Socialism or Social Democracy?

[socialdemocratuk]

So, which do you want? A fully Socialist system or a Social Democratic system (like in the 1950's and 60's in the Uk)? More importantly, if you choose a fully socialist system, how do you suppose it will work?

I would love to have a fully socialist system, but in REALITY I don't belive it can work. Human nature prevents it. Many of you say that human nature cannot be defined, but I belive that it is quite simply the fact that people are born greedy, selfish, jealous. I think that some people have more of those thigns than others, but everyone has them. That is why I am a social democrat, a partially socialist system mixed with a left capitlaist system, where capitalism is used to help the poor. That has worked in the past and is the way forward (in my opinion). :)

[The Feral Underclass]

How many threads are you going to start asking the same questions. Read the other threads you started for the asnwers and reply to them. Its tuff titties if you dont like the answers, but they arent going to change, no matter how many times you ask them, and in what variations they are asked.

[Pawn Power]

neither, COMMUNISM

[ComradeRed]

Yeah, I would prefer communism; but if I must choose I'd choose socialism.

[Comrade Zeke]

I beilive for Sociail Democracy......without some sort of buiness all countires of the world would collapse. The Govnerment can't own everything!
People should be able to start small resterauts for freedom of expression. People should own land so at least they can call it home....I don't beilive in the community onwing all my land they could just take anything they wanted. High taxes for a high standard of living!
This is why I support Social Democracy.
Sincer appologies about the Spelling
Zeke

[ComradeRed]

Zeke, I was referring to Communism (http://redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net/theory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1082898978&archive=&cnshow=headlines&start_from=&ucat=&), NOT 'Prussian/barracks communism' (as marx called it)

Oh, btw, here (http://redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net/theory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1082912812&archive=&cnshow=headlines&start_from=&ucat=&) is something you might wanna look at.

[Comrade Zeke]

Would you please stop showing me Redstar's papers I have read them over and over lol.....Redstar isn't a genous why don't you invent your own paper's and ignore Redstar he just a sick old man anyway.
And clearly the topic is Socialism and Social Democracy! Not Prussian whatever you just said
Zeke

[Guest1]

......without some sort of buiness all countires of the world would collapse

Some of us want that you know.

[Hiero]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2004, 08:25 PM
Human nature prevents it. Many of you say that human nature cannot be defined, but I belive that it is quite simply the fact that people are born greedy, selfish, jealous. I
Ok on the human nature thing, lets say that you are right, but what are the greedy people going to do, what can they do if the try another they will be considered enemy of the poeple a traitor a capitalist. Its like saying its human nature that some will rape so we shouldnt have a system that stops it. And if it human nature to be greedy and then why are there so few that do it on huge scale i dont see all workers in the world being greedy.


I beilive for Sociail Democracy......without some sort of buiness all countires of the world would collapse. The Govnerment can't own everything!
People should be able to start small resterauts for freedom of expression. People should own land so at least they can call it home....I don't beilive in the community onwing all my land they could just take anything they wanted. High taxes for a high standard of living!
This is why I support Social Democracy.
Sincer appologies about the Spelling
Zeke

Resteraunt for freedom of expression, so it is freedom of expression to have food at expensive prize out of the range for people. The hting about people taking what the wanted, no one is going to stand for that its going to obvious that some one lives on that land and that they they need they things in that area so taking it is "abuse" and should be dealt with

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2004, 05:51 AM
Zeke, I was referring to Communism (http://redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net/theory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1082898978&archive=&cnshow=headlines&start_from=&ucat=&), NOT 'Prussian/barracks communism' (as marx called it)

Oh, btw, here (http://redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net/theory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1082912812&archive=&cnshow=headlines&start_from=&ucat=&) is something you might wanna look at.
Why link to redstars website, and why have you shamefully copied his website design, and even more unforgivably made it look shit?

Anyway communism is a scientific form of socialism. A socialist system is any system where the produce of society is shared among every one within society. Communism is mearly an ideology within that. One cannot say that they prefer communism to socialism, as socialism is not comparable with communism.

[ComradeRed]

Enigma, I am working on another template, but for the moment being I need a template. It is only temporary

[Timon of Athens]

Communism is a form of socialism in many ways. So I would choose socialism, and more particularly, communism.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Ideally socialism, or Cuba without the dictatorship as it would most likely be aswell as the embargo.

Realistically a social democrat society akin to the UK in the fifties and sixties but going further.

[Raisa]

[QUOTE=socialdemocratuk,May 4 2004, 08:25 PM] Human nature prevents it. Many of you say that human nature cannot be defined,
It can be. Why do people refuse to consider that maybe we just adapt to things so we can survive. Isnt that why we are still here? If you raise a kid of one ethnicity with another culture, he adapts, and if you never tell him he is not one of them, it wouldnt matter. We adapt. We do what we have to do to survive.

[ComradeRed]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2004, 08:25 PM
Human nature prevents it. Many of you say that human nature cannot be defined, but I belive that it is quite simply the fact that people are born greedy, selfish, jealous. Not quite true, as Rousseau pointed out, it may be nurture in a capitalist society which promotes greed, exploitation, etc. and because that is being taught in school, it passes off onto the youth, naturally with the excuse of "human nature".

[insane_guitar2000]

Full on Socialism would never work. It looks good on paper, but u add in the human element and you have a total fiasco. Social Democracy is the only way that you can have a socialist system that could work. The biggest problem with every form of govt. is the human element. Look at the leader (communist mostly) of the past. Stalin. Nuff said. Don't get me wrong, socialism would be the shit. Not gonna happen though.

PEace

[DaCuBaN]

It looks good on paper, but u add in the human element and you have a total fiasco

I'd be interested in how many people say that in their first post at Che-Lives :D

I think to be honest I said something along those lines too. Dig in, have a read around - you'll find plenty of information regarding both sides of the debate. Just don't believe anything from a 'Protest Warrior' or 'Modern Crusader' and you'll probably survive ;)

What would you consider the 'human element'? most would refute human nature, as this denies one of the simplest principles behind socialism - mass uprising and proletariat awareness. If nature is involved that makes socialism impossible.


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