apathy maybe]

For those of you that are interested in the voting system, here is the essay I have writen for my Intro to Gov unit at Uni. I wrote more thenanother 500 words in 4 hours, I did it. (Chris you can read this now:)).

I have put the finished (well the thing I handed in), in another thread. That thread is http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=24734

[Pejoeang]

Gee, NoXion... What have you been taking? (and can I have some?) That has got one of the most craziest ideas I've ever heard. So crazy, it must just work.... if you have at least 10,000 armed rebels to storm Washington, D.C. on his second inauguration (sp?)... lol :lol:

Seriously, no. Please don't vote Dubya. We, the rest of the world don't like this "idiot son of an asshole" and his multimillionaire cronies in the White House...

Who knows what other countries he might attack? Indonesia? (gasp, no!) Pakistan? Cuba? Like in the Rock Against Bush album booklet: "He isn't just another bad president. He's THE bad president."

[Lefty]

While it is true that Bush has energized the Left more than most other presidents, it'd still be a bad idea to re-elect him because he'll put more evil legislation through and kill more people and rape the environment even more than he has already. Personally, I think it's kind of selfish for us to be willing to sacrifice so much, just so we have a chance of raising more awareness for our cause.