A News American Flag

[OverthrowtheGovt16]

After our government is overthrown ( if we ever succeed in such a task) we would need to abolish the old flag and pick a new one. Therefore I propose this thread so we can think of and draw new designs. Here is my entry:

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[antieverything]

It sucks...please move this to Graphics.

[truthaddict11]

moving

[Fidel Castro]

How about a simple red flag? Or wouldn't it be symbolic to adopt the Soviet Hammer and Sickle, as that is basically the symbol of communism, socialism and working class struggle anyway?

[MiniOswald]

speaking of new flags, has anyone seen the flag for the new iraq. goto bushflash.com for an interesting story on it

[antieverything]

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[BOZG]

AE,

The stripes should still be removed in my opinion.


Fidel Castro,

The anarchists and non-Leninists tend to not like the hammer & sickle. Foolish people.

[antieverything]

BOZG, I don't give a fuck about the symbology--you guys are all idiotic little kids who need to live in reality for a change. I only posted that for the novelty and it comes from an 80s tv series called "Amerika"

[Dune Dx]

we need to live in reality? hello over a thousand posts. and if your not a kid thats worse have you nothing better to do with your life than come here and post?

[BOZG]

My my, aren't we in a bad mood today. As for immaturity....

[Dune Dx]

who?

[BOZG]

antieverything

[antieverything]

I'm talking about the fact that these people are talking about the intricacies of a post-revolution American flag. Hell, even the thought of post-revolution anything is a sign that one needs to reevaluate their ideas.

[antieverything]

Aw, fuck it. I'm sorry.

[BOZG]

Fair enough, fair enough. I didn't actually look into the thread that much. I was looking at it as a "design a flag" thread.

[Dune Dx]

yeah the ideas behind the thread suck but still people like to design flags...

[antieverything]

Yeah, I appologize...designing flags is fun. Hell, I used to do it all the time!

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Someone mentioned Iraq's new flag. Here's the 'article'. It's really good, and the flag is fucking shameful.

http://www.bushflash.com/flag.html

[MiniOswald]

yer RZ i cant beleive it, no consideration at all, oh yeah and to be fair i cant really see any revolutions happening in america. its a country built on the dream of chasing the dollar, thats why it managed claw itself above others and thats what fuels it. it aint never gonna be changed, maybe horribly scarred after a big war but its people with never change, patriotic fools

[Dyst]

Haha, they probably thought they were designing Swedens new flag or something... That was the most motherfugly thing I have ever seen.

[Dune Dx]

really how hard can it be to get the right colour?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

oh yeah and to be fair i cant really see any revolutions happening in america. its a country built on the dream of chasing the dollar, thats why it managed claw itself above others and thats what fuels it. it aint never gonna be changed, maybe horribly scarred after a big war but its people with never change, patriotic fools

I have a feeling it'll happen in really bad, shitty times whenever all the shit that Americans have had to take from the capitalists catches up with them. Change will come whenever times are really bad. Just look at all the changes that had to be made to pull this country out of the depression.

[Xvall]

Not to rail on you or anything, Boz, but as far as maturity goes, you're the one who stated that anarchists and non-leninists were foolish people because they dislike the hammer and sickle. (Which isn't even true, by the way.)

[Kurai Tsuki]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2004, 08:49 PM
Someone mentioned Iraq's new flag. Here's the 'article'. It's really good, and the flag is fucking shameful.

http://www.bushflash.com/flag.html
Hopefully the resistance will fight the Americans long enough for them to leave Iraq, no Arab country should have the shame of a U.S. designed flag.

[Guest1]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2004, 01:51 PM
Fidel Castro,

The anarchists and non-Leninists tend to not like the hammer & sickle. Foolish people.
Where the hell did you get that from?

I wear the hammer and sickle proudly very often. I see you still haven't figured out which side of the barricades you're on BOZG. Well, when you get tired of fighting against people who believe in classless, stateless society simply cause you disagree about when to go stateless, we'll still be here ready to fight alongside you.

Stop making a mountain out of a molehill.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Stop making a mountain out of a molehill.

Is that a referrence to the disputes between the various factions of socialism, specificaly Marxism-Leninism and anarchism? I think our disagreements are pretty important, and they're not going to be settled untill some real action takes place, and you central authority-less paradise is met with some inevitable problems and you come running to the idea of democratic centralism like a frightened little girl.

[BOZG]

Where the hell did you get that from?

For starters, calm down. I get this from personal experience. If I was to go on a black bloc demo with a hammer & sickle flag, it would more than likely be pulled off me. Most anarchists do not use the hammer & sickle because of its association with Russia, something which I can understand, but I also believe is ridiculous reasoning. TAT also refuses to use the Hammer & Sickle because of the association. These are the only people making a mountain out of a molehill.



Well, when you get tired of fighting against people who believe in classless, stateless society simply cause you disagree about when to go stateless, we'll still be here ready to fight alongside you.


I'll take a leaf out of the anarchists book now, KRONSTADT.



As for figuring out which side of the barricades I'm on, I think you should have a chat with the anarchists.

[Guest1]

There are sectarians on both side, I know. I don't know what the struggle is like in the US, but over here in Canada, I can walk around with not just a hammer and sickle shirt, but one with "CCCP" printed on it and a big soviet flag for a cape and still be welcomed just fine amongst my fellow Anarchists.

Even the majority who I don't know personally.

Comradery is important.

You are right, there are some issues that are being made into mountains, but I believe even the basic ones aren't that big. It's not like either of you are military leaders or party officials.

We're all rank and file, so we know whatever differences are between us, it's disagreement over the how, not the what. I think very few Anarchists doubt your intentions, though I can't say the same about the leaders. Just as I doubt you challenge our intentions.

That's what I mean by "mountain out of a molehill". These differences, as you said, will only be resolved when revolution comes. No use pushing revolution away in making them divisive, rather than just points of theoretical debate.

[BOZG]

Much of the problem here (Ireland), with anarchists is that many are not political anarchists as such, but rather anti-authority. Anarchist groups are few and their numbers are relatively small. Most anarchists are individual anarchists rather than platformed or organised, so a lot of secterianism is evident. I was on a Reclaim The Streets demonstration where my friend drew a red star with "Socialist Youth" (a group I'm am member of) above it, when some idiot came over, grabbed the spray can and sprayed it all out. Everyone watching this, just shook hands with him or smiled for it. No one questioned him being secterian to begin with or just being a prick in general. It is quite blatant, among the Irish left in general and then again between Leninists and Anarchists.

[Guest1]

Wow, that's pretty bad. That's not a problem here, even MIM gets along alright with the Anarchists here.

I guess I undertsand your hostility towards Anarchists a little better now. Don't let them define your view of us though comrade :)

[Keelhaul Scarleet]

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[Black Dagger]

I dont understand, why are so many people intent on retaining the flag of slavery, colonisation and imperialism? Ignoring the obvious nationalist connotations, you really think that people are just gonna forget the past and fly that flag proudly just cause there's a hammer-sickle and star on it?

[norwegian commie]

i like the good old soviet flag better!

The people's flag is deep as red!

[BreadBros]

Che Y Marijuana is an anarchist?

[Angry Young Man]

Originally posted by [email protected] 05, 2004 05:31 pm
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Remove the blue. It is a bourgeios colour. Somebody design a new British flag for me plz ;)

[ahab]

yea how about in stead of figuring out what the flag is gonna look like after the revolution, why dont we think about how the revolution is going to be started, fought and won :)

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2006 02:02 am
Che Y Marijuana is an anarchist?
No.

He used to be one apparently.

[Fawkes]

http://www.atlasgeo.net/FOTW/images/q/qt-a_bf.gif

This should be the new flag.

[An archist]

'le drapeau noir c'est encore un drapeau'
;)

[The Red Czar]

How about this one?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v735/Calibur99/Commun2.jpg

[Red Heretic]

The hammer and sickle represents unity between the proletariat and the peasantry. Last I checked... there wasn't a peasantry in the USA.

[Cryotank Screams]

Why do we need a flag? What is the purpose in a flag?

[Red Heretic]

Originally posted by Cryotank [email protected] 05, 2006 02:34 am
Why do we need a flag? What is the purpose in a flag?
The red flag is a symbol of proletarian internationalism. It is the opposite of the flags of the bourgeoisie, which pit different nations against one another. The red flag unites the international proletariat as a single international class.

[Cryotank Screams]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 05, 2006 12:48 am
The red flag is a symbol of proletarian internationalism. It is the opposite of the flags of the bourgeoisie, which pit different nations against one another. The red flag unites the international proletariat as a single international class.
I know what the red flag means, and what the black flag means, -_-.

I was asking why do we need a flag, what general purpose does it fufill? I see arguing over what a flag shoul look like, but I am putting into question the very need of a flag, sure you can say it rallies the people, but what other purpose does it fufill? Why do we need it? Why is it so important?

[Zero]

>.<

50 stars symbolises the union of 50 states. = Gone.
13 stripes represent the 13 colonys. = Should be Gone already.
Red representing war, courage, and blood = Stay.
White representing purity = FFS Gone.
Blue representing justice and freedom = Gone.

[cb9's_unity]

i think if any part of the old flag should stay it should be the 13 stripes. They still stand for the original fight against british mercantalism. A lot of the people in those 13 colonies really did believe in freedom.

As for the hammer and sickle i love it but i don&#39;t think it should be on any governments flag. The flag should have something to do with making progress and never just blindly believing in the state.

[encephalon]

fuck flags. We have t-shirts now.

[Folk The System]

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BTW anyone els enotice this thread is 2 years old?