if che is alive

[rahul]

sorry 4 my worst english comrades.,i am just a beginner.






if che was alive today.....he might have mercilessly killed bush.,,.,he might certainly joined leninists & killed captalist *****es.. he might have stood by the side of oppressed & would have killed the oppressers.,he might have made another world possible!!!!!,,,,its not all lets continue ches work and create new world


-----------*****we are incardinations of che****______---------and lets do che's works

-----------hasta la victoria siempre------------ :che: :hammer:

[GUTB]

If Che was alive today...and still physically fit...I would see him still in South America, holding the line against every murderous CIA-backed dictator in the region up until today. I see him getting seriously involved in militarizing the current Bolivian Revolution.

[SittingBull47]

he'd be all over that. If he were alive today, history would be very, very different. There's no telling the impact he would have had on such turbulent times.

[RedAnarchist]

Thats true.

Maybe by now, there could have been a Communist Republic of Latin America, stretching from Chile to Mexico, from Ecuador to Cuba. With Che as Presidente.

[Hate Is Art]

if che were alive today.....he would have brutually killed bush.,,.,he would certainly joined leninists & killed captalist burglars.. he would have stood by the side of oppressed &ud have killed the uppressers.,he ud have made another world possible!!!!!,,,,its not all lets continue ches work and create new world

If che were alive today he would spit on your bad grammar and spelling. PAH!

[Jesus Christ]

if che were here today hed be kinda old lol
i dont think hed be doing much moving around lol

[DORRI]

just imagine 76 year-old che with white hair and beard...

[bunk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 01:54 PM
Thats true.

Maybe by now, there could have been a Communist Republic of Latin America, stretching from Chile to Mexico, from Ecuador to Cuba. With Che as Presidente.
He wouldn't want to be a president he'd probably go to Africa if he achieved his goals in Latin America

[toastedmonkey]

Id imagine history would be amazingly different and the world completely different

Latin america for almost sure would be different
perhaps africa
those of us in the westernt world probably wouldnt have access to this kind of stuff
or the world couldnt no longer exist... who knows

we should concentrate on how to achive our goals instead or romantacising over what could of been

[MiniOswald]

gosh arent we all a bit optimistic, no one seems to of explored the possiblitiy that he may have failed everywhere and returned to cuba to work internally and would be growing old there, i mean sure he and castro would do all this foreign war condeming and the sort but since the ol' USSR went the money just aint there to fund guerilla wars, castro was barely able to keep cuba going when it collapsed and it immediatly stopped funding to people like tupac amaru and farc

[Ortega]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 05:16 PM
gosh arent we all a bit optimistic, no one seems to of explored the possiblitiy that he may have failed everywhere and returned to cuba to work internally and would be growing old there, i mean sure he and castro would do all this foreign war condeming and the sort but since the ol' USSR went the money just aint there to fund guerilla wars, castro was barely able to keep cuba going when it collapsed and it immediatly stopped funding to people like tupac amaru and farc
Sadly, I agree with MiniOswald on this one.

Cuba might not even be in existence as we know it were Che still alive.

At the time of Che's death, he was 'becoming a threat' to relations with the USSR. For all we know, he could have made trade and good relations impossible, rendering Cuba helpless and without allies during the 60s, 70s, and 80s.

[DORRI]

btw,isn't it gramatically better to change the title to "if che was alive"?

[toastedmonkey]

Minioswald, Oretga
you both make very good, points, it easy to get swept away, and your points highlight just how pointless these threads are.

We really should be concentrating on making things happen now

[che's long lost daughter]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 05:08 AM


he might have stood by the side of oppressed & would have killed the oppressers.,he might have made another world possible


Isn't that what Che exactly did when he was alive?

Never worry, my Comrade, even if Che is physically dead, he is and will always be alive in us. But I hope that keeping him alive does not only mean that we have to sit here and discuss about different things.

[emmissary]

At his present age I think Che would be stil working on the revolution especially throughout Latin America and fighting imperialism throughout the globe. This is a "what if" question that opens a realm of possibilities that one can not explain in a forum. One thing must be said and it's that the revolution will always live on.

[fernando]

Im not sure...many people from this generation who follow the Revolution have been inspired by El Che, if he was alive Im not sure if that would have happened.

What if Che was succesful in Bolivia? Would Bolivia become socialist? How would the US respond? How would the countries lying next to Bolvia respond? How would the USSr have reacted?
It would have been Che leading these countries, and I dont think that Che would let these states become Satalite-states of the USSR.

Or Che might have become more like Castro, just some "anti-american" in Latin America, who is no longer a real threat.

[Subversive Pessimist]

Sorry, but right now I'm pissed off. Personally I get all sick in my stomach because of this "His spirit remains in us", "He's alive" and all that crap. I don't think he wanted some teenagers to praise him, while doing nothing else then sitting infront of their computers. He would want you to do something, not just sit on your ass all day long.




He wouldn't want to be a president he'd probably go to Africa if he achieved his goals in Latin America

In the Bolivian Diary, on the day he turned 40, he said that he would re-evaluate if he was to continue with guerilla warfare. He was just one man for christ sake! The 40 others were just as important!

[bunk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 02:58 PM
He would want you to do something, not just sit on your ass all day long.



True just as it says at the top of this forum

[fernando]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 02:58 PM
Sorry, but right now I'm pissed off. Personally I get all sick in my stomach because of this "His spirit remains in us", "He's alive" and all that crap. I don't think he wanted some teenagers to praise him, while doing nothing else then sitting infront of their computers. He would want you to do something, not just sit on your ass all day long.




He wouldn't want to be a president he'd probably go to Africa if he achieved his goals in Latin America

In the Bolivian Diary, on the day he turned 40, he said that he would re-evaluate if he was to continue with guerilla warfare. He was just one man for christ sake! The 40 others were just as important!
He might not have wanted the praise, but he got it anyway! Che might have seen himself as just a normal man and the same as everybody else, but he isnt, at least not in our hearts. He is the one in our history books, he is the one the CIA was so scared of, not the 40 other men who joined him (well they too, but they were more afraid of Guevara).

Che might not have wanted this, but he has become an inspirational figure to many. If I could I would do something, maybe that is the reason why I want to go to Latin America, visit all these places, kinda in a way like Che (at the time "just" Ernesto) did with Alberto, travelling throughout Latin America.

[Essential Insignificance]

Che might have seen himself as just a normal man and the same as everybody else, but he isnt, at least not in our hearts

Was he the South American version of "Superman". :lol:

Is that how you see him anyway.

[fernando]

Originally posted by Essential [email protected] 19 2004, 05:32 AM

Che might have seen himself as just a normal man and the same as everybody else, but he isnt, at least not in our hearts

Was he the South American version of "Superman". :lol:

Is that how you see him anyway.
To some of us he might be seen as a saint to the catholics.

[Essential Insignificance]

To some of us he might be seen as a saint to the catholics.

I hope not. :lol:

[scrap metal]

WWW.CHE-LIVES.COM
che-lives...how more obvious could it be?

There is no question that Ernesto 'Che' Guevara is still alive. His image is a living, breathing icon of revolution. His books and words are the source of enlightenment to the oppressed masses. His soul and fighting spirit live inside us all.

[Abby Normal]

LOL. I thought 'Che Lives' was metaphorical.

[scrap metal]

It was. And so was my post. ^_^

[La comunista de America]

[QUOTE]I don't think he wanted some teenagers to praise him, while doing nothing else then sitting infront of their computers. He would want you to do something, not just sit on your ass all day long.

This is true but inorder to be succseful in all of this we need an organized MOVMENT!

Viva :che: y viva :hammer:

[Nickelby]

Your right, Che would rather us do something than sit around.

I've been reading some of the things you've been writing and been thinking, theres over 7 thousand members in this forum and I bet each of those has loads of mate with the same beliefs not to mention the loads who read things off this forum as guests. If you people wanted, you could organise anything

[fernando]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2004, 05:45 PM
Your right, Che would rather us do something than sit around.

I've been reading some of the things you've been writing and been thinking, theres over 7 thousand members in this forum and I bet each of those has loads of mate with the same beliefs not to mention the loads who read things off this forum as guests. If you people wanted, you could organise anything
here is the thing...most of my friends dont think or talk about politics or revolution. I mean I know some punkers, but they just want to kick something, not really start a group. Another friend of mine says he wants a revolution, but he'd rather smoke a joint than get on his feet. So Im here, with kind of likely minded spirits, trying to think up something...

[Nickelby]

Good point most of my mates are like that too
I live in portsmouth but if I wanted get anything going wouldn't have the faintest clue where to start

[fernando]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2004, 07:03 PM
Good point most of my mates are like that too
I live in portsmouth but if I wanted get anything going wouldn't have the faintest clue where to start
exactly, I mean nowI know 2 people who would know what Im on about. Well one of them is too much of a conformist, in a way like: "no revolution, the SP (socialist party) are good and bla bla bla" he is like obsessed with that political party, who are socialist, but are not concerned with anythin on a bigger scale than Holland I think.

My other friend is a bit better, but in my mind a bit too much leninist, Im not that against socialism, but I follow it to a certain extend, but then again, maybe I shouldnt complain, he could make a good revolutionairy (if he isnt one already)

[Nickelby]

If there is such a thing as a Cheist or Guevaraist, thats probaly what I am. I mean, I've read stuff on Lenin and others and agree with some of his ideas and beliefs but to me it seems Che had the right idea of what should be going on .

[MiniOswald]

thats true but che was more about the revolution his economic and industrial plans may not have been able to carry a country once it had been taken over, i dont think stablising governments was his forté.

Lenin on the other hand was a skilled politician

[sim22]

che wasnt just ur average joe! come on! ur sitting here, at your computers reading about all this, could u go through all the stuff he did? could u plan and attack on a govenment, could u handle having so many mens lives in ur hands?? he wasnt a normal dude off the street, he had brains, he had determination, he had so much that so many of us dont, this, is why he should be remember, this is why he should be respected, dont say he's just like the 40 other men, he had their lives in his hands! could u handle the pressure? could u hold a cold peice of metal and ends someones life with it? do u have that much passion for wat ur doing? che was such a great man, this is why ppl wear his t-shirts, this is y thers internets sites about him, and not about those other guys!

[bunk]

no, surely it was fidel Castro who made the major strategical and tactical descisions.

[boško buha]

che as so many others was a revolutionary not a pop singer. he said once that it is the cause of his fight, which makes him not fear his death no matter where or when it would take place. the imagine this, what if that stories are not good. they are not good for one single reason- they are NOT real, nonexistent and therefore are just pushing us away and making us forget the basic reason most of us are here. we are communists. what communists do - is what che knew best and why he ended his life in bolivia - we fight.

[Colombia]

Originally posted by boško [email protected] 14 2004, 06:43 PM
che as so many others was a revolutionary not a pop singer. he said once that it is the cause of his fight, which makes him not fear his death no matter where or when it would take place. the imagine this, what if that stories are not good. they are not good for one single reason- they are NOT real, nonexistent and therefore are just pushing us away and making us forget the basic reason most of us are here. we are communists. what communists do - is what che knew best and why he ended his life in bolivia - we fight.
Perhaps you people should read about Simon Bolivar before following the fool known as Ernesto Guevara.

[Guerrilla22]

If Che were alive today, he would head straight to Iraq, or Palestine to help out those living under occupation.

[Comrade Latino]

If Che was alive today there would be no way that he would be physically fit to fight (since he smoked so many cigar every day, also a group of cuban doctors had told him that he could not smoke more than 1 cigar a day, I'm sure yopu have heard the story, it involdes a half meter long cigar) against the imperialist america, but he would be training young revolutionaries all over the wolrd so that they can keep up the fight.

[Romanticar]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2004, 03:58 PM
Perhaps you people should read about Simon Bolivar before following the fool known as Ernesto Guevara.
What the hell are you trying to say!?

[Comrade Latino]

Perhaps you people should read about Simon Bolivar before following the fool known as Ernesto Guevara.
I won't argue that Bolivar was also a great man but don't go off on Che like that.
I have read about Bolivar and he had his flaws like everyone else. So my suggestion to you is that you read more about Bolivar, and also Che, before you make and assumption.

PS: Sorry for my worst English.

[volkan]

As Che was not old when he died, as he was a brilliant man back then, he would have been even more brilliant the decades after his death.

the blood dogs in washington that killed him failed to make che be forgotten, but we don't know what Che would have done today and in that they did succeed.

There will be people saying that Che became famous after his death but everyone that read enough about him know that's not true

[rahul]

i am trying to actvate this thread once again..................................


if this does nt happened............... then??


and i am asking yu comreds something irrelated to this thread...........................
what do this below picture mean?
http://users.rcn.com/leandrok/Media/Animations/Animation.gif



*There's no need to post another picture of Che at death's door. Thank you.

Edited by YKTMX

[Big Boss]

If Che had survived the Bolivian campaign, he would have certainly change the course of history in a much bigger way. Let's face it, Che was an icon backed the when he was alive and people would have followed him. No one around the world never thought that he would die, that is why his hands were cutted off. He is considered a saint in Boliva and a sign of revolution and sacrifice to people around the world. The situation back then in the Third World countries was that of turmoil and civil conflict. The US goverment killed him because they knew that a situation like Vietnam was going to happen and Che was the key of this big revolution. And also, comrade colombia, Che was not a fool. I know that Bolivar is the greatest hero that Latin America has ever seen but he was a man just like Che and he made mistakes like Che made mistakes. The difference is that Che is a martyr and Bolivar isn't. Being a martyr is being inmortal in the hearts of future generations of followers and also being made into an symbol.

[rahul]

if che-guevara was alive.................

i dont think MALTE ud hav got an idea to create www.che-lives.com

and i would not have typed this thread..........and ...........

[bubbЯubbgoeswoo]

If che was alive it would mean his revolution in Bolivia would have been successful or he somehoe got out of it safely.If he succeeded in Bolivia if would've been much easier to put into action his plan for 3 or 4 Vietnams.If he hadn't succeeded but escaped I'm sure he wouldn't have stop trying and eventually would've succeeded.South America and the world would definately be much different.

[Paradox]

In the Bolivian Diary, on the day he turned 40

WHAT THE HELL!?! Che died at age 39.

If Che were alive today, he'd spit on you guys for thinking you could predict what he would have been doing all this time.

"But you know what I think is just pathetic and gay? When niggas speculate what the f*@# Pac would say. You don't know s*#@ about a dead man's perspective."
- Immortal Technique

But yes, he'd probably be fighting or speaking out against the system in some way.
Damn! Now I'm one of you! Shouldn't have responded to this thread. Oh well. :P

[Paradox]

He is considered a saint in Boliva and a sign of revolution and sacrifice to people around the world.

Exactly the type of s*@# that would piss him off. When a guy in Cuba with the same name as him asked Che for his autograph, Che turned his back to the guy and said "I am not a movie star."

Admiring Che for what he stood for, and acknowledging his sacrifices is all good, but worshiping him, say, like a saint, is just plain crazy.

[Big Boss]

I know it is but I was just stating a fact. I don't worship Che and I recomend not to because of his humble personality. I was just saying what was happening and still happens in Bolivia.

[SpeCtrE]

Rahul. I see you love to assume.

Anyhow, it wouldn't matter... Che would be a hero anyway.

[rahul]

YEAH i assume some times......................but never think
" RAHUL IS A KIND OF UTOPIAN OR DREAMER " THIS was one of my first posts on che-lives!

i posted it to know how the co-comreds are going to react this ....................

any was this assumption may help us to do things which che would have done... if he waz alive 2day!

[SpeCtrE]

Man. I'm having hard time decoding what you mean from that crypitical writing of yours. But I do think Che is alive, he is immortal, he lives within us, not in those Tshirts Malte has been selling,. But in those who follow him and believe in his ways and will go to extremes to do what che would have done to the world.

So, I guess if you follow Che, then he is alive and kicking in you.

[rahul]

;)

we know che is phisically nomore between us....................

any way its clear his ideas and himself as an icon are immortal and are still burning with indignation with in us!

[tebvie]

If Che alive...assuming he never was never caught in Bolivia then he would probably have continued on to encourage revolutions in more latin american countries because I honestly think after the US they need it. A lot of governments are jacked up right now and a few aching for change. I can only hope it happens in my life time...probably won't.

[Vallegrande]

I remember reading in a book that Che and the crew came along a village in Bolivia days before their death. They tried to explain to the people that they were there to start a revolution. The book noted that all of them were so emaciated that they looked supernatural to the villagers.

I dont know what Che or any of those soldiers felt before they were chased down, but Che started to see something else. Well at the time they were all starving, who knows what went through their minds, but they all had complete love for each other, whoever stuck with Che till the end.

[*REVOLUCIÓN*]

I think too che would rather see us do something than just sit and speculate, but
honestly what can we do now ? I can´t just step on a plane to Bolivia or anywhere.
Not now, so we must wait for the "opportune moment".
I´d help no one if I ran away now, in no way a qualified revolutionary. But sometime I will be and I´m sure I´ll do something (to history probably insignificant) then..

Patria o muerte ! VENCEREMOS !

[novemba]

I agree, Che is alive in our hearts, he would be ashamed at our idleness.

[tebvie]

I agree with a lot of what you guys have said about how if he were still alive then we would be seeing more action. However I don't believe that he was killed when they said he was. That he's dead and his contribuitions and ideas will live on, is unarguable. The fact that he was killed and that there is proof is also pretty inarguable, I just don't believe it happened when it was claimed ot have happened. Call it ignorance, it's my theory. About the revolution, the world is practically screaming for it, I wish I possesed incredible mind it must take to lead a revolution and people on your own. Latin America, a large part of it needs a revolution, there have been things started, but if things don't change it will only grow.

[rahul]

........Wherever death may surprise us, let it be welcome, provided that this, our battle cry, may have reached some receptive ear, that another hand may be extended to wield our weapons, and that other men be ready to intone our funeral dirge with the staccato singing of the machine guns and new battle cries of war and victory.
i heard the battle cry!...........now i am ready for revolution!

[perdido]

I do not worship che, he is just a man. Instead I worship his ideas.

[rahul]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2005, 07:43 AM
I do not worship che, he is just a man. Instead I worship his ideas.
.........DO you think we worship/admire che because of his phisical personality?

i admire him because of his ideas and the way he looked at revolution!

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Instead of hero-worshipping Che, marxists should follow his example.

[rahul]

yeah!

..........try to a worker in workers!
http://flag.blackened.net/kara/political/che/pictures/che57.jpeg
and be highly prctical!

[Karl Marx's Camel]

..........try to a worker in workers!

What?


and be highly prctical!

Practical is good.

[rahul]

i meant the way he worked with the workers......voulentry work!

[Northern Revolutionary]

I think that I dont care if he still lived (that would be nice though.) Because its his spirit that i love. I wish that there be more people like him.

[rahul]

CHE is in everyone .He comes out when the person is oppressed by other!

[Karl Marx's Camel]

CHE is in everyone

To be strictly scientific. No.

But you have a beautiful point.

[rahul]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2005, 10:18 PM

CHE is in everyone

To be strictly scientific. No.

But you have a beautiful point.
i meant "che" as a spirit which will stay in everyone, scientificly- We will never let someone grab "our" things(i dont mean materials) from us, We will start expressing our feeling of oppression in one way or the other!

for example indians call ths spirit as Bhagat Singh,others call it malcolmX,some others call this spirit as che guevara!