Communist Movement in usa - making a group [Archive]

Commie Canuck 15

4th March 2002, 17:52

I would love to see the day when a new revolution takes place in North America. The problem is right now George W and the manipulated media would brand us a sychopathic terrorists. The media is controlled by the government they would spread the lies that the government would tell them to so we wouldnt public support and we'd end up like Che in Bolivia. But I personally would like to see it happen, but the majority of North Americans dont care about anybody but themselves, their money, their shiney cars etc.

(Edited by Commie Canuck 15 at 9:59 pm on Mar. 4, 2002)

Guest

4th March 2002, 18:10

I wouldn't be surprised if the government monitored message boards like this one to catch any possible "terrorists". They can easily find out all your details, where you live etc from your IP address stored by this board.

Guest

4th March 2002, 18:14

Look, I've changed my IP address by using a "proxy server". That will fool the cops.

STALINSOLDIERS

4th March 2002, 18:20

hey peace liten up i dont care im just asking......and to the fbi i dont care about them im not afraid of them...but to those who will fight icq me when ever and lets talk..i already recruited some in the internet...we got some

STALINSOLDIERS

4th March 2002, 18:24

peaccenicked

4th March 2002, 18:40

ok, but I ask you are you sure you are not being fitted up.

STALINSOLDIERS

4th March 2002, 18:52

oh like what do you mean fitted up.......trust me i talked to people about recruit but i haent told my plans.....if anything e-mail me and we talk to icq or something...but i am careful i dont tell to alot of people

revolutionary spirit

4th March 2002, 19:02

don't be a 12 year old dickhead

STALINSOLDIERS

4th March 2002, 20:16

hey im no dick head im a left wing extremist.....im probaly a bigger communist then you are......im a soldier that is willing to fight and die for communism well you do that or your just going to sit there and watch tv and watch communist fight for freedom.....

revolutionary spirit

4th March 2002, 20:34

i'm laughing quite hard at you.

''Stalinsoldiers'' what kind of name is that to be saying your more of a communist.The revolution is meant to be won by the vast majority of the workers not a few people going off to the hills and coming back and introducing communism.It takes 24 hours to make a revolution not 24 years.It isn't up for a few people to go and fight for the rest of us because that just shows elitism and goes against the ideals.That these people are stronger than the rest and will protect us,like those guys at genoa who would dress in homemade riot gear at the front of the march and try and protect the rest of us.

Moskitto

4th March 2002, 21:39

If you really want to start a guerilla war. Go to a gym and start pumping lead. That's what the people you fight will be doing.

CheGuevara

4th March 2002, 22:06

I detest Stalin, Stalinism, and the USSR. However, the only way the USA is going to become socialist is through revolution, or more specifically, insurrection. With all of the brainwashing the US people have been subjected to over the last 100 years, there's no hope for a massive uprising.

revolutionary spirit

4th March 2002, 22:33

another vietname might do it

sabre

4th March 2002, 22:47

saying that you are a "bigger communist than you are" proves nothign but your stupidity. You are assuming that the further left we are makes us cooler or something? are you trying to prove something by saying you are further left wing?

Also recruiting over a heaviy monitored message board isnt the brightest idea, becuase im sure if you said something that could be even romtley interpreted as somewhat militant they would come and bust you

CheGuevara

4th March 2002, 23:13

Do you want to wait for something that may never happen? Take the offensive.

RedRevolutionary87

5th March 2002, 00:20

people like this guy are idiots, they dont kno a single thing about communism, its not a matter of competition amongst us about who is a bigger communist, you have to think resonably, lenin was rushing to make revolution in a country that wasnt ready for it, if he had waited revolution mite have happend the way marx said it should and communism wouldnt have the evil sticker across its name

I Will Deny You

5th March 2002, 02:37

My, my, my. Stalinsoldiers, maybe you should be afraid of the FBI. I'm sure that this board is monitored and I'm not afraid because I've never advocated doing anything stupid. But no matter how many of your fellow guerillas are on ICQ, the FBI can still do quite a bit of damage to you.

This isn't a game of "who's a bigger communist." It's not a contest. There's nothing wrong with being less of a self-proclaimed radical than someone else as long as you can justify what you feel. I personally never felt as if I had to label myself, but if you really want to prove that you're the most extreme of the extreme then you should take yourself to the Theory forum.

Any idiot can die in the name of communism. The questions you should be considering are:
1) Will your death accomplish anything? I don't think so.
2) Does your movement even have the slightest chance of success? No matter how many times you've seen Braveheart, the answer will always be a definite no.

liderDeFARC

5th March 2002, 03:19

Quote: from I Will Deny You on 8:37 am on Mar. 5, 2002
My, my, my. Stalinsoldiers, maybe you should be afraid of the FBI. I'm sure that this board is monitored and I'm not afraid because I've never advocated doing anything stupid. But no matter how many of your fellow guerillas are on ICQ, the FBI can still do quite a bit of damage to you.

This isn't a game of "who's a bigger communist." It's not a contest. There's nothing wrong with being less of a self-proclaimed radical than someone else as long as you can justify what you feel. I personally never felt as if I had to label myself, but if you really want to prove that you're the most extreme of the extreme then you should take yourself to the Theory forum.

Any idiot can die in the name of communism. The questions you should be considering are:
1) Will your death accomplish anything? I don't think so.
2) Does your movement even have the slightest chance of success? No matter how many times you've seen Braveheart, the answer will always be a definite no.

Ha!
so funny, so true

CheGuevara

5th March 2002, 04:43

Anyone can also waste their life participating in activities that have no chance of bringing down capitalism in the name of communism.

Super Xero

5th March 2002, 05:51

The does have one of the biggest military's on Earth, and you think you'll simply just beat them? Not Bloody Likely. The Russian Revolution was won with the help of the soliders, the peasents. You cannot simply get a couple of friends together, get some weapons, go off to the hills and start raiding and shit, cuz you will be crushed in a matter of hours. I don't think you'll ever make it to the hills. By the way they can still find your IP even if your using a proxy, the proxy has logs too.

Reuben

5th March 2002, 07:23

No offence but I would be very suspicious of this guy. He may be a state agent.

As far as I know, if you contact him saying you want to help bring down the state, then that in itsef is a crime - i think.

MJM

5th March 2002, 07:48

Just some PR advice;
A good way to scare off people,( especially commie phobic yanks) put Stalin in your name.

guerrillaradio

5th March 2002, 14:25

Yeah there's no free fucking speech anywhere. Stalin's soldier - listen sonny, calm down and stop fuming. If you wanna take on America, then go ahead. I don't think you'll get very far though. Dubya has 77% popularity at the moment, and communism is hated throughout the country. And some extreme "leftist" (if you're extreme, your neither left or right, you're just extreme, because the political spectrum's ends meet) won't help raise communism's profile or popularity. Just think it over...

Hayduke

5th March 2002, 14:38

Man I can see this thing happening right now........

" Leader " " LEts go guys this is it "

Soldier1 " how you reload again "

Soldier 2 " Yo man peter has shot himself in the foot "

Soldier 3 " Gotta go home for dinner "

Leader " but but......what about the revolution....... braveheart always said......

Soldier 3 : Fack you and that half blue guy im hungry......

Leader " well then I go alone "

A tragedy happend after stalinsoldiers hold his grenade in his hand too long he lost his life.........but Peter's foot
is alright now........

guerrillaradio

5th March 2002, 14:44

Lol D-Day...brings images of Dad's Army to my head...

CPK

5th March 2002, 15:01

no offence stalinsoldiers, but how old are you exactly?
here at che-lives we are not idiots. we know right from wrong, that's why we are leftist. like reuben stated, this guy could be a state agent or something. it just doesn't seem right for a guy to pop out of now where and demand us to fight.
and no, i will not join your army. :)

Gavin

5th March 2002, 16:36

Quote: from Reuben on 8:23 am on Mar. 5, 2002
No offence but I would be very suspicious of this guy. He may be a state agent.

Possible

Anyway he obviously doesn't know much about communism with "Stalin" in his name - unless he's a Stalinist of course!

RedRevolutionary87

5th March 2002, 21:08

i think he is an agent kuz he hsant responded yet, he relized we cant be trikt easly

STALINSOLDIERS

5th March 2002, 21:28

actually yeah i understand were you people are coming from....no im not a dictator i dont use people and i know what im doing......my name stalin doesnt mean im a stalinist i just like all those massive army marching to nazi germany destryoing facism......and to those who really doesnt know me your the idiot dont be calling me an idiot......im 18 .....actually i know what to do and what im doing.....im believe in true communism which is marxism...i use my head if you knew better youll know what to do...trust me not alot of people knows what communism is in this country how do i know cause i traveled alot......and more and more are liking communism maybe you dont know but there are..and no i hate fbi and cops im no capitalist agent

I Will Deny You

5th March 2002, 21:32

Quote: from CheGuevara on 5:43 am on Mar. 5, 2002
Anyone can also waste their life participating in activities that have no chance of bringing down capitalism in the name of communism.
While we're at it, why not add a third thing that a person can waste their life doing? Participating in activities that will, in fact, bring down capitalism, whether in the name of communism, socialism, anarchy, equality, freedom, liberty, justice or the need for a brighter future.

I really wouldn't be surprised if all these people calling for violent revolution were agents of various agencies. But here's one thing that's funny: Back in the 60's, the heyday of spying on the Left, there were so many agencies trying to infiltrate various organizations and there was so little organization, they'd have ten guys "spy" on leftists at one SDS or Mobe meeting. I'd really like to see a bunch of spooks recruit each other for their "armies."

STALINSOLDIERS

5th March 2002, 21:44

now all i got to say is screw capitalism is bringing the world down by piece by pieces and im not standing to see it..........the islamic militia has already knew this and there fighting to keep usa of there holy land and so for those dirty jews that are so greedy...i comrade will cant say my name but i will give everything ive got to abolish capitalism and i know there will be more then 20,000+ that will help there no doubt....

RedRevolutionary87

5th March 2002, 21:52

my friend its not the time, and the internet is not the place to recruit, we can not afford for our movement to be silenced before we start, id like to get in contact with you about your thoughts, but not over the internet, im all for revolution, but not a stupidly done one

STALINSOLDIERS

5th March 2002, 21:56

yes i respect that ......i know talking in the internet is not a good thing i know that its stupid but they have no evidence of what im doing.....hey it could be im making a communist party they dont know nothing .....i keep 90% of what im about to say to my self not in the internet..i respect those who likes communism......and im not trying to miss my ideas up.....so im not saying to much over the ineternet.......

I Will Deny You

5th March 2002, 21:57

Quote: from STALINSOLDIERS on 10:44 pm on Mar. 5, 2002
the islamic militia has already knew this and there fighting to keep usa of there holy land and so for those dirty jews that are so greedyFirst of all, fuck you. Where the fuck do you get off calling my people "dirty"? And GREEDY? Maybe you should actually meet a Jew before you make such blatantly biased, inaccurate, hurtful and stupid generalizations. And it's not an Islamic militia that you're talking about (if I'm correctly assuming that you're talking about either Al Qaeda or a similar organization, or some Hamas-type group) because Muslims, at least from where I'm standing, despise bin Laden and all of his cohorts and allies.

PS - I'm not a Zionist by any standards, but for correctness' sake I must point out that Palestine, Israel, Canaan or whatever you want to call it is not only the Muslims' Holy Land. It's the Jews' Holy Land as well, and the Christians have sacred sites there too.

STALINSOLDIERS

5th March 2002, 22:18

hey hey hey.........no need to cause first of i defend islam its not a bas religion........and second of i meet some jews ............im not saying all jews im saying jews in isreal.....they dont like communist and they were shouting death to the muslims death to the muslims and in some christian channel the christians said let the jews and christians take over the world it would make it a better place and that there religion are the best...and that muslims are bad......that pissed me off.......do you hate communism or islam...maybe your a good jew

Moskitto

5th March 2002, 22:33

Fundamentalism sucks.

My Brother thinks that christianity and morality are inseparable. Urm. Leopold II, Ghandi. Yes good people are christians and evil people are non-christians aren't they.

RedRevolutionary87

5th March 2002, 23:05

organized religion should go to hell! peeple dont seem to understand thats just a buerocracy

Kez

6th March 2002, 19:05

Chill people.........

Ok, this crazy koooooooooooky here obviously has some sort of passion.........of summit, and we shouldnt fight a possible comrade.

He says he's not a stalinist, or likes stalin.

Yo stalinsoldiers, ever thought of GAINING support for your movement?
If you get 10 people interested, then get them to get 10 people interested, who get 10 people interested, then u got 10,000 people now who favour socialism, going off into the hills to shit ur pants aint gonna solve shit. Respect comrade!

comrade kamo

Rosa

6th March 2002, 19:40

To SS: just want to inform you: Stalin DID NOT "MARCH IN GERMANY" TO FIGHT NAZI'S, he terminated jews in Russia(and Poland and other countries under his authority), just like Hitler did in Germ., and wouldn't never fight Hitler if H hadn't attacked him.
You should research the literature a bit more, I see that you're interested about theese things.
Your enthusiasm is great, but gain more substance to it, that way you'll gain powerty, bcs you'll gain the right people on your side...per example Deny.

peaccenicked

6th March 2002, 20:25

I think Stalinsoldiers is somewhat niave, he says he is 18. He may have started politics later than some of you and he has not got things worked out in his head.
I can accept that he was trying to define Zionism, but blurted out racism because has not the vocabulary to say what he means.
Comrade do not identify yourself with the enemy.
You should perhaps be giving yourself a political education. Give yourself three more years, the world wont go away.

Reuben

6th March 2002, 21:41

What he said did not simply represent a lack of vocabulary.

The phrase dirty jews, the idea of jews being greedy are bothj traditional racist concepts,, not simply the product of mistake.

With all due respect, I think the racist little shit should fuck off.

peaccenicked

6th March 2002, 21:55

if you take what he said literally
you are right.
There is the subsequent 'apology' to consider
I saw a contradictory muddle.
But I might be giving the text too much context.
Overcontextualising (I wonder overdetermining).
Anyhow, Just felt all in all there might be reason to suspect harshness when idiocy was more apparent
than racism and indeed the racism was blatant.

(Edited by peaccenicked at 11:09 pm on Mar. 6, 2002)

Reuben

6th March 2002, 23:25

Yes That is possibly the case.

I have just checked the bastards so called apology however. Not much of an apology at all (particularly given he didn't use the word sorry). He is still being ethnically specific with regard to who he attacks, he is just putting a border round it. It is is like if he had first said I hate all blacks, annd then said he just meant the black people in Uganda, (Regarding whaat the ugandan government did to asians and jews).

What made me cringe most is when he said to I Will Deny You "YOur obviously a good jew" as if he was some kind of a special case . Haven't you ever heard a racist say "Some of my best freinds are black/jewish/etc."

I can't believe that my comrade Kamo was so soft on the guy. He even finished his post with the phrase "Respect comrade"

How can you say this to racist. Would he have said this to someone who described blacks as dirty and greedy. Ithink not.

FUck stalin soldiers.

Rosa

6th March 2002, 23:28

To Reuben: that offensive attitude of yours can only make someone like SS even more radical in his thoughts about the matter. I think that you should get out of this discussion, for you're too much personaly involved and are leaded by your emotions, and that's certainly not productive. If you want to change the world, u sh start with little people. If you change SS, perhaps he'll change something in his surrounding that has made him be like that.some others will take care about his "raising".Personaly, wasn't aware that even "leftists" can hate jews, but maybe it's bcs they admire attacks on US made by Israeli enemies. Please, by being agressive you won't accomplish nothing but bigger anger in that lad. He is aware that that attitude of his can make someone angry, ok, but he obviously wants to make a world a better place, but he's not educated about what is making it bad. he needs (ethical and other)education. As I can see, he is on the right site to get some.

munkey soup

7th March 2002, 00:34

I asked for an apology from SS in my post to him. I was hoping that he would see that what he said was wrong. Yet he has not actually apologized.

RedRevolutionary1234

7th March 2002, 00:48

I think a communist state can be acheived by peaceful means, if you have people who believe in it enough. Ghandi did, i think we could do the same if we follow in his footsteps.

I Will Deny You

7th March 2002, 03:40

Here are two things that you should know: 1) Black people are three times more likely than white people to be anti-semities, and, 2) I'm a Jew who lives in a black neighborhood. So as you might guess, I've been attacked for my beliefs quite a few times. To make matters worse, I'm a humanist and many traditional Jews don't accept my religion. "Dirty" and "greedy" are two of the most common words in anti-semitic attacks, so what was I supposed to think? Something equally offensive was Stalinsoldiers' comment:
Quote: from STALINSOLDIERS on 11:18 pm on Mar. 5, 2002
do you hate communism or islam...maybe your a good jew
What chutzpah! To take that tone, gee, answer these questions and perhaps I will conclude that you're a good Jew, is disgusting. And to ask if I hate communism or Islam, how stupid he is! If I hated communism, I wouldn't be in this forum at all, much less be in this forum so much. And when he talks to a Jew for the first time and asks if I hate Muslims, when he didn't ask anyone else, assumes that Jews are more prejudiced towards Muslims than other ethnic groups. (That is not the case.) So yeah, Stalinsoldiers, that was an incredibly menschy thing to do, to consider that "maybe" I'm "a good jew." Thanks a whole lot.

Reuben

7th March 2002, 19:03

Chutzpa indeeed. As I said that really made me cring e.

I have been told by a fanatical anti-semite that im "an honest jew. What shit. Does they think we will be greatful because they are making an exception for us?

I Will Deny You

7th March 2002, 21:17

I don't know, Reuben. Maybe we ought to take what we can get. What I'm wondering is, what exactly makes a good Jew? When we tell good jokes, make good food, defend and/or treat the goyem, but control our urge to take over the media, government and weather? I wonder if all minorities are judged on similar criteria, since I've heard, "Oh, you're not as bad as those niggers since you're only half black." Does that mean they're happy to see I'm not a crackwhore who robs banks and dates a man who rapes white women? I don't know. I hope for their sake that other ethnic groups don't have it so bad.

Ah, how unfortunate those anti-semites are! To have to pray to G-d but not get to nosh afterward! To have to think about money but not control the banks! To have nothing in common with the characters on Seinfeld! Oh, the horror!

Why can't they just get over it? 95% of the goyem are smart and decent enough to realize that a big nose is not evil and that curly hair isn't a sign that the anti-Christ is on his way. At least the goyem have Santa. Af mir gezot.

El Che

7th March 2002, 21:59

so what is chutzpa? that some kind of food or what?

And are your families very conservative? would they aprove of you marring someone that wasnt jewish for example?

Because i have some friends that are "Gipsies"(?) and that is a BIG nono with them.

kingbee

9th March 2002, 20:29

in response to the first posts, talkin bout the cia- who the fuck cares about them? are they really going to arrest anyone here at all? they arent going to make anyone vanish are they? fuck them- they aint ever going to arrest anyone for left wing views. the leader of raise the fist was different- he made his own site, and the cia are wankers for doing that- nice freedom of speech thing going on there. fuck them

sorry for saying fuck so much, im jus so against the fucking cia

I Will Deny You

9th March 2002, 20:39

Chutzpah is a Yiddish word that roughly translates into "balls" or "nerve". But you've really got to grow up in a Jewish family to understand how to use these words . . . they really don't make a lot of sense to most goyem. If there are any other Yiddish words that you don't understand, feel free to ask.

My family isn't conservative at all. My father's actually a Baptist. He's not very religious and doesn't mind at all that I'm Jewish (after all, if he didn't like Jewish people he wouldn't have married one twice) but his parents were very religious. One of his brothers is actually a minister. The most Christian that my father got, however, was joining a Gospel choir when he was a kid.

The Jewish people have a history of intermarriage and freedom of choice. In my opinion, it is the responsibility of parents to educate their children about their roots and make sure that they feel comfortable when it comes to religion, but not to shove Judaism down a child's throat. In my family we got to choose whether we were Bar/Bat Mitzvah'ed. But I've been to church before and I know quite a bit about Christianity as well, because my father felt like he should teach me. He says that as long as his children know their soul food, it doesn't matter what religion or culture they choose to be a part of. But anyway, the racial history itself is testament to the Jews' liberal attitude toward intermarriage. My boyfriend's not Jewish but my parents don't mind.

Reuben

10th March 2002, 00:20

Yeah, that's what chutzpa is.

With regard to whether my family is conservative about stuff like inter marriage, my parents definitely are not and would probably have no problem, my family are secualr though also feel strongly about their jewish identity. However my grandmother on my dad's side would be pretty pissed off. I remember when I was about seven, her saying that if I married out it would be like her coming round to my house and taking all my toys away!
interesting logic.

Anyway,

zaymir gezint, and don't get skint.

Reuben

pastradamus

10th March 2002, 01:00

stalinsol you fucking racist!!! you cant exactly kick the jews out now.

PunkRawker677

10th March 2002, 04:17

i havent posted about this, but im curious as to why SS, hasn't given an apology to anyone, or everyone yet. I am assuming that his remarks where out of stupidity, and where worded badly. i could be wrong.. if im wrong, i hope you rot in hell, if you are indeed stupid as i suspect, than at least apologize...

Fuck A Capitalist

10th March 2002, 21:05

In the city I'm from Los Angeles I believe it is possible for a communist uprising and would start in the poorest and most oppressed cities like south central, east l.a. and other ghettos. These cities are possible because they have arms, and reasons for wanting a communist revolution its just that they are poorly educated, unorganized, and the people have little hope for change.

(Edited by Fuck A Capitalist at 11:07 pm on Mar. 10, 2002)