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scrap metal
5th May 2004, 13:59
Ok, so I wanted to find out how you guys view your particular brand of communism. To do this, let's see how you'd react under this scenerio:
You've just been elected the first communist leader of your country. (For those of you who don't know, Salvidor Allende is the ONLY democraticly elected communist.) Giving you the major benefits, you were elected by an 80% landslide, though the other 20% is in fierce opposition to you, and wants nothing more than to see your head on a post.
The people love you so much, they've given you not only complete control of the military, but also complete control of the economy, state, and religion. You are the modern day Muhammad.
The problems you face are left by a capatilist past in your country; a large class of poor people, a tyiny group of elites (those opposed to you), and a lot of policy revolving around imperialism. The benefits you have from a capatist past are a competitive market, low inflation, and a feeling of freedom by the majority of people (notice the word feeling).
So, how do you employ your new economic structure? What type of government do you enforce it under? Do you employ (as some people have said) communism kas the new religion, or do you allow free practice? It's your turn to run things, what do you do?
Touchstone
8th May 2004, 08:50
First, I would abolish any old imperialistic treaties or laws. Second, I would set out to convert those wealthy elite. If that did'nt work, I would kill them.
Hide under some coats and hope that everyhting will work out.
I will get back to you
Roses in the Hospital
8th May 2004, 10:15
Okay:
Firstly surround myself with people who know what they're doing...
Then immediatelly set up alliances with other communist/socialist countries for trade, defence, general support and just genrally spreading the leftist message.
Establish some form of advisory representative democratic structure so that government and people were kept in direct contact and avoid acusations of tyranical dictatorship from capatlist nations.
Try and re-educate and assimilate cappies into the new regime (their economic know how could proove useful if they can be made to chage their ideology) Failing that have them arrested (if there's sufficient groud) or simply have them emigrate to somewhere where they can't do any harm.
Abolish any unjustified bourgois laws and relace them with ones that benifit everyone.
Sevre all state ties with organised religion and leave it to die out without state interference...
Once the country is relativly secure begin the move toward Communism by nationalisation of public services and expulsion of big buisness, and the reorganisation of tax structures to promote fairer distrobution of wealth...
After no more than a decade I would retire before the power went to my head and go and spread the revolutionary message elsewhere, leaving someone else to look after the country while socialism runs it's course...
Misodoctakleidist
8th May 2004, 10:42
1) Induce hyperinflation by printing loads of money.
2) Sack my government.
3) Resign.
You've just been elected the first communist leader of your country. (For those of you who don't know, Salvidor Allende is the ONLY democraticly elected communist.)
He was also a man who refused to challenge the capitalist system and who refused to extend the revolution in Chile.
The people love you so much, they've given you not only complete control of the military, but also complete control of the economy, state, and religion. You are the modern day Muhammad.
I'd turn around and give the power right back to them. Power should never lie in the hands of the state appartus but in the 'state' as a whole, ie the people themselves.
The military should be disbanded after a revolutionary situation and the creation of workers' militias advanced.
So, how do you employ your new economic structure?
There must be a complete expropiation of imperialism and the homegrown bourgeoisie. The resoures of such a country must be democratically used by the proleteriat. All possible resources should be given to extending the revolution abroad. Failure to do this and to crush the capitalist class of that country will inevitably result in counter-revolution.
Do you employ (as some people have said) communism kas the new religion, or do you allow free practice?
Seperation of Church and State. People should be allowed to practise in the home.
EDIT: Typo
First, all Atheists and poor people would sent to the gas chamber and then cremated.
Then I would go about setting up harems of women all over the country for my personal pleasure just like Mao did and just like any other good Communist would do.
Capitalist Imperial
8th May 2004, 20:14
I would never want to be that kind of leader, but incidentally it sounds to me like the exact kind of nation that I would take certain pleasure in bombing back to the stone age from 10,000 feet.
Comrade Raz
9th May 2004, 11:22
(For those of you who don't know, Salvidor Allende is the ONLY democraticly elected communist.)
Actually Ho Chi Minh was elected by the people of North Vietnam and it looked certain that he would also be elected in S. Vietnam, but then the US sent in troops to protect the undemocratic S. Vietnamise government.
They even teach us this in our capitalist propagagnda history lessons.
<<<The problems you face are left by a capatilist past in your country; a large class of poor people, a tyiny group of elites (those opposed to you), and a lot of policy revolving around imperialism. The benefits you have from a capatist past are a competitive market, low inflation, and a feeling of freedom by the majority of people (notice the word feeling).>>>
The utilities are now socilaized, so every one gets what they need. College is socialized. With socialist hands we crush poverty. The best way to defeat class is to make it mean nothing any more with socialism.
We should focus on cleaning up our country so socialism never looks like shit.
Some people have horrendous standards of living and that needs to definately be changed, if we are going to free ourselves of the inhuman negligence of capitalism.
There is so much involved! Alot of real little things. Abroad, imperialist things should be done away with, we are better then that now, we dont need to opress other people in order to have "freedom."
And for the reactionary opposition, say any thing you want! While you talk we are helping people find work, enjoy their society, and enjoy all the things that your class is trying to take away from them like you did for centuries. I'd tell them," we have freedom, so what are you fighting for?" We are always here for you if you want to stop chasing us around with our old shackles and join us :)
As for violent opposition, thats illeagal! We dont go shooting you!
<<<Do you employ (as some people have said) communism kas the new religion, or do you allow free practice?>>>
No, I dont believe in abolishing religon or any thing like that. No book buring, no banning films.
Doing these things is not fighting the problem its meerly a futile and opressive reaction to the results. Religon is from opression and destitute. When people dont feel the need to be religous, they wont. And we can lead them there by being the government that gives people a reason-- faith in themselves.
But religon's politcal power should be ousted for ever, in every kind of way. When you step into your government job, the people are your god.
when communism is taught as a "religon," the principles should be the main focus. People HAVE to be taught at very young ages, that they matter. What do people who dont "matter" do, they usually please only themselves becasue they dont think they have ANY impact. But we know that tradgedy is not true because it takes people to make a change, and that is what they are. So, believe it or not, the key thing is esteem. From that, it brings relevance to teaching people simple things like respect for others, relyability, sharing, helping when you see a problem, and being a comrade, if not a friend. Things that are essential for communism.
You would be surprised, but alot of this is real little things that we really have to pay attention to, as well as the greater things. But alot of the greater thigns are just a real lot of small things all together, that if we do them in detail, capitalisms feet will fall from under itself in no time.
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