Computers, humans and Infinite

[Hiero]

I may be completly wrong or dont have a clue, but my theory is that AI could never be achieved unless a computer can be programed infinite ( as in infinite possiabalities to a problem). If so do humans encounter Infinite.

If someone understands this hypothisis and thinks it can be written more clear please do so.

[apathy maybe]

I think that you don't understand the meaning of infinite.
The idea of anything being infinite (except perhapes the contaniar in which the universe is held (I think that the universe is held inside a multiverse inside a ... etc)) is a fallacy.

As to your idea of AI, we have intelligence and we definetly aren't infinite. What I think needs to be done is more randomisation. Also software that would mimic the brain (and its ability to rewrite pathways as needed) would be a great help.

[BuyOurEverything]

I understand what you're saying neonate, but I disagree. Intelligence is not based on infinate possibilities, and people have pretty much given up trying to create AI that way. AI needs to be designed in a more biological manner, like apathy maybe said, it needs to mimic the brain.

[Rasta Sapian]

not to sound like a trekkie, but do yall remember data, that android, mimiced a humanoid, but later developed the capibility to concieve thoughts and make desisions?

What if in on-line consiousness could arise, I am sure all of the worlds networks and hardrives combined could be used as one mega brain to incorperate almost unlimited scenarios and potentially an almost infinate possibitities! :blink:

to think without an openmind is to close your mind to infinate ideas ;)

peace yall

[Hiero]

hmmm

[ZeroPain]

There makeing "quantum" computors that should have the nessary power to be randomized the only thing that is difficult is to store the massive ammounts of data from activation to deactivation such would be trillabytes and also it would if the rendomization could be obtained IT WOULD: Have an awsome ability ot recall thoughts and data makeing it superior to humans in the short run but would lack purpose and history makeing psycological development impossable AND unfortunatley they could be easly currpted and "brain washed"

[monkeydust]

As far as I know AI, at least a tthe moment, doesn't really understand anything, this may continue to be the case.

Let's take an example:

You are locked in a room, you have with you two things.

-A list of Chinese characters, which alone do not form a word.
-A book informing you which characters should match up to other ones.

Someone posts through a letterbox in the door, a bunch of Chinese characters.

You don't understand Chinese, but by using your book you can ascertain which characters should match up to eachother, and do so on your list accordingly.

You post back out your original list, now the characters match up, to form words.

It makes sense to an observer, but you don't actually know Chinese.


In a similar way, it might be argued that an AI could perform incredibly complex calculations with data, and can seem quite 'intellignent', but cannot understand anything at all.

[ZeroPain]

Very good but you know computors have been made to talk to each other thats just it you have to program it indepth to understand if computors can talk to eachother then AI is possable like this:



Your locked in a room with:
list of chinese charictors
book telling you what they mean in english
book explaning how to read-understand both chinese and english
Chinese-english dictionary
Phone book in chinese
a book explaneing what a phone is and how to use one

a phone

and you have a strange urge for pizza so how what a phone is and in that such book it also explanes what a phone book is and how to use it so you use the phone book to find a pizza shop then dial the number *ring* *ring* *ring* the man on the other side says "hello joe's pizza" you say pizza large and hange up but the problem is you locked in a room with no idea where you are so how is it possable to recive a pizza you could add any information you want it to know simply translationg shows no real inteligance

[ZeroPain]

you have to give it desires and the knologe to reach those desires also the ability of curiousity like : AI if it wanted a pizza but had no phone to call on given it knew the number and how to use one (and outlet is a given) but had all the parts to build one and instructions on how to build one it would by this need to change its desires temporaraly from wanting a pizza to wanting a phone then after one desire is compleated another one can be sought.