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Hayduke
3rd March 2002, 13:51
At last thought I would never hear this.....
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FARC Camp, Caqueta province, Colombia -- The first rays of dawn cut through the jungle canopy as a Marxist rebel stripped down his Kalashnikov assault rifle and one of his comrades plopped ammunition into the drum of a multiple grenade launcher.

After three years of relative calm in the southern corner of this conflict- torn nation, guerrillas of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC, are back on a combat footing -- and they say they are ready to take on the United States as well as the Colombian government.
"I smell a war brewing here, and the gringo army with its Ranger force is stoking the fire," senior FARC commander Fabian Ramirez told The Chronicle in a visit to his camp this week. "But I can tell them that this will be worse than Vietnam for them."

Fighting flared up last week after peace negotiations with the Colombian government collapsed and the country's president, Andres Pastrana, sent waves of Vietnam-era OV-10 fighter bombers and aging Israeli Kafir fighters to bomb and strafe this jungle region, which until Feb. 20 was part of a government- sanctioned guerrilla haven.

FARC commanders believe the United States may assume a greater role in a war that has claimed more than 35,000 lives in the past decade alone.

Past U.S. administrations have provided military assistance to Colombia as part of America's war on drugs -- a $1.3 billion package called Plan Colombia aimed at wiping out drug-producing crops.

Recently, President Bush proposed an extra $439 million to provide military intelligence and spare parts to the Colombian armed forces. The United States already has 250 U.S. military personnel, 50 Pentagon civilian employees and 100 civilian contractors in Colombia.

In addition, Washington wants an extra $98 million to train, arm and provide air support for Colombian troops to protect a 480-mile oil pipeline jointly owned by the Occidental Petroleum Corp., with headquarters in Los Angeles, and the Colombian state oil company.

So far, there is little sign of active U.S. involvement in the renewed war. The Colombian military, which has airlifted some 11,000 troops into the region, now controls the five main towns in the former safe zone and boasts that the rebels are on the run.

But Ramirez says the FARC, which is skilled in rural hit-and-run warfare, has simply split up into small units -- at most, 60-strong companies -- and dispersed into the jungle and savannah of the Switzerland-size former demilitarized zone.

REBELS BIDE THEIR TIME

"We're not running away. We just don't want to fight in the towns," said Ramirez, who is the No. 2 commander of the FARC's battle-hardened Southern Bloc fighting division. "We'll wait for the army's Rapid Deployment Force and special units to come into the countryside, and then they will meet up with us. "

The rebels insisted on taking this reporter to the camp under cover of darkness and in silence. They repeatedly paused as they strained to hear the drone of a government AC-47 aircraft -- a sophisticated and heavily armored reconnaissance plane -- in the distance.

From here, it does appear that the countryside remains far beyond the government's grasp. Ramirez, one of the architects of some of the heaviest defeats inflicted on the army in 38 years of conflict, said many of his forces had split into units as small as 12 fighters, presenting a highly mobile and extremely difficult target to detect or hit.

Outlining rebel tactics, Ramirez explained that before rebel patrols begin attacking the army, they will wait to see how many soldiers are finally deployed in the area and what firepower -- especially attack helicopters and fighter-bombers -- the military will muster.

Once the army gains sufficient confidence to venture into the countryside, Ramirez said, intense fighting will commence.

In recent days, FARC guerrillas have killed a handful of civilians they suspected of spying for the army or for right-wing paramilitaries, the rebels' arch-nemesis. The slayings appear to be a brutal attempt at hindering enemy intelligence gathering rather than indiscriminate attacks on the civilian population.

Ramirez and his fighters are also stepping up a campaign of infrastructure sabotage. Much of southern Caqueta province has been incommunicado and running on candle power for the last week due to the rebels' dynamiting of electricity pylons and telecommunications towers -- a job that can be achieved by just a handful of fighters.

"The energy and communications industries are in the hands of the big economic conglomerates and the multinationals," Ramirez said, grasping his U.S. -made AR-15 assault rifle. "Now it is time for them to suffer the rigors of war."

ROAD CONNECTIONS CUT

The FARC has also bombed a number of bridges, isolating Caqueta from the center of the country and the capital, Bogota, via overland routes.

The main highway between Florencia, the capital of Caqueta, and San Vicente del Caguan, the main town in the former guerrilla haven, is strewn with the wrecks of cars and trucks that guerrillas have burned after setting up fleeting roadblocks. Traffic has slowed to a trickle and for almost a week was paralyzed completely.

In towns along the route, supplies are running low, sending citizens into a panic.

"President (Andres) Pastrana said he was going to protect us, and yet the army has no way to control even the highway," said one civilian as he waited to fill a plastic tank with gasoline -- rationed by the pump owner to $10 worth per family.

When Pastrana announced the end of the peace process on Feb. 20 -- after the FARC hijacked a commercial airline flight and kidnapped a senator who is a member of Colombia's peace commission -- he warned of a possible upsurge in "terrorist" attacks. Clashes have been reported in rural areas around Bogota, but the rebels have not yet launched a full-blown bombing campaign in Colombia's main cities.

Many analysts, though, predict the FARC may unleash an urban campaign in an attempt to divert government forces away from the southeast.

In an interview with The Chronicle, Carlos Antonio Lozada, the former head of FARC operations in Bogota, said urban guerrillas had received improved training, especially in bomb-making techniques and weapons handling -- a departure from their traditional tasks of fund raising and information gathering.

With the peace process ended, one of the biggest questions now is how much the FARC may have grown in the last three years. Military officials have frequently charged that the rebels used the cover of their haven to step up recruiting and training.

DRUG TRAFFICKING ALLEGED

This week, Klaus Nyholm, head of the U.N. Drug Control Program in Colombia, accused the rebels of deepening their ties to the cocaine trade, which if true could have brought in millions of extra dollars to finance their war machine.

One senior guerrilla source speculated the FARC may have doubled its numbers over the last three years, which could put the total combat force at anywhere from 25,000 fighters to more than 30,000. No government or international sources have confirmed such an expansion.

According to a rebel strategic plan mapped out in the early 1980s and forecast to take perhaps 30 years, the FARC set a goal of expanding to at least 32,000 fighters and building up huge stockpiles of weapons, and then launching what it termed the "first great offensive" -- an all-out assault on Bogota aimed at seizing power by force.

But there is no suggestion at present that "the first great offensive" is imminent. The rebel source said the FARC lacks sufficient weaponry and ammunition.

"As long as unemployment and poverty are rising, and hospitals and schools are closing, then we will recruit more fighters," Ramirez said. "People find they have no other form of protest except to join insurgent ranks."

At first glance, the fight between the government and the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia rebels hardly looks like a fair fight: Colombia's armed forces far outnumber their guerrilla counterparts, and President Bush wants to augment the Colombian government's campaign with $439 million in U.S. military support. But this conflict will be fought on the rebels' home turf in the Colombian jungle, and they are skilled in the sort of hit-and-run warfare that figures to be a part of the conflict.

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Note: Rebels Keep Eye Out for U.S. as Colombian Conflict Flares.

Complete Title: Plan Colombia: 'I Can Tell Them That This Will Be Worse Than Vietnam'

Lardlad95
3rd March 2002, 16:42
Is this serious? Cuz if it is I hope the US minds their own damn buisness. I'm sick of this country interfereing and I hope they don't this time

Son of Scargill
3rd March 2002, 17:17
The US has had its nose(no pun intended)in Colombia for decades,and I think they have every intention of stoking this one up,in order to attempt to"remove those stinking commies"under the guise of a war on terror.The fact that the terror is being perpetrated mainly by the US sponsored and trained military(whether in uniform or not)and that the drug-cartels in the north are also supporting anti-FARC/ELN paramilitaries,does not seem to be an issue.Many army officers were also trained in "counter-insurgency"techniques in the US.One of the paramilitary favourites is to behead people with a chainsaw.
Don't get me wrong,the FARC aren't exactly boy scouts themselves.They also get money from an"export tax"on the sale of coca leaves to these cartels.That's why the drug barons want to see them wiped out.More profit for them.Also they can then control the price of coca,if there's no FARC to protect the farmers,they can intimidate at will.Ah!The beauties of capitalism.
Sorry Lardlad,the US,and the European Union to a degree,are in it up to their necks..http://www.farc-ep.org/

(Edited by Son of Scargill at 6:19 pm on Mar. 3, 2002)

Lardlad95
3rd March 2002, 18:20
looks like more angry emails to Bush and computer viruses

Kez
3rd March 2002, 18:38
Its not news in the sense its new.
This has been going on for ages, only that the peace process ceasefire finished a week ago, and now the columbian/us forces are killing civilians and going into farc terretory.

VIVA FARC
comrade kamo

AgustoSandino
3rd March 2002, 19:21
yeah, one thing the farc has demonstrated over it history is its devotion to the ideals of marxism and an overwhelming respect for human rights. You guys always say that just because people call themselves communists, or leftists, it doesn't mean they are. Well perhaps you shouldn't blindly throw your support behind a group that in the name of Marx and peasant revolution undertakes massive narcotrafficking and brutal massacres of civilians. The FARC is no different than the paramilitaries that opposse them.

AgustoSandino
3rd March 2002, 19:26
yeah, one thing the farc has demonstrated over it history is its devotion to the ideals of marxism and an overwhelming respect for human rights. You guys always say that just because people call themselves communists, or leftists, it doesn't mean they are. Well perhaps you shouldn't blindly throw your support behind a group that in the name of Marx and peasant revolution undertakes massive narcotrafficking and brutal massacres of civilians. The FARC is no different than the paramilitaries that opposse them.

peaccenicked
3rd March 2002, 19:43
I find yarc use of gas cylinder bombs as indefensible
but why does that give the US any rights to interefere with the internal affairs of Columbia.

Kez
3rd March 2002, 19:55
commies close to USA is bad for usa, coz comies will open the eyes of ignorant yankees

Oi Augusto, go back to ur room in the soc vs cap forum, NOW! or well smack ur ass, and no dinner for u

comrade kamo

Lardlad95
3rd March 2002, 19:56
good point, the US has no right to go around meddeling in other countries buisness the US are not the police of the world and Uncle Scam needs to get that through he red white and blue head

Lardlad95
3rd March 2002, 20:03
good point, the US has no right to go around meddeling in other countries buisness the US are not the police of the world and Uncle Scam needs to get that through he red white and blue head

Lardlad95
3rd March 2002, 20:04
good point, the US has no right to go around meddeling in other countries buisness the US are not the police of the world and Uncle Scam needs to get that through he red white and blue head

Son of Scargill
4th March 2002, 01:23
Secretariat of theCentral General Staff,FARC-Peoples Army.

In 1984, during the administration of Belisario Betancurt, after avoiding the obstacles and tricks of the militarists, we signed the "Accords of La Uribe" They were to be developed and implemented by the Congress of the Republic with its liberal and conservative majority. The members never took responsibility for what had been agreed to and preferred to continue legislating in the interests of their bosses, the possessors of economic power, and of their war machine.

Within this framework, we constituted ourselves as the base for the launching of a new political movement, the Patriotic Union (UP), an alternative distinct from the traditional parties and in pursuit of paths other than the war. Once again the state recurred to murder to remove those who opposed its interests, literally sweeping the UP from the scene with bullets. Thousands of compatriots paid with their lives for daring to pursue a distinct path in order to create conditions that would allow Colombians to again come together in a worthy and sovereign Colombia with food, housing, health and education.

In those times, where were those who today tear their clothes in hysterical and theatrical scenes denigrating and slandering us? Where were the Sabas Pretels, the Fransisco Santos' or the Pinedo Vidals of those days? For certain, they were in some cocktail party, drinking toasts to the stability of the regime at the news of each death for the Patriotic Union.

Agusto,after hearing the veiws of several international observers in Colombia,give me the FARC anyday.And while I'm at it......get back in your cage with your misinformed,straight from CNN,comments.

BOZG
4th March 2002, 16:56
I wouldn't describe the FARC guerrilla's as revolutionaries but as drug dealing, murderous scum.

Fair enough if America (and Allies) were really going to Columbia to prevent the Cocaine trade from growing, I would see that as sufficient grounds but as the C(riminals) I(n) A(ction) are the biggest drug dealers in the world supplying the streets with Cocaine, they should stay the fuck out of Columbia.

Son of Scargill
4th March 2002, 22:11
If they aren't giving millions of dollars,and nearly 100 attack helicopters to the Colombian govt. to stop drugs,what is it for?
11 October 2001
AI Index AMR 23/110/2001 - News Service Nr. 181

Colombia: Stop the massacres. Stop the military aid


The two most recent massacres carried out in the past few days by paramilitaries in the northern department of Magdalena and south-western department of Valle del Cauca demonstrate ever more clearly why it is imperative to stop military aid from reaching the Colombian army and their paramilitary allies, Amnesty International said today.

"The only way to stop fuelling the human rights crisis in Colombia is to stop pouring military aid into the country," the organization added, at a time when the US Senate is about to debate military aid to Colombia.

"It is inexcusable to continue sending military aid while the Colombian government has not only failed to fully implement reiterated UN recommendations to confront the human rights crisis -- especially in relation to combating and dismantling paramilitary groups -- but has passed legislation which threatens to worsen the situation," Amnesty International said.

"Unconditioned military aid, over which there is little end-use control, sends a clear signal to the Colombian army that it is free to pursue its counter-insurgency strategy -- of which paramilitary groups and their "dirty war" tactics are an integral part -- thus permitting the continuation of the systematic and widespread violation of human rights," the organization said. "It also has sent a dangerous message to the Colombian government that its failure to fully implement UN recommendations to confront impunity, combat and dismantle paramilitary groups and guarantee the safety of human rights defenders is not an impediment to continued aid."

Amnesty International noted that these two massacres occurred shortly after the Colombian government ratified a National Defence and Security Law which severely restricts the capacity of the Office of the Procurator General to initiate disciplinary investigations and provides the armed forces, in some circumstances, with judicial police powers, which could facilitate the cover up of serious human rights violations.

The Law was passed at a time when several high-ranking officers were implicated in judicial and disciplinary investigations into cases of serious human rights violations and massacres committed by paramilitary forces operating in unison with the security forces.

"It is clear that the flow of US military aid is encouraging the Colombian government to bolster the mechanisms of impunity to protect the perpetrators of human rights violations," Amnesty International said.

Background
On 10 October 2001, the bodies of 10 fishermen who had been shot dead were found near Santa Marta in the northern Magdalena Department. They were reportedly in a group of 20 fishermen attending a party in Ciénaga Grande de Santa Marta who were abducted by army-backed paramilitaries belonging to the Autodefensas Unidas de Colombia, AUC, United Self-Defence Groups of Colombia. The whereabouts of the remaining 10 are unknown.

The second massacre took place in the communities of La Habana and Alaska, in the municipality of Buga, south-western Valle del Cauca department. It is reported that army-backed AUC paramilitaries entered the two communities and forced several families out of their homes. They separated the men from the women and children, made them lie face-down on the ground and shot them dead. It is thought that at least 18 people were killed during the paramilitary incursions.

In the context of Colombia's long-running internal conflict between the security forces in alliance with paramilitary forces and armed opposition groups, both sides have shown flagrant disregard for human rights and international humanitarian law.

The security forces has pursued a counter-insurgency strategy characterized by the systematic and widespread violation of human rights. Civilians in conflict zones accused of being guerrilla sympathizers or collaborators have subsequently been the victim of extrajudicial executions, "disappearance" and other serious human rights violations at the hands of the security forces and their paramilitary allies.

Guerrilla forces, of which the Fuerzas Armadas Revolucionarias de Colombia, FARC, Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, and the Ejército de Liberación Nacional, ELN, National Liberation Army, are the largest, have also been responsible for frequent and numerous deliberate or arbitrary killings and threats against those whom they consider to be collaborating with their enemies. They are also responsible for around 57% of the over 3,000 estimated cases of kidnapping and hostage-taking recorded in the country a year.

sabre
4th March 2002, 22:26
Drug dealing scum? how else are they supposed to get money

Im against drug laws at all, and am all for them trafficking cocaine to raise funds, its for a good cause, and if some idiot elsewhere in the world wants to kill themselves via Cocaine thats their own damn business.

FARC can be compared to the Zapatistas in many ways, but FARC seems much more violent. Does anyone know how big they are size wise? How many soldiers?


the sickest part is out 98 mil going to protect a damn OIL PIPELINE, there is no arguing that they would rather savetheir precious oil then save colombian lives.

makes me sick

Son of Scargill
4th March 2002, 22:46
They are estimated to be anywhere between 7,000 and 30,000 strong,depending on who you ask,and how they estimate who is considered to be active fighters.They are not weak though,by any standards.When the de-militarized zone was first set up,the US military advisors were shocked at the numbers,and equipment the Farc had.
And in case some of you have missed the point,this is a 40 year old civil war,not simply a "War on Drugs".Civil war is not a fucking tea party.Never has been,never will be.

MJM
5th March 2002, 00:16
Exactly right Son of Scargill.
How many civil wars do the US have to stick their nose in before people realise what they're doing. A civil war is a lot different IMO than an imperial war.
I mean imagine if the Japanese or Dutch or Chinese supplied guns to the south in the US civil war.

CheGuevara
5th March 2002, 00:37
If you want a good foreign cause to support, join the EPR in Mexico. I have many concerns about the FARCs sincerity, or at least that of their leaders. Their leaders have a penchant for alcohol, many women(a lot younger than themselves), and other commodities, most of which their soldiers have to do without.

Lardlad95
5th March 2002, 00:51
whats the EPR?

CheGuevara
5th March 2002, 01:08
El Ejército Popular Revolucionario. *

http://www.pengo.it/PDPR-EPR/

rebel7609
5th March 2002, 01:11
Personally, I don't think we should be there. Why go and get our soldiers killed and kill their soldiers over drug trafficking. We should execute the people here who buy and use them in our OWN country then we don't have to worry about what the Columbians do.

Derar
5th March 2002, 01:15
EXECUTE ppl who use or buy drugs ???!!!!

thats fuckin sick !

PunkRawker677
5th March 2002, 01:30
yea.. that is sick.. is using drugs really as bad as murdering someone, and less severe than raping someone?
drug users.. no execution..

what do you consider "drugs", considering stuff like alcohol is worse than most "soft drugs"

munkey soup
5th March 2002, 01:36
Alcohol is just as addictive as Marijuana, and I believe worse for your body. If alcohol is legal, so should Marijuana.

As for Rebel, are you truly a freakin leftist boyo!? Execute people who use drugs!? Sounding like a fascist to me. Maybe you should check yourself and your ideals. Don't you think education and rehabilitation would work better in the long run? Think on it.

rebel7609
5th March 2002, 01:39
I think you missed a sarcastic point I was trying to make....

munkey soup
5th March 2002, 01:43
I hope so my friend, because you were scaring me. Reading your post again knowing this I can see it, but next time please try to make it more apparent.

I apoligize for my weak sense for sarcasm.

sabre
5th March 2002, 01:54
The EPR is terrible

you forgot to mention that they are terrorists and blew up 2 parking garages sometime in the 90's, amongst other things

The EZLN refuses to ally with them, and holds no responsibility for their actions becuase they are trying to get power through terrorism and the EZLN doesnt agree with that, i have more info in the EZLN interaction with the EPR if discussion ensues

rebel7609
5th March 2002, 01:55
If I make it more apparent monkey gobbler, then it's not sarcasm.
And no, I'm not a leftist.

CheGuevara
5th March 2002, 02:05
They blew up two parking garages! *gasp* They're not a terrorist group, they're a guerrilla group. The EPR doesn't usually do such things anyway. A few little mistakes are forgivable. Anywa, revolutionary movements in Mexico should not be judged based on the EZLN. Of course the EZLN holds no responsibility for them. The organizations that formed the EPR are far older than the EZLN, dating back to the 60s. The EZLN is a good group, but have limited themselves to issues such as election reform and better public services in indigenous communities...great goals, but goals that don't go nearly far enough.

(Edited by CheGuevara at 3:07 am on Mar. 5, 2002)

Son of Scargill
5th March 2002, 02:15
(Edited by Son of Scargill at 10:00 am on Mar. 5, 2002)

liderDeFARC
5th March 2002, 03:39
Hmmmmm....

im so glad that those dumb good for nothing peace talks are over.

i go for the FARC.

AND if i havent mentioned this before : the U$ is a nosy ass motherfuckin country besides all its other crap. Anyway they got involved in this because of profit. (Greedy little pig)
When the FARC started long before my time it had a good cause and understable one. To fight for the people of Colombia against the corrupt governemnt (put into simple words)
But soon they changed, they killed civilians and they were supposed to fight for them thats what i dont agree with.

but im for the FARC all the way.

They are strong NO BOUBT.

and those peace talks a bunch of garbage a game for the FARC, it took a lot for the government to realise that.
i cant wait until more action happens besides what has already begun, you know the energy plants-posts bombed bridges bombed...

and what all you have said is sadly true they are violent.

Lardlad95
5th March 2002, 03:47
(LArdlad Stands up and claps) nothing can be truer than what you sAid about the US...greedy selfish bastards that would bomb civilians all in the name of profit


Not to mention the fact that the US likes to get a good image by spitting propaganda...I mean when we were in somalia they just wanted everyone to think they were good hearted

guerrillaradio
5th March 2002, 14:43
Quote: from CheGuevara on 3:05 am on Mar. 5, 2002
They blew up two parking garages! *gasp* They're not a terrorist group, they're a guerrilla group. The EPR doesn't usually do such things anyway. A few little mistakes are forgivable.


Hmm....I'd have to go with Sabre on this one. However you put it, FARC are terrorists. They've been kicking up shit in Colombia for a while now. And I don't really think they'd get very far by blowing up garages do you?? And I dunno if a new authority in Colombia would get very far. Absolute power corrupts absolutely...

CheGuevara
5th March 2002, 15:23
we're not talking about the FARC in Colombia, we're talking about the EPR in Mexico.

By the way, I wasn't able to find any mention of the parking garage bombings, sabre. I know they've bombed some banks, but I've never heard about any parking garage bombings.

Kez
5th March 2002, 19:26
LONG LIVE FARC AND LONG LIVE THEIR RESISTENCE INTO VICTORY!

comrade kamo

liderDeFARC
6th March 2002, 01:18
Quote: from TavareeshKamo on 1:26 am on Mar. 6, 2002
LONG LIVE FARC AND LONG LIVE THEIR RESISTENCE INTO VICTORY!

comrade kamo



LONG LIVE !!!!! LONG KILL THE U.$!!!!!!!

rebel7609
6th March 2002, 02:18
[edit]
Aw, forget it. With something as stupid as "Kill the US", there's no point in arguing with someone of that mindset.

(Edited by rebel7609 at 3:21 am on Mar. 6, 2002)

The Rapparee
6th March 2002, 12:23
Time to go join them the War must spread to other S. American countries to secure a continent of Commie countries. Thats what Che wanted and the Colombians are continuing the struggle.

(Edited by The Rapparee at 1:24 pm on Mar. 6, 2002)

guerrillaradio
6th March 2002, 14:18
Rebel - you have a point. You can't just run around shouting "KILL THE US"...that is just dumb thoughtless leftism, the stuff that influences terrorists...

Derar
6th March 2002, 20:52
Ahh .... fuck this shit .....
u ppl r too naive !!
KILL THE USA ...........

i know that's what would che say ...... ohh yes he'll love that !

USA TO THE GROUND .......

p.s : rebel7609 , if u r a right-winger ...... why r u here ??

rebel7609
6th March 2002, 23:31
Don't be such an ignorant child. Just because someone doesn't agree with a post of yours doesn't make them "right wing." Do you even know the definition of that term?
Besides, this is a Che website, not a Derar website. And I believe that I have stated before that I enjoy reading the opinions of others- I've learned things here that I didn't know were going on. You just have to learn to separate "fact" here from "fiction" (which there is a lot of). If I see something really uncalled for, then I will say something. If I was right-wing, I'd call everyone out on 99% of the posts here. Except for supermodel. She gives me the giggles. But if you are going to say "kill the USA" and expect Americans here not to tell you how stupid that is, then you are mistaken.

CheGuevara
6th March 2002, 23:35
I don't think Che would've said 'kill the USA" but I do know what he would've said. And you want to know what Che would've said? He would've said if you were serious about destroying capitalism to lay off the fucking pot! So shut the fuck up!

(Edited by CheGuevara at 12:36 am on Mar. 7, 2002)

Derar
7th March 2002, 00:48
well , rebel ....... in some previous posts u said the u arent a left winger ...... and u support the US policies ...... like the war on vietnam , the war in somalia AND the bombing of afganistan , thats why i think u r right winger , and if u r not ...... u can just fuckin say that .... instead of calling me names and pissing me off !!

What i meant by kill the usa is to kill the government not the ppl , as ofcourse u think i ment ....

And Cheguevara , were u talking to me or to rebel ? coz i didnt get it ..

CheGuevara
7th March 2002, 01:26
You

Derar
7th March 2002, 01:47
well , i didnt get what u tried to say .........

but u shut the fuck up ..........

CheGuevara
7th March 2002, 02:01
No, Mr Pothead. Don't be shooting some bullshit out of your mouth about Che.

rebel7609
7th March 2002, 03:36
I am not left wing. I am not right wing. If it makes you angry to have someone make assumptions about you, then why would you make them against me? I have my own point of view on different subjects and so should you. And when did I say I supported a war on Vietnam? I wasn't aware that there was one going on. Maybe *I* should pick up your dope and smoke a big fat one.
And yes, I do support U.S. policies- but I also oppose some.

Derar
7th March 2002, 11:18
Mr. pothead !!! hmmmmmmmm ...... i like that !

anyways , how do u know that was bullshit ...... man some ppl stay stuff about che like they know him in person ....... havent u heard or read his speeches and realized how much hatred he had for the US Greedy imperialism ..... and that he wanted to free the world from it in any way possible .

Son of Scargill
7th March 2002, 12:48
Derar,you said it yourself"haven't you heard,or read his speeches."
The key word being speeches..reasons for his hatred at an oppresive economic and military system.Policies that are overtly biased towards the betterment of an elite minority,at the expense of a poor majority.
I doubt that he would have got far,or had as much respect,if he'd simply gone around saying"KILL THE US."
That is a remark that is no better than hearing an american,or british meathead saying"NUKE IRAN/AFGHANS/IRAQ/etc.ect."No substance,and no point!